Help me find a bumper! I need more air!!!

[240silvia]

Ok search junkies, I have a job for you. I want an aftermarket bumper that's about the same size as the stock bumper, but I need more ports for air to get through. I've looked but haven't found anything. I didn't know what to put under search to I just did it this way. Anyway, post pictures or links please, I need some help.

[Dousan_PG]

1.) remove your front bumper
2.) cut out rectangle type shape in middle of bumper
3.) do same shape/size on the bumper support
4.) remove lower bumper vents


problem should much much closer to being solved

[CoasTek240]

do as dousan said + sell ur canadain daytime running lights
they block a lot of air

[Dousan_PG]

after you cut, will be like this:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid36/p3ebe66ef53fdd0f9f05cff7c800678a7/fd221e22.jpg

ya dump the daytime running lights

[Zemus]

Yea, I agree with them, cut your bumper, ive seen a few ppl do it on the forum, quite comman, good plan

[s13andy]

hey dousan where can i get that front lip on that s13? its nice

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by s13andy
hey dousan where can i get that front lip on that s13? its nice

its oem
89/90 240sx SE lip

its easy to find.

[s13andy]

and it fits right on the 91 - 93??

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by s13andy
and it fits right on the 91 - 93??

geez, what do you think by looking at that picture?

please use the search mode and do not clog up this guys thread with your own posts/questions unless it pertains to adding more airflow to his bumper or possible replacements!!

[brokenben]

pshh.. jus take off yer bumper man.. then you got lotsa air..

[nokeone]

Originally posted by dousan36
after you cut, will be like this:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid36/p3ebe66ef53fdd0f9f05cff7c800678a7/fd221e22.jpg

ya dump the daytime running lights

mmmmm...i like that!..looks good..and functional..

and yes, unnecessary daytime running lights clogging air vents = :ghey:

[HaLo]

No wonder I got rid of the vents.

Actually, I have planned something for my bumper. Tell me what you think

[HaLo]

another shot

[JasonNagra]

Doesn't look too bad! How do you plan to go about doing that?

[bobmeindertsma]

i dont know doesnt look right:confused:

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by JasonNagra
Doesn't look too bad! How do you plan to go about doing that?


jason, i dont think he actually did it yet

Actually, I have planned something for my bumper. Tell me what you think


anyways. reminds me of DRFT bumper setup.

[nokeone]

Originally posted by dousan36
jason, i dont think he actually did it yet

.

Originally posted by JasonNagra
Doesn't look too bad! How do you plan to go about doing that?

his post implied future tense as well..:p

[Dousan_PG]

damn i got schoooooled!

got my mind on vegas drifting and lessons from Izumida

d'oh! :Owned:

[nokeone]

Originally posted by dousan36
damn i got schoooooled!

got my mind on vegas drifting and lessons from Izumida

d'oh! :Owned:

hate you times infinity!!!..lol..i wish i could be there...:bash:

oh well..i'll have to settle for hanging out at the owners festival...

:(

[JasonNagra]

Originally posted by nokeone
his post implied future tense as well..:p

Werd:p

[fantasya98]

i dont think dat second set up will allow as much air in for sure, and i doubt it does alot in the first place.. i dunno?

[240silvia]

Halo that looks good. But how do you plan on doing that? ABS doesn't bend like that. When you figure out how, please let me know.

[HaLo]

I haven't figured out how getting around to do it, but I do have one spare bumper lying in my garage to try it. :)

I thought about cutting and bending. Filling the sides with fiberglass... worst come to worse, i'll simply cut it open and try to fix in in place at the desired angle and smooth everything up with fiberglass.

[240silvia]

Well please let me know when you do it. I'd love to see some pics or maybe a step by step.

Anyone else have any ideas?

[HaLo]

Why don't you try it for yourself? ;)

[240silvia]

If I had a spare bumper I would. lol. I don't want to mess up the only one that I have.

[240silvia]

Update! More air flow that isn't visible. You can't see the holes unless you look under the bumper. What do you guys think? It will look beter when painted.

Before:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid87/p33051755bdfede903700d6ceabfdcd23/fa9ee400.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid87/p6201e3e9c282571a3d23cfb894874fa7/fa9ee402.jpg

After:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid87/pce2b5acc39a5649fbf9ca3f00288e4c6/fa9ee629.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid87/pffefaa48bb94ed54bfb1172a0b331be1/fa9ee62d.jpg

[nokeone]

will need to see the finished product..right now looks rough and sloppy..clean it up and take pics..not a bad start though..

[240silvia]

Defintely sloppy, I was thinking about getting some of that black rubber line that ppl put on the edges of their car doors. and just kinda complete the square. Cheap and I think it will look good.

[HiPSI]

i think i'm going to just cut the stock mouth out larger and hack the bumper core to nothing to get some more air.

but what kind of air are you looking for? do you need it for more air to the intercooler, or are you trying to get more through the radiator? or are you adding an oil cooler or something? there's so many different ways you can go but it all depends on what you really need that air to do;)

[240silvia]

I did it to get more air to the radiator. I was having issues with my car over heating. And I didn't want to take out the running lights, or the FMIC. So I did this today, and good news, the car doesn't overheat anymore. I also raised the rear of the hood up, by placing washers between the bolt and the bracket. I plan on fixing up the holes tomorrow.

[DoriftoSlut]

Originally posted by 240silvia
I also raised the rear of the hood up, by placing washers between the bolt and the bracket. I plan on fixing up the holes tomorrow.
Bah. You are doing nothing with this. Since that is a high pressure area of your cars airflow, raising it up, makes the air coming over your hood go BACK into your engine bay. I explained it on numerous other threads. If you dont have a vented hood, the air will get trapped under your hood. blah blah blha blah blha blah. So dont do that. Seriously just trust me that its not doing anything the way you do it. (the proper way is with the use of an air deflector along that back edge and/or a vented hood).

[S13SilviaGirl]

Originally posted by CoasTek240
do as dousan said + sell ur canadain daytime running lights
they block a lot of air

I'll buy those running lights! hahaha

[240silvia]

Originally posted by Dorifto180sx
Bah. You are doing nothing with this. Since that is a high pressure area of your cars airflow, raising it up, makes the air coming over your hood go BACK into your engine bay. I explained it on numerous other threads. If you dont have a vented hood, the air will get trapped under your hood. blah blah blha blah blha blah. So dont do that. Seriously just trust me that its not doing anything the way you do it. (the proper way is with the use of an air deflector along that back edge and/or a vented hood).

What did you mean use a wind deflector? What kind of deflector can you put on your hood? I figured that it was letting hot air out. So if I remove them it will have the same effect? Any suggestions man? I'll post pictures of the finished product either Saturday or Sunday.

[vinyladdic7ion]

whats the big deal. lets end this thread by saying: GET A BOMEX BUMPER.

[stretch240sx]

Originally posted by Dorifto180sx
makes the air coming over your hood go BACK into your engine bay.

so in other words, fresh, cold air goes into your engine bay??? problem is?

[Anubis]

Just take off the front bumper = MAXIMUM AIR FLOW :D

[240silvia]

Originally posted by vinyladdic7ion
whats the big deal. lets end this thread by saying: GET A BOMEX BUMPER.

How about let's say, maybe everyone doesn't have $450 for a bumper. Even if I did, I wouldn't just get a front bumper and have the front of the car lower than the rest of it. I don't want a whole kit so Bomex is out of the question for me. This thread was to find ways around spending a huge amount of money. And that's what I did. Next time you post why don't you try to add some info.:D

[DoriftoSlut]

Originally posted by stretch240sx
so in other words, fresh, cold air goes into your engine bay??? problem is?
Why would you want fresh, cold air? Liek the purity of air cools your engine? No. Air FLOW cools the enginebay. IE, air that moves over the hotmetal and KEEPS moving in one direction and is allowed to escape from the confines of your engine bay. This DOES happen, since the air cant go up, it exits underneath your car (how it was designed).

If you have this "cold fresh air" rushing TOWARDS the front of the car, and then you have the air coming through your radiator (and in this case FMIC), they will converge at one point and cause a lot of turbulance, then disperse to random parts of your engine bay, until they find a way out (still on the bottom, since the pressure outside the car at the trailing edge of you hood is greater than the pressure forcing the air out of your engine bay.

For the most efficient set up, a vented hood is best. It allows the airflow coming through the radiator to diverge up and find a route outside quicker, where it is carried out and over the car with the other air.

Whatever... i have learned that no matter how hard i try to convince people on the internet, they will still do what they are set out to do.:rolleyes:

[240silvia]

Update, one side is finished, what do you think?

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid87/pbe1067bb44c0641412c333bf5dedae56/fa9cf250.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid87/p48f8f82c1b1e687f216de7003c6d372c/fa9cf24e.jpg

[HaLo]

I'm still going with my idea to cool down the rad. :)

[240silvia]

Whenever you do it, please let me know, I'd like to see it. Even though my issue is solved, I'd still like to see your finished product.

[HaLo]

Don't worry... the moment I do it, I'll post some pictures up. :)

[Dousan_PG]

that hack job looks horrible.

should have dumped those crappy daytime running lights.

[Zemus]

So your telling me, you cut a whole in your bumper when you easly could have removed those daytime running lights.. very stupid. very very stupid. If i had a choice to do the same I would have just took out the lights that have no purpose other than to light the way in.... THE DAY TIME! Yea they look nice. Im sure your just saying to yourself "Well my car is overheating, but hey, those daytime running lights are really nifty...

[lilredstiffy]

Original idea I guess but it looks somewhat assy. :wtc:

[240silvia]

Ok, I knew there were going to be some people that disagreed with me. I knew that Dousan was going to be one of them. But, I like the running lights. I haven't seen another 240 around that has them, so I wasn't about to take them out. You can't even see them unless you kneel down and look under the car. Plus, I changed my thermostat and bled the car for an hour, so I'm sure that had a lot to do with it. The thermostat was pretty much rusted shut. I should of changed it whenever I did the swap. Just so you guys know, I tried taking out the running lights to see if it would help, and it didn't.

And plus my girlfriend loves the running lights. And that's coming from a die hard Corvette fan (herself). :D

And Dousan, what do you think about the "raising up the back of the hood deal"? Do you think that it works

[DoriftoSlut]

Originally posted by 240silvia
And Dousan, what do you think about the "raising up the back of the hood deal"? Do you think that it works
I garantee he agrees with me. Why? We talk about it all the time. Maybe you wont be so lucky... He usually makes fun of people who do that...

But the real question is whya re you building your car around what douasn thinks? Hmm. insecure, or just a sheep? Baaaaaaaaahhhh.

[Dousan_PG]

yah i definately agree.

but if i do ill have the little hood lip (at window side)

but wont have that cuz ill have a vented hood by then :p haha

coming soon! woot!

do it the right way! :) do it one time

[240silvia]

I'm not building my car around anyone but myself. I wanted input from another perspective. That's what this board is about right??? If you are questioning something, you ask, and you shall receive. So don't criticize me about my questions. Assumptions are a bad thing to make. No one is insecure here.

[Nissan_Convert]

Originally posted by 240silvia
Update, one side is finished, what do you think?

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid87/pbe1067bb44c0641412c333bf5dedae56/fa9cf250.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid87/p48f8f82c1b1e687f216de7003c6d372c/fa9cf24e.jpg

What's the point of that? What are you gaining by venting your intercooler pipes? Do as stated above and get a vented hood if you really want air flow. The amount of air coming in is only as good as the amount of air leaving. If you got a vented hood and a nice lip, your "problems" should be solved.

[Anubis]

Get rid of those funk ass daytime running lights. Or better yet go with my original idea... NO BUMPER AT ALL!

[240silvia]

I don't understand why you guys don't like the running lights. I see posts all the time about them. And about how everyone likes them. Nissan_Convert, this wasn't to vent the IC pipes. READ the post. It was to get air into the engine bay, and ever since I did this, I haven't had any air problems. Also, if you want to send me $500 for a vented CF hood, then send it the hell on. This didn't cost me but about $6 and guess what, it works. I love cheap solutions.

[Dousan_PG]

best way for cooling (imho):

rad shrouds
NO daytime running lights (keep those spots open)
cut out on front bumper (as i first posted)
car undercarriage piece (the one that most pepole have taken off/fallen off)
rad flow director thingie (like Yashio Factory or Garage Defend)
water wetter or something like that
push fans (if you keep your clutch fan)
vented hood


um...that's all i can think of right now

[HaLo]

Originally posted by dousan36
yah i definately agree.

but if i do ill have the little hood lip (at window side)

but wont have that cuz ill have a vented hood by then :p haha

coming soon! woot!

do it the right way! :) do it one time

Dayymn. ;) I also raised my hood. ;) Oh well, I did notice a small difference in my case...

BUT I did plan to do these this winter:

Originally posted by dousan36

rad shrouds
cut out on front bumper (as i first posted)
car undercarriage piece (the one that most pepole have taken off/fallen off)
rad flow director thingie (like Yashio Factory or Garage Defend)

[cdlong]

Originally posted by HaLo
No wonder I got rid of the vents.

Actually, I have planned something for my bumper. Tell me what you think

is it just me or does that look a lot like a pignose bumper? you could probably modify one to make it flow a lot more air than the chuki bumper. having the lip (is it lower that the chuki bumper, or is that just when you add the zenki lip to the chuki bumper?) would also help create a low pressure zone under the car, pulling more air through the radiator.

i'd be willing to bet a lot of money that replacing the thermostat and bleeding the system fixed your problems. there are lots of guys running an SR with a stock bumper that don't have overheating problems. those holes and the DRLs won't change anything, they don't lead to the radiator, and going into the engine bay won't really help much.

if you are still having problems, water wetter is only $8 from summit and it works.

[240silvia]

I tried bleeding the car and changing the thermostat. It still ran hot. It didn't run fine until I did the holes. Dousan, I didn't like that hole in front of the car. Best for air, but I just think it looks bad.

[wanganwonder]

why don't you just move to alaska? lots of cold air up there.

[HaLo]

Originally posted by wanganwonder
why don't you just move to alaska? lots of cold air up there.

:rolleyes:

What a great response...

[VRT_BooZTT]

you guys are killing me. There is a simple solution..V configured set up. You'll be able to cool both the radiator and the intercooler at the same time. It's mearly a matter of making mounting brackets and some new hosing. You guys have plenty of room compared to me, so leave that excuse in McDonald Land with the plastic balls you have. ;)

[Zemus]

Originally posted by 240silvia
I tried bleeding the car and changing the thermostat. It still ran hot. It didn't run fine until I did the holes. Dousan, I didn't like that hole in front of the car. Best for air, but I just think it looks bad.

Beggers can't be choosers

[Bliss]

Originally posted by Oni
Beggers can't be choosers

Which is why he cut the holes... :rolleyes:

VRT..can you explain the V-configured setup more??

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by Bliss
Which is why he cut the holes... :rolleyes:

VRT..can you explain the V-configured setup more??

vconfig is like TMIC...like the signal cars, like koguchi's car..

rad and intercooler at a 90 degree "V" shape.

[VRT_BooZTT]

Originally posted by dousan36
vconfig is like TMIC...like the signal cars, like koguchi's car..

rad and intercooler at a 90 degree "V" shape.

Thank you Aaron...that about sums it up.

[Dousan_PG]

no problemo. actually i want that setup but im poor haha..one day..for a full track car..i would do it.

here are some pics i scanned way back when from some mags last year

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid36/p0e732469f2dc5a21b2b550bf31747d57/fd224bd1.jpghttp://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid36/p2561bcdf990427b455c7411f6af6053a/fd224bac.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid36/p027220ac84313ceb4484ae0e1fc921d4/fd224b90.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid36/p9da08801aec15953b8fccccb995fe360/fd224b85.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid61/pb67709213b3eb9414475c5e630278f7d/fc25a8c0.jpg

[KiDyNomiTe]

Hmm that hole is kinda fugly, your car will look like an alien from far. Its got 3 holes on each side, and they are all diff colors, plus its all funky and uneven.

Make those holes work like brake ducts, hit the track and put em to use :D.

You are better off making a hacked up vented hood, check 240sx.org there was a right up on it.

[240silvia]

Originally posted by KiDyNomiTe
Hmm that hole is kinda fugly, your car will look like an alien from far. Its got 3 holes on each side, and they are all diff colors, plus its all funky and uneven.

Make those holes work like brake ducts, hit the track and put em to use :D.

You are better off making a hacked up vented hood, check 240sx.org there was a right up on it.

I appreciate the idea of the brake ducts, but, what we have here is another victim of not reading the post. You can't see the holes unless you bend down and look under the bumper. And the holes is not uneven. Before I put the black stripping on, I grinded down the rough edges. Look at the finished product, it's straight.

[DoriftoSlut]

It looks ugly. Oh wait you cant see the holes... well it still looks ugly cause its a stock chuuki bumper. Heh.:doh: :D

[Dousan_PG]

yeah but even though it is chuuki bumper, i would never hack it up like that!



i love you, kouki bumper :kiss: :love:

[Anubis]

i like cookies :drool:

[kuruptR]

i had problems with cooling... i was running a clutch fan thats it, with no shroud... I put 2 electric fans and kept the clutch fan... and bam, no more problems! no cutting... DRLs suck i poped those ugly ass things out.

[nrcooled]

I was in the same boat as you so I decided to hack my bumper.
http://members.cox.net/nrcooled20/DSCF0131.JPG
http://members.cox.net/nrcooled20/DSCF0145.JPG

Not the pretiest but I don't even have to turn my fans on anymore. Just a suggestion

[240silvia]

Originally posted by Dorifto180sx
It looks ugly. Oh wait you cant see the holes... well it still looks ugly cause its a stock chuuki bumper. Heh.:doh: :D

Man you just seem like such an ass. Where is your car? What does it look like? You just seem to have such a negative attitude towards everything. You an Oni. I do have to say that from the pictures it seems like you can see the holes, but you can't. I'll take a picture tomorrow of the car to show you guys that you can't see the holes. Then maybe that will shut you two the hell up. :mrmeph: s

[KiDyNomiTe]

Originally posted by 240silvia
I appreciate the idea of the brake ducts, but, what we have here is another victim of not reading the post. You can't see the holes unless you bend down and look under the bumper. And the holes is not uneven. Before I put the black stripping on, I grinded down the rough edges. Look at the finished product, it's straight.

yup, i'm lazy, I started following it early on, then I skipped to the pics and read some replies, not all.

Anyways don't take any of our opinions as offensful, its just something some of us would not do for the fact that we would do. If it didn't cost you too much and there is no negatives for you (since looks don't bother you), then more power to ya.

And I'd like to see how it looks when I see the car as a whole.

The reason why Brake ducts would work best with that hole is cuz its really low and would have more benefits to the brakes than the engine, a few people that I have talked to that did it were real happy with the outcome, but they were hardcore track whores.

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by 240silvia
Man you just seem like such an ass. Where is your car? What does it look like? You just seem to have such a negative attitude towards everything. You an Oni. I do have to say that from the pictures it seems like you can see the holes, but you can't. I'll take a picture tomorrow of the car to show you guys that you can't see the holes. Then maybe that will shut you two the hell up. :mrmeph: s

um..i wouldnt rag on dorifto's car and all..

the dood has a 240sx fastback, with a HOT ROAD body kit from japan (only one in USA maybe) kouki sr20det, jics, nismo sss 2 way LSD, and bride brix and its all one color (car i mean)

um..what is hotroad? this body kit..exact same one. yeah a real one.

http://www.zilvia.net/photo/data/501/82864524.jpg

everything but the vented hood and wheel

instead he rocks the R33 GTR wheels with some skyline brakes underneath.


he has very good taste, as you can see.

[sykikchimp]

Originally posted by dousan36
um..i wouldnt rag on dorifto's car and all..

the dood has a 240sx fastback, with a HOT ROAD body kit from japan (only one in USA maybe) kouki sr20det, jics, nismo sss 2 way LSD, and bride brix and its all one color (car i mean)

um..what is hotroad? this body kit..exact same one. yeah a real one.

http://www.zilvia.net/photo/data/501/82864524.jpg

everything but the vented hood and wheel

instead he rocks the R33 GTR wheels with some skyline brakes underneath.


he has very good taste, as you can see.

:ghey: lol

[PooPoo240]

big hole for the fmic... nice. (http://www.cannonball-r.com/m-sports%20180sx%20type%20b.htm)

[DeSantes]

Was there a specific reason why you didn't use one continuous piece of that black molding/stripping? :nono:

It's sloppy-looking in that respect. Otherwise, nice ingenuity.

[Dousan_PG]

sykikchimp..hahaha
:rolleyes:

:p

btw, i hate the DRFT bumper since i got my kouki bumper and the new body kit soon (full kit) ack. OEM sides blow too. probably sell those shortly to a friend. anyways....i gotta get it on the car soon. painted shortly..cant wait next month! WOOT!


dorifto's car
NOT lowered and just painted (so it was dirty at the time)

mmm
i cant wait to drift it ;)

front position markers waiting here in the USA. heh..those are temporary for passing inspection in HI

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid79/pbdd9b96dff7ee96e00ed22402835f844/fb1e85db.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid79/peed2de7bc729899d56f9c5b6218fd218/fb1e85d9.jpg

that's lindsay's younger brother
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid79/pf4f9f78b538410fd84581d407cf040f5/fb1e85d6.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid79/p893d1aadfe348e9fab75b719298c3897/fb1e85d5.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid79/pbc25d8c184859845b9b9660aa4ac46d0/fb1e85d3.jpg

GODZIRA ATTACK!
PG's youngest member ;)
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid79/p55c86ee97e6e209d6f50da68e2d371a3/fb1e85cf.jpg



back to thread.
240silvia
have you looked into getting another bumper?
those 'nismo' style knockoffs are CHEAP

[240silvia]

Originally posted by KiDyNomiTe
If it didn't cost you too much and there is no negatives for you (since looks don't bother you), then more power to ya.

You are still not listening, I care a lot about looks. But you can't see the holes when you just look at the car. So they aren't even really a "looks" factor.


Orgionally posted by DeSantes
Was there a specific reason why you didn't use one continuous piece of that black molding/stripping?

I couldn't find a piece that was long enough, I do have to say that is the only thing I don't like about it, but there isn't anything I can do. Maybe I'll try forming the rubber to where you can't see where it ends.

And Dousan, I wasn't ragging his car, I was just saying that sometimes, people that run their mouth on here don't have anything done to their car. I didn't know who he was, so I was making sure he wasn't one of those people.

[Dousan_PG]

i run my mouth and i got a POS car. i aint ashamed of it!

jspec.com has a gp sports bumpa for sale

http://www.jspec.com/gpspor180typ.html

but youd need some sweet sides and rear to make it match up. GP sports will sit QUITE low over stock sides and such.

[sykikchimp]

Originally posted by dousan36
sykikchimp..hahaha
:rolleyes:

:p

btw, i hate the DRFT bumper since i got my kouki bumper and the new body kit soon (full kit) ack. OEM sides blow too. probably sell those shortly to a friend. anyways....i gotta get it on the car soon. painted shortly..cant wait next month! WOOT!


You should send me your DRFT bumper.. :boink: :p I'll give you $2 and some envelopes!! :D

Are you getting a lip for the Kouki bumper? Lipless Kouki bumper = :down: I agree the OEM sides are a little too subtle..

[KiDyNomiTe]

Originally posted by 240silvia
You are still not listening, I care a lot about looks. But you can't see the holes when you just look at the car. So they aren't even really a "looks" factor.


You still no its there dont you?

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by sykikchimp
You should send me your DRFT bumper.. :boink: :p I'll give you $2 and some envelopes!! :D

Are you getting a lip for the Kouki bumper? Lipless Kouki bumper = :down: I agree the OEM sides are a little too subtle..


haha

right now the kouki bumper has no lip :wtc:
but thats ok. bumpa was used and FREE! needs some small fixin, but i can do it easily with some patience and friends help. ;)

next FULL SPEED PERFORMANCE (shop in santa cruz) order to Japan im ordering one though. probably HOT ROAD
there are some others but HOT ROAD should be easy to locate. i got some other companies too if needs be. doesnt cost much at all < $200 iirc for FRP one (i cant afford OEM waaay too much money)

yeah OEM sides..boring. but its better then nothing!

[240silvia]

Originally posted by KiDyNomiTe
You still no its there dont you?

Yes I sure do, but, if I wouldn't of told you, you wouldn't of known it was there. See, that's the point.

Thanks for the info Dousan, about the bumper, but I like having the stock look and being a sleeper. I just don't want anything that looks fast, not yet anyway.

[DoriftoSlut]

Originally posted by 240silvia
Thanks for the info Dousan, about the bumper, but I like having the stock look and being a sleeper. I just don't want anything that looks fast, not yet anyway.
"Isn't it ironic? Dontcha think? A little tooooooo ironic... yes I really do think. Its like Raaaaiaiiaaaiaiaiiin on your wedding day. Some gooood adviiiiiiiiieeeeeiiiiiice that you just cant take."

haha anyway i just thought its funny you said that yet the only thing i see when i look at your car is a HUGE (Way too big) shiny polished FMIC. Haha. Sleeper?

[Zemus]

HAHAH wow im an ass... AHAHAHAHAH that rocks :-D

Im not an ass, im just logical, cutting a hole in your bumper and making it look shitty when you could take out a ricey f-ing light, thats not logical, thats stupid. Cut the whole in your bumper that looks alright (like the pick that dousan posted the 2 holes) and you wont have to get rid of your wonderfuly ghetto cand. lights (looks ok on some S13s, but only a few, not yours)

Also I like the sleeper comment, sleeper is an aftermarket Sidemount, and a Zenki bumper (JDM one with the SMIC whole). Thats fucking sleeper..