What Happened?? Because Driftcar...Somewhere along the way we missed the point...

[OBEEWON]

Discussion:

Drifting is getting more popular and that makes me happy. But it is also getting way to serious and losing what made it so cool, the style...and that makes me sad.

Somewhere along the way we forgot that above all things...cars are supposed to look cool. (No matter what you do with them)

The reason for this is...

1. If by chance you lose, you look cool doing so.
2. Women will bear children for you.
3. If someone missed the live event, the photo's of the event wont be gay.
4. I said so.
5. Your wife should handle well and have a good personality, but if she looks like regurgitated cole-slaw you would never procreate.

No care how fast it is or how awesome the yaw moment, or akerman of this vehicle. no one wants to watch it do anything but have a caravan dropped on it or maybe explode.
http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/3793/keepdrifting.png

This goes out to beautiful slidy cars:
http://motoiq.smugmug.com/MotoIQ/Tech/The-Ultimate-Guide-To/mad-mike/1026841469_rWotQ-L.jpg
http://www.tech9tyres.com.au/images/wheels/Super_ADVAN_Racing_Silvia_9273.jpg
http://cache.pakwheels.com/forums/2010/attachments/Cool---Classic-Cars---Latest/199227-2004-Mazda-RX-8---Bad-Bull-Drifter-2004-mazda-rx8-passenger-side-front-view.jpg
http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Mike%20Garrett/1November/Mad%20Mike%20Blog/madmike1.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-C4HB2F_vF9c/Ta7oclSbzxI/AAAAAAAAWjg/cN6DEBe1phU/s1600/Rextreme_Mike_2009_01.jpg
http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Mike%20Garrett/Top10%20Drift%20Cars/kazama1.jpg
http://dasis300.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/1z1fif9.jpg
http://image.turbomagazine.com/f/27500926/turp_0507_03_o+d1_grand_prix_usa+apexi_rx7.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/evinsj/4550570340/sizes/l/in/photostream/
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4063/4452268409_2c395eca80_o.jpg
http://whoisfelix.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/image00116.jpg
http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Rod09/random%20snap/Nori%20Yaro.jpg
http://www.serialnine.com/sites/serialnine.com/files/imagecache/Blog_Image/4614014313_5b40706d42_o_1.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/evinsj/4550570340/sizes/l/in/photostream/
http://www.motormavens.com/emAlbum/albums/Yoshi%20Shindo/Events/PGP%20Graduation%20Bash/_fullsize/Kevin_Petersen_Serial_Nine_Toyota_Cressida_404.jpg
http://www.motormavens.com/emAlbum/albums/Yoshi%20Shindo/Center%20Stage/Serial%20Nine%20Cressidas/_fullsize/627.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4085/5220291216_cc25742bc1_b.jpg
http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l85b4fkUwn1qarrb2o1_500.jpg

[wh0aitznic0]

Subscribed for the truth.

Couldn't have said it any better.

[c72c]

I've had the same discussion with a few others locally. I get laughed at for wanting our track car to look good. Even if we end up smashing it, you can bet I'd still be out there fixing it so it won't look that bad... others just see a track car as a beater.
To each their own.

[Driftius_Maximus]

I agree. Let's keep drifting fun AND sexy!

[OBEEWON]

Is it too late?

Most of the OG dudes are gone. I'm about done myself. The D1 split is proof $#!t just got way to real.

[c72c]

Is it too late?

Most of the OG dudes are gone. I'm about done myself. The D1 split is proof $#!t just got way to real.

Too late?
Think of it this way, the less other people are doing it, the more track time for you.;)

[kOOpA]

A large portion of drifting has gone from "Look what I can do with this cool looking car!" to "Look how much better I am than you, nevermind what my car looks like, 100% of my focus is performance".

You only have so much money, if you want to be Pokemon master, you probably just won't have time/money to make your car look cool, it'll be spent elsewhere.

Nothing wrong with either mindset, really, I think the two groups of people should just be more accepting of the other. I hate the idea of being looked down on because I don't care about doing competitions. To me, drifting is just skateboarding with a car, it's just doing cool shit with an object. In skateboarding, you NEVER see competitive dudes talking shit on street dudes; if anything, it's the other way around. I think in time, it will be the same way with drifting. Right now, there's just not a lot of room for those who just do it for the sake of having a cool looking car doing cool things. But we do need these more serious guys to pave the way to getting new venues. So it all works out in the end.

Just do your thing, disregard ugly cars, hahaha.

[Marcus]

I believe in this 100%. Every event I wash and wax my car before drifting it into the dirt. I only desire to drift in a super low car.

Btw, mad mikes fd was the most exciting drift car. I think was in 05 or 06 at irwindale, his car was ear drum ripping louuddd.

[Flicktitty]

Do you guy's remember when people asked what you had/what you were into and you said 240sx, and they said ughhh what's that? or laughed cause it wasn't a Honda/Acura. now look at the "scene" all those people have these cars now and are the fanboys ruining these cars.

my .02 but cool pics.

[ManoNegra]

Agree with most of what OB is saying
I don't practice it but I like drifting, or the idea of it
and I like clean cars
but don't necessarily care for fake parts, bell bottom kits, sparkle paint, or silly all over vinyl

what most of you consider a cool car
just looks cheap and gaudy to me
just my opinion

[illvialuver]

You know, this brings me to another point.
When someone asks me what kinda car I drive and I tell them a 96 240sx, I almost feel embarassed, because no matter how much I love my car and will never seperate with it, I just hate the situation, because I know they think that my car is primered, has crappy wheels and sounds like shit, and has all kindsa cheap and crapy parts on it. It is even worse, if I am talking to another automotive enthusiast like the guys at the "cars and coffee" meet in Irvine, because they drive functional and baller ass cars, and I feel like people look down on drifters because of the guys that have zipties on everything, and leave them sticking out so you can see them, and they are bright neon colors. Sorry if this sounds like a rant, but it gets to me. Also, because of this alot of people think drifting is a joke, and that leads me to their follow up question, so you drift it? If most peopled cared about their car looking nicer, even if it was stock body, I think other people would respect it more. On another note, I don't give a damn, because I will love it and my car regardless of what other people thinking.

[94spitfire91]

In America it seems like rules and guidelines are restricting a lot of people from having fun at a course one day. For me i would love to drift at a track for fun but i have been denied because my car does not have a proper roll cage that meets their standards so basically Im not happy with the over sensitive rules i have run into. I would love to see a more laid back car culture that is not too strict

[Mikey McFly]

Is it too late?

Most of the OG dudes are gone. I'm about done myself. The D1 split is proof $#!t just got way to FAKE.
Fixed.

I hate how you can see car sponsored by all of these knock off brand and all that lame ish.
No one tunes their cars up as much as they did back in the day.
I liked the whole drifting scene where it used to be the shops in Japan battling it out to see who had the best tuned car and the most ballsy driver.
Its what I imagine jousting would have been like. Towns with big, bad ass, brolic horses with ballsy iron cladded guys charging at each other.
HKS vs. Greddy
Blitz vs. Apexi
Signal Auto vs. Top Secret

Those were some fun, sexy, exciting times.
All the cars were flashy.
Drivers pushed it for the fans and to rep their company.

My favorite of all the drift cars no matter what anyone thinks.
It was just one car, tuned for three different things. Drag, Circuit, and Drift.
It was sexy and it put out. :yum:


http://kristopher.derentz.com/gallery/d/6349-1/gallery_articles_Signal+R34+GTR_001.jpg

[Dustxking]

+10000 I think about this everyday.
Oh and i love how alot of those cars are right here in the NW!

[ILoveMyRHS13]

I was really hoping this thread would make it's way here from TST.

Definitely agree with you, OB. It's getting pathetic. :/

[TeamFRAT]

I think my biggest pet peeve is kind of what flicktitty was getting at. People IMMEDIATLY assume we have primered piles of shit.

[dat411kid]

Agree with most of it....

I especially dislike the fact that you need 600HP to be competitive...It's making it harder for privateers to take part....Nowadays I feel like the definition of cool for many is a souped up American motor with ridiculous power...

GRASSROOTS>

[Flicktitty]

GRASSROOTS>
I agree, Drifting has taken the "fun" and "anyone can do it" out of it.

Hell the first drift event i ever went to was the RS*R Drift day in Chicago in 2004

the "family" and fun. and the EXCITEMENT was crazy. and that was before the peak for drifting in the midwest.

i'm no where near active in the drifting community as i'm not a huge drift fan. but it's what helped and killed the 240sx scene in 1 large swoop.

[Lukasss]

I cant say that im really into drifting, or an elder member.
But i do respect the past, and what has happened, and what they did to make a small revolution..kinda.

It seemed like it was more of a lifestyle or hobby then.
now it seems like every kid with a Supreme hoody needs to be "hellaflush"

No offense to anyone that wears that stuff.

[redhatchy92]

+999999999999999

[NickIsAZero]

I'm really just sick of the whole 240 = You're a drifter mindset... I don't own the nicest 240's, but damned if they're not atleast descent looking. It's rare to see one that doesn't have mix-matched body panels/rims. That's just emberassing and gives other enthusiasts a bad name I think. Don't get me started with crazy colored zip-ties busting out of every "drift scar" you got from backing out of your parents driveway with your welded diff hoppin all over the fucking place.

"What do you drive?"
If you're another 240 owner I'll tell you "a kouki" if you're not I'll say a "240".
The next thing they ask is... "So you're into drifting huh?"
NO! It's cool to watch, but it's not something I really care to do. I like to go fast through turns, not tear the fuck out of my tires and damage parts I've worked hard for. I'll go to the local 1/4mile every now & then, run an auto-x and checkout a drift event here & there.
"Oh so you're into GRIP racing then?"
WTF!?!?! Since when can you just not build a car to perform? Just because you have a RWD platform doesn't mean you're out to be the new DK. Do people ask Mustang, Miata & Firebird owners if they're only into drifting? Com'on...

I love seeing nicely done, extravagant track cars. I hate seeing busted up 240's rolling around, or even on the track that look like piles of shit. It's your car, take some pride in it. Atleast keep it looking descent. Stop spending money on stickers & Nardi wheels and buy a fucking bumper, maybe even drop some money and repaint the car one color. Do somethin!

[D.Bo]

everyone has a v8 now.

[OBEEWON]

"Look how much better I am than you, nevermind what my car looks like, 100% of my focus is performance".

Nail hit on the head right here.

A LOT of one upping going on.

Like this angle thing. It's gotten so out of control people are entering turns backwards.

So lame.

No ammount of Hot Version or Drift Tengoku is getting me excite anymore.

[raz0rbladez909]

I can honestly say I don't think i've seen anywhere in this thread where I disagree with what anyone is saying. I enjoy watching drifting, but have no urge to do it with my own cars because I know I will end up breaking something eventually. But I can respect where everyone is coming from, especially with the whole fanboi crowd moving on in, I'm actually looking for another s/z-chassis in the near future and all I see in the for sale section is either piles of shit that have been ran so hard they'd have to pay me to take them or overpriced bone stock "Drift ready" chassis.

[deolio]

A LOT of one upping going on.

Like this angle thing. It's gotten so out of control

it's the american way.

backwards entries are sweet as long as it doesn't bring the car's speed down dramatically or change the line.

[the_boss]

It seems like this happens with all underground movement. Once it gets too popular it just becomes trouble. Gets twisted to wrong ideas and the wrong people. And usually the roots are forgotten to how it all started.

[!Zar!]

This is a quote from a friend that posted something similar to this a long while back.


As i sat in the chair while the neurologist was doing tests on my brain, i thought to myself
what makes better drifting

many may think automatically "oh i know what makes drifting better!!"

-bigger angles
-perfect lines
-speed
-maybe a book from calvin wan teaching you how to drift or possibly reading all the AWOSME threads on Ziptied about how to drift

while some of these definatly can help, i will now tell you what REALLY makes drifting better
It is very simple and if people understood these easy facts, we would have much MUCH MUCH MUCH nicer "drifts"



FACTS

1. LOW: i dont care what you say, when you see a LOW car drifting, it just looks MUCH MUCH better
doesnt matter if your drifting isnt as technical it will make it look much much better if its LOWER

BODY KITS can help in the area but lowness can be achived with just stock body or minor things


2.NICE WHEELS : this doesnt mean you need to go out and spend $2500 on wheels or anything like that,
I mean wheels that FIT nice and have a GOOOD offset
nothing i mean NOOOTHING can kill the way your drift looks more than a CRAPPY set of wheels in HIGH OFFSETS!

3. NICE PAINT: i dont mean you car has to have a $3000 paint job or anything like that, but cars driving in primer or busted ass ugly paint will automatically kill the way a car looks and ultimatly lower your "drift coolness"
At LEAST wash your car before an event so that it will look good in pictures

AND MISS MATCH fenders and paint is NOT NOT NOT cool...dont think that if you have green fenders on a black car that it will look more awsome and touge racing...it doesnt!
it just looks ugly as hell..so keep your body panals ONE COLOR

4. COOL ENGINE SOUNDS: this can possibly be one of the greatest factors to making a better drift
the cooler your car sounds, THE BETTER YOUR DRIFTING WILL BE
trust me!!..
seeing a car with a quiet exhaust drift vs. one with a loud, raspy, backfiring, AWSOME RACING exhast will make the WORLD of differnce


SO heres a basic rundown on making a COOOl drift car that will make people say "WOW thats nice drifting" lol

make it LOW like it looks on the ground, put some wheels with nice offset preferably shinny, get a paint job that at least makes your car look clean with the whole car looking the SAME COLOR, and get an exhaust that will not look cool but sound LOUD and real "racy"

this is darius guide to drifting

everyone in NORCAL needs to read this....TRUST ME if people just followed the FOUR EASY STEPS, we could make drifting in NORCAL not look so pathetic and actually turn some heads


btw...

drifting in norcal is ugly and somewhat pathetic, it is not our skills that are not up to par but it is simply our ugly UGLY UGLY ASS cars that our bringing us down....

please help us get Norcal out of this style of UGLY ASS DRIFTING!

thanks
Darius

I agree with what I just posted, as well as what the OP has said.

Drifting use to be about nice looking cars, and having fun.

Now we have people calling their shitty cars, 'missile cars' or 'functional' as an attempt to make up for how fucked up their car looks

I would rather have an awesome car that looks good while drifting any day vs a bland monster truck pile of shit.

As for these backward entries, most of them look like SHIT.

The best backward entry is still Kawabata and Kuroi in the Toyo s13. Because the car didn't come to a damn near stop when doing it.

[ILoveMyRHS13]

I don't know about other areas, but DRAMA is definitely making drifting gay in the north east. It's like highschool in some places; it's pathetic.

[OBEEWON]

Dang Zar.

PERFECT post man. Perfect. And Darius is 100% on point.

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Linhbergh%20Nguyen/events/hellaflush35-pt2/IMG_5288.jpg

it's the american way.

backwards entries are sweet as long as it doesn't bring the car's speed down dramatically or change the line.

So true. I've yet to see this accomplished. I want to punch cars that almost come to a stop doing this bullshiggity.

It seems like this happens with all underground movement. Once it gets too popular it just becomes trouble. Gets twisted to wrong ideas and the wrong people. And usually the roots are forgotten to how it all started.

So true.

But even though some of this foolishness is creeping in everywhere, there are places that are still doing it right. But America seems to be messing up so bad.

I don't know about other areas, but DRAMA is definitely making drifting gay in the north east. It's like highschool in some places; it's pathetic.

FFFFFFFFFFFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[aKaFlipSide]

Don't get me started with crazy colored zip-ties busting out of every "drift scar" you got from backing out of your parents driveway with your welded diff hoppin all over the fucking place.


I literally lol'd.

[Matej]

Professional drifting should be divided into different classes, and each be judged differently.
Serious race bro Nascar JR Gittin V8 class/pretty car fairy pageant/low-rider 20mph sparklers/my-front-wheels-turn-360-degrees knuckle contest/missile derby suicide/whatever.

[Lukasss]

Agreed^

...

[4DOOR_LIFE]

This is a quote from a friend that posted something similar to this a long while back.



I agree with what I just posted, as well as what the OP has said.

Drifting use to be about nice looking cars, and having fun.

Now we have people calling their shitty cars, 'missile cars' or 'functional' as an attempt to make up for how fucked up their car looks

I would rather have an awesome car that looks good while drifting any day vs a bland monster truck pile of shit.

As for these backward entries, most of them look like SHIT.

The best backward entry is still Kawabata and Kuroi in the Toyo s13. Because the car didn't come to a damn near stop when doing it.

The guide to better drifting was probably the best thread on norcaldrift. too bad most of norcal is too style-less and lame to pay attention.




professional drifting now is boring. I'd rather re watch super old option and dori-ten videos.

Leave it to the US to fuck up everything thats cool

[ka24debt]

This whole missle thing just makes it that much harder to find a clean chassis for the people who actually care about how their car looks/performs. Its sad the amount of people I know that find these gems for dirt cheap.. "slam" them.. throw cheap wheels on them just to crash them a month later. The s chassis is right up there next to polar bears and the bald eagle.

[s13coupedrfter]

Theres alot of v8 haters but you have to run a set-up that works for you. I've spent thousands on my rb25 and sr20 motors and never got to the reliability and power levels of the ls1. Sure it has a higher initial cost but over the long run its cheaper. I couldnt be happier with the motor.

I treat drifting like skateboarding as someone put it earlier...I do it for the love and not to have a pissing contest. This brings me to my point, just because everybody doesnt have the jdm style to their cars it doesnt mean they dont have any less spirt or enthusiasm for the sport.

Do what you want to do and have your own style. Isn't that how drifting started anyway???

[maplejesse]

Coolest Formula D event, to ever happen, was when this happened.
http://www.apartment107.com/assets/article/1447/forsberg04.jpg

anyone remember what year this was?
04/05?

also, one of the best looking cars in FD

[Toi]

I hate how you can see car sponsored by all of these knock off brand and all that lame ish.


That right there shows you and half of these other band wagons KNOW NOTHING about what goes on over here in Japan.

Little Note:

Japan is KNOCK OFF CENTRAL, they take the blue prints from other companies and build their own stuff, just like isis, meagan, UPGARAGE, buddy club, and the list can go on and on.

Funny thing is a lot of hard core togue drifters are not running name brand shit, they are running your so called knock offs........

[tricky_ab]

I think my biggest pet peeve is kind of what flicktitty was getting at. People IMMEDIATLY assume we have primered piles of shit.

Seriously cosigned 100% I like great looking cars. Now if they happen to be drifting EVEN BETTER :)

Oh and OP for Zilvia presidency...

[Hoffman5982]

I stopped watching Formula D. If you aren't Vaughn Gittin Jr. or Tanner Foust you aren't going to win. The last time I watched it was Vaughn against some guy in his s13, and when Vaughn screwed up a line and clearly lost, the judges made them re-do it. Really? Is this fucking Need For Speed? Since when do you get a re-do if you screw up? I don't personally drift because I have one car and I refuse to lose it to a wall and be SOL. I'd like to have a beater to take to the track on the weekends but until then I just have to sit back and watch the sport keep going downhill

[blingbling]

That right there shows you and half of these other band wagons KNOW NOTHING about what goes on over here in Japan.

Little Note:

Japan is KNOCK OFF CENTRAL, they take the blue prints from other companies and build their own stuff, just like isis, meagan, UPGARAGE, buddy club, and the list can go on and on.

Funny thing is a lot of hard core togue drifters are not running name brand shit, they are running your so called knock offs........

Something inside me just dies when you say this its so funny. After all the arguements over knock off shit I've seen on this forum THIS gets posted. Win.
Back on subject. I don't drift my car, 1 because I suck and 2 because Ill be dammed before I fuck up an unmolested kouki doing something I already know Im bad at.

[miggypq21]

I'm just gonna start carrying a pair of side cutters and cutting every ziptie I see hanging from peoples bumpers, etc.

I'm so tired of people who refuse to cut they're zipties and drive around so proudly with their destroyed aero with the car having more ground clearance than stock. People who make excuses for not being low also get on my nerves, if your not into low cars all you have to do is say it, nobody needs to hear how shitty your streets are or how bad your parents driveway is.

Everyone needs to hop into a time machine. Bring back 2001 please.

[importantone]

good discussion

glad this came up!

[soulessphoto]

People who make excuses for not being low also get on my nerves, if your not into low cars all you have to do is say it, nobody needs to hear how shitty your streets are or how bad your parents driveway is.


This right here. I cringe everytime I read it.:squint:

Drifting lost its style because it lost its grassroots.

[JosiahP]

i think if everyone didnt hop on the "missle" car bandwagon drifting would be alot better. i agree with everything said in this thread and when i see a busted to hell and back car drifting it makes me sick.... but seeing a nicely done up car, ONE color body, a nice set of wheels, LOW, and doesnt have a shit load of zip ties. if only drifting would go back the way it was 5 years ago when people cared about the way there cars looked
but thats just my 0.02

[Perfect Balance]

These cars right here are a great example of how it should be done.

http://heavenisinmunich.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/img_0717-1.jpg

Yeah, they wrecked and tore shit up, but they fixed it every time for the next event. I'm sure people that followed their blog saw the posts of them doing bodywork and painting, ect. They always made an attempt to make the cars appear in one piece.

[JosiahP]

^ thats how cars should look! not busted ass pieces of shit.....

[95KA-Turbo]

I like how numerous people blame V8 swaps for ruining drifting. V8 swaps didn't give people bad style. You can definitely have style and a V8, you just typically don't see it the two together.

The whole misinterpretation of a missile car has exploded in one giant fucked up cluster fuck. People think it is cool their car is a giant pile of unsafe trash. Its one thing if you just don't care about the body and drive the shit out of it, and still try and make it look alright, but when I tech cars at events who's seats aren't even bolted down all the way and their batteries are bungie corded to a piece of metal that's ziptied to a fender that's not bolted down it just gets completely ridiculous. In case you're wondering...no that wont pass tech. Learn how to fucking do things right.

And just so its clear, I'm not a name brand whore. I think you can make a car look great on a budget, if you want wheels and aero but can't afford both why not buy wheels and fuck aero - just lower the fucking car.

[anton1o]

Sure it has a higher initial cost but over the long run its cheaper. I couldnt be happier with the motor.

Agree'd i sometimes don't understand the haters of engine swaps that will increase reliability.

Everybody takes 'Drifting' differently, im not a hater on it because its evolved and some people have taken it more seriously than others.

And do not go completely left field, but man im a hater on the stupid 'Keep Drifting Fun' "Grass roots drifting for life" etc etc... seriously, its like the people who praise this don't drift?
It takes us about 3hours of driving to get to our "Local" Drift Track, do you know how much "FUN" it is when you then have to spend 3/4 of the day working on your busted up SR.. Its alot more fun when you get to spend that 3/4 of the day actually drifting.. But then people try and call you all these stupid internet terms because your not 'grass roots' enough and that your ruining it?

Man if anything i think sometimes the people who are actually hating on it are the people who are sending it further backwards..

[jorge1190]

I enjoy watching drifting, not big into it just have something to say about the reliability comments on 4 cylinders and other turbo engines. Most of the reliability issues goes with two different things I think:

1. People who, like everyone said, halfass their cars. If you cant attach a fender properly what makes you think they are capable of putting together a proper, reliable swap?

2. The fact that it takes 600 HP to compete. It is a 4 cylinder, attempting to get that much power out of them takes a ton of money, and it is still not gonna last long because they are not meant to make that much power.

I appreciate a clean, well-done car doing whatever it is meant to do whether it is grip, drift, street drive, whatever floats the owner's boat. I hate crappy looking cars or cars with mismatched body panels. Dont tell me you cant afford paint, I would rather see a car with Maaco paint all one color than 5 colors of primer.

[EhrikETFG]

its funny that even in this thread people are still whining about dumb things lol

awe man that kid has zipties on his front bumper? oh nooo

[95KA-Turbo]

Zip ties on the bumper is not the problem. People thinking having a fucked up, half assed zip tied bumper is cool is the problem.

[WERDdabuilder]

what happened?

florida happened....
broke ass honda owners moving to nissan...
hypebeast/illist.....




there i said it.

[EhrikETFG]

Zip ties on the bumper is not the problem. People thinking having a fucked up, half assed zip tied bumper is cool is the problem.

i guess. id rather see a nice car drifting, sure, but if the dude with the sagging bumper is killing it with a smile on his face, what is the big deal?

[95KA-Turbo]

I believe I am too drunk to put what I want to say into the proper words. I'll come back to this tomorrow. LOL

[1on1]

When I read the first post, the first thing that popped in my head was Darius's post on norcaldrift.

Keep drifting fun and looking cool.

[curbhuggerrps13]

the younger generation is always gonna want what the older generations has...parts from 96-2000 were hard to come by and very pricey for those of us who began taking on these projects. sure they take short cuts and what not entering the scene. but its because the parts are so easily accessed and cheap compared to what i was used to purchasing. as long as everyone keeps its safe and drama free i have no problems with it. but i still believe a car being built should be done to almost completion with no fucking excuses.

[Toi]

I'm just gonna start carrying a pair of side cutters and cutting every ziptie I see hanging from peoples bumpers, etc.


Wow just wow......I know everyone wants to have a nice car but the ENTHUSIAST that drift every (insert curse word here) weekend here in Japan use zip ties, wreck in the beginning, get used to the feeling, yes yes they do, and after they get really good at drifting, then they turn the car into something nice because they don't wreck so often and if they do THEY FIX IT OMFG I SAID FIX IT!!!! Might take them 6 months but its not a fashion show here, UNLESS its VIP its not a panty dropper.

Anyway

American grass roots drifting is not and cannot be the same as the Japanese, not if you want a nice car.....and not if you make stupid statements like that.

If you want a nice 240/Silvia, rock your flush, tucked, slammed, stock clean ride, and by the time your 50 there won't be many left and you will have something valuable. Don't bash people if they wreck a car, it happens, and it just so happens that the S Chassis is one of the most popular cars to slide.

[demonspeed]

I dunno if you would consider me an 'old school' drifter, but i started in Oki back in 04. Drifting to me is more than just zipties and tire racks lol! the best driftcar EVER is the one that drives to the track, drifts, and drives back. Daily driver/drifter cars just do it for me i guess BUT they have to look like daily cars...no primer jobs...rattlebomb that shit one color i dont care, just make it look good (it CAN be done) put some nice fitting rims on and call it a day. Ive seen countless KA's straight KILL SR's because they think i have a 'drift motor' thats all i need. Just because you have a better motor doesnt make you a better driver or in this case a better drifter. As far as namebrand parts go, i honestly could care less...you wanna drift on some 2500 dollar rims, be my guest. To me, that means you know your car so you arent gonna fuck it up lol

[miggypq21]

Wow just wow......I know everyone wants to have a nice car but the ENTHUSIAST that drift every (insert curse word here) weekend here in Japan use zip ties, wreck in the beginning, get used to the feeling, yes yes they do, and after they get really good at drifting, then they turn the car into something nice because they don't wreck so often and if they do THEY FIX IT OMFG I SAID FIX IT!!!! Might take them 6 months but its not a fashion show here, UNLESS its VIP its not a panty dropper.

Anyway

American grass roots drifting is not and cannot be the same as the Japanese, not if you want a nice car.....and not if you make stupid statements like that.

If you want a nice 240/Silvia, rock your flush, tucked, slammed, stock clean ride, and by the time your 50 there won't be many left and you will have something valuable. Don't bash people if they wreck a car, it happens, and it just so happens that the S Chassis is one of the most popular cars to slide.
I'm talking about the whiskers buddy. Calm down

http://blogs.buffalonews.com/.a/6a00d83451b85a69e20120a92ce4fb970b-320wi

These guys not as exagerated though. But, I don't give a fuck if the bumper is held on with zip ties I did it from time to time as well, but clean that shit up and cut the excess off.

You can't even use "learning" as an excuse either. I did a lot of street drifting and a couple events and even I managed to somehow keep my car looking somewhat decent. It isn't that hard. But like many have said, the whole missile term has been misconstrued and people take it way out of context. But eh, what do I know. /rant

[maplejesse]

http://www.rockfordfosgate.com/gallery/images/DRIFT28.jpg

foam finger drifting

[Marcus]

foam finger drifting


i still have those foam fingers haha

[DertyDan]

i think about almost everything said in this thread every day. best thread ever!

I like how numerous people blame V8 swaps for ruining drifting. V8 swaps didn't give people bad style. You can definitely have style and a V8, you just typically don't see it the two together.

Agree 100%! I have yet to see a V8 driver locally with any style whatsoever. Personally, I just don't like V8 swaps at all. It would be different if FD wasnt a bunch of ugly ass nascar style cookie cutter cars with V8s, but its not. Grassroots drifting is suffering the same problem around here to those who can afford LS swaps. Yeah their cars look like shit, but thats not even what makes me mad. ITS THAT THEY DONT PUSH THEMSELVES OR THEIR CARS. Everyone ive talked to that owns a V8 just blabs about how it makes drifting easier. I love to drift for the rush of it and I feel a V8 would make it less of a thrill. Last local event I was watching another run group while mine was off. All of the V8 swap drivers had lame entries and seemed like they were trying to go through the coarse too fast (as if it was a race) so they had bad angle and were never over like 4k rpm until a series of turns was over and then they would floor it after coming out of the last turn (finally having decent angle, smoke, and high rpm. yet still lame because they only did so knowing they wouldnt spin because the turn was over). They also think its cool to manji straights between turns that can easily be connected... idk i dont understand.

I find it much more entertaining to watch the typical drift car. Crazy entries, good angle/speed/line, bouncing rev limitter/ebraking trying to extend and connect long straights, getting as close as you can during tandem.... all of the things I love about drifting involve trying to push the limit and doing something crazy simply for the thrill of it.

[soulessphoto]

what happened?

florida happened....
broke ass honda owners moving to nissan...
hypebeast/illist.....




there i said it.

Stfu asshole, it's not Florida's fault, there's a buncha shitty ass fucked up cars in Cali too.:-/

[OBEEWON]

I honestly do not care what engine is in a car. That's not the problem to me. The problem is cars that look like this:

http://www.motormavens.com/emAlbum/albums/Antonio%20Alvendia/Events/Formula%20Drift/2010%20Rd3%20New%20Jersey/_fullsize/3E4H6186-samuel-hubinette-dodge-challenger-wall-speedway-formula-drift-new-jersey-copy.jpg

Oh man that is so bad I want to punch myself for posting it.

I forget who said it, some Japanese driver: You get a car as low as possible and learn to drive it. My biggest issue in the past 6 years has been my front inside wheel locking up on transition and spinning because of it. Also trying to clean molten rubber off my mirrors and fender. I probably make as much smoke from my fronts as I do in the back.

If I ran drift events I would stand at the gate bouncing people for having wheel gap and no steeze.


OH AND PLEASE STOP BRINGING UGLY CHICKS WITH YOU TO THE TRACK! No one wants to see that mess.

[iStayBroke]

This is a thread that needed to happen.

More of this:
KUe7C62WdD0

Less of this:
http://image.importtuner.com/f/24465806+w750+st0/impp_0909_08_z+formula_d_diaries+scion_drifting.jp g

I blame America, not even joking.
Everything gets turned into a huge fucking contest of "I'm faster, I got more power." That's just how America is, but drifting is about driver skill, not using your 700hp as a crutch to cover your lack of said skills.

I have more but I can't put it into words currently.

This sums up my thoughts on the current state of "professional" drifting.
:picardfp:

[TheRealSy90]

Professional drifting should be divided into different classes, and each be judged differently.
Serious race bro Nascar JR Gittin V8 class/pretty car fairy pageant/low-rider 20mph sparklers/my-front-wheels-turn-360-degrees knuckle contest/missile derby suicide/whatever.

This made me fall off my chair in laughter.

[EhrikETFG]

scions are dumb

[ixfxi]

Do you guy's remember when people asked what you had/what you were into and you said 240sx, and they said ughhh what's that? or laughed cause it wasn't a Honda/Acura. now look at the "scene" all those people have these cars now and are the fanboys ruining these cars.

nick, i dunno man. you arent necessarily an old school 240 owner. what do you have to compare this all with? i mean, the honda scene is/was the 90s... vtec... enter 2000 and that shit was at a hault, hondas lost a lot of their popularity.. thats why things switched over and we started seeing more and more 240 owners.

not trying to be a complete dick, only a partial one, but you're young man. too young to comment on how the scene changed from honda to nissan. but whatever, were all entitled to an opinion i guess...


I think my biggest pet peeve is kind of what flicktitty was getting at. People IMMEDIATLY assume we have primered piles of shit.

i own a 240 and i will 100% guarantee that everyone here owns a primered pile of shit, or has owned a primered pile of shit at some point in time. ide also like to say that if theyre not primered then chances are, they dont work. and i'll gladly include myself in this catagory. ive seen very few respectable FINISHED cars... its all bullshit.


I blame America, not even joking.

we americans have a habit of ruining shit, and i completely agree. thats capitolism, everyone wants their piece of pie and the next thing you know its exploited and played out. gotta accept it for what it is now, no going back and changing it.

i will say its been nice going to smaller 240 meets lately. i really didnt expect to ever go back to meets with 10-20 people. as for drifting, thats just something that a lot of us old-schoolers just never really cared about. i know a lot who would watch it, but the whole fan-boy stuff is more the younger modern kids trying to fit into a scene. maybe its the word DRIFTER... seems to tough and at the same time, lost. fits the emo kids with hoodies real well.

oh, and freddy kruger sweaters





and ghey tight jeans

[OBEEWON]

Agreed. At least they were kind of low.

America is messing up.

More Kiddynomite.
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http://media.ziptied.com/members/files/14/DD37024.jpg

[Flicktitty]

nick, i dunno man. you arent necessarily an old school 240 owner. what do you have to compare this all with? i mean, the honda scene is/was the 90s... vtec... enter 2000 and that shit was at a hault, hondas lost a lot of their popularity.. thats why things switched over and we started seeing more and more 240 owners.

not trying to be a complete dick, only a partial one, but you're young man. too young to comment on how the scene changed from honda to nissan. but whatever, were all entitled to an opinion i guess...


I know i'm not as old as some people on here, but i feel as if i have the mindset of some of our elder members. I've been active on many Nissan forums since 2001. been through different screen names, and when sites go down/crash you have to create new ones. And to have a been in and around the 240sx scene in the MIDWEST since 2001 it's a HUGE change. You being from cali might not realize but the midwest/east coast is years behind you guys. it's funny JUST this summer i saw people trying to be "FLUSH" around here. and finally cars started showing up with "illest|hellaflush|fatlace" stickers. Chicago is doing fine however...just the sisterfucking population in Wisconsin in years behind. Funny how i can be completely sick of a fad online before a group of people start doing it here.

[adam s]

Honest to god, this entire thread details why I sold my 240 to get into an FD3s.

I owned a '92 STOCK 240sx, with coils, and everybody and their mother would ask me if I drifted it. I fucking hated hearing that, used to piss me off so much.

Don't get me wrong, I've been known to spend hours upon hours on youtube watching oldschool drift shit over and over again, but that doesn't make me a drifter, neither does my obnoxiously low sunken battle ship wheel 240sx. (at least I assumed it didn't...)

My car was ridiculously clean all the time. I washed it 3-4 times a week and always repaired shit with brand new OEM parts whenever stuff broke, that's how I liked it. I LOVE "old" cars, and I usually can't stand newer ones. I wanted to drive a "brand new" '92 240sx, I spent my feeble smoothie shop paychecks making it that way.

In the end the man beat me, the man told me I was a drifter, the man told me I was a tuner, and the man told me I needed zip ties hanging out of every imaginable seam on my car.

Here's a pic for reference. Minus the coils, it was practically stock, and not stock in the way that a beat ass 20 year old faded to shit car is stock, but stock in the way that almost every part of the car had been replaced with brand new or reman'd OEM parts.

OEM. Yeh.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll123/moonshadowmetallic/IMG_3895.jpg

[Brian]

This is why I quit.

[S14DOOD]

I really hate when people get a 240 and put a welded diif in and just think they can go out there and drift and not really put there heart into it! I used to be a hardcore honda guy but loved drifting, i was at every local event watching and riding along. Well one day i found a 95 s14 for a good price and yes i put a welded diff in it lol, but when i hit my first turn sideways i knew thats what i wanna do! every since then iv put my heart into drifting yes i want a cool looking car and want more angle, but at thye same time i wanna go put meet new people and just have fun. I really dont think there is any sport out there that is mors fun in my opion. KEEP DRIFTING FUN!!

[azndoc]

While I agree with most of what people said on here is correct regarding the transformation of drifting I also understand that with time things change. Everyone bitches about how America ruined drifting, but I believe American drifting just evolved into something using what we have available. The V8 trend did not ruin drifting in America, it is just an engine that is more reliable and competitive than your SR and RB motors. Yes, SR and RB can also put out 4-600 horse powers, but I believe with a V8 you get there faster and more reliable. Formula D is exciting for the certain aspects of things such as watching your friends drive or mostly just for the entertainment aspect. You don't have to take it too seriously, it does not affect you if you do not want it to be.

Drifting is for you and for no one else and that's what I believe. You can do it at your leisure, the sport may not always be here in the form of competitive driving or local drift events, but as long as you have a car and a track of sorts you can do it all by yourself. For me it was always about going out with friends and having fun, friends pushing each other to be a better driver, and really just a great place to be on a nice Saturday. The more concern you have over how FD is or why no one builds awesome cars the more you step away from the true value of what the sport is.

People are going to build shitty cars and that is just the way it is, fuck it, it just makes my car look that much better. Also, "missile cars" usually started off as nice cars and eventually just took on the form of a shitty looking car because of crashes and hard driving, you can't make a shitty looking car and call it a "missile car" just because you know it is a shitty looking car to begin with.

Be a better driver yourselves is the most important concern everyone should have. If you love cars then you should love driving as well. If you care about your car and have pride in it then you should provide great parts to your car so that the performance level is at its best. If you love to show your car off because you love your car then the exterior of your car should be one color and painted. Also, please do not put care into everything else else and run cheesy wheels, it ruins all of the other hard work.

Driving a nice looking car gives you a better feeling that is hard to describe, but driving it to the max while others baby their shit is a even better feeling.

[Brian]

How about a smashed in driver side door pillar?

:)

[driftxninja]

holy shit. ive read through every comment in this thread and agree with some, disagree with some. im not going back to reference. i want to put in my 2 cents as well...

V8's like many have said is definately more reliable way to get more hp for a bit more money.
its weird how everyone is so concerned about what everyone else but themselves is doing.

im one of those kids who don't match socks, sometimes don't match shirt with shorts because i feel better wearing comfortable clothes that don't match instead of uncomfortable ones that do. people always look at me like oh you know your socks don't match... and i just respond by saying aw thats sweet i didn't know you cared so much about what socks i wear.

my point is... everyone bitching and complaining about what other people are doing with their cars, get over it its not your car. you shouldn't be worrying about some strangers car you don't even know him/her. you wanna change things? do something about it. for fucks sake make your own car nice, help friends make their cars nice, their friends can make their cars nice... soon you will have a nice group of nice cars wouldn't that be nice?

I have a clean 89 240sx with 130000 original miles. I have track coilovers, rear upper control arms, exhaust and intake. i drift because i love it. i love driving sideways. i like watching old school drift videos. i like watching formula drift. its different styles, different cars, and different inspiration.
to each their own.

[driftxninja]

P.S.

if you "quit" drifting or loving cars because of how the "scene" is turning out, then you are into it for the wrong reasons to begin with.

[driftxninja]

While I agree with most of what people said on here is correct regarding the transformation of drifting I also understand that with time things change. Everyone bitches about how America ruined drifting, but I believe American drifting just evolved into something using what we have available. The V8 trend did not ruin drifting in America, it is just an engine that is more reliable and competitive than your SR and RB motors. Yes, SR and RB can also put out 4-600 horse powers, but I believe with a V8 you get there faster and more reliable. Formula D is exciting for the certain aspects of things such as watching your friends drive or mostly just for the entertainment aspect. You don't have to take it too seriously, it does not affect you if you do not want it to be.

Drifting is for you and for no one else and that's what I believe. You can do it at your leisure, the sport may not always be here in the form of competitive driving or local drift events, but as long as you have a car and a track of sorts you can do it all by yourself. For me it was always about going out with friends and having fun, friends pushing each other to be a better driver, and really just a great place to be on a nice Saturday. The more concern you have over how FD is or why no one builds awesome cars the more you step away from the true value of what the sport is.

People are going to build shitty cars and that is just the way it is, fuck it, it just makes my car look that much better. Also, "missile cars" usually started off as nice cars and eventually just took on the form of a shitty looking car because of crashes and hard driving, you can't make a shitty looking car and call it a "missile car" just because you know it is a shitty looking car to begin with.

Be a better driver yourselves is the most important concern everyone should have. If you love cars then you should love driving as well. If you care about your car and have pride in it then you should provide great parts to your car so that the performance level is at its best. If you love to show your car off because you love your car then the exterior of your car should be one color and painted. Also, please do not put care into everything else else and run cheesy wheels, it ruins all of the other hard work.

Driving a nice looking car gives you a better feeling that is hard to describe, but driving it to the max while others baby their shit is a even better feeling.

good speech. +1

[S14DOOD]

P.S.

if you "quit" drifting or loving cars because of how the "scene" is turning out, then you are into it for the wrong reasons to begin with.

X2 on that one

[all show no go]

All this shit, all this shit said about looking cool. I don't know how to say it , but I think I'm tired of thinking about all this & not seeing it for so long that I really don't care if I see it at all anymore. It's too late for me to "care". I can understand v8's & their use for effective & fun power. If someone offered a free v8 swap fuck it, I really don't care. I will have fun I'm sure & I will style my car my way. I'm so tired of nearly everything about drifting lately. I just love drifting with my nephew once in a while, just like I like to skateboard once in a while.

To me, "making rules" of how drifting should look like no matter if you're talking about v8's in s13's or every car HAVING to look like Magician, is taking drifting itself too seriously.


GET REAL not everyone is going to look like Japan.

[!Zar!]

P.S.

if you "quit" drifting or loving cars because of how the "scene" is turning out, then you are into it for the wrong reasons to begin with.

Drifting to me is about having fun with friends.

If you were friends with everyone in the, 'scene' and they get out, then the fun is gone.

Simple as that.

[drift freaq]

P.S.

if you "quit" drifting or loving cars because of how the "scene" is turning out, then you are into it for the wrong reasons to begin with.

I cry foul on this statement. You have missed the bigger point of this thread. Its just not about drifting.

I learned how to drift before the term was coined. In 510's and 240Z's yes and they are not the easiest cars to do it in. At the same time we did mountain driving as well. No one separated this stuff out. We would go out and in our words get sideways because it was fun. We would go out and run the mountains because it was fun. Both things were done repeatedly to increase skill factor.

Fast forward to the late 90's. I had been out of Sports cars for about 8-9 years. Sold my last 240Z in 1990. I came to 240sx's because I had known about them since they first came out. I wanted a car that had the spirit of the 240Z (s13 fastbacks) but was somewhat more modern aka fun with creature comforts like power windows. What a concept. Kids take their power windows out. I wanted them because I had basically owned and driven sports cars that never had them. LOL

The interesting thing was I found a cool crowd of people they included people who drifted people who did not and people who maybe did not even track their cars.
The whole point was except for the few egoist that are in every crowd, no one really looked down on anyone because they did or did not go to the track. Did or did not drift. It did not matter, it was about enthusiasm for one of the few affordabe and Fun RWD cars. A car that had been poorly marketed here in the U.S. out of fear it would overshadow the base NA Z32 sales.

The average person did not have a clue about these cars. If they did they called them Secretaries cars because Nissan had actually marketed them that way here. LOL

It was great for a numbers of years, different people from another car crowd came into the scene it changed. I still owned the cars and loved them. Though I was starting to dislike a lot of the newcomers. Attitudes, was one thing, Ego's were another. If you did not take your car to the track to prove it them you were not shit was quite the common attitude that started to prevail.

Along with it came a crowd of thieves who would rather rip off the cars to get parts rather than spend their own money.
I know a lot of former enthusiasts and drivers who sold their 240's and got out because of this.

It had nothing to do with being in it for the wrong reason. It had more to do with utter disgust with how a lot of the current owners approached everything.

Meets? For the most part not worth going to anymore. Why? your car might get targeted to be stolen.
Fear of taking your car anywhere as well because it might get targeted to get stolen.

All of this is a big detraction from being a part of or wanting to own the cars anymore.
When you sit there and say I just want to own a sports car I can drive anywhere and not be overly worried about it getting stolen. Take it to the track on sunday and drive it during the week afterwards. That is when you know that its changed.

wrong reasons no. Facts yes. Truth of things yes they change. I used to put on Raves in San Francisco in the early 90's to late 90's back when it really meant something. It changed, its not the same and I recognized it. Do I still like the music? Sure. Would I put on a Rave today or go to one? No. Its not the same anymore. It Just isn't and I know, because I was their back in the day. Most Rave goers today were not so they have no idea.

Same could be said for current generation 240 owners. You guys were not their back then you have no idea.

Everything changes and people that are around in the early part of a particular scene will tend to wind up leaving after it evolves and changes into something different.

No wrong reason. Its just not what it was about in the beginning. I love 240sx's they are fun cars. At the same time I hate what I see, what it has become.

This is what drives people away and this is what most of this thread has pointed out.
If you are too young to understand the feelings or sentiments of the older generation? Perhaps you should try and listen and learn as you will be there someday yourself.

P.S. Wanting to keep on owning something but being afraid to take it anywhere for fear of it being stolen defeats the purpose all together.
Porsche's do not get stolen at the rate of 240's and you do not their owners being paranoid about parking it anywhere outside of a ghetto.

[driftxninja]

^ that makes perfect sense. but to just say "this is why i quit" referring to what everyone is saying about how cars are becoming now a days is not the same thing.

i understand that though.

[udon!]

http://bhworld.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/asb-12.jpg


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[driftxninja]

lol drift freaq i was referring particularly to the guy who said "this is why i quit" not he thread LOL.

but the point i try and make is that if you truly love drifting, there is no reason at all to stop doing so because you don't appreciate how everyone else is doing it.

[zeitgeist]

I get so sick of hearing people complain what someone else's car should look like.

Back in the day when rice was rampant this problem didnt seem to exist as much. And everyones car looked completely different as a result

[driftxninja]

as for the stealing cars... that sucks that the world is like that. i would definately relocate ...

[kOOpA]

if you "quit" drifting or loving cars because of how the "scene" is turning out, then you are into it for the wrong reasons to begin with.
NAILED IT! If you have your friends, and you guys have fun, who cares about everyone else?

[s tuned]

the crap that been messing up the drifting scene IMO is honda guys now trying to move to 240sx and rocking a rainbow full of color car.. also stealing cars thats what has brought the fun down.. but for the people that keep it real on the rwd scene we all know we carry our cars clean af idk just saying

[Brian]

lol drift freaq i was referring particularly to the guy who said "this is why i quit" not he thread LOL.

but the point i try and make is that if you truly love drifting, there is no reason at all to stop doing so because you don't appreciate how everyone else is doing it.

I'd rather quit than be lumped in with a bunch of ugly cars.
lol

[drift freaq]

as for the stealing cars... that sucks that the world is like that. i would definately relocate ...

See but the thing is you are going to ask someone to move to a different city or state, because the particular car they own has become a thief magnet?
Dude I live in Los Angeles I am here for a reason, I would not move somewhere else. I would buy a car that is not so targeted by thieves though.
I think you look at this solely from a insulated perspective of where you live.

I live in one of the places that accounted for the majority of sales of these cars in the first place. Hence more of them being seen. Now it used to be you would see a fair amount of stock ones or clean ones.
Now the majority of what you see is beat up multicolored shit piles driving around or parked.
Its embarrassing because the average Joe now thinks the cars are nothing but beat up shit pile high school kids cars.

I never thought I would miss the day, that someone parked to close to my clean low mileage Black 91 fastback. I was concerned about it and this guy stands there are goes man its just a Nissan stop worrying.

No worries of it getting stolen. No respect? maybe but disrespect not really.

This all makes one want to buy a 350z or some other modern car and not worry.
What has happened in drifting is all part of the symptoms of what has happened overall.

Like I said earlier its changed, and regardless of what you think I completely understand Brian's comment of "this is why I quite"
I know where he is coming from.

[FaLKoN240]

This thread now sucks because all of the band wagoners are defending their current "scene"

[tricky_ab]

On my way home from work I had seen a rattle can purple 240 with lovely lime green spayed crappy rims. I could already hear his explanation in my head...

"So um, you going to paint this thing?"..."Nah bro, it's my drift slut. It's just going to get messed up so why do it?!"

[DenkiMan!]

^^^^lol hey now, my car has faded paint and id rather spend money on other things that need mechanical attention. ppl ask me that sometimes and i say something like well im learning how to drift and when starting out with not that much skill, paint is the least of my worries...

a little more dignified thant "its my drift slut" which makes no sense lol

as for the american drift scene, yea D1 was started 4 years before Formula D and im sure the scene was different before hand. drifting itself didnt even become ALL that popular until tokyo drift came out - lets be honest. and it came out 2 yrs after Formula D was started.

now being only 20, im not guna say that i "miss" the old days when drifting was about repping various car companies, clubs and just flat out fun, but i sure do wish i was a part of it. i like what that was about way more than what im seeing now, and i know ppl agree on that.

if ppl lump you in their misconstrued beliefs of what drifting is about so what? do your thing with ppl who love the sport, have fun and do it right

unless your someone who owns spray painted, joker themed cars, with most likely knock off parts and says "nah bro, its my drift slut..." then no dont ever do your own thing and i hate you

[Shift n Drift]

i love it when i tell people that i bought another motor for her, and they just say... "you got to get rid of that car"

that makes me laugh pretty good

[Kingbaby]

lmao at "drift slut"

Same reason I'm doing paint correction on my 240sx. I like my shit looking good, and not thinking it's a drift car cause it's beat up. America...go figure! Drifitng is now about powering your way through a corner. No style, No technique, No respect for learning how to do it correctly.

NOW it's

power

oversteer

smash gas

counter steer!


look I'm drifting!




"It was all lost when someone couldn't drift with a slow car" - random

[Shift n Drift]

in formula drift this would not have counted because his wheel went of the track close to the end,

WTF, that was nasty. count that shit fo sho
formula drift is not cool

This is a thread that needed to happen.

More of this:
KUe7C62WdD0

Less of this:
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I blame America, not even joking.
Everything gets turned into a huge fucking contest of "I'm faster, I got more power." That's just how America is, but drifting is about driver skill, not using your 700hp as a crutch to cover your lack of said skills.

I have more but I can't put it into words currently.

This sums up my thoughts on the current state of "professional" drifting.
:picardfp:

[Lucas180]

People just need to stop trying to fake them self's and stop being hacks.

I think about this kinda stuff every day.. and every time i go to the track and see peoples cars i have to drift against with makes me not even wanna compete with them.. stuff like peoples cars that aren't even washed and have all different color panels literally hanging off the car..ect.

i got into drifting becasue i love to slide my car sideways. no other reason. there is no reason why drifters cant take care of their cars...some ppl just dont get it i guess. i love my 240 i built it the best way i know by learning about the car the hard way i guess you could say. but the hard way took time. i really started to hate the whole import car tuning scene. it just seems so stupid. i like to just have a clean car, drift it for fun and drive home.. hopefully with the win.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/GTChampion/283283_231796870188431_206645229370262_742445_7697 082_n.jpg
Me and my car at Mosport in Canada this past weekend with a first place! no stickers or wisker zip ties.. or whatever else drifting is getting known for :dead:

[5pecialist]

If image is important, step up to a Ferrari.

[DenkiMan!]

People just need to stop trying to fake them self's and stop being hacks.

I think about this kinda stuff every day.. and every time i go to the track and see peoples cars i have to drift against with makes me not even wanna compete with them.. stuff like peoples cars that aren't even washed and have all different color panels literally hanging off the car..ect.

i got into drifting becasue i love to slide my car sideways. no other reason. there is no reason why drifters cant take care of their cars...some ppl just dont get it i guess. i love my 240 i built it the best way i know by learning about the car the hard way i guess you could say. but the hard way took time. i really started to hate the whole import car tuning scene. it just seems so stupid. i like to just have a clean car, drift it for fun and drive home.. hopefully with the win.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/GTChampion/283283_231796870188431_206645229370262_742445_7697 082_n.jpg
Me and my car at Mosport in Canada this past weekend with a first place! no stickers or wisker zip ties.. or whatever else drifting is getting known for :dead:



^^^ i mean you have to understand that most ppl get into drifting when their young and don't have all that much money, so it isn't always easy to come by. when you drift, your car is a money pit anyways and shits always breaking, shit u need to replace.

like i was saying in my first post, appearance isn't always a priority for most. your car has to work first before it looks pretty, and keeping it pretty when your drifting hardcore is not easy or cheap at all in my opinion. im pretty sure that's why ppl see so many crappy looking 240's...most drifters just don't care for a reason

[Kingbaby]

plus motherfuckers can't drive first off, tryna drift

then think it's cool they wreck...

[Speed Junky]

So much hate in this thread lol

Shit, I love it, I first saw a nice fixed up Honda when I was 8, my life change after that. I like people who take pride in their cars, doesn't matter what brand it is. You can tell who has worked hard for their nice ride and take pride in it.

I got into drifting in 2000, it's definitely changed, but o well, not like it was going to stay the same forever.

To be honest I don't see myself selling my 89' hatch. Eventually it will be strictly a track car.

[lflkajfj12123]

Hrmmmmmmmm...

I will continue to build cars how I like them and drift in 2012...

and 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016 and so on...

I stopped paying attention to what every one else is doing and just focused on what I want to do.

BH #1 (you'll be back buddy)

[misterdumby]

I try to preserve my car... not make up excuses why it looks like shit because all the fan boys think its cool. But whatever, to each their own eh?
Whats the benefit of rusting your hoods, flashy zip ties, and stickers all over the place? because it looks cool??? uh... :goyou:
There is an obvious difference between car enthusiasts, and kids that have no idea what they're doing.

[iStayBroke]

Ive been thinking about the other stuff I wanted to say

Before I start I want to say that while I still blame America, I don't have any problem with v8 cars. It's the American mentality. I've lived in Japan on and off for over ten years(most of my life) and seeing stuff happen in America when your out of the country really affects how you see things. It's a 1-up type thing where everything has to be done bigger, faster, and your car better make more power than the person before you. That's why cars like the new charger and challenger come with 400+ horsepower, but then have to spin 20 inch wheels from the factory. For the most part, here in Japan, just being a car guy(or girl) is enough. If you love your car and like how your car looks, so be it.

But using a drift scion with a crate v8 as a marketing tool for the brand when a scion is not rear wheel drive or a v8 engined car is where the line should be drawn.
If it was a private thing where some guy and his garage decided to chop up a scion to drift it it would not seem nearly as bad as a factory-backed facade.

And i think that's it for now.

[pinkarrowsnow]

Everyone should stop complaining. We all enjoy drifting weather cars look like shit or look really cool. Some people rather beat the fuck out of there car and get good at driving then spend money on a cool set of wheels. Some people like to win and be competitive cause losing sucks and isnt much fun. v8's did not ruin drifting it made it more entertaining to watch. Yes it isnt like japanese drifting but it still is drifting the same thing we all like to do and watch cars going sideways. 3-4 years ago in formula d you would be lucky to watch 5 good tandems all event now every run is awesome door to door action. Im sure half the people that complain in this thread dont go to multiple events every month spend thousands on tires, gas, and event fees but at the end of the day we all do it cause we like drifting. Whoever said the skateboarding comment before is one hundred percent right. X games people never bitched at the street skaters/kids/fanboys but the street skaters/kids/fanboys sure talked shit on the other guys. Things progress thoughout time people dont like change so either complain to a bunch of fags on the internet or deal with it.

Here is a prime example my car looks like dick and got crashed terribly this year and landers has one of the coolest looking 240s on the internet and he doesnt complain about how gay my car is cause were having fun!

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/gtracer123/mikelanders.jpg

[Dolph_KYAS13]

A good friend once said

"Don' forget kids;
drifting is all about friends, and enjoying a day at the track.
take this shit too seriously, and you can suck a huge dick.

unless you are into that, then suck something you really don't like"

amen to that

[DenkiMan!]

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p172/bluevan45/s13missile.jpg

[ixfxi]

just the sisterfucking population in Wisconsin in years behind. Funny how i can be completely sick of a fad online before a group of people start doing it here.

its too bad mark borchardt isnt into drifting. that would put wisconsin up on the map as #1, at least i think so


Honest to god, this entire thread details why I sold my 240 to get into an FD3s.

In the end the man beat me, the man told me I was a drifter, the man told me I was a tuner, and the man told me I needed zip ties hanging out of every imaginable seam on my car.

i think thats bullshit. when you get OUT of a car scene to join another, i think thats pathetic. you're a fucking traitor. wheres your loyalty, damnit? you're supposed to be a 240 owner FOR LIFE, blood in, BLOOD OUT esse. FD? fuck that, weaksauce holmes.


Porsche's do not get stolen at the rate of 240's and you do not their owners being paranoid about parking it anywhere outside of a ghetto.

thats because unlike a 240, a porsche cannot have its doors opened with a pixie stick and the ignition popped with a fucking TWIZZLER


the crap that been messing up the drifting scene IMO is honda guys now trying to move to 240sx and rocking a rainbow full of color car.. also stealing cars thats what has brought the fun down..

i dont like when people say that about the honda community. i mean, its a generalization.. theres some truth to it, but whatever....... idiot car owners have been around forever. im sure the honda guys were pissed when cars were getting stolen back in the 90s...... thats when vtec first came out and thats when they got piss popular


drifting itself didnt even become ALL that popular until tokyo drift came out - lets be honest.

i cant believe you just said that......... you must be 18. edit, nevermind 20. that makes sense.

[ayuaddict]

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p172/bluevan45/s13missile.jpg

I would bet you that the gentleman operating that vehicle has a very nice S13 sitting at home. You physically cannot "have a missile car" if you do not have another similar car that looks awesome, you can try - but then, sooner or later, you realize you just drive a shitty car.

[illvialuver]

Okay, ifxi NEVER owned a primered car, or rattle canned to shit car. NEVER will.
I will never quit liking my car.

Let's just say all of us here are male and like women, but then one day all the guys you know who are your friends, started liking guys, would you start to like guys? I wouldnt, just stay true to YOURSELF!!!

Brian Harte, everyone misses you, and talks of you like you were some god, but you know for someone who has the last name Harte you kinda show a lacking of it. No offense, I understand, a lot of my friends have called it quits just because they are getting tired of being lumped into a group of guys who have bad style. I really wish you would have stuck it out. But if you are doing something you love and guys ruin it, like the guys with bad style and cheap ass ghetto cars with no pride or without any ego, and you get out, your not part of the solution but your not part of the problem, your just walking the line in between. The scene really could use more people with love for what they do, and people who take pride in their work.

That is what so many kids lack these days. Diligence, pride in their work( cars, the way they look, and how they act), respect and heart.


Also, Jack, nice one, I agree on a lot of what you said.

[ILoveMyRHS13]

I would bet you that the gentleman operating that vehicle has a very nice S13 sitting at home. You physically cannot "have a missile car" if you do not have another similar car that looks awesome, you can try - but then, sooner or later, you realize you just drive a shitty car.
S13? I would hope he would have a Chaser or something.

[ayuaddict]

S13? I would hope he would have a Chaser or something.

Some people really like the S13. haha.

Plus, anybody can afford a JZX90 in shitty condition if he wanted one as a "missile".

[nathanong87]

i dont even know what drifting is. i just tried to make my car look like ones i saw from japan

[import madness]

nothing sorry

[dat411kid]

Hrmmmmmmmm...

I will continue to build cars how I like them and drift in 2012...

and 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016 and so on...

I stopped paying attention to what every one else is doing and just focused on what I want to do.



That's about rite....In everything there will be those that come and go...And those that stay until....

[ixfxi]

Okay, ifxi NEVER owned a primered car, or rattle canned to shit car. NEVER will.

my car was primired for 3 years. but that was when it sat and sat at the shady body shop.

[ch1873857]

america...fuck yeah. comin again to save the motha fuckin dayeee yeahhhhh.

i admire this thread. a lot of people are finally putting out what they have thought for a long time. i can relate a lot to this thread. i didnt even have my license when drifting came out. hell drifting wasnt existant here when i got into 240s. i still love to watch it, i go to every event i can but the cars get shittier and shittier.

if anyone has been to hyperfest on the east coast youll know what i mean. first couple years it was amazing. the cars sounded great, they looked awesome. couldnt get enough of it. i remember brian wilkerson always getting second place in his frankenstein car and acted like he won just because he went out there and had a fuckin ball. he didnt care he almost won. at least it sure didnt look like it anyway.. then it started go downhill. every car has an ls1, less 240s and more 350s, solstices, etc.. just wasnt the average joe i just wanna go out there, have the time of my life and look cool doing it. the last hyperfest i went to was last year. i walked out before it was over. i was more entertained by the drunk dudes fighting in the stands.

but hey thats just me.

drifting to me is me and my buddies at the shop getting our cars ready for the weekend till 3 or 4 in the morning. mounting tires. repainting fenders and bumpers. and rolling out in a 5 car convoy to the track. and having an awesome weekend. its all about fun to me and hanging out with my buddies. getting away from the wife for a weekend. helping eachother learn. if it were about whos better and who gets more angle then i wouldve been done years ago. if i didnt have my buddies to go with, i would be done.

end rant/

i mean come on. look how gay we are. i love it.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/39666_144396648920919_100000517543333_370749_78145 77_n.jpg

[Brian]

Okay, ifxi NEVER owned a primered car, or rattle canned to shit car. NEVER will.
I will never quit liking my car.

Let's just say all of us here are male and like women, but then one day all the guys you know who are your friends, started liking guys, would you start to like guys? I wouldnt, just stay true to YOURSELF!!!

Brian Harte, everyone misses you, and talks of you like you were some god, but you know for someone who has the last name Harte you kinda show a lacking of it. No offense, I understand, a lot of my friends have called it quits just because they are getting tired of being lumped into a group of guys who have bad style. I really wish you would have stuck it out. But if you are doing something you love and guys ruin it, like the guys with bad style and cheap ass ghetto cars with no pride or without any ego, and you get out, your not part of the solution but your not part of the problem, your just walking the line in between. The scene really could use more people with love for what they do, and people who take pride in their work.

That is what so many kids lack these days. Diligence, pride in their work( cars, the way they look, and how they act), respect and heart.


Also, Jack, nice one, I agree on a lot of what you said.

The real question is, should you take what I write in this thread as truth or possibly B.S words that amuse me at the moment?
:ssex:

[codyace]

I'd blame most of it on the internet (forums).

Gone is the ability to hang out and have fun, and not stress; in was the internet superstar, who was more hardcore than the next. I think forums are the biggest reason for this, as it's enabled shitty cars to be 'hero' cars, and labled those 'doing it right' as pretentious or all about money...when it couldn't be further from the truth. This is prevelent in almost all 'car' circles now, and it's kinda crappy. I'm thankful that my group of friends can hang out regardless of the cars, and not even focus on them (even though it's our common bond).


I don't know about other areas, but DRAMA is definitely making drifting gay in the north east. It's like highschool in some places; it's pathetic.

I'm not even into drifting, and can sense that at some of the events I've been too. Again, it's all about being in the cool guy club now, instead of having fun.



Oh man that is so bad I want to punch myself for posting it.
OH AND PLEASE STOP BRINGING UGLY CHICKS WITH YOU TO THE TRACK! No one wants to see that mess.

A couple of us made this same point at the last drifting event we attended...the lack of talent was mindblowing.

+1 for roadcourse guys here, at least they can afford some decent broads to waltz around the pits.

[!Zar!]

I think the forums aren't necessarily glorifying shitty cars, but glorifying nicely built cars. For some reason the poor people think we are in some imaginary race to throw the most parts possible at a car as quickly as they can. That is where bad judgment comes in and people start going cheap, or say, 'fuckit'. The result is shitty looking cars that kids have built.

Then those same kids claim that they are hardcore in the, 'scene' because they slapped on some $600 coilovers, and a $400 set of XXR's while they meet up at their local boba spot with their shit-buckets.





Anyways, whooooooooo go american driftingggggg!
http://omgpancakes.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/atl15.jpg

[carmaniac1993]

how does being 18 mean anything? im 18 years old and ive been in love with drifting ever since i can remember honestly. i have no fucked up view of drifting. i just love having fun sideways and building my car

i cant believe you just said that......... you must be 18. edit, nevermind 20. that makes sense.

[EhrikETFG]

The age remark was directed at someone who said that drifting only became popular because of tokyo drift. I imagine if youre 18 and a nice car he wouldnt care. Its just that most people your(and my) age suck.

[carmaniac1993]

alright, i know exactly what you mean about my generation sucking. sometime it just bugs me how people generalize though. lol

[codyace]

I think the forums aren't necessarily glorifying shitty cars, but glorifying nicely built cars. For some reason the poor people think we are in some imaginary race to throw the most parts possible at a car as quickly as they can. That is where bad judgment comes in and people start going cheap, or say, 'fuckit'. The result is shitty looking cars that kids have built.

You said it better than I could! That's the root issue to me, I just wasn't sure how to type what I was thinking :D The big thing most of the new guys don't seem to have is the devotion/dedication/lack of attention that some of the older guys had; and that doesn't mean that a car with less mods is worse, it's just that so many people are content with saying 'fuckit' that it's really reduced overall quality and care.

[Zero-Offset]

Hrmmmmmmmm...

I will continue to build cars how I like them and drift in 2012...

and 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016 and so on...

I stopped paying attention to what every one else is doing and just focused on what I want to do.

BH #1 (you'll be back buddy)


thank you for saying this. it needed to be said.
build your car the way YOU like. in the end its your money, and it should bring YOU satisfaction most importantly.

[95KA-Turbo]

The problem isn't what people do to their cars, its how they do it.

There is this unexplainable thing Japan has that the US just doesn't collectively have. You can feel it in the air when you're there, when you see peoples cars over there - even the ones that don't look good - you can feel it coming from the car.

When you build a car you should be breaking yourself down to the smallest levels and fully immerse yourself in what you're doing. Then when you have the finished product part of yourself is in it and others will be able to feel it when they look at your car.

I think this is why some cars can have the same exact stuff on it and one will feel completely different then the other.

I think Wagners car is an excellent example of that. Its red, has uras, widebody, battles, and it isn't very low - none of those things should make it extraordinary, but it has a presence that cars with 'rarer' parts don't have.

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Linhbergh2011/June2011/guestblogs/danjenkinsECB/IMG_9081.jpg

[Freddy]

For some reason the poor people think we are in some imaginary race to throw the most parts possible at a car as quickly as they can.

well said, well said

[azndoc]

How about a smashed in driver side door pillar?

:)

Just so we're clear, BH made me spin because he asked me to slow down so his shitty KA could catch up and I have never ever driven that slow in my life.

Blam


lol, but seriously I drove the car like a maniac after that because from then on I just didn't care and it was great.

[iamtheyi]

So, the basic consensus here is that because I'm not ballersauce, and rather spend money on actual parts/tires/track time, instead of a paint job, I should just not be part of the scene because my car is ugly? lol. Haters.

[ILoveMyRHS13]

So, the basic consensus here is that because I'm not ballersauce, and rather spend money on actual parts/tires/track time, instead of a paint job, I should just not be part of the scene because my car is ugly? lol. Haters.
Do what you will, no one will ever stop you. We're just trying to say we don't enjoy watching the ugly cars. It doesn't matter if you're good, if your car is ugly, no one will watch you drift.

I'd rather see a sexy looking car spinning out or not "killing it" then see an ugly car "killing it."

[Kingbaby]

So, the basic consensus here is that because I'm not ballersauce, and rather spend money on actual parts/tires/track time, instead of a paint job, I should just not be part of the scene because my car is ugly? lol. Haters.

Technically no!

That a ugly car isn't and shouldn't be considered cool to the point "kids" do it on purpose!

[!Zar!]

Nobody gives a fuck about ugly cars on the track.

[Brian]

Just so we're clear, BH made me spin because he asked me to slow down so his shitty KA could catch up and I have never ever driven that slow in my life.

Blam


lol, but seriously I drove the car like a maniac after that because from then on I just didn't care and it was great.

I'll have to agree with the reasoning.

[iamtheyi]

Nobody gives a fuck about ugly cars on the track.

lol I don't give a fuck about anyone else at the track either as long as they're not doing stupid shit and I'm having a good time :].

Just wanted to add that the car is a work in progress. It'll get sprayed at some point. Just not now :D

[tricky_ab]

I think the forums aren't necessarily glorifying shitty cars, but glorifying nicely built cars. For some reason the poor people think we are in some imaginary race to throw the most parts possible at a car as quickly as they can. That is where bad judgment comes in and people start going cheap, or say, 'fuckit'. The result is shitty looking cars that kids have built.

Then those same kids claim that they are hardcore in the, 'scene' because they slapped on some $600 coilovers, and a $400 set of XXR's while they meet up at their local boba spot with their shit-buckets.



I totally agree with this. For me, I do the research and buy the parts that fit my need. I'm willing to spend in order to get the most out of the part in question. If that makes me "baller" for choosing to spend cash then so be it. Everyone has a budget, but some will take the time to save to get the parts they want, where others will cop out...

Another thing is that people love to be the "internet hero" and want instant gratification from others. This is happening with various car brands though. You know the score, where people build amazing cars. Then they get a feature in a magazine and then sell it because the are "finished".

People need to build cars for themselves and not for internet bro respect.

[illvialuver]

So, the basic consensus here is that because I'm not ballersauce, and rather spend money on actual parts/tires/track time, instead of a paint job, I should just not be part of the scene because my car is ugly? lol. Haters.



Totally missing the point. If YOU CANT AFFORD BALLER PARTS IT DOESNT MEAN TO PUT JUNK ASS SHIT ON YOUR CAR. Although you may think you are making a race car, it doesn't mean it is a race to make the a finished product. If you want wheels, buy the best ones you can afford, and in a good size, don't buy things just for the sake of not having stock parts, try to save and buy important things. But WHATEVER YOU DO, just take pride in your car. Like keep it clean, take care of maintenance, sure it may not be as fun as buying aftermarket parts, but it is just as important.

This is not a snobbish ballers only club. I have given guys props with nice ride highth and g35 or z wheels. and clean paint.



BH, touche. Good point, but thanks for bringing it up. This is the internet and people will take things seriously. I don't personally know you, met you maybe a few times, so maybe I just took it the wrong way, and if I did, I know others did. But I think people should stick things out if they love them. If you really like something, don't quit it when you run into problems. Or because the scene is filling up with asshats and fucktards.

Maybe I am just too much of an enthusiast, and Nissans are my life, and my passion, so maybe I am wrong to assume that people should have as much heart or enthusiasm as me.


Almost all my friends are from my involvement in this scene or industry. I am here to have a good time, and to make friends, my love of cars and the people I have met through them, has brought me many good things in my life, and I look forward to more good times and good people. I am not here for people to think I am cool.


Tricky AB, HIGH FIVE!

[FaLKoN240]

I can't afford real wheels. I bought these new Rotas in a similar style for $800 instead of $2400 (when you could've bought a set of used wheels for that price)

I crashed my car and don't have money for paint, so I just bought a different color fender. I primered just that fender, then decided to primer the entire car until I save up enough money to paint it one day. *two years later* ...car is still primered.

Etc.

Crappy mindset, crappy execution, and rushed builds. That is why we have shit cars.

[azndoc]

Hi, I did not have the money for brand name condoms and so I just used this Doritos bag instead.

[kouki_steve]

Bodykits. WTF. Never picked up the memo that you needed to run dmax/origin/etc style
on EVERY 240, much less that drifts to even be considered. Regardless of paint,
theres more shitty ass multicolored body kit 240's that this forum
CREAMS over, then clean sexy STOCK styled 240's. It's very sad.

I guess I'm just one of those guys, (the rare), that would rather stay stock
body. How/what the car REALLY looks like, effective wheel fitment and height, maybe
a factory lip. ENJOY it. THE end.

I also say, that d1 should be divided according to horsepower. not a poor
sr20 s15 turbo vs an ls7. both nice looking maybe, but both completely out
of each others level. Lets get it all fair again, and bring the competition
to the WIRE. not landslide. grassroots style

[Imarvin240]

its absolutly amazing how much truth is in this thread...and its also really sad with how bad it has gotten in the "drifting, 240, and just the overall car enthusiast" scenes.

[!Zar!]

Hi, I did not have the money for brand name condoms and so I just used this Doritos bag instead.

LOL This is perfect.

[blingbling]

Hi, I did not have the money for brand name condoms and so I just used this Doritos bag instead.

Now I have 2 children, no money, and my s13 is STILL ROCKS PRIMER.

[lflkajfj12123]

Hi, I did not have the money for brand name condoms and so I just used this Doritos bag instead.

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[upsdude]

There is this unexplainable thing Japan has that the US just doesn't collectively have. You can feel it in the air when you're there, when you see peoples cars over there - even the ones that don't look good - you can feel it coming from the car.


it's called pride in ownership-some people have it, some just don't

[deolio]

It'll get sprayed at some point. Just not now :D

if you put the time and effort in you can make a cheap roller-paint job look fairly decent.

[codyace]

it's called pride in ownership-some people have it, some just don't

I'm sure anyone with prior service understand when I say this, as it's all about

'attention to detail'

...that's what seperates the cool guys from the car guys.

[tricky_ab]

Hi, I did not have the money for brand name condoms and so I just used this Doritos bag instead.

Somebody buy this man a beer...Real talk!

[iamtheyi]

if you put the time and effort in you can make a cheap roller-paint job look fairly decent.

I AM rollering it :]. Just finished prepping the car. A few little touch ups and I'm set to go. Starting next week on thursday :D.

[mkezzo16]

Digging this thread..i agree with you guys..even though im not an og 240sx dude and didnt have one back in the day..i been watching drifting since b4 it blew up in the US..and notice the changes ..only reason this wasnt my first ride cuz pops got me a clean mr2 b4 i even got my L's but i agree..keep ya car clean no matter what

[95KA-Turbo]

I AM rollering it :]. Just finished prepping the car. A few little touch ups and I'm set to go. Starting next week on thursday :D.

If I could make a suggestion - as someone who has roller painted a previous car - you're better off borrowing/renting a gun and compressor from someone and making a makeshift paint booth. I spent like 6 days doing the roller job when I could have spent 2 days using real car paint and like another 100 bucks...and it would have looked better.

OR

If you are set on using the roller method, use boat paint, its self leveling and will come out way smoother.

[illvialuver]

I don't see how everyone having the same motor in similar cars are not fair.

[T chop]

People get so caught up in trying to be different, or doing as many cheap "mods" as possible, but the end result is usually an ugly POS. A low, stock bodied car with nice wheels can still look nice and not be expensive.

Somebody post that "build shitty car, call everyone haters" gif.

[upsdude]

I don't see how everyone having the same motor in similar cars are not fair.

i think their gripe is that people are dropping in v8's and going for the 300+ hp from a stock motor vs. squeezing every last bit of power/potential out of the stock motor (sr/ka). there's no pride, no challenge...kinda like beating a game with cheat codes instead of actually playing the game.

I'm not into drifting much but you can tell it's intent is finesse and style; not raw power like, say, a drag race...from the drift itself to the appearance of the car it's all about how you look. then here come the damn americans with their boorish v8's turning the ballet into a moshpit.

but that's my interpretation of OP's complaint along with other comments i've read.

[Royal_T]

Man just read through this whole thread. And I agree with almost all of you..

I just hate seeing the route that drifting has taken in these past couple of years. We have lost the true meaning of drifting . which is style, and just going out there and having fun. I do however give it up to those in the professional world that are trying to keep the style in the sport. (Speaking of Mad Mike). One that has the power and yet still keeps the style.

[codyace]

Somebody post that "build shitty car, call everyone haters" gif.


hahaha that would be an awesome one to see

[!Zar!]

i think their gripe is that people are dropping in v8's and going for the 300+ hp from a stock motor vs. squeezing every last bit of power/potential out of the stock motor (sr/ka). there's no pride, no challenge...kinda like beating a game with cheat codes instead of actually playing the game.

I'm not into drifting much but you can tell it's intent is finesse and style; not raw power like, say, a drag race...from the drift itself to the appearance of the car it's all about how you look. then here come the damn americans with their boorish v8's turning the ballet into a moshpit.

but that's my interpretation of OP's complaint along with other comments i've read.

That's funny, because I know plenty of people in FD who have and still are pouring money into their engine setups.

FD is not cheap by any means, and nobody is going to purposely put themselves on their back foot (financially and competitively/reliability) just because they want to impress some kids who have some weird engine/chassis purity issues.

There is nothing wrong with v8 drifting. As long as the drivers are having fun that is all that matters.

[upsdude]

There is nothing wrong with v8 drifting. As long as the drivers are having fun that is all that matters.


i don't see the issue either i was just sayin

[Johny5]

don't mean to point/counterpoint

but to some people fun is a lot of horsepower and amusing "racecar" parts :)

to some people fun is primered vehicles

to some people crazy low with ziptied bodykits is really fun

those 3 categories that i just came up with off the top of my head... are all having fun doing it. and thats the point of it all.

[illvialuver]

yeah well here is the difference to me.

Some people with primered crap part ziptie to all hell cars will see a car like Nate, Obees, BH, and many others and break necks, and jock, but you wont find me double taking on a purposefully broken stock or aftermarket aero with junk parts and poor fitting wheels.


The problem is more and more people are thinking it is cool to have a car that looks like dicks.

[ericcastro]

But it is also getting way to serious and losing what made it so cool,.........

Like,..... having fun???

Somewhere along the way we forgot that above all things...cars are supposed to look cool. ........
oh, I thought I was into racing because it was fun and exciting and challenging....
.....guess we all should just be building garage queens for HIN ??


http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/3793/keepdrifting.png




Ernie's car is hilarious.
And its meant to be that way.
Its a big joke, and supposed to look all "gay".

So whats wrong with people that they cant laugh once in awhile and have some fun??
Why cant he use his car as a joke since the amazingly built V8 vert comes out about twice a year?? (irwindale and ASB this year) (get the coming out pun??:cj:)

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/255616_229154587111819_100000518371397_995224_7709 928_n.jpg
Having fun with his kids.
Something I am sure he cares a lot more about then making sure his car impresses a bunch of other kids.



While I agree with most of what people said on here is correct regarding the transformation of drifting I also understand that with time things change. Everyone bitches about how America ruined drifting, but I believe American drifting just evolved into something using what we have available. The V8 trend did not ruin drifting in America, it is just an engine that is more reliable and competitive than your SR and RB motors. Yes, SR and RB can also put out 4-600 horse powers, but I believe with a V8 you get there faster and more reliable. Formula D is exciting for the certain aspects of things such as watching your friends drive or mostly just for the entertainment aspect. You don't have to take it too seriously, it does not affect you if you do not want it to be.

Drifting is for you and for no one else and that's what I believe. You can do it at your leisure, the sport may not always be here in the form of competitive driving or local drift events, but as long as you have a car and a track of sorts you can do it all by yourself. For me it was always about going out with friends and having fun, friends pushing each other to be a better driver, and really just a great place to be on a nice Saturday. The more concern you have over how FD is or why no one builds awesome cars the more you step away from the true value of what the sport is.

People are going to build shitty cars and that is just the way it is, fuck it, it just makes my car look that much better. Also, "missile cars" usually started off as nice cars and eventually just took on the form of a shitty looking car because of crashes and hard driving, you can't make a shitty looking car and call it a "missile car" just because you know it is a shitty looking car to begin with.

Be a better driver yourselves is the most important concern everyone should have. If you love cars then you should love driving as well. If you care about your car and have pride in it then you should provide great parts to your car so that the performance level is at its best. If you love to show your car off because you love your car then the exterior of your car should be one color and painted. Also, please do not put care into everything else else and run cheesy wheels, it ruins all of the other hard work.

Driving a nice looking car gives you a better feeling that is hard to describe, but driving it to the max while others baby their shit is a even better feeling.

agreed

http://bhworld.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/asb-12.jpg



Before you get Brians cock to far into your mouth, lets be clear about his cars.
They never saw much track time, and the legendary blue one above was well on its way to looking like a missile.
So BH got rid of it, built a S13 for a couple years, drifted ASB and maybe another event and that was it.
I would wager to say that between the two cars, they only saw the track maybe 20 times??
BH ??

What I am saying is showing pictures of "show" style cars and telling people its what their drift car should look like is silly.
(BTW, thats a ziptie holding his bumper up)


I stopped paying attention to what every one else is doing and just focused on what I want to do.

Me too, and that was driving :)

The result is shitty looking cars that kids have built.
I also do think it takes a little practice to get building cars right.
Its not like the first time you dressed yourself it looked great, lol.
Because of the money with cars though, its a slow process and you get stuck with bad kits, paint, rims, fitment and other things till you can afford to come back and make a change.

Then those same kids claim that they are hardcore in the, 'scene' because they slapped on some $600 coilovers, and a $400 set of XXR's while they meet up at their local boba spot with their shit-buckets.

my setup has been doing great for the last 2 years.
(minus the bucket, i just tighten the 4 point till i cant breath)




lol, but seriously I drove the car like a maniac after that because from then on I just didn't care and it was great.
What I have tried to explain for years.

it's called pride in ownership-some people have it, some just don't
Thats just a redic statment.
It all depends on what you want to do with your car.
For me its a $1500 car. Its bought as a expendable toy to beat the shit out of. Why would I be so stupid as to piss money into the astetics when its just gonna keep getting its teeth kicked in? lmao!!

My money goes to much more important things.
Cars are for fun, you cant take them with you when you die, and they dont build wells in africa or save starving children.
I suggest people start having more fun and stop judging things they dont even understand.

If you like to build great looking cars, cool! I love looking at them, so thankyou.
But If you dont track the shit out of your car, then you have no comprehension of what its like to try and maintain a track car, let alone the astetics of it!


i think their gripe is that people are dropping in v8's and going for the 300+ hp from a stock motor vs. squeezing every last bit of power/potential out of the stock motor (sr/ka). there's no pride, no challenge...kinda like beating a game with cheat codes instead of actually playing the game.
nothing like it.
Putting a V8 in is more like passing mario level 1-1, and being able to play the rest of the game finally.
There is so much more you can do with power, and so much more fun to be had, and you can fill up at a regular pump and get parts locally.


I'm not into drifting much but you can tell it's intent is finesse and style; not raw power like, say, a drag race...from the drift itself to the appearance of the car it's all about how you look. then here come the damn americans with their boorish v8's turning the ballet into a moshpit.


You do understand the Japanese are running 1000hp drift cars??
Its Raw power AND torque, along with style and its competitive.
I would say the Power actually free's you up to have style and finess.

In my 140HP KA, I usually can only take 1 line, and cant get much style or finese, had I more HP, i could do so much more, and get more angle, and speed.



I would bet that over half the people on here havent even been to the track 12 times.
There are two kinds of owners on here, and people should realize and respect it.

People that build great looking cars (or attempt to),
and people that bought the cars for track use.

The track use people dont care to much what it looks like.
Forseburgs missle,
Essa's missle
Matt Powers coming to ASB with his door taped on

All these people realize the track is about having fun.
Making the car look "cool" is second to a good time.

So if your into building cool looking cars, go for it, we dont talk much shit about you spending 3K on rims for a $1,200 shit box. And we like the way they turn out and say positive things.
So it would be nice if you could return the favor to the people that have fun driving the cars and make all the parts your using available.

[namawon]

Do it because you love it, and you have fun. If it isnt fun, move on.

That being said, I love my s13. Its a 21 year old car. I baby the hell out of it. I probably do to many oil changes. Wash it constantly. I think if your really a fan of a certain car or "scene" you should learn about it. Love it. But at the end of the day its a hobby(unless your one of the really lucky ones that can make it there day job.) and you have hobbys because its fun and interests you. Do it for you, not because the scene says so.

[Hawiann22]

Im so glad i sold my 240sx befor their prices crashed... :P
Plus i cant stand getting lowballed constantly, only happens when you sell 240sx parts -.-

[tricky_ab]

Im so glad i sold my 240sx befor their prices crashed... :P
Plus i cant stand getting lowballed constantly, only happens when you sell 240sx parts -.-


There's broke asses everywhere...

[blingbling]

There's no way im going to quote that, but thanks for that delightful post eric. Finally saying what needs to be said.

[illvialuver]

I dont know about al this, you only have fun if you drive a p.o.s missile car, and if your car looks nice you must not drive it.

First off, you don't street a missile, if it is a track car save that p.o.s for the track.
If you choose to drive a missile on the street that looks like a bag of dicks, then don't be confused when people who take pride in themselves and their cars that are on the street dis you or hate how they are lumped in the same crowd as you. You could have a stock body S13 with s14 se wheels and clean stock paint, and I would take that over a shitbox missile car for the streets.

If you loved to shovel shit, and that is what you did, you would have to understand peoples dislike of you if you wore your shit shoveling clothes to public places.

I understand that their should be a difference between a track car, and a street car, if your going to have both at least look presentable.

[driftprincess]

On my way home from work I had seen a rattle can purple 240 with lovely lime green spayed crappy rims. I could already hear his explanation in my head...

"So um, you going to paint this thing?"..."Nah bro, it's my drift slut. It's just going to get messed up so why do it?!"

Well its a good thing that car isn't rattle canned Oh and its also good that I'm a girl - try putting some glasses on.
Not to mention I had just been drifting at Mosport. Try not talking shit and get your facts straight. not everyone can spend all their money on multiple sets of expensive rims and shit or have little hard parking show queens I'd take a drift slut over that anyday. I drift, I have fun fuck everything else.

[udon!]

Eric castro youre stuck in the past.

Time to grow up buddy.

[Houseof1817]

What in the loindenberry, OB made quite the roast! zilvia redundancy!

[doomviillain]

I dont mind the drift scene now, but I just love old school japanese 90's style when it was kept simple. Everyone's car is gonna look different whether we like it or not because their finances, circumstances, opinions, and point of views are different than ours, or because maybe there in the process of building it. All in all, most of us are enthusiasts, just done differently.

[Karlitos]

Yeah, I might be considered a bandwagon jumper, too young to know what the past was like. And I agree with that, but I feel like Castro hit it exactly right...

What I feel "killed" drifting was the illest/hellaflush movement. When all these people started to build cars for show and getting that HF approved sticker and cared more about looks but never drove their car... It was a show car, and guess what it LOOKS cool, yeah, but why dont you drive it more often? itll look cooler driven than parked. The answer is because too much money was spent on a cheap car that they cant risk damadging 3000 rims/ 5000 paint job etc...

While people focused more on tracking their car, are about the driving, getting out their and having fun. Having parts you can afford and driving your best. Doesnt matter if theirs battles/rotas and not hella negative offset JDM rims, as long as your driving, thats the point.

Yeah call me part of the problem that killed drifting, but i feel like my priority is too drive better then make my car look cool. Even then, i still keep my car looking decent since its a DD.

My 2cents.

[OBEEWON]

Yeah we def got WAY off subject.

Im seeing a lot of people taking this personal.

Good.

Money Doesn't buy style.

Lower your car and get over it.

[Dax]

http://motormavens.com/emAlbum/albums/Dax%20Rodriguez/Event%20Coverage/D1GP/Irwindale%202006/IMG_9922_d1GP_irwindale_s13_240sx.jpg

[irritatedmax]

The topic of this thread is along the lines "lower equals cool" and "keep drift cars cool." I agree with both but must say there isn't a direct correlation between a good performing car being a shitty looking car. Some people manage to have both.

OB, your rubbing caused you to spin. There was an easy solution; why not fix the problem? I'd rather raise my car a smidgen than piss away a track day. Low cars are cool, but low cars that work are cooler, yeah? [This is the only part directed to you, the rest is general statements.]

On the topic of drifting, e-cool kids with lousy attitudes, self righteous views, and a desire to look cool by quoting 2001 spec JDM vids and mags want us all to believe someone or something "killed drifting"...but, if anything, I'd say drifting is more alive and well than ever. More events are popping up, a lot of amateur series are forming, and the sport is progressing. That's all positive from my point of view.

On the topic of V8's, what's the best bang for the buck engine in the US? The LSx. What's the best bang for the buck engine in Japan? The 1/2JZ. They don't have a readily available cheap V8 engine to swap, so they use the equivalent from their market. Do you get it? It's the same mentality - swap what will net you the most power and prove most reliable. The 1/2JZ is the Japanese LSx. Get over V8's in drifting.

[azndoc]

I drifted on brand new TE37s and had six more as spares.

Sup

[irritatedmax]

I drifted on brand new TE37s and had six more as spares.

Sup

You ball on a level we all hope to attain.

[iamtheyi]

You ball on a level we all hope to attain.

Agreed :]. So jealous of his ballersauceness

[DriftDreamsInc.]

Eric castro youre stuck in the past.

Time to grow up buddy.

I must say most the time when Eric posts I dont give a shit about what he's saying... With that said I agree with him completely... He is speaking from a drivers point of view which 75% of the members on here are not. If you get your kicks by daily driving a well built "show queen" then do so and be happy about it... But don't bash on the people who actually take there cars to the track and use them for what they are built for. I'd prefer to see a 240 that's actually driven over a show queen any day, I consider myself a driver and that's what I do... I drive... And yes I daily my car also. Tell me how many 240's you seen slammed with low offset wheels before drifting became popular? The style of a drift car came from exactly that, cars that were driven and drifted. Key word DRIVEN... and mostly sponsored with budgets most of us are nowhere near... So I'll continue to drive my multicolored "bag of dicks" and do so with a smile :2f2f: but don't talk shit because you stole some styling cues from a drift car, built one and don't use it for that purpose... Stay to your own, get your own... Simple

[brndck]

ok can we sum up? don't drive a car that looks like a bag of dicks.
period.

can we all learn from NZ?
seems like everyone there is making most of us look like we're in the stone age.
c's garage, engineered to slide, etc. these guys aren't rich by any means, but they do take the time to always make sure their cars are on point.

[One_love_silvia]

I'm just gonna start carrying a pair of side cutters and cutting every ziptie I see hanging from peoples bumpers, etc.

I'm so tired of people who refuse to cut they're zipties and drive around so proudly with their destroyed aero with the car having more ground clearance than stock. People who make excuses for not being low also get on my nerves, if your not into low cars all you have to do is say it, nobody needs to hear how shitty your streets are or how bad your parents driveway is.

Everyone needs to hop into a time machine. Bring back 2001 please.

if u live in a city with shitty roads and speed bumps everywhere, not lowering ur car because of that isnt an excuse. its a fact.

actually its quite contradictory of what everyone is saying.

you say "slam ur car man! there shouldnt even be an inch from ur car and the ground!"
and u also say "ur car shouldnt look like a pos man. u need to take better care of it and make it look better!"

ok well, if u live in a city with speed bumps and shitty roads everywhere, u cant have the best of both worlds. if ur car is too low, u will scrape. if theres shitty roads and ur car is too low, ur kit will get fucked up. fucked up kit = ugly car.

in other words, people who say "they cant lower their car that much because theres shitty roads everywhere" isnt an excuse. theyre doing it to keep their car from making fireworks with the ground every second, and fucking up their body/kit/paint. tldr: they raise their car so it doesnt get fucked up so it looks nicer.


i know that for myself, when the time comes to get a kit, im going to buy quality shit that fits well and not knock off shit. and when im spending over a thousand dollars on my body kit, im going to do my best to avoid scraping the fuck out of it.
I must say most the time when Eric posts I dont give a shit about what he's saying... With that said I agree with him completely... He is speaking from a drivers point of view which 75% of the members on here are not. If you get your kicks by daily driving a well built "show queen" then do so and be happy about it... But don't bash on the people who actually take there cars to the track and use them for what they are built for. I'd prefer to see a 240 that's actually driven over a show queen any day, I consider myself a driver and that's what I do... I drive... And yes I daily my car also. Tell me how many 240's you seen slammed with low offset wheels before drifting became popular? The style of a drift car came from exactly that, cars that were driven and drifted. Key word DRIVEN... and mostly sponsored with budgets most of us are nowhere near... So I'll continue to drive my multicolored "bag of dicks" and do so with a smile :2f2f: but don't talk shit because you stole some styling cues from a drift car, built one and don't use it for that purpose... Stay to your own, get your own... Simple

not to mention i believe thats where stretched tires came from as well. correct me if im wrong, but i believe with the correct amount of stretch, it stiffens your side wall, which is in some way good for drifting. i cant remember the exact reason why as of right now though.

[OBEEWON]

My slanted investigative research has yielded these results:

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/7638/quitcrying.png


Also I drive to and through Manhatten, The Bronx, and Queens on the regular and have yet to lose a body panel in there...

[95KA-Turbo]

They must have done all of their surveys in Northern Virginia when they were checking out the roads.

[irritatedmax]

"I drive on shitty roads" is an excuse no matter which way you slice it. There are ways to drive low cars - special routes and a little extra caution. I'd rather people say "I don't like the hassle of driving a low car (I therefore settle for chump status)."

[tricky_ab]

Well its a good thing that car isn't rattle canned Oh and its also good that I'm a girl - try putting some glasses on.
Not to mention I had just been drifting at Mosport. Try not talking shit and get your facts straight. not everyone can spend all their money on multiple sets of expensive rims and shit or have little hard parking show queens I'd take a drift slut over that anyday. I drift, I have fun fuck everything else.

Now I feel kinda bad. Well I'm glad to hear that you enjoy yourself on the track, and that it's a prodominantly a track car. That doesn't change that I hate the look of it driving on th streets.


ok can we sum up? don't drive a car that looks like a bag of dicks.
period.

can we all learn from NZ?
seems like everyone there is making most of us look like we're in the stone age.
c's garage, engineered to slide, etc. these guys aren't rich by any means, but they do take the time to always make sure their cars are on point.

OMG THIS!!!! X18397272389390. Seriously they don't have all the money in the world (Hell C's Garage cars were built in a home garage). they look AMAZING and they drive the hell out of them.

[ericcastro]

First off, you don't street a missile, if it is a track car save that p.o.s for the track.

Ummm, I do.
and i remember the days when it would get taken to the touge or a street spot weekly.
That was the whole point.


Me personally, I enjoy driving a track car on the street.
Kinda like how some people like driving rat rods on the street.
Its not for everyone.
But there is something about the simplicity and it being stripped down to the bare essentials of what performance is, and nothing else.
I could go on about James Dean, Paul Newman, Jay Leno and Tim Allen being part of this club,....but thats another discussion.

Eric castro youre stuck in the past.

Time to grow up buddy.
Udon, the only person stuck in the past is you.
Stop showing pictures from really old drift cars right after their builds.
Maybe drift your car a few times at some tracks or competitions before you talk about something you know nothing about.

... He is speaking from a drivers point of view which 75% of the members on here are not.
Its like watching people in a sports bar talk about what they would do if they were in the superbowl.
Being an actual driver will change you 100%.
And when you are out there with the Pro's on the track, you realize they are of the same mind state.
Its about hte driving and performance first.
and thats all aspects of motorsports.


OMG THIS!!!! X18397272389390. Seriously they don't have all the money in the world (Hell C's Garage cars were built in a home garage). they look AMAZING and they drive the hell out of them.

Its also their life and business.
I would hope their shit was together.

This is a hobby to almost everyone here.

[ixfxi]

Like,..... having fun???

Why would I be so stupid as to piss money into the astetics when its just gonna keep getting its teeth kicked in? lmao!!

If you like to build great looking cars, cool! I love looking at them, so thankyou.
But If you dont track the shit out of your car, then you have no comprehension of what its like to try and maintain a track car, let alone the astetics of it!

nothing like it.
Putting a V8 in is more like passing mario level 1-1, and being able to play the rest of the game finally.

So it would be nice if you could return the favor to the people that have fun driving the cars and make all the parts your using available.

First off, you don't street a missile, if it is a track car save that p.o.s for the track. If you choose to drive a missile on the street that looks like a bag of dicks, then don't be confused when people who take pride in themselves and their cars that are on the street dis you or hate how they are lumped in the same crowd as you.


eric, your heap was a disgrace on the streets.. thats the reason i didnt like it. just like the above quote, if you want to track a "missile" then keep that fucking HEAP OF SHIT off the streets of LA. the last thing I'de like is to see that thing losing parts as its driving down the road; that goes for an s13 or ANY car out there. its a shame this country isnt more strict about testing street cars for meeting certain automotive standards.

as for having fun with a missile, thats all fine and dandy. tow that shit to the track and when parts fall off of it, pick them up. when they leak oil, wipe it up. clean up after your own shit. its embarrassing going to a meet with shitty 240's that are neglected.


Well its a good thing that car isn't rattle canned Oh and its also good that I'm a girl - try putting some glasses on.
Not to mention I had just been drifting at Mosport. Try not talking shit and get your facts straight. not everyone can spend all their money on multiple sets of expensive rims and shit or have little hard parking show queens I'd take a drift slut over that anyday. I drift, I have fun fuck everything else.

wah wah wah, nothing worse than hearing a girl talk tough in a man's sport. green rims? regardless if youre a man or woman... you're an idiot.


Ummm, I do.
and i remember the days when it would get taken to the touge or a street spot weekly.
That was the whole point.

Me personally, I enjoy driving a track car on the street.
Kinda like how some people like driving rat rods on the street.
Its not for everyone.
But there is something about the simplicity and it being stripped down to the bare essentials of what performance is, and nothing else.
I could go on about James Dean, Paul Newman, Jay Leno and Tim Allen being part of this club,....but thats another discussion.

eric, i go on the leno garage website all the time. i dont recall once ever seeing him driving a HEAP OF SHIT that is held together with vinyl. you want to drive an old car, a car that is all original.. fine. keep it repaired and keep that mothafucka running tip-top. jay has a full staff working on his cars, you dont.

i respect eric a lot though, i think he has a healthy attitude towards driving. the way i see it, in the end the most important thing is to drive... and constantly drive if you want to become a better driver. street or track, it makes no difference. some people hit the track and think it makes them better, it doesnt. ive ran circles around friends who track, that doesnt matter. all that matters is that you practice, and you dont even have to race down public streets. there is a lot you learn about cars at low speed, smoothness and balancing that occurs just through natural time behind the wheel.

remember, even rocky balboa made his face look good in rocky III... dont remember when he pulled Paulie out of jail?

"You get your face all fixed up. Handsome. Nice clothes. What'd you do for Paulie, anything? This! You give me a lousy, stinkin' ex-lax watch."

[OBEEWON]

I guess you could daily a missile...but....


http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Dino%20Dalle%20Carbonare/2010/August%202010/SumDM-P1/AY0F3811.jpg


http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Dino%20Dalle%20Carbonare/DriftMatsuri-PT4/SDM09-559.jpg

http://noriyaro.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/noriyaro_river_garbage_s14_001.jpg

[HAWAII]

I stopped watching Drifting when Formula D was formed. "The corporation that brings in the biggest money wins"

[Brian]

Eric Castro - I don't know how many times I went drifting.
I do know that it looked pretty darn good out there and I tried my best to keep it that way. (the exceptions are, 1. the few events I did with my car all sanded down ready for paint. My paint day got delayed, so I was stuck with a pile of shit looking car. I was horribly embarrassed. and 2. the event where I hit Jack. I sold it right after that.)

[Brian]

I guess you could daily a missile...but....


http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Dino%20Dalle%20Carbonare/2010/August%202010/SumDM-P1/AY0F3811.jpg


http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Dino%20Dalle%20Carbonare/DriftMatsuri-PT4/SDM09-559.jpg

http://noriyaro.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/noriyaro_river_garbage_s14_001.jpg


Those things really look like shit.
They should be in a junkyard, not a drift track.

[Corbic]

So it sounds like everyone is butt hurt that local events don't feature magazine quality mid-90s styled drift cars....

So why not do the following

A. Make "Drift Snob" events and require participates to submit car photos first. Only hellaflush, quality rides need apply.

B. Stop calling shit rice. Decals, crazy paint, body kits and "going all out" died cica FNF 1999 when web-forums across the globe decided to start ripping on anything resembling a 90's styled Tuner car or deviating from "clean".

I also think people need to get over "knock offs". Move on. No matter what some people will always buy top shelf new while others will waste dollars to save pennies. Stop bitching like girls arguing over shoes and handbags.

Encourage creativity, diversity and style. Don't be a band wagon jumper that sees a car on Speedhunters with a tow-hook toy then run out and do the same.

If your area events suck, get involved, make them better or start your own.

There are enough people on Zilvia that 1-2 annual events could happen in each region ( North East, South West, Midwest) and be stuffed with solid balling cars. It's as easy as saying "no way we want that poser driving" and reject the request.

If the 240s popularity bothers you so much sell yours and get a Conquest or RWD swapped Daytona.

[Brian]

So why not do the following

A. Make "Drift Snob" events and require participates to submit car photos first. Only hellaflush, quality rides need apply.




lol, this is funny because it's exactly the mentality I had when creating All Star Bash.

[illvialuver]

2. the event where I hit Jack. I sold it right after that.)

Damn you Jack, it is all your fault. LOL

Some of you guys are missing the point. So unless I missed the writting between the lines, Eric thinks that because he drifts his car looks like shit, and driving a bag-o-dicks on the street is like a badge of honor cause it shows that you track your car, and because you track your car, then it is okay for your car to look like shit?

ifxi, so true.

I think everyone here with eric castro cars is missing the point. If your car looks like absolute shit because you track it and you have damage and you are in the process of fixing it, then okay, that makes sense as long as you are progressive, but what we are talking about are people that have a perfectly fine s chassis, but then break their car intentionally just so they can stitch it up with zipties, and they take decent stock paint and rattle can the shit outta it without even tapping off the windows to prevent over spray. Anyone who ever went to the autobacs, pipeline pizza tues night meet in o.c would know what we are talking about.

Also, pointing out that there are zipties holding up BH's front bumper in that pic, well guess what, that is not shitty, it has a purpose, but did you notice that it was not a neon color, and didn't have the excess ziptie hanging off the bumper like some cheap ass curb feeler.

And don't try lumping yourself into the likes of James dean, and Leno because of the way your car looks. I have never seen pictures of a car they daily drove that looked like a clusterfuck shitbox bagodicks special. If you want to make a reference to them and throw your self in their, say you love cars, and love driving. But I doubt either of them would drive your car.


Last thing... when you ( anyone with a dickboxs of a car) sees someone staring at your car on the freeway, or doing a double take, it is not always a good thing. It is more like can you believe that shit is on the street? Like what you would do if you saw a 300 pound woman walking the street is a tight fitting one piece that has all her fat oozing out like some sick play-doh toy, waving a neon colored flag woven from zip ties.

[jspec_S14]

I guess you could daily a missile...but....




http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Dino%20Dalle%20Carbonare/DriftMatsuri-PT4/SDM09-559.jpg




At some point you need to realize your just bad at drifting

[WISH ONE]

Damn you Jack, it is all your fault. LOL

Some of you guys are missing the point. So unless I missed the writting between the lines, Eric thinks that because he drifts his car looks like shit, and driving a bag-o-dicks on the street is like a badge of honor cause it shows that you track your car, and because you track your car, then it is okay for your car to look like shit?

ifxi, so true.

I think everyone here with eric castro cars is missing the point. If your car looks like absolute shit because you track it and you have damage and you are in the process of fixing it, then okay, that makes sense as long as you are progressive, but what we are talking about are people that have a perfectly fine s chassis, but then break their car intentionally just so they can stitch it up with zipties, and they take decent stock paint and rattle can the shit outta it without even tapping off the windows to prevent over spray. Anyone who ever went to the autobacs, pipeline pizza tues night meet in o.c would know what we are talking about.

Also, pointing out that there are zipties holding up BH's front bumper in that pic, well guess what, that is not shitty, it has a purpose, but did you notice that it was not a neon color, and didn't have the excess ziptie hanging off the bumper like some cheap ass curb feeler.

And don't try lumping yourself into the likes of James dean, and Leno because of the way your car looks. I have never seen pictures of a car they daily drove that looked like a clusterfuck shitbox bagodicks special. If you want to make a reference to them and throw your self in their, say you love cars, and love driving. But I doubt either of them would drive your car.


Last thing... when you ( anyone with a dickboxs of a car) sees someone staring at your car on the freeway, or doing a double take, it is not always a good thing. It is more like can you believe that shit is on the street? Like what you would do if you saw a 300 pound woman walking the street is a tight fitting one piece that has all her fat oozing out like some sick play-doh toy, waving a neon colored flag woven from zip ties.

^ for this reason, I stopped going to meets and basically stopped caring about the "scene".

For the record I love my car BUT, I hate driving my car on the street, track cars arent fun to daily drive. Just to make things clear By no mean is my car a full track vehicle or even close but IMO I feel I have crossed that line to where it is no longer a comfortable street car. Bucket seat, no AC, stiff suspension, sways, teeth-chattering motor mounts, and the rattles and creaks of 21 year old car... yeah fuck that.

[Corbic]

I think this thread needs more pictures.

Zilvia Fashion Police, What's Hot and what's Not.

[ericcastro]

. the last thing I'de like is to see that thing losing parts as its driving down the road;

as for having fun with a missile, thats all fine and dandy. tow that shit to the track and when parts fall off of it, pick them up. when they leak oil, wipe it up. clean up after your own shit.

Parts never fall off my car, lol
Despite how it looks, or has looked, the car itself was well taken care of besides the astetics :)

And you know living in Hollywood I cant have 2 cars.
But it doesnt mean i dont want to be a part of motorsports.
I support motorsports and tracks more then most people in this thread.
I spend WAY to much money on it :)
And yes, Having 4 rims and 8 tires in my living room is probably considered "house rice", but i got no where else to put them, lol.

I guess you could daily a missile...but....


http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Dino%20Dalle%20Carbonare/2010/August%202010/SumDM-P1/AY0F3811.jpg

http://noriyaro.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/noriyaro_river_garbage_s14_001.jpg
My old shell was worse then that under the vinyl and knock off body kits, lol.


I do know that it looked pretty darn good out there and I tried my best to keep it that way.
As did I , and do, but unless you haveendless money or want to be off the track for 2 years like you were, it end up being a loosing battle.
Or you have to sink all your lifes money and time into it, and I have more I want to experience then having a great looking $1500 car.



Eric thinks that because he drifts his car looks like shit, and driving a bag-o-dicks on the street is like a badge of honor cause it shows that you track your car, and because you track your car, then it is okay for your car to look like shit?

Not at all.
Trust me, I would love to have a great looking 240, and have been building a s14 in my mind for a daily.
But the last couple years of my life, its just not a reality yet.



I think everyone here with eric castro cars is missing the point. If your car looks like absolute shit because you track it and you have damage and you are in the process of fixing it, then okay, that makes sense as long as you are progressive,
My car is always in the process of being fixed.
Its the destruction and wear and tear of the track that happens faster then you can upkeep a car.
If you look at the process of my car, its always getting slightly better, but then there is a new dent, or I got to close to a haybail and broke the bumper again, snapped a lug on the spacers and now have shit offset, etc.


Also, pointing out that there are zipties holding up BH's front bumper in that pic, well guess what, that is not shitty, it has a purpose,
Everything on my car has a purpose. :)

And don't try lumping yourself into the likes of James dean, and Leno because of the way your car looks. I have never seen pictures of a car they daily drove that looked like a clusterfuck shitbox bagodicks special. If you want to make a reference to them and throw your self in their, say you love cars, and love driving. But I doubt either of them would drive your car.

But people like them and Adam Corolla all started with shit boxes that they drove on the street and track.
once they got money and could afford upkeep, then their cars got great, and they bought great cars.
But if you listen to them talk about their begingings with cars and the love of them, they had some worse shit then my missiles, lol.






I think that people are lumping the small amount of "rice" crowd in with people that have beat up cars they use on the track.
To you the cars might look the same, but the owners mentality and the use of the cars is VERY different, as well as the reasons they look the way they do and the cars journey.
I think you should start telling those rice kids to go the track, because that will instantly start to change the way they look at their cars, and the way they dress them.
(and not adams track, because imo they support that kind of styling.)


Mike, if you want to see my car, i can bring it over to your shop and you can change the headlight for me, lol.
Hopefully the bumper can get painted this week so i can have one on, and the tape helping hold my bumper on can go away.
Its not intentionally looking like a bag of dicks, but I got 40 days to make 4K to move out and into a new place, so my cars astetics arent high on my list of priorities.

[Brian]

I don't understand the "be off the track for 2 years" thing. I think the only time I was off the track for 2 years was before I started drifting and after I quit drifting.

[miggypq21]

A lot of those bihoku and ebisu beaters are owned by guys who have actual nice cars. Usually use those missiles to push their own limits and become better drivers. Over there its a different story though since those cars are all pretty cheap and easy to come by.

Eh at this point, we are all just beating the shit out of a dead horse and this thread should be closed. As much as I agree and disagree with people, in the end our opinions don't really matter and shitty cars are gonna stay on the street/track and the nice ones are gonna steady disappear.

In the end, just build a car the way you want to and drive it the way you choose. Everyone loves seeing cool cars on the track/street, but lets face it, not everybody has the ability to build cool cars. And people with money can't always build what most would call a "cool" car. Money can't buy style unfortunately and you don't always have to have money to have style, some people realize that, others don't.

But lets try to keep this about what it should have never gotten away from in the beginning, fun.

[singlecamslam]

Those Japanese "drift sluts" actually have decent rims. Also people need to stop stripping their stock "race cars" because it "saves weight" I think an ugly interior is more emberassing than your car running like shit.

[conrad_s13.5]

At some point you need to realize your just bad at drifting

those things are like that on purpose,. cuz they step out of their comfort zone, and shit happens. Which is perfect if you ask me

Im sure each one of those dudes can fuckin kill it

[dat411kid]

. Money can't buy style


Sooo Trueee.

[thefro526]

I think this thread needs more pictures.

Zilvia Fashion Police, What's Hot and what's Not.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQk5o-xweW5j1MikBQBjxv-65sr1azfPbshhXqWTsniV-op7K6p

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/249653_558099873363_214202261_31993985_1930519_n.j pg

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Casey%202010/May%202011/Jesse%20Streeter/2.jpg

http://knoop.sumospeed.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/s14vspeed2.jpg

[mad-ass]

I love full interior, and working AC with SR swaps. and Yes I suck at drifting.

I have a daily that's wona be low and horrid fitting body kit on it. hood/roof/trunk's clear coat is fading but the kit was painted legit 2 stage paint just because.

life sucks.

[XFuzionX]

this is the best thread in a long time i agree with a lot of stuff in here

[ericcastro]

I don't understand the "be off the track for 2 years" thing. I think the only time I was off the track for 2 years was before I started drifting and after I quit drifting.
mybad, i thought from your S14 to S13 was 2 years.

plans on coming back and having fun?? ASB missed you :o


Eh at this point, we are all just beating the shit out of a dead horse and this thread should be closed. As much as I agree and disagree with people, in the end our opinions don't really matter and shitty cars are gonna stay on the street/track and the nice ones are gonna steady disappear.
.

I would disagree, but im 35 and have watched the cars and been part of the changes for a long time.
maybe dave and mike can chime in on this??

I always refer to the datsun 510 and the nissan 240sx as having the exact same arc.

We are in the late 80's of the datsun 510 right now.
More 240's need to be drifted and raced and crashed and new technology figured out.
More engine swaps.
And then when drifting dies and the Z33 becomes more affordable, you will be able to get a 240 for $500 all day long.
Then about 6 years after that, they will climb in price quickly.

This stage we are at is natural, and normal in all cars life spans.
No matter how much you dislike it, its not gonna change and until a 240sx is sold stock for 5K, until then, they will be the poor mans race car that they currently are.

imo :)

Those Japanese "drift sluts" actually have decent rims. Also people need to stop stripping their stock "race cars" because it "saves weight" I think an ugly interior is more emberassing than your car running like shit.
You try keeping up with a sohc. You'd strip your interior too.
Plus its easier to work on, bang out fenders/pillers/wheel wells, cage, stitch weld, hear noises/issues, and less shit to hit you when you crash :)

those things are like that on purpose,. cuz they step out of their comfort zone, and shit happens. Which is perfect if you ask me

Im sure each one of those dudes can fuckin kill it
exactly.

this is the best thread in a long time i agree with a lot of stuff in here

I do too.
I think its just important for people to realize there are two kinds of 240 owners here :)

[Brian]

mybad, i thought from your S14 to S13 was 2 years.

plans on coming back and having fun?? ASB missed you :o



:)


I think I had both cars at the same time, actually.

No plans to come back. I don't have anything to do with ASB anymore.

[miggypq21]

Did you give up the hobby itself or just the s-chassis?

[doomviillain]

If the 240s popularity bothers you so much sell yours and get a Conquest or RWD swapped Daytona.
lol thats funny because thats what I did and thats what I drive.

oh and starion/conquest: same thing.

[One_love_silvia]

My slanted investigative research has yielded these results:

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/7638/quitcrying.png


Also I drive to and through Manhatten, The Bronx, and Queens on the regular and have yet to lose a body panel in there...

i see california on there as worst roads #5 lol

the sad thing about my town, is that its one of the wealthiest cities in san diego county. its actually a really nice town. our roads just fucking suck lol


I think that people are lumping the small amount of "rice" crowd in with people that have beat up cars they use on the track.
To you the cars might look the same, but the owners mentality and the use of the cars is VERY different, as well as the reasons they look the way they do and the cars journey.
I think you should start telling those rice kids to go the track, because that will instantly start to change the way they look at their cars, and the way they dress them.
(and not adams track, because imo they support that kind of styling.)
so true. my friend keeps trying to tell me i should go there for seat time (he owns a "drift missiles") and he used to go their often. i keep tell him no way in hell will i take my car to a track like that.

and if i end up with a dent in my car (for the love of god i hope i dont tho) i know for a fact that il be out there on my next day off pounding out that dent and hammer and dollying it as good as i can. i did the same thing when my sister (:() smashed in my FL fender with my dads truck. my pride wont let me drive around in a car with dents all over the place anymore. its embarressing.

This stage we are at is natural, and normal in all cars life spans.
No matter how much you dislike it, its not gonna change and until a 240sx is sold stock for 5K, until then, they will be the poor mans race car that they currently are.

funny u say this.... lol. the post was deleted, but there was just a post on SD craigslist for a 1997 kouki with 177k miles on it and the person wanted 9.5k for it! bone stock! hahahaha

[Corbic]

how does being 18 mean anything? im 18 years old and ive been in love with drifting ever since i can remember honestly. i have no fucked up view of drifting. i just love having fun sideways and building my car

Pic of car then we'll talk.

[!Zar!]

I also find that a lot of people which own primered buckets with xxr's always claiming that it is a track car and looks aren't priority, yet I never see them at the track.

What's up with that?

[codyace]

I also find that a lot of people which own primered buckets with xxr's always claiming that it is a track car and looks aren't priority, yet I never see them at the track.

What's up with that?

If I had a dollar for everyone that's ever told me that they are building a track car, yet never even make it to as much as a 20 dollar Autocross, I'd be driving a Zo6

[Brinton]

gay cars make it easy for others to make thier cars look cool.

[!Zar!]

Exactly, the worse theirs look, the better mine does.

Ever time a kid buys a can of spray paint or purchases a set of Sportmax, the higher my resale value.

[ixfxi]

Parts never fall off my car, lol
Despite how it looks, or has looked, the car itself was well taken care of besides the astetics :) And you know living in Hollywood I cant have 2 cars. But it doesnt mean i dont want to be a part of motorsports. And yes, Having 4 rims and 8 tires in my living room is probably considered "house rice", but i got no where else to put them, lol.

Mike, if you want to see my car, i can bring it over to your shop and you can change the headlight for me, lol.
Hopefully the bumper can get painted this week so i can have one on, and the tape helping hold my bumper on can go away.
Its not intentionally looking like a bag of dicks, but I got 40 days to make 4K to move out and into a new place, so my cars astetics arent high on my list of priorities.

eric, i dont think you need to even attempt to defend your other car. it was bad enough from the pics i saw, but when dangerous dave tells me it was beat.... then that must mean something. because i've known dave for a long time, and he's slanged quite a few beaters.... most of which i considered beaten to death. your car should be considered a 240SX zombie.

i think the biggest issue here is, that most people attempting to be mr <pro-race> <drifter> <dragracer> <whatever> need to understand.. is that life is more important than dailying a piece of shit car. i mean, i've been building my car forever and lots of people ask when its going to be done. it should be no surprise that anyone with a fucking mind who has been alive since the economy went in the shitter, that there are more important priorities than finishing a car or driving it. at least thats the way i see it. the more responsibilities you have, the quicker that shit catches up... and its only a matter of time before life gives you that swift kick in the ass. bills to pay, people to support, debts to pay, etc....

dont forget, i too lived off of melrose in LA before moving over the hill so that i could have more space to do more work to support the hobby that i too enjoy (but not love). i dailied my s13 when i stripped it, swapped transmissions, swapped motors, and re-wired the entire car from SCRATCH. years later, i chose to put my money to work so that i could rent some land to do the work that i need to do. trying to be successful in motorsports in los angeles, new york, or any big city is like trying to get ahead when you're deep in debt, its NGH = not gonna happen. car guys need to move to car communities, places that have space to allow us to work, make noise, pollute, etc... its industrial, the fruitcakes in west hollywood dont appreciate people wrenching in the streets, painting w/ solvents, welding, etc... it interrupts their ghey higher-than-thou lifestyle.

the older i get and the longer im in this industry, i realize that car owners are like fucking gamblers... they go on and on about trying to be successful, getting this part, slanging this part... and they're just wasting time. in the end, cars get stolen, time passes by, and you're left with shit to show for all your hard work and dollars spent. and i guess this is why finishing my project is so low on my priority. i'de rather have it done right than rushed and done wrong. and i guess thats the problem, cheap parts result in cheap fixes. no one cares to keep cheap stuff, its all disposable.. just like cheap-ass ikea furniture.

[lflkajfj12123]

Eric castro youre stuck in the past.

Time to grow up buddy.

hahahaaahaaa this is awesome

get fucked castro!

if you haven't noticed castro is an expert at every subject on the internet

http://a1.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/39/b267767adbe841828978b8ec05f02eda/l.jpg

this is me this is my style

[Corbic]

the older i get and the longer im in this industry, i realize that car owners are like fucking gamblers... they go on and on about trying to be successful, getting this part, slanging this part... and they're just wasting time. in the end, cars get stolen, time passes by, and you're left with shit to show for all your hard work and dollars spent. and i guess this is why finishing my project is so low on my priority. i'de rather have it done right than rushed and done wrong. and i guess thats the problem, cheap parts result in cheap fixes. no one cares to keep cheap stuff, its all disposable.. just like cheap-ass ikea furniture.

I think as you progress though, you also realize that if your truly into it, it doesn't matter that it won't be done for another year... or three. I've owned my 240sx for seven years now. Its been a long.... and slow project. In the meantime, house work, daily drivers, trips to burning man, so forth.

[Matej]

http://a1.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/39/b267767adbe841828978b8ec05f02eda/l.jpg

this is me this is my style
"Thanks to our rigorous testing and develpment, now you are able to make your car just like mine."

"Tracking your car is important. Nothing else matters. Except for fun. Fun and tracking your car."

"Matt Powers came to ASB and played with children. He is a great drifter."

"Hello, I am Eric Castro. I work in the movie industry."

[icedsole]

lmaoooooo KING MATEJJJJJJJJ









do you homie

[illvialuver]

You know this thread reminds me of ziptied.

which is kinda ironic when you think of this threads subject matter.

[nathanong87]

this thread reminds me of a poorly written satire

[95KA-Turbo]

Mother fuckers are just spray painting wrong. My front fender in this picture was spray painted, as were my rear valances and trunk spoiler. Stop picking up flat black and start trying to paint match shit.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3487/3984649107_02d21b4990_b.jpg


Which goes back to my comment....its not what people are doing, its HOW they're doing it.




Proper:

http://inish.cocolog-nifty.com/blog/images/D01_5848.jpg


Nailed it:

http://www.chrisforsberg.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/DSC04820.jpg

[wh0aitznic0]

For all the dumbasses, this sums up what the point of this thread is.

http://i55.tinypic.com/16gbqzq.jpg

[yellowxhoodie]

^awesome. <3

[icedsole]

hella sexy leopard heels we in dis

[illvialuver]

with the shinny red shit on the bottom.

Stephen, the pic posted of you car earlier was nice, I love it.

Nate, satire shmatire.

I like how many times bag of dicks were used by people other than myself.

[J90lude]

This thread seems to be another never ending thread.

[kalypso123]

I've never drifted before.

[Nismo240driftSX]

Do it because you love it, and you have fun. If it isnt fun, move on.

That being said, I love my s13. Its a 21 year old car. I baby the hell out of it. I probably do to many oil changes. Wash it constantly. I think if your really a fan of a certain car or "scene" you should learn about it. Love it. But at the end of the day its a hobby(unless your one of the really lucky ones that can make it there day job.) and you have hobbys because its fun and interests you. Do it for you, not because the scene says so.

This. I've only had my hatch for 2 years now. I didn't get it because of the "scene", I got it because I love Nissans and I love the body style of the S-chassis. When I got it, all of the people who own 240's in my area would say to me, "Are you gonna come drift it with us?" No, I'm not going to drift it, and probably not ever. What I really want to do is autocross. I do get tired of hearing people constantly ask that question though and I hate being thrown into the group. My car has the stock, original body/paint, with no rust whatsoever. Interior is near perfect, and I'd like to keep it that way.

For me, building cars is a hobby and something I love. I'm always learning, and working on cars with my brother. In the long run, I want my car to not only look clean, but have the performance to know that when I go to local car shows, it will look like a clean, nice looking, ordinary car, but know that if a Z06 pulls up next to me that my car is faster. Sure, it's pride, but it's also wanting to prove that my car doesn't look like everyone else's and isn't riced out where people don't respect my car. I want my car to have a reputation and to hear people say, "He has the cleanest tuner car in the area, but it's fast as shit too!"

In the end, I just want to take pride in having a car I love, and knowing I did it right and separated myself from other "tuners" out there. I want to enjoy the fact, that the car I paid a few thousand for, performs better than that guy who spent $50K on his sports car. Forgive the rant.

[irritatedmax]

So...you like car shows?

[Kingbaby]

WUT!


drifts in his user name!


ahahahahahaha

[irritatedmax]

It's a trap!

[OBEEWON]

I like it when the front of a car is higher than the back. That really floats my boat.

[Nismo240driftSX]

WUT!


drifts in his user name!


ahahahahahaha

Yeah, it's in there. So what? I couldn't think of anything when I joined zilvia, so that's what popped into my head. I'm not about to make a new account because it says drift in my name. I think drifting is cool. I'll watch it, but it's not my style.

[thefro526]

I like it when the front of a car is higher than the back. That really floats my boat.

This car came to mind:

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Mike%20Garrett/Cars%20of%20D1GP/IMG_9566%20copy.jpg

It's got like a thousand million billion horsepower and it still has style.

Why doesn't America do this?

Edit: This one too:

http://dasis300.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/daigo_saito_chaser_mark_ii_by_motion_attack.jpg

[Brian]

Exactly, the worse theirs look, the better mine does.

Ever time a kid buys a can of spray paint or purchases a set of Sportmax, the higher my resale value.

haha, I really like this post. Good work.
:2c:
:boink:

[WISH ONE]

i think the biggest issue here is, that most people attempting to be mr <pro-race> <drifter> <dragracer> <whatever> need to understand.. is that life is more important than dailying a piece of shit car. i mean, i've been building my car forever and lots of people ask when its going to be done. it should be no surprise that anyone with a fucking mind who has been alive since the economy went in the shitter, that there are more important priorities than finishing a car or driving it. at least thats the way i see it. the more responsibilities you have, the quicker that shit catches up... and its only a matter of time before life gives you that swift kick in the ass. bills to pay, people to support, debts to pay, etc....



Thank you! This is my exact view and my current situation.
theres more to life, Id like to buy a house someday.

[illvialuver]

Just like I said, it is not a race. Just do shit right the first or maybe the second time, dont sit there and keep buying the same junk parts, and when they break you go out and buy the same part.

I cant believe that I have had my car for about 8-7 years and am still not done.

[raz0rbladez909]

It's got like a thousand million billion horsepower and it still has style.

Why doesn't America do this?


Because we don't have awesome Toyota Chasers? Or are you implying that all American cars don't look good/have style? You can't forget that half of these cars that everyone envys for being so sick looking on the track usually have a good amound of backup bumpers/fenders/sideskirts already painted ready and waiting just in case they do smack into a wall/other car. Not to mention most if not all are sponsored.

[CrimsonRockett]

Ever since I set my project aside, my savings has only gone up. Instead of having a "super dope hella flush slammed canibeat illest" car, I get to buy a house instead.

I'll worry about putting my car together later.

People just need to do their own thing and stop worrying about what others are doing. The reality is, there will always be rattle canned pieces of shits, "missile cars", 5-tone paint jobs, cheap quality parts, etc. It's not like we can pass a law that states "No 240sx owner shall rattle can, run illest stickers, or roof racks on their cars. Offenders will receive the death penalty."

[Corbic]

"No 240sx owner shall rattle can, run illest stickers, or roof racks on their cars. Offenders will receive the death penalty."

....or can we?

[illvialuver]

I want to see a s13 with a roof rack and dirt bike on the roof.
Held on by zipties

[ericcastro]

"Thanks to our rigorous testing and develpment, now you are able to make your car just like mine."

"Tracking your car is important. Nothing else matters. Except for fun. Fun and tracking your car."

"Matt Powers came to ASB and played with children. He is a great drifter."

"Hello, I am Eric Castro. I work in the movie industry."

forgot one...

Photo taken by Aasbo..

http://a1.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/39/b267767adbe841828978b8ec05f02eda/l.jpg


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hahahaaahaaa this is awesome

get fucked castro!

if you haven't noticed castro is an expert at every subject on the internet

In no way, but I do know a lot and do alot.
Why so bitter??

[ixfxi]

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In no way, but I do know a lot and do alot.
Why so bitter??

because he's full of shit, and has been since his join date... better yet, since birth.

[OBEEWON]

Buying a house? What?

If you can afford to go to a track you can have a decent looking car PERIOD.

Everything in between is excuses.

[EDacIouSX]

Buying a house? What?

If you can afford to go to a track you can have a decent looking car PERIOD.

Everything in between is excuses.

but some people have two cars. I have a nice looking car that I care about and another 240 that I don't mind crashing. I mean i do mind, but you know what i mean. it doesn't look great.

And, I don't really go to track that much...

[240zach]

i like how theres a pic of one of team bursts cars..if you watch their videos they fucking trash theyre cars till they cant drive em, but that whole team is sooo good at drifting .lol

[95KA-Turbo]

There is a difference between starting out with a good car, wrecking it, patching it back together to look good again, and wrecking it again.

People take decent shape stock cars and flat black them to put crappy aero on that doesn't fit and terrible looking wheels....and do it with bad style.

[ericcastro]

People take decent shape stock cars and flat black them to put crappy aero on that doesn't fit and terrible looking wheels....and do it with bad style.

I think that was my point earlier about there being the "rice" crowd with shitty cars on purpose, and people that have shitty cars cause they abuse them and cant keep up with the astetic cost :)

I feel like there is less of the rice kids theses days??
But I havent been to a meet in a long time, am i wrong?