Thinking about leaving Subaru and going Nissan

[elemento1991]

I have had a stage 2 WRX for a while now, it's a great all around car and it does nice in the harsh winters around here (PA) but everyone and their brother is getting Subarus and I am getting sick of hearing everyone go on and on about how they're the greatest cars ever made and how fast they are.

I've wanted a 240 since I was about 12-13 years old and I have recently gotten my career path set and am going to have some money to spend. Im a big fan of the Kouki and Strawberry Face 240s and am thinking about tackling one as a project. I'm shooting for 400whp, ive read up on the engines a good bit and was wondering what your guys thoughts are on the engine choice to get me there?

The RB25 engine is probably a good choice, and I would really love a 2JZ swap. I'm sure some of you hardcore nissan fans don't like that idea, but the 2JZ is a great motor from what i've read and seen, and it would leave me with room for expansion.

With either engine I should not need to get into internals right? Turbo, injectors, fuel supply, IC, intake, exhaust, and engine management should get me there... I think. Are there any guys out there who have gotten 400whp in their 240? and how have you done it? It would be nice to smoke all the kids around here who think their 250hp cars are the fastest shit to hit the streets.

[raz0rbladez909]

I have had a stage 2 WRX for a while now, it's a great all around car and it does nice in the harsh winters around here (PA) but everyone and their brother is getting Subarus and I am getting sick of hearing everyone go on and on about how they're the greatest cars ever made and how fast they are.

I've wanted a 240 since I was about 12-13 years old and I have recently gotten my career path set and am going to have some money to spend. Im a big fan of the Kouki and Cherry Eye 240s and am thinking about tackling one as a project. I'm shooting for 400whp, ive read up on the engines a good bit and was wondering what your guys thoughts are on the engine choice to get me there?

The RB25 engine is probably a good choice, and I would really love a 2JZ swap. I'm sure some of you hardcore nissan fans don't like that idea, but the 2JZ is a great motor from what i've read and seen, and it would leave me with room for expansion.

With either engine I should not need to get into internals right? Turbo, injectors, fuel supply, IC, intake, exhaust, and engine management should get me there... I think. Are there any guys out there who have gotten 400whp in their 240? and how have you done it? It would be nice to smoke all the kids around here who think their 250hp cars are the fastest shit to hit the streets.

Honestly, if you think alot of people are getting into wrx's you really want to avoid a 240sx. Alot of your questions are easily answered by searching on here and from you talking about smoking kids on the streets when you're a kid yourself just seems hypocritical at best. Do some research, learn alot, make a wise purchase, and don't do stupid shit on the streets.

[g00se]

get a awd or 4x4 dd first.. rwd sucks in the snow ( or i suck in the snow with rwd )

[elemento1991]

Honestly, if you think alot of people are getting into wrx's you really want to avoid a 240sx. Alot of your questions are easily answered by searching on here and from you talking about smoking kids on the streets when you're a kid yourself just seems hypocritical at best. Do some research, learn alot, make a wise purchase, and don't do stupid shit on the streets.

Well I know 240's are everywhere but they're not big here in PA. Ive seen about 3 in the Pittsburgh area in the past 6 months, and i've seen about 8 WRX/STi's today alone. I don't street race too often, everybody buys fast cars to go fast and you can't tell me you don't do a quick pull here and there when your with your friends. I have researched but I was looking for some people who have actually had experience with the engines. I've read of some RB's blowing ringlands around 400whp after not much time, I haven't heard much of the 2JZ having problems with that output. It's going to be a project anyways....


get a awd or 4x4 dd first.. rwd sucks in the snow ( or i suck in the snow with rwd )

No it sucks lol, i've done it before it's not easy. We have a beater Subaru in the family I could use. I will probably end up keeping my WRX and working on this over the next year or so anyways.

[nissanfreak317]

You say that you are sick of Subarus but your profile says that your car is totaled. Perhaps your Subaru got sick of you?

Lol. Anyways, I've said this before but I'll say it again: Your setup all depends on what YOU are planning to do with your car and how much money you have to spend. We can't make up your mind for you.

That being said, here's my .02, you are going to start a big debate with your 400 mark because it is within attainable grasp of the SR on mostly stock internals. I prefer the SR over the RB just because they are cheaper to buy and modify, easier to find, and are still tons of fun. I'm sure that a well built RB does great but for now, I'm sticking with the SR.

[Coolwhip]

Do what you like and want... You'll be happier that way

[Edwin562]

if you really want a 240, go get it... nobody is gonna stop you.... dont let others choose what you drive... drive what YOU WANA DRIVE!!!!

best of luck...

[ej2civic]

best bang for your buck to make 400whp is a rb25 with a decent turbo..I did a 2jz swap in to my car over the winter, and dont get me wrong, I love it. but for the money an rb with like a 35r or similar is an AWESOME setup. (one of my buddies has it and it just works). A 2j swap is expensive, lots of custom stuff, and everything for a toyota seems to be harder to find and more expensive. With an RB becoming more common there is much for information out there about the swap.

Don't rule out KA-T. I had just shy of 400whp on a very streetable KA-T

[elemento1991]

You say that you are sick of Subarus but your profile says that your car is totaled. Perhaps your Subaru got sick of you?

Lol. Anyways, I've said this before but I'll say it again: Your setup all depends on what YOU are planning to do with your car and how much money you have to spend. We can't make up your mind for you.

That being said, here's my .02, you are going to start a big debate with your 400 mark because it is within attainable grasp of the SR on mostly stock internals. I prefer the SR over the RB just because they are cheaper to buy and modify, easier to find, and are still tons of fun. I'm sure that a well built RB does great but for now, I'm sticking with the SR.

That was my old Nissan Maxima that I crushed a deer with haha, I haven't been on this forum for like a year. My WRX is still in nice condition.

[ZilviaKid]

240 scene need any more stupid idiots

[junn]

Just trade me for my ls1 powered s13
Already 400+ hp

[elemento1991]

240 scene need any more stupid idiots

Idk why everyone on these forums is such assholes sometimes. Maybe the 240 scene doesn't need people like you in it's community. I'm just trying to make a decision and keeping my eyes out for a 2nd gen to come along and asking some basic questions, but it's gonna come down to me figuring it out myself and working with the tuner anyways.

[enkei2k]

Im a big fan of the Kouki and Cherry Eye 240s

serious question, what's a Cherry Eye 240? Never heard of this term before. Google was no help, but damn Cherry Eye looks FREAKY!

[elemento1991]

serious question, what's a Cherry Eye 240? Never heard of this term before. Google was no help, but damn Cherry Eye looks FREAKY!

It's actually strawberry face, me and my buddies call them cherry eye kus my one buddy called it that and we all started calling it that as a joke, now its just become habit haha my bad. and good god that is freaky!

[94spitfire91]

serious question, what's a Cherry Eye 240?
I am also curious haha a hadnt heard strawberry face either but maybe im just ignorant.

[deolio]

why would you want to leave the Subaru scene? lesbians all over the place. that's hot.

[fliprayzin240sx]

Thats a big negative Ghost-Rider, the bandwagon is full. Find something else.

But in all honesty, if you have have the extra coin and you're not planning drifting or tracking the car (which you didnt say so I'm assuming you won't), why not get something thats better right off the bat. For as much as a decent Kouki S14 will run you, specially in the northeast, you might as well pick up a Z33 or a G35 coupe.

Fuck, you want something with balls, get a GTO or a G8 just to be different.

[zooopreme]

Idk why everyone on these forums is such assholes sometimes. Maybe the 240 scene doesn't need people like you in it's community. I'm just trying to make a decision and keeping my eyes out for a 2nd gen to come along and asking some basic questions

You've been here for a couple of months, you should know by now that this is Zilvia. Not many people here are nice and sympathetic.

Trading in a better car for a potential money pit sounds like a stupid plan don't you think. Keep a DD handy because dailying a 240 can get ugly with your wallet.

And all the answers you seek are a search away. And if you can't find a thread, we have the tech forum or the small question thread. Utilize the search and you won't have to complain about the assholes attacking you for your stupidity and lack of research.

[nathanong87]

funny i'm thinking about doing the exact opposite...trade?

[bluuuurr]

240 scene need any more stupid idiots


Way to prove a point.

[dudermagee]

wtf is a stage 2 wrx

[enkei2k]

I am also curious haha a hadnt heard strawberry face either but maybe im just ignorant.

I know strawberry is S15 = ichigo = strawberry.

but cherry? I've never heard of that. that's a good joke...maybe i can call my shit a watermelon hahah

[ixfxi]

I've wanted a 240 since I was about 12-13 years old and

dont buy a 240

you're 19 now.

you'll soon be 29 if and when your project gets completed (if ever)

thanks
mike


240 scene need any more stupid idiots

ps: shut the fuck up.

[OkiDori17]

building a 240 with that much power is going to cost you a whole lot more than you think
everyone always asks about the turbo, injectors, etc. just they dont think about the other shit like the clutch and tranny and diff
you might want to do a little research on stuff besides the motor if youre planning on it being your DD
but thats just my .02

[KOME]

You're 19 and you got your career path settled? What do you do?

I was gonna suggest that if you have the money just fully build a KA to 400WHP.

[dudermagee]

You're 19 and you got your career path settled? What do you do?

I was gonna suggest that if you have the money just fully build a KA to 400WHP.

With a built up wrx? I imagine his career is whatever his parents tell him to do.

[Nicelyphe]

Coming from the PA Area i do agree on the whole Subaru hype shit going around here..Also not my cup of tea, I've owned 3 Nissans since driving, 1 Z32 and 2 240's, Z32 got stolen due to our sad society. One of those 240's I jumped into purchasing one out of state and ended up selling it cause it was completely rusted out and the KA ended up blowing while going up a hill on route 145 lmao. But you learn as you go, and im now happier with my 2nd 240. I say drive what you wanna drive and do what you want to it, and enjoy it. Just watch out what you buy.

[elemento1991]

wtf is a stage 2 wrx

Uppipe, Turboback, EWG, BCS, and tune. It made 200whp and 225tq on a mustang dyno. It's not bad but the reliable HP limit on the 2.0L would be about 250whp on that dyno before i'd have to get into it and start upgrading internals.

You're 19 and you got your career path settled? What do you do?

I was gonna suggest that if you have the money just fully build a KA to 400WHP.

I'm in an electrician apprenticeship, I'm working union and am getting a pretty nice raise every six months for the next 5 years so i've got a pretty nice path ahead of me, I really lucked out.

building a 240 with that much power is going to cost you a whole lot more than you think
everyone always asks about the turbo, injectors, etc. just they dont think about the other shit like the clutch and tranny and diff
you might want to do a little research on stuff besides the motor if youre planning on it being your DD
but thats just my .02

I know it won't be cheap, and I'm not getting rid of my Subaru I need an AWD car for the winter. This car wouldn't be on the road for a while, it will be a project. I know there are always little things along the way that you don't plan for that you end up needing. The WRX tranny won't hold past 250hp, so I will be in the same boat if I continue to build my car. The gearset you need to continue going with that is 4k alone, and STi transmissions run around 5k.

[blueshark123]

If you want a complete built 240 i may know one for sale

[Hoffman5982]

240's are butt fuck cheap. Buy one and build on the side and daily the WRX in the mean time. When it's finished, decide if you want to sell the WRX and daily the 240, or keep both

[elemento1991]

240's are butt fuck cheap. Buy one and build on the side and daily the WRX in the mean time. When it's finished, decide if you want to sell the WRX and daily the 240, or keep both

That's what I am planning on doing. And bullshark I appreciate the offer but I would like to complete the project myself, that way I can put all the parts I want into my build. Plus to me I just tend to enjoy a car alot more if it's what it is because I did all the work myself.

[Mishkin_707]

i say get a 240, throw in a LS2, power is what ya want, sounds mean and if something goes wrong, the parts are available and in stock everywhere, i know i know, im don't have a nissan motor in my 240, to all you hardcore nissan guys im the devil, but hey i had the means and you don't get over it.

[elemento1991]

i say get a 240, throw in a LS2, power is what ya want, sounds mean and if something goes wrong, the parts are available and in stock everywhere, i know i know, im don't have a nissan motor in my 240, to all you hardcore nissan guys im the devil, but hey i had the means and you don't get over it.

It's tempting, i've definitely thought about it, but now that i've went the forced induction route I can't see myself going back for a while. LS1 or LS2 does sound amazing though.

[Perfect Balance]

You've had like 2 offers so far in this thread for trades for really nice cars. (at least one of them)

Why are you ignoring them if you want a 240 so bad?

[elemento1991]

You've had like 2 offers so far in this thread for trades for really nice cars. (at least one of them)

Why are you ignoring them if you want a 240 so bad?

If you read back a couple of posts, I said I wanted to take on a project and build my own machine with the parts I want. I want the car to be mine so I can put my own touch on things, I tend to appreciate it alot more whenever i've done the work myself. I also think its alot easier to narrow things down and find the source of a problem whenever it was your own build. I'm not making moves just yet, only planning and keeping my eyes peeled for the right rolling chassis or blown engine 240.

[bladetech8]

Yeah building a 240 from the ground up is a much more rewarding and entertaining process than buying one already modified. I've been working on mine for 1.5 years now (started bone stock & auto) and its really awesome to see how far I've progressed with it. I've wrenched countless hours on it, put $4,000+ in it and have brought it slowly where it is now and I'm quite pleased with the results.. It's such a fun car to drive, you will not regret getting one.

Personally I wouldn't put a 2jZ or RB in the 240.. You'll destroy the balance of the car and make it handle like a pig. I've ridden shotgun in a 2jZ swapped S13 in the mountains of So-Cal and it just didn't feel nimble and tossable into the corners.. No drift setup, it was mostly grip stuff.. Keep the KA and turbo that, or get an SR, or an LS-series motor..

AWD is for pansies anyways. :D Letting the car make up for the driver's lack of skill. tisk-tisk.. :)

[thefro526]

This thread is good entertainment.

Here's my advice... (preface) I'm 20, bought an S13 as my first car at 16. Beat the living crap out of it. Bought an E46 BMW at 18, greatest decision I ever made. Started building a 1JZ 240 at ~19. Worst decision I ever made.

Don't buy a 240 to 'build' unless you've got a half way decent DD. I love waking up in the morning knowing that I'm getting into a car that's essentially stock and will start every time, the AC will work, the radio will work, and women won't complain about how loud it is. Nah mean?

[OBEEWON]

You are just in time. There is a wave of people moving to Z's and other cars.

[Sugoi_Style]

elemento, i bought a 2000 impreza coupe back in 02 and dropped in a jdm sti version 5 engine with a RA transmission. I also own a S14. Keep the wrx and build up a S13 as they are more affordable, but daily the wrx. If you're really wanting rear wheel drive, then convert the wrx to rear wheel and have fun. Though this convo maybe contraversial, build the car to how you like it. Japan has been using this mindset for years and that's why the world follows their sometimes out-there creativity.

[bb4_96]

the problem is you bought a badwagoner subaru. wrx say to me: I dont have the passion or bank for an STI but i still want blowoff valve woosh. trade your wrx for pre '02 RS or keep your wrx and buy a pre '02 RS shell and swap in an STI/spec motor. That way your car will be different and badass without stepping into unfamiliar territory. if you think wrx's are played out just wait till you get a 240.

[titopkz505]

You say that you are sick of Subarus but your profile says that your car is totaled. Perhaps your Subaru got sick of you?

literally made me lol

[simmode1]

Uppipe, Turboback, EWG, BCS, and tune. It made 200whp and 225tq on a mustang dyno. It's not bad but the reliable HP limit on the 2.0L would be about 250whp on that dyno before i'd have to get into it and start upgrading internals.

The WRX tranny won't hold past 250hp, so I will be in the same boat if I continue to build my car. The gearset you need to continue going with that is 4k alone, and STi transmissions run around 5k.
Jesus... I never knew that gen WRX was so pansy. Now I know to never consider buying one... Dayum...

[g00se]

O Wait keep the wrx and be patient to build yourself a Factory Five 818 and buy the 240sx as a beater, if you still have the wrx drivetrain. Ive been dreaming of one.

linky http://www.factoryfive.com/whatsnew/update/nextcar/818intro.html

[nissanfreak317]

Don't let folks discourage you too much. 240s are fun cars and if you want one real bad, then go for it. Just don't expect to DD a project 240. I have two s13s and DD my Jeep.

[bradyd15]

Put a rb26dett in a vw rabbit. Thats the most logical decision.

[mkezzo16]

For a project..best route..buy a shell in good condition, with or without mods and go from there. get quality parts and dont take short cuts it'll be reliable

[nighthawk48]

Put a rb26dett in a vw rabbit. Thats the most logical decision.


lol ^^^

I DD my project, 13k and counting. 240s boosted make daily commuting fun haha. <3 RWD

[OkiDori17]

KA-T will be the cheapest route, but if you want to do it baller status go SR
its lighter and parts are easier to find

and i dont think 250 on the WRX tranny is accurate, ive got plenty of friends pushing 300-500 on stock trannys no problem

[curbhuggerrps13]

ive had 292 on a stock tranny from my wrx. just needs finesse when driving. i say keep the wrx and just pick up a 240sx. here is a pic of mine to make you keep it
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a126/dxboost/IMG_0848.jpg
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a126/dxboost/IMG_0851.jpg

[OkiDori17]

yeah my buddy swapped an EJ25 into his scoob and has been pushing almost 400 on his stock tranny for awhile now
once we get back from the sandbox hes planning on going even bigger

curbhuggerrps13...your 13 looks nice as hell =]

[Chaluska]

AWD > 240

msglngth

[OkiDori17]

your in the wrong forum to be posting stuff like that haha

RWD > AWD all day =]

[curbhuggerrps13]

i admit i love the nimbleness of the 240sx compared to the wrx or mustang but as far as driving to la, san diego, or the desert .....i can never find myself in the 240sx to make those trip. you will regret the practicality of the sedan vs coupe. save some coin and get a second car. insurance is not too bad once you have extra cars on there. there are people out there who can only dream about having a decent car like that at such a young age

[OkiDori17]

see ive worked on my motor the whole time, ill be pushing over 500 on my sr when i get back but i still have the rattle can flat black paint job haha
i like the idea of a sleeper car, i prefer performance over looks
but props to you for having a sexy ass 240

what kit is that if you dont mind me asking?

[curbhuggerrps13]

front i have no idea...i called my friend jhconcepts and told him i needed a bumper asap from crashing during a stupid lack of talent under steer at a time attack. he pulled it from his warehouse and meet me at home with it. its like a drft stream hybrid cheap but good fitting bumper.

[OkiDori17]

it looks nice
im thinking of going with the URAS 4 kit, everything else just looks too gawdy to me
i like the aggressive look

[DenkiMan!]

wait, if u wanted a 240 since u were 12-13, why did u get a subaru in the first place again?

i might have missed that

[TrueFreshness]

why are most of you saying not to buy a 240 to build unless you have something else to DD? Im getting ready to buy a 95 s14 and its gonna be my project car and my DD. Plan on having a 2jz-gte by the end of next year.

[OkiDori17]

cause its smarter to have a good DD while your building a project car since they tend to break down and mess up quite often

[curbhuggerrps13]

why are most of you saying not to buy a 240 to build unless you have something else to DD? Im getting ready to buy a 95 s14 and its gonna be my project car and my DD. Plan on having a 2jz-gte by the end of next year.

Well some if us did not have mom and dads car to use when we built our cars

[OkiDori17]

i wish i was a trust fund baby

[Def]

Don't listen to all these jackoffs. I remember getting the "you're jumping on the bandwagon" flak when I finally decided to get an S13 in '04 to build as a track car. Most of the kids that were talking shit (and the ones in this thread that are) are still sitting around circle jerking in a Wal-Mart parking lot with their rusted out POS.

In all seriousness, I think you should drive an S chassis before buying one. You're only 19, so you probably don't have a ton of experience with actually driving cars that are as old or older than you on a daily basis. They aren't near as nice as a "pretty new" WRX. Then again, you're 19, so you're much more willing to put up with a really modded/uncomfortable/loud car on a daily basis than I would be.

Give one a test drive and see how it is. As for the engine, I'd definitely go RB25 since it seems like you like to drag race. It's pretty easy to drop in, and they sound great. A 2JZ swap is probably over your head from the sounds of it(just being realistic). Just whatever you do, don't get an S chassis and have it be some clapped out POS that you keep adding cheap shit to. At least try to make it a semi-decent put together car.

[ixfxi]

cause its smarter to have a good DD while your building a project car since they tend to break down and mess up quite often

because people dont build them right, and when you do..... years pass by like months.


Just whatever you do, don't get an S chassis and have it be some clapped out POS that you keep adding cheap shit to. At least try to make it a semi-decent put together car.

allow me to re-hash.........................

by the time you sit down to LEARN the car, acquire the parts, find good vendors, get hosed by shady vendors........ 10 years will pass and your "project car" will still not be done.

just warning you. i've known SO many 240 owners who hop-in and hop-out of the scene because of the sheer amount of work these cars require to become respectable builds. if you cut corners, you end up with a piece of shit car that is hindered and you'll have to tell people "fuckit, its a track car bro" in order to save face

as a 240 owner since the late nineties, allow me to be the first to say that whatever you attempt to do will take a lot of time and money, and i guarantee you that it will be more than you'll ever imagine. if you doubt me, just talk to the rest of the old-schoolers who, like me, have a project that is still not complete because of: ____________ (insert excuse here)

[doomviillain]

if you doubt me, just talk to the rest of the old-schoolers who, like me, have a project that is still not complete because of: still trying to calculate the right arithmetical formula of the equation to get this friggin flux capacitor to work!

did I guess it right?

[Def]

allow me to re-hash.........................

by the time you sit down to LEARN the car, acquire the parts, find good vendors, get hosed by shady vendors........ 10 years will pass and your "project car" will still not be done.

just warning you. i've known SO many 240 owners who hop-in and hop-out of the scene because of the sheer amount of work these cars require to become respectable builds. if you cut corners, you end up with a piece of shit car that is hindered and you'll have to tell people "fuckit, its a track car bro" in order to save face

as a 240 owner since the late nineties, allow me to be the first to say that whatever you attempt to do will take a lot of time and money, and i guarantee you that it will be more than you'll ever imagine. if you doubt me, just talk to the rest of the old-schoolers who, like me, have a project that is still not complete because of: ____________ (insert excuse here)

My car is a track car, and it sucks on the street, but it's a demon out there on track for its current power (faster than all NASA TTA C5 Z06s in the region with a lower power to weight ratio currently). Not everybody wants a nice street car that's also fast, and honestly, if that's what you want, I'd say an S chassis is not the best base to start with.

If you want a pretty inexpensive chassis that's a solid base to go fast - the S chassis is great for that.

Something like a BMW E36 M3 is a much better "fast street car" IMO.

[mkezzo16]

It depends on you..i see a few people sayiing years will pass by..if u have the funds it wont..if u read, use the search button figure out what your goal is with the car ..you just want a nice street machine..street/track car..etc you can get it done fairly quickly...have some patience cuz u can find steals on parts occasionally

[strictly_JDM]

i LOVED my 2005 WRX Wagon...it was also stage 2. i did EVERYTHING in that thing...dd track auto cross road trips....

i say dont sell the thing...save up and buy your nissan...

miss my wagon everyday..

[OkiDori17]

what do you ultimately want to get out of your 240?

[elemento1991]

what do you ultimately want to get out of your 240?

I haven't been on here for a minute but what I want out of my 240 is pretty much a weekend go fast car. I would like the car to be able to corner, but I am looking for some raw horsepower as well. I am not selling my WRX, it is a great all around car, winters, field parties, road trips, corners.... it does it all. However if I want to continue with the WRX I have to take some big steps and I would not have a car to drive in the process. I think I would rather have a bad ass 240 than scoobs personally. I saw 6 today....

Also SOME of the WRX transmissions in them will hold past 250hp, but they are made of glass. Some people break them at stock HP, some people run them at 400hp. It's all in how you drive but they will break eventually. Especially in the 1st and 2nd gens, The STi trans is another story. I'm not here to argue about Suby transmissions and capabilities though.

I've decided to start saving some cash and keeping my eyes peeled for the right 240. It will take me quite a while but i've been wanting to take on a project for a while now. Comfort and loudness doesn't matter to me. I have a resonated 3 inch straight pipe on my suby and I like rigid rides, it makes me confident in my car. I'm only shooting for performance with this car, my daily will be my car for long commutes.

[OkiDori17]

if your looking for horsepower and to be able to take corners id go with an SR, they have decent power and wont throw off your front rear weight balance like a RB would
but if you dont have money for a swap id just turbo the KA that come in it, ive seen some NASTY KA-Ts haha

yeah im not all big in the subi world, i just know them cause thats what all my friends drive
im an FR guy =]
FR > AWD

[Corbic]

Keep the Subaru. Its new, its safe and you've hopefully had your parents pay it off.

A 240sx will be a money pit. Your 19, you fit in with other Subaru owners.

Also, saying "I've wanted a 240SX since I was 12... and I'm now 19" is like saying "I've totally wanted a 240SX since they where super cool and everyone else has wanted one".

If you want a JDM YO Drifto RWD Cool car, buy a 350Z or G35. Both put down 245whp (your goal of 250hp) and both are going to be late model, solid cars with modern safety and reliability.

Coils, Wheels, Exhaust, Lip, Done. Go to College, learn a profession, last thing we need is more Union boys.

[OkiDori17]

350s have a good weight ratio too
pretty easy to dorifto

[elemento1991]

Go to College, learn a profession, last thing we need is more Union boys.

I have a totally different view. When you go to college you learn a bunch of numbers and theories, shit you don't actually use. I went to college for electrical engineering for a semester it wasn't really my cup of tea. Then you come out with around $200,000 worth of debt and half the time you can't find a job in the field you were trained in.

Now at this apprenticeship I will have made $200,000 by the time I get out, received an associates degree, I get paid to go to class, along with getting my classes paid for, and I come out with a starting salary of $32.91 + $3.79 vacation pay and 3.51 workers comp, along with full benefits and guaranteed job placement. I'm sorry but I would just be dumb to pass up that opportunity lol.

[Corbic]

I have a totally different view. When you go to college you learn a bunch of numbers and theories, shit you don't actually use. I went to college for electrical engineering for a semester it wasn't really my cup of tea. Then you come out with around $200,000 worth of debt and half the time you can't find a job in the field you were trained in.

Now at this apprenticeship I will have made $200,000 by the time I get out, received an associates degree, I get paid to go to class, along with getting my classes paid for, and I come out with a starting salary of $32.91 + whatever raises are implemented and guaranteed job placement. I'm sorry but I would just be dumb to pass up that opportunity lol.

Or you get laid off and sit on unemployment for 2 years...

College is a ticket punch, nothing more. It cost me $35,000 to go to school, not $200,000. I paid most of it while working in school.

MBA is the new Bachelors, Bachelors is the new High School Diploma .

Associates is the new GED.

[bb4_96]

Holy shit! Sorry for getting off topic but what are these schools that cost 200k i keep hearing about?

[Tantwoforty]

id say get a shell, keep the subie build the shell. drive them both like a boss.

[g00se]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppr1DStH2xU

gf8:drool: keep the wrx a s13/s14 will never sound the same (assuming it has full compression on all cylinders)

[Broadfield]

I'm a pretty good example of your predicament. In 2002 I purchased a brand new WRX. I modified it moderately: Prodrive wheels(TE's), Cusco coilovers and bracing, AVO full exhaust, AVO intercooler, Vishnu Uni-chip, Greddy front lip, sideskirts and rear lip. Then about 6 months later I found out they would be bringing the STi over very early in 2003 as a 2004 model. I rushed in and put a deposit down. STi's were very hard to get a hold of early on... my dealership couldn't get one in on the first batch. It finally came in and I picked it up on July 5th... I'll never forget the day. Modified it much more than the WRX, it was fairly famous among the Subaru forums. Problem was 5 of my friends also ended up getting STi's because they liked mine so much. So it was time for something different... an S13 it is. Barely a single damn person in my city owned one. A lot members on here keep saying how played they are, but those people don't live where I do or where you do. I loved my STi, it was fucking bad-ass. But I don't regret for a second selling it to build an S13. Now grant it, my S13 is just as solid as my STi was. But I have put a lot of time and money into it to get it to that point.

The way I see it, there are two ways to build a 240:

1) Buy a completely stock ultra mint one... I mean MINT. That way as you mod it you always have a nice, presentable car to drive. If you decided to do an SR swap first, then you still have nice interior and paint to compliment the motor swap you did. That way you are not driving a rust bucket 240 with an SR swap.

2) Buy a rust free one and just make a one time build out of it where you do everything you want to it over a period of time... paint, engine, interior, suspension etc.

I choose option 1. I am always modifying my S13, but I always have a perfectly presentable car before and after I start my yearly modifications. I don't think I could be caught dead in a shitty 240 that is a work in progress.

[s15specR]

Your braincells must be flourishing now, enjoy the nissan.