Godspeed Projects S13/S14 5 LUG Massive Angle Kit

[Fatboy Garage]

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We are currently installing on one of our sponsor vehicles, install pictures will be up soon. As for people interested in purchasing, stay updated on the Facebook page we will announce it there first when it goes on sale! That's all for now!

Godspeed Project Facebook Page: http://facebook.com/godspeed.gsp (http://www.facebook.com/godspeed.gsp)

Share your thoughts! :naughty:

[hektik13]

you need s14

[!Zar!]

Any idea what pricing is like?

[blueshark123]

im surprised this is godspeed

[Fatboy Garage]

sorry I need to recall this,

is for S14 or 5 lug

[HS13KLS]

sorry I need to recall this,

is for S14 or 5 lug

wait.. so its not for a s13?

And since god speed makes angle kits now too..? interesting.. lol

[Sarom_ps13]

Interested, and since its godspeed i would like to know the $$ also. and reviews would be nice.

[da_crew10]

So these will not work
With ichiba conversion hubs ?

[Fatboy Garage]

wait.. so its not for a s13?

And since god speed makes angle kits now too..? interesting.. lol



It fits S13 or S14 as long as you have 5LUG.

[slider2828]

Are there plans to make it compatible with 4Lugs? And do you know what is the reason why 4lugs are not compatible?

[essforteen]

Are there plans to make it compatible with 4Lugs? And do you know what is the reason why 4lugs are not compatible?

When they say it doesnt work for 4 lug im assuming thats because its built from the s14 knuckles and if you wish to stay 4 lug get some s14 4 lug hubs!

S14 and s13 have different spindle sizes there fore you must use s14 hubs to make these work! 4 or 5 lug!

Correct me if im wrong!

[soreballz]

It fits S13 or S14 as long as you have 5LUG.
So, what you're trying to say is that it's a modified S14 knuckle, so to use it on an s13, you need 5lug S14 hubs (not Peak, Ichiba, eBay, modded J30s, etc) and s14 front ball joints or LCAs, yes?

EDIT: Yeah, what the guy above said. lol

So yeah, these SHOULD work on an S13 or S14, 4 lug or 5 lug, when using S14 hubs and LCAs (or just the ball joints).


AMIRITE?

[!Zar!]

s13 uses 30mm wheel bearing, s14 uses 32mm wheel bearings iirc.

[PoorMans180SX]

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[RurouniMidnight]

Omggggeeee

[shalezzz]

Hey guys, you're not very smart.

These go on the TIE RODS where they connect to the steering rack.

So what the freak does having 5-lug have to do with anything?

Also, 2 of each spacer is way overkill. Your rack can't even move that far.

Boy, does Godspeed sure know what they're doing...

I think it has to do with spindle sizes, your replacing the whole knuckle therefore and s13 4 lug wheel bearing will not fit on this knuckle, and to what you said about the tie rod piece those spacers are typically just an o and move into the rack, ive never tried a god speed product but Id be interested to see a reasonably priced aftermarket knuckle wig good quality, and will this correct suspension geometry on lowered vehicles? Or just allow more angle?

[Fatboy Garage]

Yes this is actually a modified S14 knuckle.

To fit to S13 you will need to either use a S14 LCA or the ball joints as soreballz said or you can bore it out to 16mm id since ours is 14mm id.

Also as for the shaft of the spindle, ours is 32mm so you have to use a S14 HUB either it being 4 or 5 lug just as long as its 32mm id.

As for it fitting on a S14 it should fit directly.

As for the spacer they are optional to put on, you don't HAVE to use them, we are just providing extra if necessary.

[s13coupedrfter]

So the big question is whats the price?

[turtle m3th]

Why are you guys utilizing spacers on top of spacers?

[DC Dan MAX USA]

i just threw up a little in my mouth

[soreballz]

i just threw up a little in my mouth

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[thefro526]

Not trying to hate or anything but:

I'm fairly certain that the whole double spacer thing is a horrible idea. Most people who run spacers greater than 1/4" or so (~7mm) and knuckles end up moving their rack forward or running offset spacers (essentially does the same thing - kind of) so that they don't over center to all hell and back.

The fact that you seem uncertain as to whether or not this will fit an S13 concerns me as well...

[1on1]

interesting.

[azndoc]

Not trying to be a dick, but have you guy done any tests or just made it now and starting to test it out?

How much more degrees than stock? Did you guys just copy off some other company and if so who?

Thanks

[DC Dan MAX USA]

Hey guys can you at least pick another color besides this one? I got it covered already, thanks.
http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_files/public/1209610183_2_FT0_p1030238.jpg

[blktopsr20]

Hey guys can you at least pick another color besides this one? I got it covered already, thanks.
http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_files/public/1209610183_2_FT0_p1030238.jpg


haha epic. are those nose rings or some donkey D intimate accessories. :whip:

[stricnynel0s]

this is a shitty situation; innovation, invention and competition are healthy for our industry but plagarism and copying sucks. I am not going to act high and mighty ( i am running godspeed sway bars) but this looks identical to the PBM angle kit. How does the PBM kit compare to the stance kit out of curosity or how does pbm kit compare to the gspeed one ? obiously fatboy is not making these kits just selling them so its kinda like killing the messenger, but maybe with more information on setup we can get an idea of it and functionality.

[NismoTuner21]

Hahahaha @ Dan!!!

Sup with the Ackerman bruh, you guys fix that too?

[JDM_Tuner]

Man does godspeed just copy everyone, from the looks of it...
the ring spacers are copies of PBM,
the bigger spacers are copies of Driftspeed spacers
and the knuckles look like MA-Motorsports knuckles.

[wangan_cruiser]

lol. godspeed let the big boys do the development, design then copy


how much?

[yabeet]

I would not recommend knockoff parts people, hurting the innovators.

[Project3328]

Chinese killed jdm

[Bry]

i just threw up a little in my mouth

Was thinking the exact same thing..

[roadboy240sx]

PBM - FTW!!!

i mean really im all for godspeed stuff for the people short on cash but. talk about copy and paste

edit: i should add that when it comes time for me to have cray steering angle i will be sending mine to PBM and suporting the good guys

[iLagX]

whats the price?? does it included bump stopper?

[90hatchie]

this scares me alot
yikes

[onehundredoctane]

Why are you guys utilizing spacers on top of spacers?

Bwahahahaha! That was my first thought! You beat me to it! There's no way both could be installed at the same time without horrid toe in.

i just threw up a little in my mouth

I as well sir, I as well.

[hellion240sx]

keeping an eye to see what happens.

[Tae-Hyun]

no bueno.

kein gutes

좋 없음

no good.

[maverickmotorsports]

I think I see a resemblance to my spacers.

http://i54.tinypic.com/21bq49y.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/sil8ty/IMG_4367.jpg

[Steinkrunk]

holy jeez. I think Zilvia should step up and ban these knockoff parts from being sold by vendors on the site. There's only one way to stop this type of shit and supporting it is not the way. Plus PBM's prices are sick, every single part they produce is definately budget friendly. This type of blatant plaguerism is just sickening. I wouldn't go as far as bitching about the little 7mm spacers, but the knuckles and spacers are direct copys of other's ideas.

Anyone that runs a godspeed knuckle deserves to smash the wall when it shatters into pieces after driving over a pothole.

[bigs]

^^It's a fucking business, grow up.

If you don't like it, don't buy it. It's not rocket science.

[kbui]

^ yes, it is a business, but who's economy are we supporting...not ours! just saying

[vas570sx]

i couldve sworn godspeed was an american company

[Sad s13]

they may be an american company but where are the parts made?

[raz0rbladez909]

More crap from godspeed huh? Not surprised in the least.

[!Zar!]

they may be an american company but where are the parts made?

The same place your cellphone is made.

So what's your point?

[curbhuggerrps13]

The same place your cellphone is made.

So what's your point?

don't forget tv's...man i love my tv that has been copied over and over again

[Rafa-Z]

the point is if your cellphone breaks you dont crash into a wall. All their parts look cast from a cast from a cast and they say its ok to use spacers on top of spacers. Good luck

[Steinkrunk]

^^It's a fucking business, grow up.

If you don't like it, don't buy it. It's not rocket science.

I know it's a business, and by all means if people need the parts buy them. I was all for being budget minded but it's really starting to get out of hand. PBM is an innovative company that is always coming out with new stuff and listening to their customers. I know i keep using them for an example but they are killing it, awesome products+awesome pricing.

Now what happened when PBM spends alot of money and time to research and develop a new set of LCA's(which they have) and said control arms are sold for a couple months to the public and then Godspeed or another knockoff company directly copies them and cuts the price in half. Now all the people that were saving up to buy the PBM arms see these new arms that are visually exact copies come out. So now say half the people that were going to buy PBM's buy the knockoffs.

Now PBM isn't seeing as much of a return on their investment. So maybe next time this leads to them either not developing new parts or not listening to their customers since they didn't make enough profit the last run to justify the time spent R&Ring.



It is a business, but it's the wrong one to be supporting. The first thing I see when I open up zilvia is godspeed's knockoff parts. Those parts shouldn't be getting the exposure, the originals should.

[DC Dan MAX USA]

We make stuff overseas, just like everyone in an effort to offer competitive prices. No news flash there, its really a non issue, as long as quality control is managed closely. The real issue is copycat scumbags that are notorious for selling shitty knockoff corner cutting cheap parts.

I say Its really up to the members of Zilvia, you can choose as a community to grow by supporting innovation or you can choose to kill quality reliable parts suppliers and their benefits to our sport by allowing blatant copycats to leverage this community as a way to gain another marketing source. You can passively vote with who you give your dollars to or we can take a stand to counter their efforts in proliferating substandard parts below market price.

There's already a community for copycats called Ebay, and everyone here knows they can go there whenever they feel like being cheapskates.

Other forums uphold their community standards like vipstylecars.com

There is an announcement in the for sale section (they go so far as to control used items sold by members as well as scumbag venders)

"SELLING KNOCKOFFs = Permanent Ban

In our effort to fight knockoffs, our policy will be selling counterfeit items will result in a PERMANENT BAN from the forum as well as any VIPStyleCars related events.

PLEASE REPORT ANY VIOLATION OF THIS POLICY TO THE ADMINISTRATORS. Email [email protected] or PM 'mdenoga' "

[raz0rbladez909]

We make stuff overseas, just like everyone in an effort to offer competitive prices. No news flash there, its really a non issue, as long as quality control is managed closely. The real issue is copycat scumbags that are notorious for selling shitty knockoff corner cutting cheap parts.

I say Its really up to the members of Zilvia, you can choose as a community to grow by supporting innovation or you can choose to kill quality reliable parts suppliers and their benefits to our sport by allowing blatant copycats to leverage this community as a way to gain another marketing source. You can passively vote with who you give your dollars to or we can take a stand to counter their efforts in proliferating substandard parts below market price.

There's already a community for copycats called Ebay, and everyone here knows they can go there whenever they feel like being cheapskates.

Other forums uphold their community standards like vipstylecars.com

There is an announcement in the for sale section (they go so far as to control used items sold by members as well as scumbag venders)

"SELLING KNOCKOFFs = Permanent Ban

In our effort to fight knockoffs, our policy will be selling counterfeit items will result in a PERMANENT BAN from the forum as well as any VIPStyleCars related events.

PLEASE REPORT ANY VIOLATION OF THIS POLICY TO THE ADMINISTRATORS. Email [email protected] or PM 'mdenoga' "

That would be awesome, the fs forums would be alot less cluttered with garbage too.

[Brian W.]

While i know im not the first and/ or only person to ever cut and re-weld a 240sx steering knuckle.... these do look more similar to the ones ive been selling for 4 YEARS than any other ive ever seen...

http://www.ma-motorsports.com/galleries/ma-products/?album=3&gallery=12#

Support the innovators and original designers of these parts please. They(we) are the ones that keep new and innovative parts coming out for the end user like yourself to purchase and use to better your car and driving. If companies like Godspeed continue to thrive by selling copies of Original manufacturers parts then the original manufacturer could go out of business and/ or lose interest in supporting this sport.


MA Products | MA Motorsports (http://www.ma-motorsports.com/galleries/ma-products/?album=3&gallery=12)

[DC Dan MAX USA]

Im not saying we have to go so far as to banning the biggest vendor here, like Enjuku selling ISIS turbo elbows (because no one cares about that commodity item, its already been whored out for years) but when its a blatant copy cannibalism of one community vender's signature part by another vender, F that, draw the line.

Case in point:
http://www.ma-motorsports.com/wp-content/gallery/awesometron-5000/dsc_0290.jpg
versus:
http://i51.tinypic.com/14wdp8j.jpg
Brian sells a very reasonably priced knuckle service, and as a famous and reputable race car builder he obviously took the time to R&D the bumpsteer, angle, and ackerman. And he does quality welding on this factory casting (very important for safety).
Maybe no one can do anything about a cheaper one on ebay but...here? When Brian is a paid advertiser and a respected member of the community...thats just wrong.

[mrchomponthis]

Grow up people.

[hellion240sx]

how do you qualify for knock off :/ thin line maybe? just wondering.

[Tantwoforty]

how many burger places are there in your city?
how many taco places?
how many gas stations?
as a business your always going to have competition selling the same shit as you. make your shit better and priced better or fail as a business.
its not like only one company can sell the same thing.
sue them and win or stfu
and how much are these going to be?

[raz0rbladez909]

Grow up people.
And how do you grow up? By purchasing copycat products?

how many burger places are there in your city?
how many taco places?
how many gas stations?
as a business your always going to have competition selling the same shit as you. make your shit better and priced better or fail as a business.
its not like only one company can sell the same thing.
sue them and win or stfu
and how much are these going to be?

But when there is noone left to copy what innovations will companies like Godspeed come out with themselves? Companies like SPL, PBM, and MA Motorsports are the leaders in this area, the guys who perfect these ideas and continue to make improvements on them. Then you have these cheapshit fly by night companies that copy their products and sell em to you guys at unreasonably low prices and you guys all ride their dicks like they've actually done something great for the community.

[PoorMans180SX]

I love how people compare small companies that make parts for a very specific market to HUGE corporations that have footholds in TONS of areas of a WORLD market.

Think before you speak. HKS USA, ARC, Greddy USA, the best companies are dropping out of our market fast, and soon, to get anything good, it'll be like the old days; either you make it yourself, or you pay out the butt to ship it from some other country.

[raz0rbladez909]

I love how people compare small companies that make parts for a very specific market to HUGE corporations that have footholds in TONS of areas of a WORLD market.

Think before you speak. HKS USA, ARC, Greddy USA, the best companies are dropping out of our market fast, and soon, to get anything good, it'll be like the old days; either you make it yourself, or you pay out the butt to ship it from some other country.

:picardfp:Last time I checked none of the mentioned companies in this thread were HUGE corporations. SPL: Produces quite a few products for almost exclusively S/Z chassis, PBM: S/Z Chassis mostly with a few RX/JZ/other drift cars, MA-Motorsports: S-Chassis/GT-R In fact I don't think any of the companies you listed were ever brought up until your own post. AND HKS Pulled out of America, ARC went bankrupt or whatever, and last I saw Greddy USA was still alive and kicking.

[memphis180sx]

honestly it kinda looks like a copy of the d max angle knuckles witch my buddy has a few sets he imported witch have the s13 sized hub bering so u can run ichiba 5 lug conversion or stock s13 4 lug fronts

http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-19376284961899_2165_82924779

[s13coupedrfter]

If you run those huge rack spacers wont it stretch the hell out of the steering rack boots?

[Tantwoforty]

you guys all ride their dicks


I have never bought a godspeed product.
Although i am not against it.
Do not infer that i have.
Do not rope me in with a group of people i am not a part of.
I was simply stating that more than one company can sell the exact same thing.
Is burger king a copy of McDonald's?
that's a knock off big mack son.

[raz0rbladez909]

I have never bought a godspeed product.
Although i am not against it.
Do not infer that i have.
Do not rope me in with a group of people i am not a part of.
I was simply stating that more than one company can sell the exact same thing.
Is burger king a copy of McDonald's?
that's a knock off big mack son.

Cmon mannnnn everybody knows BK is charbroiled :yum:

[DC Dan MAX USA]

how do you qualify for knock off :/ thin line maybe? just wondering.
Heres a good example:

we were the first to make a bent toe rod
http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_files/public/1246577294_2_FT0_p1040842.jpg
This is a knock off
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f263/kensua6/DSC_3766.jpg
This is a knock off
http://www.fortune-auto.net/links%201.jpg
This is NOT a knock off
http://splparts.com/store/avactis-images/SPL_RTA_S14_1.jpg

everyone there is a Zilvia vender

it seems pretty clear. Just put a little effort in to it, its not that hard unless you dont care or know anything about the stuff you sell other than people will buy it from your shady ass if you sell it cheaper.

how many burger places are there in your city?
how many taco places?

The issue is not tacos and burgers or even TV's and cell phones.

when its a blatant copy of one community vender's signature part by another vender, its pretty simple for this community to draw the line there.

We need members, companies and parts that will improve our sport in here and the other stuff can be sorted out on Ebay.

[TheRealSy90]

Not taking any sides but, honestly, how many different ways are there to design a bent toe rod...?

[DC Dan MAX USA]

right there are only a few things you can do.

different
design,
shape,
degree of bend,
colors,
materials,
build quality,
rod end,
adjuster,
fork mount,
bearing side spacers,
amount of adjustability,
type of adjustment,
location of adjustment,
strength,
tolerances

[TheRealSy90]

True, but it will still come out looking like a bent toe rod.

Just instigating is all :)

pbm ftw

[Perfect Balance]

If the things you've listed would make it "different", then the Fortune Auto piece isn't a knockoff, and rather a similar piece.

The GodSpeed piece is very clearly meant to look "exactly" like the PBM part. It doesn't obviously, but that is exactly what they were going for.

[DC Dan MAX USA]

yes the FA part looks a tiny bit more different than the GS, still an obvious knock off

Let the community choose where the line is drawn, or dont draw any lines, its your community.

Whatever you think benefits you more.

We should put it to a vote in the chat section, Im sure its not cool to talk about this in the advertisers section.

[bigs]

DC Dan MAX USA...are you drastically suffering from these other companies and are you on the verge of going out of business?

I see you're coming out with a bunch of new shit for 2011, business must be rough?

[PoorMans180SX]

:picardfp:Last time I checked none of the mentioned companies in this thread were HUGE corporations. SPL: Produces quite a few products for almost exclusively S/Z chassis, PBM: S/Z Chassis mostly with a few RX/JZ/other drift cars, MA-Motorsports: S-Chassis/GT-R In fact I don't think any of the companies you listed were ever brought up until your own post. AND HKS Pulled out of America, ARC went bankrupt or whatever, and last I saw Greddy USA was still alive and kicking.

We agree here my friend. My point was that none of these companies (even the "big" ones like HKS) are anything compared to multi-national gas and food companies, but people compare the markets like they are. I'm saying that is stupid.

[PoorMans180SX]

DC Dan MAX USA...are you drastically suffering from these other companies and are you on the verge of going out of business?

I see you're coming out with a bunch of new shit for 2011, business must be rough?

MAX is coming out with new products because they are continuing to innovate and make better, cooler products for us, not because they're super rich, fool. It's called reciprocation. Do you think they would have been able to come out with this new stuff if everyone bought chinaspeed parts?

[Om1kron]

lol. godspeed let the big boys do the development, design then copy


how much?

I love how everyone on Zilvia has gathered to talk shit on this thread and then goes out to their cars with Varestoen wheels, godspeed bars, and turbos, and knock off body kits.

:yum:

[bigs]

MAX is coming out with new products because they are continuing to innovate and make better, cooler products for us, not because they're super rich, fool. It's called reciprocation. Do you think they would have been able to come out with this new stuff if everyone bought chinaspeed parts?

It takes money to innovate, does it not? And your last question is exactly what I asked. I see all this speculation, but no real figures showing HUGE losses of sales or anything drastic like everyone is making it out to be.

I'm not trying to argue here. I'm just looking for some FACTS instead of a bunch of people whining.

[DC Dan MAX USA]

Heres the number to my accountant 1800-ya-right, but seriously....We are not some faceless corporation, we are just a couple of drifters like you who like to make cool parts for our cars and sell them to this community. Thats how we know how to make stuff because we are at the event with you breaking stuff and thinking every day how to make it better.

There is a lot of companies that make parts for our cars that are not here any more. I am lucky enough to not be one of those.

People call me up and they are like man I broke the rod end adjuster on my KPR angle kit and they're out of business so I have to replace the whole thing.
I blew my JIC coilovers and there is no one to rebuild them.
Dont you think that hurts you the end user?

I am aware that our staying power is directly related to where you guys choose to spend your hard earned cash.

Basically I put every dime of profit into development. I am thankful to zilvia for supporting us enough that we even have money to do original parts development.

But I would like to send my kid to school some day, you know have something to show for all my hard work besides legions of companies selling copies of my shit and a cool drift car.

I'll be here working hard on original parts, making parts that you want and need at good prices with good support - hopefully for many more years but thats largely up to you zilvia not me.

[hellion240sx]

Wtf ever happened to patents!?!?!?!?

[DC Dan MAX USA]

almost useless for small businesses

thats the sport of kings

and we change our designs very fast too

[whitepony22]

That and patents are expensive and can take a while.

[bbturbo87]

lol even to run a single bolt on spacer from george i had to cut inner and outer tie rod. and you end up with close to 50* of angle?

They must be working on installing it still. no way in hell that they will get 4(in total) spacers on any car. dumb fucks.

Only godspeed part i ever bought was a godspeed t28. just because everyone always wondered, i threw it on. worked for 2 weeks. then I just ordered a new s15 turbo.

There is no way in hell, people at godspeed even know what a drift car is. seriously, i want pictures of this kit installed!!

[boosted KA24DE]

MOds just need to end this right here and pink everyone for tread jacking with a bunch of bullshit. This is not the place to bash on an advertisers thread. None of this has to do with customer feedback or anything related.
I have purchased products from PBM and GODSPEED none have failed me yet. It comes down to what the customer wants to pay and how much they are willing to risk from cheaper parts. Copy right your parts or get a patent on it AND STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT stolen ideas. Its like going to auto zone and buying a light bulb or a distributor that looks oem but you know its not yet people still put it on their cars. Customers know what they buy and choose to buy it. The wheel can only be invented one time but the design can vary.

[hellion240sx]

yeah but if they did have patents you would pput all these smaller copy cat businesses out of business when it's time to pay you since you have the patent. But your right if its always changing then no use... Unless you find a loophole that you can say it's version 2 of previous design. I don't know how it works. hopefully you get what I'm saying.



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[mrchomponthis]

I have emailed many "suspension dealers/designers/makers/vendors," and asked for tensile strength tests. I have yet to hear from any of them so i consider them all in it for the money. Yep that's to you VENDORS!

[Tantwoforty]

if i made a dope ass part, and some doucher copied it i would be flattered kind of lol
then there's who whole losing money thing and then i would be pissed.
that's really what it comes down to..
losing money.

MOds just need to end this right here and pink everyone for tread jacking with a bunch of bullshit. This is not the place to bash on an advertisers thread. None of this has to do with customer feedback or anything related.
I have purchased products from PBM and GODSPEED none have failed me yet. It comes down to what the customer wants to pay and how much they are willing to risk from cheaper parts. Copy right your parts or get a patent on it AND STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT stolen ideas. Its like going to auto zone and buying a light bulb or a distributor that looks oem but you know its not yet people still put it on their cars. Customers know what they buy and choose to buy it. The wheel can only be invented one time but the design can vary.
I agree, godspeed has always been cool to me when i worked at TekOne
And you other advertisers, I'm not sure it looks good to come bash another advertiser on here.. It kind of makes you look pathetic and unprofessional. I understand how you feel, but like boosted said above, do something about it or shut up.
Im running max rods right now. I support everyone <3
Im out of here. And plan on running a 18g very soon ken :)

[wh0aitznic0]

Lol looks like GaySpeed winged it with the design.

"Let's just copy three companies' designs, put them in a packaged 'kit' and call it original! But let's completely suck in our attempt."

[Bry]

I have emailed many "suspension dealers/designers/makers/vendors," and asked for tensile strength tests. I have yet to hear from any of them so i consider them all in it for the money. Yep that's to you VENDORS!

Such destructive tests are unnecessary, and out of reach financially for many smaller companies that cater predominantly to niche markets.

Tensile strength is irrelevant for the majority of these parts, as pretty much the only time something goes wrong is from an actual impact or shock (ie. a pot hole)

:drama:

[Project3328]

Im gonna buy these!!!

[Brockstar]

Im gonna buy these!!!

We all anxiously await your "why don't my wheels turn the same amount in both directions?" thread.

But seriously, all other arguments aside, look at the track record for Chinese replica parts that are cast. Greddy replica oil pans? Most all of them leaked because the metal was too porous and weak, which is what made them cheaper. Greddy replica intake manifolds? Most are highly unfinished inside and don't even accept factory hardware accurately. This points to loose manufacturing tolerances and/or bad castings.

And now we have a cast part from China that is meant to bear a lot of load. I wouldn't buy this product simply from a safety standpoint. Also, where is the information on how much angle increase this product provides? What is the reasoning behind the threaded extension spacers? Perhaps that's a cheaper attemp at duplicating the Driftworks solution of offset rack spacers, except straight ones are cheaper to make? Honestly, who knows.

I'm not getting into the replica vs original debate, just pointing out concerns of quality and function.

[!Zar!]

qq more.

all of you.

[Steinkrunk]

Alittle late for a comeback but the burger/taco/tv/phone argument is moot. You bet you're ass is BK came out with a burger that was EXACTLY the same as a big mac there would be one hell of a lawsuit. All those companies have their own version of a burger/taco/tv/phone. Just like SPL, PBM, ikeya, etc. all have their OWN versions of parts for specific vehicles.

And dont try to rope replacement OEM parts in the same category as this. I feel as though you guys are missing the point and don't even realize what you are actually arguing should happen.

On one side we have people that want to support innovation. The people that know if we support these niche companies then we will only get better and better products for our investments. The more money we give to the innovators, the better materials/research/pricing they will be able to give back to us.

The other side I feel are the kids that copied off of the smart kid in high school. You are saying "it's a business" and that if one company can make a knockoff for super cheap then the original company should have been able to make it just as cheap so it's their fault for charging too much. So in reality you are saying that you would like all these aftermarket companies to use the cheapest metals/bearing/hardware they can find and not test any of their products before selling them. I can't wait for the day I can buy a set of FLCA's for $30 and when I try to bolt them up they aren't long enough, don't have the right shank and when I eventually do get them to work shatter into pieces when I drive two feet down the road. That will be awesome.

I can't really say I haven't bought a knockoff before because I have a set of XXR's. But I have learned from my mistakes, and I'm trying to move in the right direction. No more used parts and no more knockoff b/s. My hard earned money is going to the innovators, no the imitators.

And to the d-bag saying we should all be pinked WTF is wrong with you? This dude created this thread to try to start hype for this blatant copy of a product and it backfired on him. Now he hasn't posted any replies to any of our accusations because we're right. I feel bad because this dude is a middle man and he's just trying to make a buck off some broke-asses.

Still waiting for a mod to come in and make the right decisions and close this thread and ban knockoffs from zilvia. Like Dan said, if I want a knockoff I can go to eBay were there are knockoffs of knockoffs everywhere. I think of zilvia as one of the better s-chassis forums but unfortunately most of the members are fanboys that just want to look like a cool dorifto hellaflush master for as little money as possible.


This is my last rant in this thread, I have gotten my point across and I'll now wait for zilvia's response. If this thread isn't deleted by the end of the week I will delete my account and find a forum that supports its community.

[DC Dan MAX USA]

If zilvia mgmt. is afraid to take a stand for fear of loosing an advertisers income because of something I said, I will man up and pay double for my advertisers status to bolster the quality of this forum.

There will always be cheapskates. Just for you guys I will build a line of parts so effing cheap that your minds will blow and godspeed will shit themselves simultaneously.

[raz0rbladez909]

A BUNCH OF AWESOME
:love:You sir are amazing

If zilvia mgmt. is afraid to take a stand for fear of loosing an advertisers income because of something I said, I will man up and pay double for my advertisers status to bolster the quality of this forum.

There will always be cheapskates. Just for you guys I will build a line of parts so effing cheap that your minds will blow and godspeed will shit themselves simultaneously.

I'd gladly pitch in, I specifically remember THATGUY used to have a no knockoffs banner as his sig at one point. I just can't stand what the 240sx scene has become filled with, either junked up shit piles or the few guys that actually know how to build a car right. It's like nobody is willing to save up for nice shit, these new guys have this "I gotta have it now to look cool and fit in" mentality.

[curbhuggerrps13]

funny how the parts get cheaper and more abundant and the prices of the car sky rockets...but yes copying must lead you to design something mindblowing good and hard to replicate

[bigs]

The other side I feel are the kids that copied off of the smart kid in high school. You are saying "it's a business" and that if one company can make a knockoff for super cheap then the original company should have been able to make it just as cheap so it's their fault for charging too much. So in reality you are saying that you would like all these aftermarket companies to use the cheapest metals/bearing/hardware they can find and not test any of their products before selling them. I can't wait for the day I can buy a set of FLCA's for $30 and when I try to bolt them up they aren't long enough, don't have the right shank and when I eventually do get them to work shatter into pieces when I drive two feet down the road. That will be awesome

No one ever said that...

[!Zar!]

Steinkrunk knows nothing about R&D.

[RichieSR20]

This is a weird thread... Just buy PBM. Quality proven parts at affordable prices.

[raz0rbladez909]

No one ever said that...


as a business your always going to have competition selling the same shit as you. make your shit better and priced better or fail as a business.
its not like only one company can sell the same thing.
sue them and win or stfu

This thought process looks pretty close too me

[bigs]

This thought process looks pretty close too me

Better products don't necessarily go hand in hand with cheaper prices obviously...

[keytops]

Just for you guys I will build a line of parts so effing cheap that your minds will blow and godspeed will shit themselves simultaneously.

Tension arms and roll cages made out of gold plated pipe fittings, downpipes from tig welded tin cans, an L braket I can fasten to my E-brake so I can be like Ken Block?!?!?! lol

Dan I seriouisly dont know why your worried, I know people that work at fat boy garage that use PBM parts on their personal cars lol. I'm sure most people on here know this but for the few that dont; PBM sells their super angle steering kit INSTALLED for $400. You want to talk about shitting pants, I had to take a shower after I first read that.

God Speed isn't going to hurt your buisness, merely offer parts to people who cant afford the more expensive options. I would like to run all SPL but I'm too poor so I run PBM and GodSpeed, Kei office coils are nice but the PBM pros is all I can really afford. Everytime I try to order stuff your out of stock anyway, thats hurting your buisness. Plate those Z32 forks gold too, no one wants to buy black

For these knuckles I think most people will pay the $400 rather than risk a bad weld. But for a swaybar I'd go godspeed; theirs is thick, cheap and cant kill me.

Also not to knock PBM, I love PBM, but the locks on the heim joints for PBMs new prototype arms first appeared on SPLs arms and PBM is copying them.

[P-Funk alot]

its a revolving door. some where every present day company has copied someone in one way shape or form. the big companies seen a rise in demand for parts and jack there prices as high as possible and still comment about how they are here for the sport. you are here for your pocket book. i owned a shop it is what i loved to do but when i or one of my close affiliates is a distributor for a company and we get hit with a 20% hike on our prices, how are you there for the community. the big 3 companies drowned local shops out like katrina, no one wanted to buy parts due to price hikes and god speed is being criticized. develop and build your product in the states then tell me your hiking up my price or the retail price. it is incredibly disappointing that this thread turned the way it did and for max to be a reputable business and acting like a fucking child is really heart breaking. if they are copies of your product then you know what you have to do, and there is no need for bashing in public and having consumers take sides over the internet. if you feel your product is better then there is no need to worry. srry for blabbing on and no offense but the mods should have locked this up along time ago paid advertiser or not,

[DC Dan MAX USA]

SPL has slits cut 4 ways around threaded tubular adjuster with an aluminum hose clamp over it holding down an off the shelf rod end so my parts are clearly not even close, let alone a copy of spl!

P-funk That was a heap of mysterious references that did not further this conversation, they could have made changes but instead dropped that carbon copy toe rod on the market back in December and I did not say a damn thing about it, gave the benefit of the doubt that its an isolated incident but I have had enough, rightfully so and so sorry that breaks your heart man

Close it down for being in the wrong place or move the conversation to chat. But at this point we are commenting on comments & not enough on the subject matter so threads lost it's use

GS, please learn about the cars you make parts for and muster the decency to contribute something new and useful for your market other than low prices.

Zilvia management, please don't let zilvia become a collection of useless threads dedicated to knockoffs only worthy of eBay.

And now I will get back to work, and try to behave like an adult in my own designated threads.

[keytops]

http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_files/public/1309407055_2_FT4142_dsc02627.jpg

http://splparts.com/store/avactis-images/SPL_RTA_S14_1.jpg

Lol You seem awfully familiar with the design, you cant tell me yours wasn't based off of these. I'm aware they are not identical designs but if SPL hadn't come up with theirs you would not have come up with yours.

Although I would like to add that PBM is changing their design due to the godspeed knockoffs which really sucks for them but I know alot of us are looking forward to the new design.:hsdance: I'm not saying its right that your parts were copied I think its unfair too but its a part of life. But I dont believe that people who wanted to buy your knuckles will all of a sudden buy godspeeds stuff instead. Let this thread die, godspeed makes knuckles big whoop. I'm still going to buy PBM knuckles after I get a motor in my track car, so will most other people. Worry not Dan it's bad for PR

[Bry]

It's not exactly copying when design changes have been made.

Besides, there's no such thing as innovation, only inspiration :) .. It's a fine line between a carbon copy though.

[Steinkrunk]

Steinkrunk knows nothing about R&D.

Neither does Godspeed, your point?

[GripTerror]

honestly godspeed stuff is garbage, their swaybrs? Crush bent. Their LCAs, so inconsistent, rubbish welding, rubbish heim joints (that can pop out and fall out SERIOUSLY terrible it's happened) aaaanddddddd, they were supposedly 'yashio factory' copies but NOT EVEN CLOSE...

So not much to be worried about in the sense that their garbage is garbage.

Seriously pisses me off cause i have mad respect for Dan and his innovation. What I WANT he has created and i will buy (not this year as im broke at moment but i will buy spindles and LCAs for sure and will replace my SPL stuff with his, as his stuff IS better).

The quality of the coating, the quality of the lil bits and pieces, the research the trial and error.. cmon...

Even SPL was shouted out as the best but i had alot of issues with their coatings and rust... there was many runs of these arms and overal they improved, spl has good customer support... but this product at the moment is the best product on the market and price was is fair. We always want cheaper of course especially with the way the economy is, alot of us being in debt, etc... but to the point Dan if you follow his posts, threads, cmon... he is delivering high end shit for what many of you have that are SHIT BOXES...

I will never get rid of my s13 and have invested alot of time and money in it and im not yet done and always willnig to improve it... but most of you are home boy weekend drifters no shit tires and or hardparkers and cannot appreciate the fact that you are getting a product that may only be available to higher dollar vehicles like porches or bmws... so fuck off

Seriously... never bought a godspeed product even though i could have but never will.. The cheapest product i bought was ichiba 5 lug hubs and they were if i recall a knock off at the time of ATTAIN hubs... and they offered at one point a 'high performance' chromoly hub but it stopped being produced becaues of knock off shit... never had the chance to get it, it was stronger, more durable, better built and lighter than the stock stuff and hey we always wana drop unsprung weight

[blink182house]

honestly it kinda looks like a copy of the d max angle knuckles witch my buddy has a few sets he imported witch have the s13 sized hub bering so u can run ichiba 5 lug conversion or stock s13 4 lug fronts

http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-19376284961899_2165_82924779

^^^EXACTLY^^^
There're tons of companies in Japan that have been doing this same design for years now, PBM just made it affordable and popular in the states. Seriously 5 years ago most of you busters didnt even know wide angle spindles existed; they've been around for over a decade BIG WHOOP.

Dan; PBM will always be superior to godspeed. If someone is buying godspeed they most likely weren't in your customer market to begin with. Let them make mistakes and learn, once their shitty parts break they'll eventually end up with your product anyways!

This thread has made me laugh and cry... and in the end actually REPLY (which as you can tell from my post count I rarely do). LAME SHIT.

[keytops]

^^^EXACTLY^^^
Dan; PBM will always be superior to godspeed. If someone is buying godspeed they most likely weren't in your customer market to begin with. Let them make mistakes and learn, once their shitty parts break they'll eventually end up with your product anyways!

This thread has made me laugh and cry... and in the end actually REPLY (which as you can tell from my post count I rarely do). LAME SHIT.

+1 Exactly, In no way am I knocking PBM stuff! It's better than what the majority of people need. No one is proud to sport godspeed stuff but if your a drifter on a real budget thats what you buy till you can afford a more high end model. My point is Dan shouldn't even worry about GodSpeed he makes good shit and if we all had the money he would have our buisness. GodSpeed is on a different level.

@Grip terror You've never owned a godspeed product yet assume they are crap. Crush bends on a solid swaybar do not matter there's nothing to crush. GodSpeed stuff is not crap, they're budget arms. I've had GoodSpeed arms on my DD for 5 years and counting, my stock arms were bent and on a walmart salary it was all I can afford. PBM wasn't even around at the time.

Back to the facts, the SPL stuff that is rusting is STEEL which you can really only powdercoat to protect, if the powder coat comes off it will rust! PBMs (and SPLs) current arms are aluminum which can be plated with just about anything, many of which build up and into the material and protect it. Also keep in mind that aluminum is very resistant to corrosion just as bare metal. Too bad aluminum is very ductle, just ask Mat Powers; there is a literal crate full of his bent arms at PBM right now. To put a cherry on top PBMs new arms are made of steel which will eventually rust like the older SPLs. SPL is like twice the cost of PBM so your wallet can choose what to buy.

Anyway GodSpeed has new knuckles, if you can't afford D Max knuckels go PBM, cant afford PBM go GodSpeed. You get what you pay for, lets not ruin GodSpeeds thread.

For the record I wouldn't DD Godspeed knuckles and PBM does have the nicest heim joints next to the aircraft stuff.

[drift donkey]

not to stir the pot, but aren't of PBM's parts made in Japan?
Now don't get me wrong I run their parts and I like them, but no one is making parts in the USA anymore. Or am I wrong about this?

[Tantwoforty]

how many different ways can you change a suspension bar?
Im sure ill get heat for saying this
but this kind of makes me think of this...
knockoff parts are kind of like the generic brand at the store
like when you buy Shasta instead of coke..
you know it isint going to taste as good.. but your like eh fuck it i want to save a dollar.
if people want to buy godspeed stuff let them. its not your money.
your bitching isint going to stop godspeed from making products.
and it damn sure wont stop cheap people from buying those products.
i mean, Shasta has DR. THUNDER and MOUNTAIN RUSH!?!?!
you don't think those are not blatant copy's of Dr. Pepper and Mountain Dew?
and you know those company's know about Shastas obvious knockoff sodas.
yet Shasta still makes assloads of money with their knockoff sodas..

maybe that's a odd example. and i know where you guys are coming from with oh its ruing the community and taking money away form the people who do r&d
and that's all true.
but its not like this never happens. like i was trying to show with the cola thing. its going to happen, people will buy it. they will sell it. there's nothing you can do about it.
plus godspeed sponsors meets and events, they have decent customer service so its not like there just a faceless china company.
at the very least they are just above ebay, if you deny that your ignorant as shit. they DO use existing ideas, change the design a little and sell it for cheap.
thqat about the scion xB look at every car manufacture making a lame box car now and some of them are realllly close to the scion.
just sayn.. dont act like godspeed or meagan or whatever are doing something totally new and awful.. im not saying its right.. im just saying its not a new thing, and it will never stop. and its not that big of a deal. if godspeed had horrible customer service.. and say something broke and they wouldn't do anything about it.. then fine. but thats not the case.. a customer installed a godspeed t28 and it smoked like a week later.. ok its a china turbo he knew what he was buying.. but we called them and they actually drove out to us and brought us another one wich is working great.. granted now a good turbo would not have smoked. but a ebay company sure would never replace it.
even Garrett wouldn't do that

food for thought i guess..
/rant lol

[smellslikecurry]

If your shasta tastes like shit it wont kill you. When your godspeed knuckle.breaks you die.

[Tantwoforty]

If your shasta tastes like shit it wont kill you. When your godspeed knuckle.breaks you die.

This is a valid point.
Although ive never seen a knuckle break, i know what you mean.
people always talk about godspeed/meagan parts breaking and people dieing..
but someone show some proof.
and i know tons and tons of people running their suspension stuff..
it may squeak and suck.. but i never see story's of things breaking for no reason. plus if that happened more than once and someone was injured and it was really just part failure not some tard sliding into a curb wouldn't they have been sued?
im not saying it doesn't happen. just that i would like to see proof.

[PoorMans180SX]

Gp sports cast knuckles have a record of breaking from minor impacts, I can't see Godspeed doing much better quality control...

http://www.nissansilvia.com/forums/index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=208625&

[Tantwoforty]

Gp sports is not godspeed or meagan so that's not a very good example.
and i thought gp sports wasn't a crappy company, guess i was wrong hua lol
those look shitty all around, if they look visually bad why install them?

[UNITEDMASTER]

GP is china made too,c'mon all this shit is china made. So pick your favorite color,best liar,price point & buy it use it ,break it.Then buy again. Or make your own parts for your own car.Done, otherwise why continue to go round and round with this same old topic.

[ManoNegra]

Also not to knock PBM, I love PBM, but the locks on the heim joints for PBMs new prototype arms first appeared on SPLs arms and PBM is copying them.

Actually Jaguar came up with the idea a few decades ago
and the practice became widespread in serious racing
SPL recognized the need first and applied the concept to s-chassis parts


Back to the facts, the SPL stuff that is rusting is STEEL which you can really only powdercoat to protect, if the powder coat comes off it will rust! PBMs (and SPLs) current arms are aluminum which can be plated with just about anything, many of which build up and into the material and protect it. Also keep in mind that aluminum is very resistant to corrosion just as bare metal. Too bad aluminum is very ductle, just ask Mat Powers; there is a literal crate full of his bent arms at PBM right now. To put a cherry on top PBMs new arms are made of steel which will eventually rust like the older SPLs. SPL is like twice the cost of PBM so your wallet can choose what to buy.


steel is chosen for strength and price
good powder coating is actually very durable
you can also plate steel: gold, zinc, etc to protect it

aluminum is chosen for it's weight
there are many tempers of it though
6061 one is just a very widely used type and cheap because of it availability
there are tempers that are as strong as steel
plating process on aluminum are carried out for refractivity or conductivity reasons
anodizing is done commonly for corrosion prevention
SPL arm are anodized

Gp sports cast knuckles have a record of breaking from minor impacts, I can't see Godspeed doing much better quality control...

http://www.nissansilvia.com/forums/index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=208625&

Probably because they were casting their own parts
as opposed to chopping and welding
good idea but difficult and not to mention expensive to do right
and then with the rise of popularity of cheap welded knuckles
it's no surprise they don't offer them anymore

the perfect solution imo? MSI Evo type of knuckle

http://photos.motoiq.com/MotoIQ/Features/Sierra-Sierra-Evo-EVO-VIII/JEF3860-1/836498955_kYCqN-X2.jpg

and speaking of knock off artists? no mention of toogay factory?
I are dissapoint

fun read

[donut-2]

sick knuckles

[hellion240sx]

really, togue factory? hmph. Never knew.

[nightsauce]

I laughed at this thread. I'm all in for PBM parts. I work as a quality/electrical engineer and I know the importance of R&D.

[jeffwiggins]

hey if we dont have to pay 450 for pbm than who cares its bound to be coppied by someone im happy for godspeed even though im probably going to get shit on for this post WHO CARES thanks godspeed for getting us good parts at better prices

[zaquanh]

if god speed sponsors me and sends me free knuckles with that whole tie rod set up and all the extra stuff ill run it


BUT

they have to pay for my medical bills when i wreck ,


ps driving down the street will more than likely make you wreck with this stuff lol i garuntee someone will buy this and post up how they were driving NOT DRIFTING just to the gas station and some crazy shit happens haha

[smellslikecurry]

hey if we dont have to pay 450 for pbm than who cares its bound to be coppied by someone im happy for godspeed even though im probably going to get shit on for this post WHO CARES thanks godspeed for getting us good parts at better prices

Good parts?

[mike[pistonless]]

and the people at godspeed fund their cars with legit shit cause all u dumbasses be spending money on they knockoffs. the are so confident in their crappy parts that they had to give pow multiple sets of coils just incase one breaks SMH

[DJ PoW]

;4156948']and the people at godspeed fund their cars with legit shit cause all u dumbasses be spending money on they knockoffs. the are so confident in their crappy parts that they had to give pow multiple sets of coils just incase one breaks SMH

Actually, I've been on the same set of coils for how long I've had the car now and they've been great. In all honestly, what's wrong about multiple sets? It's good to have spares especially in competitive drifting.

[DJ PoW]

Neither does Godspeed, your point?

I highly disagree with this statement. Godspeed has tested MANY of their parts on a race track. R&D is learning about a product and trying to develop it. They ran in multiple time attacks and drift events using parts made by them. I believe that is more than enough "R&D".

I've personally used everything Godspeed. One product that has highly impressed me is their TD05-18g turbo. I've been running the turbo for a few months and I have nothing but great reviews about it. I'm not running a BOV and I'm sure 15psi isn't "low" at all and the turbo has held up to all of the abuse I have put it through.

As far as the angle kit goes. Who cares who copied who, an angle kit is simply an "angle kit". I would understand if there is many ways of making an angle kit but there isn't. You simple cut and reweld, how hard is that? As far as the spacer goes for the kit, its the same shit. How can someone make a different spacer when there is only a certain way of making them.

That's my opinion.... agree with me or not its on you.

[DRIFT-ELITE]

lol this thread is both awesome and sad at the same time...

[Bry]

As far as the angle kit goes. Who cares who copied who, an angle kit is simply an "angle kit". I would understand if there is many ways of making an angle kit but there isn't. You simple cut and reweld, how hard is that? As far as the spacer goes for the kit, its the same shit. How can someone make a different spacer when there is only a certain way of making them.

That's my opinion.... agree with me or not its on you.

So... you think that the angle, length and drop of the pickup point on a modified set of knuckles is irrelevant and that they're all the same?

:picardfp:

[DJ PoW]

Dude, of course there is a certain way that the angle, length and drop should be but what I'm saying is there isn't 45005523442 ways to do it. Realistically if all knuckles were painted the same color it would be "hard" to spot the differences.

[PeaceOnesxWai]

Lol, ive seen the godspeed knuckles in person and while they were making them.. It doesnt take an Einstein to have the knuckles shorten for more angle. Its not like PBM was the guys who invented the idea -_-

[jeffwiggins]

hey why isnt there someone from battle version bitching about people knocking their shit off . . . . o yeah cuz they dont care!! if you wanna buy "better" parts than do it there will alwayse be coppies and duplicates no one is putting a gun to your head and telling you they will pull the trigger if you dont buy from godspeed!! i dont get why there is 5 pages of bullshit spamming up their thread if you dont like it write a letter to godspeed and im sure they will respond to you haha

[Chaluska]

when it comes to stuff that could kill you, i tend to go name brand.. OEM Z32 brakes, Good-ridge brake lines (used like 4 sets on different cars, always perfect) KYB AGX's, Tien springs, OEM pillow ball mounts, Energy Suspension bushings, SPC RUCA (for poly bushing, not heim joints), all oem/name brand stuff.

load bearing, rotating and electrical parts, i highly suggest name brand, turbos, clutches, bearings, bushings, turbo timers, boost controllers, gauges,

But a strut bar, or an 3" intake pipe, or even a 3" exhaust,

who is stupid enough to pay 300$ for a injen intake, when your generic ebay 25$ china special does the EXACT same thing. you cant tell me an injen air filter negates the extra 275$.

or an ebay 125$ china special N1 exhaust versus a 500+$ apexi. which in my experience, the chinese exhaust fits perfectly fine. ive never had to cut or reweld on any of me or my friends s-chassis'. ever.

the ebay manifolds are really on a case by case basis, sometimes you luck out and the manifold is in perfect condition, with smoothed welds, and nice cuts, and sometimes you end up with a trashy, boogered(sp), thrown together manifold. where the extereor welds look ok, but the collector looks like someone used it as a toilet, right before they started welding

[fckillerbee]

wow.

as much as I like to back the original maker, if you make the best knuckle...why not copy the best. Who wants to make a design shittier than whats out there.

So it was copied. How else are cheaper parts made?

It's being made in china.....ummm...that's nothing new. Everything is made in China.

"they didn't do any r and d"

HEELLLLLOOOOO!!!! there isn't a price. This is a marketing ploy to get people interested, and once tested, and found safe, they can figure out the price point. If unsafe, they fix what's safe, factor in those costs, and blamo...price comes out.

I will continue to back people like pbm, as well as godspeed. If godspeed can make the same part cheaper....then why can't PBM just match that price. If PBM wants the pricepoint they want....then so be it.

Once all the "innovators" are out of business, there will be no one to copy, so then, a smaller company says fuck this, and desides to make a custom part. Enough people want custom part made, so dude keeps making it for x dollars. Dude then becomes a company like PBM....and then another guy comes around and says...why so expensive, I can have the same part made for cheaper.....

and amazingly enough.....the world keeps turning.

If you don't support it, don't buy it. But all of you, including dan, just look like a bunch of grown men crying cause someone is copying you.

I'm sorry, but if Dan wanted to, he could sell all his parts for the same price...if not cheaper since PBM's name is stronger in the community, and would sell more vs godspeed.

Would like to see vids on your guys "sponsor car" once everything is done being tested.

that is all. ;D






p.s. Love you KEN. get in here with some prices and some answers to how much angle you are getting and if there is any bind at all. Thanks sir!

[fckillerbee]

when it comes to stuff that could kill you, i tend to go name brand.. OEM Z32 brakes, Good-ridge brake lines (used like 4 sets on different cars, always perfect) KYB AGX's, Tien springs, OEM pillow ball mounts, Energy Suspension bushings, SPC RUCA (for poly bushing, not heim joints), all oem/name brand stuff.

load bearing, rotating and electrical parts, i highly suggest name brand, turbos, clutches, bearings, bushings, turbo timers, boost controllers, gauges,

But a strut bar, or an 3" intake pipe, or even a 3" exhaust,

who is stupid enough to pay 300$ for a injen intake, when your generic ebay 25$ china special does the EXACT same thing. you cant tell me an injen air filter negates the extra 275$.

or an ebay 125$ china special N1 exhaust versus a 500+$ apexi. which in my experience, the chinese exhaust fits perfectly fine. ive never had to cut or reweld on any of me or my friends s-chassis'. ever.

the ebay manifolds are really on a case by case basis, sometimes you luck out and the manifold is in perfect condition, with smoothed welds, and nice cuts, and sometimes you end up with a trashy, boogered(sp), thrown together manifold. where the extereor welds look ok, but the collector looks like someone used it as a toilet, right before they started welding


umm...there is a difference. there is going to be better flow/material in the more expensive exhaust. I know, cause AEM test this all day on their intakes in comparison to other companies. They may "look" the same. But so does hyundai and mercedes.

http://cache.jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2008/07/HyundaiMercedesMotive.jpg

[Csomme]

Quality is King.


It all comes down to that. I don't give a flying fuck what you say, there is a reason race companies and fabricators that want a good name don't use shitty Chinese materials.

[Pandapants]

Quality is King.


Really.
Idk why consumers have to do a double take on purchases between products. Too much short term thinking, and not enough long term thinking.

[PoorMans180SX]

I'm sorry, but if Dan wanted to, he could sell all his parts for the same price...if not cheaper since PBM's name is stronger in the community, and would sell more vs godspeed.

Clearly you're on crack.

You're saying that a part that takes more man-hours to make and is made with more expensive/better materials can or even should be sold for the same or less than a cheap-and-quick China part? Good joke.

Maybe these knuckles will turn out to be really nice parts, who knows. Will I buy them? No.

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[onehundredoctane]

Makes shitty product.

Keeps bumping thread where users rape it.


Only in Amurca'.

[7jpat]

has anyone actually used these yet im in the middle for doing 5 lug on my car and i dont know if i will be use s14 or s13 front hubs all depends if i get the massive angle kit