WHat is the 240 world coming too?

[rps13det]

I've noticed recently since D1 that there are so many ricers out there that are starting to be wannabe drifters. Thinking that if they buy a 240 or any of the japanese domestic rear-wheel drive cars(ae86, rx-7,etc) and do the engine swaps they act like they are drifters. Drifting is not cheap, need ALOT of tires and it takes alot of practice to make it right. i live in the sf bay area, and some people have been caught drifting in the streets recently, guess what's the penalty? 4pts on your record, yes its 4pts. and you have to go to court, car impounded, etc. Fun huh? doesn't this start to sound like the infamous street races that we all know about? I understand that the 240 is a cheap car to fix up and drive around. but damm the 240 is not a HONDA, the parts are expensive and obx crap does not work on this vehicle. good suspension, tires, wheels, etc. everything costs bank to fix up the 240. To those fellow 240ers that know how i feel please respond to this . You gotta PAY if ya wanna PLAY. easy as is. right now, i'm selling my 240 due to personal reasons, and have found many stupid people who are rice converting into wannabe drifters interested in the car. I'm not being conceited or egotistic, i'm just writng my feelings out on the 240 trend right now. i get questions such as "Are you the ORIGINAL owner?" does that really matter when you are looking for a 10-14yr old car to fix up? i doubt it. and other questions such as " does base model come with sunroof and p/w?" dammit, its base model, what do people not understand about base model. everything is manual. after selling my car, i really want to upgrade to a s14b, but from what i see where the trend going nowadays, i'm starting to doubt that.

[JasonNagra]

Anothe reason why I am going to get another car for a daily driver so I don't have to deal with new wave of ricers who can and potentially will jack my car. Get an older infiniti for daily driver, and put the S13 away for track only. Whenever I go to track days I never see ricers, its nice that way. ;)

[matlock]

Word to that, Rice is so annoying, and I love drift, I am a totally newbie and I am not some pro, but you need to start somewhere right? I am turning my S13 into a total sleeper, no exterior mods until there is the HP to back it up. I love it because I have done some little mods (exhaust, Intake) and people in my little shit town always try to race me and its just sad that a 240 with basic mods womps em. Everyone here has like a cavelier with euro lights and body kits and thinks that adds like 400 horse......its annoying. I agree that it sucks that people are taking 240's and sucking em up, but at least some of can do it right eh.

[D Ruck]

I don't see too much of a problem with drifter ricers. There are only going to be a select few people who have the money, know how, and desire to bulid a real drift 240, and for every real drifter there will be 20 wannabes who don't have the money or whatever. I by no means am a ricer, my project 240 will be pushing 420whp :D I would much rather see nice 240s, but I don't get mad at immitators.

[Maeda]

I think drifting and ricers go hand in hand...

Driftings about car control and showing off? Ricers are all about the showing off... and since the true essence of being "cool" is making really hard things look easy, looking good would come from making a hard to control maneuver look easy...

Drift = Rice

YES that makes me a total rice boy. =D Where's my led squirters... I already got an option2 sticker....

[Matt_240]

Originally posted by rps13det
and other questions such as " does base model come with sunroof and p/w?" dammit, its base model, what do people not understand about base model. everything is manual.

some basemodels come with sunroof, pwr everything just no 5lug hubs. i have an (ex)auto 95 basemodel with pwr everything w/ abs and lsd. its all about options.

but i see your point. i see alot more young kids driving 240s around than 6 months ago. just the other day i saw three s14s in a row (span of 2 minutes). people ive never seen before driving them. just the way it goes.

if you just change the way you think tho... im actually hoping people buy 240s and rice it out, pose like they drift, dont drive it, and then get tired of it a couple years from now when the trend ends. that way more for us!! we'll still have low mileage 240s to buy in a few years!! sure they'll have hideous paint, ugly wheels, and colorful interior but who cares! therefore more rice = good. if everyone was hardcore drifter types then the numbers of 240s will dwindle. thats just my "glass is half full" thinking..

[S13SilviaGirl]

Personally, I am tired of everytime I park one of our 2 nice 240's I get the must ask question "yo, you got an sr in that thing?" or "wow, you gots a silvia!" and trying to explain to them that it has the stock motor, it's like this : :bash: :hammer: then they ask if I race it! hahaha :rolleyes: ehhh I guess it is due to all the magazine coverage of drifting now...and D1 making such a huge hit. I think a lot of nice 240's will be damaged in their attempts to drift, but hopefully the ones doing it on the street will get caught too many times, break tc rods and undercarriage stuff and give up. I agree it is a VERRRRYYYYYYYYYY expensive sport, not as cheap as racing straight out. But for the few that can afford to do it and do it safely...I am all for it! I just hope no one does anything stupid to hurt or kill any innocent people.:bow:

[S13SilviaGirl]

Originally posted by Matt_240
some basemodels come with sunroof, pwr everything just no 5lug hubs. i have an (ex)auto 95 basemodel with pwr everything w/ abs and lsd. its all about options.

Hey Matt I think RPS13 was talking about his s13, not an s14. hehehe and our little s13 base models didn't have spiffy s14 options..:cry: :wtc: I am jealous, you guys got all the cool stuff....seats, nice powerlocks on em, some models with 5 lug....ok I am done now! :D

[Nissan240SX]

Hey Matt I think RPS13 was talking about his s13, not an s14. hehehe and our little s13 base models didn't have spiffy s14 options.. I am jealous, you guys got all the cool stuff....seats, nice powerlocks on em, some models with 5 lug....ok I am done now!

Some S13's are that lucky :D but then again i have the SE model with super hicas and LSD

But on another note i have had my 240 for a year and a half now. When i first got it there were no 240's in my town. Now there are 10 of them and they continuesly tell me about the Silvia conversions and what engine I should put in mine. Even had one kid ask me if i was going to Dub my car. I was like :bash: have you lost your mind. But hey maybe the fad will die out soon that way we can all have the cars the true enthusiast (SP).

[Got Sileighty?]

hahaha this is pretty funny, about a week ago, i was on my way home from work. i was about to make a left turn when i saw this civic hb coming straight towards me. then he tries to drift the rigth turn (into the street im gonna turn left into). he skids a little bit then i hear a crash! so im already starting to laugh inside. i turn left and what do i see?? the moron ran straight head-to-head into a minivan that was on THE OTHER LANE :boink: :bash: the lesson of the story? kids need to stop watching intial d ;)

[CoasTek240]

over the course of 4 years i've owned 2 240s. A 90fastback and a 92 coupe. i love 240's. i daily drive, not hitting the track much. i have noticed everyone aroudn with a 240 wants to make it the greatest car ever. drifting or road racing or drag racing. i like to have fun in my car. i love driving around on country roads. i love working on the car, going to auto-x's. i would love to learn how to drive better, go to some schools/events. i would love to participate in some drift events. (my first will prolly be the 15th) i am 19 attenting college, my 240 is not my whole life, but a huge part of it. its my hobby. if your a true enthusisast, youll stick with it through this crazy fad. chill. people will get sick of em and want AWD next. or go back to V8 raw power again. who knows?

[Zemus]

Yea Im kinda glad ricers are getting into it, cuz they will buy all this expensive stuff, find out that cant drift worth crap, and then sell it all to me and get a honda. HAHA. Yea I used to get civics to try to drift next to me, i was like "HAHA SUCKA, you hit a curb you n00b".

I have owned my 240 for a bout 2 years now, and if I count my parts car i have 2 (Which very funny story I bought from a ricer, who bought it cheap, cuz it was all f-ed up, and was going to make it a "drift car" but it had 2 many problem, i ended up getting the car for free.. hah got to love ricers who try to get into it, but then give up.. Also might I add its a 91 with a DOHC, which will be put in my car soon, AH) Noob ricers, love it, keep em comming, cant wait to get one that doesnt understand how to get the SR in their, and they give up and give me an SR, HAHAHA

[Matt_240]

Originally posted by Oni
Yea Im kinda glad ricers are getting into it, cuz they will buy all this expensive stuff, find out that cant drift worth crap, and then sell it all to me and get a honda. HAHA. Yea I used to get civics to try to drift next to me, i was like "HAHA SUCKA, you hit a curb you n00b".

I have owned my 240 for a bout 2 years now, and if I count my parts car i have 2 (Which very funny story I bought from a ricer, who bought it cheap, cuz it was all f-ed up, and was going to make it a "drift car" but it had 2 many problem, i ended up getting the car for free.. hah got to love ricers who try to get into it, but then give up.. Also might I add its a 91 with a DOHC, which will be put in my car soon, AH) Noob ricers, love it, keep em comming, cant wait to get one that doesnt understand how to get the SR in their, and they give up and give me an SR, HAHAHA


that is exactly what im talking about. im all for ricers as long as they dont crash teh car. i hope they spend their money on $4000 body work and paint, i hope they get an sr, and i hope they leave their car at home and only take it out for car shows. i can't wait to see in the classifieds a few years from now.. 91 240sx sr20det 60miles on chassis, 40,000k on engine, excellent condition for $2300.

[boro240]

sucks for me, cause my car recently got hit and totalled. now i have to look for a new 240 in a small market (hawaii) already saturated with eager buyers and outrageous prices. seems very bleak already.

[holisticbeatz]

rps13det: your entire post is full of nonarugmentative rhetoric.

Are you a drifter? Stop :cry: because :gives:

[rps13det]

hollisticbeat, no offense, but you should not be talking about me and my opinion about the current trend that the 240's are heading, you homepage leads to a ricer parts website, so my post contradicts your site in general:confused:

[holisticbeatz]

rps13det, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this board is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.

[hondaguy]

come on now guys..increase the peace:D

[matlock]

Agreed HondaGuy, this is a forum to voice your opinions not get all cheesed off at everyone. Maybe I am wrong but thats just my .02

[JasonNagra]

I could care less if ricers get into it. More group buys and cheaper parts fo me along with better overseas parts in general. BUT, I am just very scared of car theft, and thats my only problem. Thats why the S13 hatch will be track only (garaged far, far away), and the coupe and my next car(daily driver) will be for the street. Drift=rice ya I agree. But I am not ONLY drifting. I plan on doing just as much grip as well. I dont care what anyone says, to be a good drifter you must be a more than competent gripper. They go hand in hand. The rice boys or whatever you call them will try to drift, and they will fuck up, HARD. Then they will quit. Then I will buy all there parted out shit for cheap. Don't mean to sound like a bastard but thats the way it is. I am all about car control at this point. Dont care for HP, the KA has enough. Just need to learn all I can. The S13 is a great chassis (cheap, plentiful, rwd, kinda light) and its how I am planning on getting into motorsports. I have told this to every ricer, enthusiast and every other person I have talked to about cars. Just my .02

[rps13det]

i'm just voicing my opinion out on things, and holisticbeat is trying to act like a wannabe moderator in telling people what to do.

[Legacy]

Ricers will be Ricers... just let them be.

If you guys think it's bad for us S-chassis guys, think about how it is for all the people that know how to build a Honda the right way. It's horrible. I think I have a stronger tolerance for rice now because before I got my S13 I was really into Honda EKs. 50% of all Honda Forums are all ricers asking rice questions with wild bodykits and think they're awesome. Now a days, it's near impossible to get any respect driving around a civic.

I'm just happy I get respected at all. Also really happy that there aren't S13/14 Altezzas floating around the market. Besides, most ricers that buy RWD cars end up crashing them within the 1st few weeks of owning them anyway.

[t0rn]

Errm, just because people work on exterior looks, it doesn't mean they are ricers... I think most of you people are jealous that people can afford to work on engine AND exterior appearance... Remember, if they have money, it's because they've earnt it. No need to be haters.

[old_s13]

Well... AutoDynamic IS just another site in the industry selling any and every aftermarket part just to make a buck. Just look at their lighting selection. I am not saying this to step on any toes, just agreeing.. thats all.

As for people who arent die-hard enthusiasts, who cares. Survival of the fittest, I say. More crashed cars, less idiots in the world.

Its easy to tell the hardcore enthusiasts from the fakers. While fakers have nice glossy paint, mandatory ghetto SR swap, and overpriced wheels and coilovers -- you'll find the hardcore enthusiasts either driving their cars at the track or in the streets/canyons, doing what they do best.. honing and perfecting their skills.

Ive heard too many hardcore people say it, they say "look at my paint, the chips show wear because the car has been DRIVEN." If your car looks pretty, then you probably arent driving your car.. its sitting too much. If your tires are never worn, you are driving like a pansy. If you need an SR to perform a drift, you are simply confused.

Whatever happened to people being modest. I guess nowadays its just easier to talk. Its easier to shell out money for a coilover upgrade, rather than shell out the time and effort to learn how to drive and focus on car control.

- Mike

[matlock]

Originally posted by t0rn
Errm, just because people work on exterior looks, it doesn't mean they are ricers... I think most of you people are jealous that people can afford to work on engine AND exterior appearance... Remember, if they have money, it's because they've earnt it. No need to be haters.

Okay that is all good and true, but the difference is that someone with a car, but the thing is if someone has money to do it they are gonna do it right and not put some $15 ebay wing on it, or some neon shift knob. That is my definition of rice, not having a body kit or rims, but when you throw some haneous body kit and 20's on a 240SX you are just plain stupid not a ricer, a ricer would put some local Wal-Mart "hubcab spinnerz" on his steelies that would be cool as steelies, and he would put some neons and his aluminum wing that he picked up for $15 off ebay. I guess its all personal preference I guess I would rather throw a ton of money under the hood and have a Sleeper, than have a car that rips and looks cool that the cops will find right away and that people will more than likely vandalize. Just my 2 Cents on the whole deal!

[stumpz]

hey coastek, i will be at the drift event at cloverleaf as well on the 15th, but i do not believe i'll have my car running properly. i'll be up there w/ a few of my friends..one has an 85 red beamer (drives pretty well) and the other has a red 1st gen (i believe) rx7. get at me on aim at turb0stump sometime before the event.

[chokudoriS13]

Originally posted by holisticbeatz
rps13det, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this board is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.

You tell him, Kenny :D.

[Zemus]

Originally posted by old_s13
Ive heard too many hardcore people say it, they say "look at my paint, the chips show wear because the car has been DRIVEN." If your car looks pretty, then you probably arent driving your car.. its sitting too much. If your tires are never worn, you are driving like a pansy. If you need an SR to perform a drift, you are simply confused.

Whatever happened to people being modest. I guess nowadays its just easier to talk. Its easier to shell out money for a coilover upgrade, rather than shell out the time and effort to learn how to drive and focus on car control.

- Mike

Very nice very nice, could not agree more.

All I here now a days is.."I cant drift till I get LSD" (After getting LSD, usualy the most expensive) "I cant drift till I have coilovers" (Buys like Kei office or some super expensive coilover) "Well I need turbo to drift, I need an SR" (Gets an sr now their at more than likley 10k in mods) ME: So now your going to drift? (Trys to drift, Looks like a struggle of spinning out and understeer) "Looks like you need more practice" -Me. Ricer "No i need new <Place here a random part that has nothing to do with them f-ing up>.

Me.. Stupid Noob

[Raine]

I will only defend ricers in one aspect : without the thousands of them all over the streets, the Import market wouldn't have gotten to where it is now.

Now on the other hand, I don't care if some ricer spends $27094820398 making a drift machine clone. Good for them. I'm sure it's up to them how they want to spend their (parents?) money.

I'll just wait until they actually show up at the track (entered, not in the parking lot) then we can see who's pure and who's "ex-ricer drag racer street fast and furious converterd to now I'm mr. drift because I bought a FR" :D

[Zemus]

Ive seen it to many times, 2 sets of words come to my mind when i see ricers drift

Massive Plowing

(And if hey have an sr) Spinning Out

[rrobe99999]

The new drifting trend should have a positive impact on the automotive market. Automobile manufacturers devote a market segment to produce cheap cars that kids buy. The riced out civics have lead to the Ford Focus, Dodge SRT4, and Chevy Cavalier. All have big support from the factory and aftermarket to add performance mods. When they notice that kids want RWD cars now, they will likely begin producing cheap RWD cars like the 240SX. It will probably take a few years for them to catch up, and by then it will be time to get rid of our 240s and buy something newer.

[russian]

no cavaliers please. hmm well if it waws rwd.:rolleyes:

[mixedwell]

well i feel kinda bad cuz i introduced the 240sx to a bunch of my honda freinds (90% of which are ricers) and wow! thanks to the fast and the furious they all have one. ok but anyways... ahaha none of the run, are broken cuz of "drifting" or they just couldn't do anyhting with it. so my pointless post was this-

ricers stay away. although there are lots of ricers that do a nice job with the 240. anyways. im nuetral. let them spend their money, let them crash, let them part it out to us, and lets reap what they lose. its sad but true.

-mixedwell ;)

[Zemus]

Just make sure they buy HQ still (rarley they do) Just follow ricers around, with HQ stuff, challenge them to drifting crap, watch them crash, right when they crash, get out your cheap book and do what you can to get some cool parts from them, before the cops come

[old_s13]

torn> Remember, if they have money, it's because they've earnt it. No need to be haters.

Says who? I know plenty of rich fucks who have money for ALL the wrong reasons. Not that it bothers me, I just keep doing what I love in life. Come to LA and experience the fake-ness, BRO. Thats right, BRO.. because thats what everyone calls eachother out here, BRO.


matlock> the difference is that someone with a car, but the thing is if someone has money to do it they are gonna do it right and not put some $15 ebay wing on it, or some neon shift knob.

I know people who are poor as shit, and rely on their skills and hard effort to build their cars. It takes them super long, but all the hard work pays off and they end up with a car that is extremely impressive. I know people who have money, who are absolutely clueless and do everything wrong. Like anything material, money is basically a tool.. and there are still PLENTY of people who dont know how to use it. I've seen Ferrari's with gaudy modifications.. so its quite obvious that good taste and money do NOT come hand in hand.


raine> I will only defend ricers in one aspect : without the thousands of them all over the streets, the Import market wouldn't have gotten to where it is now.

Are you kidding me? You are saying that the lameasses in this industry are responsible for building it? Bullshit, they're only responsible for making companies like APC grow into large mounts of crap like they are now. In my eyes, people who modify their car without taste only serve ONE purpose: they make it WAY easy to identify people who DO know how to properly modify their cars. Most of the time while I am driving, this is what goes through my mind:

"stock accord, stock bmw, stock mercedes, crappily fixed up civic, stock accord, stock civic, corolla with gay fart exhaust, stock accord, stock mercedes, ooooooh niiiiice 350Z!"


I'll just wait until they actually show up at the track (entered, not in the parking lot) then we can see who's pure and who's "ex-ricer drag racer street fast and furious converterd to now I'm mr. drift because I bought a FR"

Yeah.. very true. But at the same time, I dont think the Drag Scene should be that tainted, just because its an "american thing." Every culture has its preferences, americans do american things. While I dont necessarily LIKE drag racing, I still find it amusing. Regardless of whether someone USED to drag race and NOW is getting into DRIFTING, or tomorrow he's getting into RALLY racing.. what matters is whether they love the sport or not. What always bugs me are people who go for a certain LOOK, but dont care about anything else.. I've always hated veneer-racers, who THINK they are drag racers, or THINK they are into drifting.. and in reality, they are just idiots giving out false impressions. Regardless if you love drag, drift, grip, or rally.. what matters is being passionate about what you do.


rrobe99999999999> The new drifting trend should have a positive impact on the automotive market.

MAYBE. The reason why FWD vehicles were created were for economy and to reduce costs, period. Yes, some pretty amazing cars have come out that are FWD, but their entire purpose was to reduce costs and be economical. While RWD MAY be getting more popular again, the bottom line is: they cost MORE to produce. I cant imagine ANY car mfg selling a vehicle that is DESIGNED to have major over-steer and easy loss of traction, that is dangerous to sell and would easily ruin their reputation. Just think how FEW people know, understand, and appreciate drifting.. we're a pretty small crowd still. The chances of an mfg creating such a vehicle are slim, but atleast they'll wake up and hopefully realize that:
a) People still love light, inexpensive, RWD vehicles
b) Not everyone WANTS over-engineered cars with crap like stability control and ABS, some people love very basic Miata-like platforms.

- Mike

[fliprayzin240sx]

See all I can say is who can say what is rice and what is not rice??? Its all personal preference and $$$ issue. As said before, not all people can afford to make their car look good while goin fast. i personally attest that ive done my car a$$-backwards cuz I went for the exterior first. But then again, I dont drift, drag or auto-cross. Plus I have a heavy foot...if i did put in engine goodies in my car then id be broke as a joke cuz of tix.

Yes its sad that 240s are the new trend. Prices for the cars are going up, but then again...maybe its time to sell my car and get a 350Z?!?! :D

[JasonNagra]

Agreed w/ Mike.

On another note: Mike you didn't respond to my last email...

[Zemus]

I totaly agree with mike

I have started to get flak from ricers for drifting, one time stand out in my head.

I was at a local street racing location, talking to a few ppl. And I was standing next to my car, and some kid comes up to me, making fun of drifting. I defended it as much as I felt I had to, and I figured, hey more than likley he is driving a Mustang or somthing, but to my suprise, he was driving a G20 totaly RICED out (euros, steelies, 1 crome wiper). Quite confusing..

[KoukiS14]

Originally posted by holisticbeatz
rps13det: your entire post is full of nonarugmentative rhetoric.

Are you a drifter? Stop :cry: because :gives:

:cool: I'm proud to say I know the guy that created that sign.

[aznpoopy]

who gives a crap if 240s and drifting is a trend. you do what you do and drive what you drive cuz you like it. that's all there is to it.

a true enthusiast enjoys his car for what it is and what he does with it. a true drifter who loves his drift set up civic... thats an enthusiast. why? b/c he'll get shit from FR nazis telling him civics can't drift, his car is gay, etc etc. who the hell are they to say what drift is and isn't. as long as he isn't posing and he's doing it, thats cool by me. he's someone who enjoys the track and the car, not the attention.

on the other hand, people who own or modify a car just for status and show... thats rice. i dont care if you're driving a s14, a corvette, a brand new stock 350z, a bmw m3, or a slammed civic with a giant wing... they are all the same to me. if you're a fucktard who bought/modified it ONLY cuz its popular and/or you want to impress people, thats rice. similarly, if you own a 240sx just b/c you want people to say, 'oh you're cool for owning a 240sx,' then i don't care if you've had it for a month or a decade, that is rice.

my 2 cents.


:D

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by aznpoopy
who gives a crap if 240s and drifting is a trend. you do what you do and drive what you drive cuz you like it. that's all there is to it.

a true enthusiast enjoys his car for what it is and what he does with it. a true drifter who loves his drift set up civic... thats an enthusiast. why? b/c he'll get shit from FR nazis telling him civics can't drift, his car is gay, etc etc. who the hell are they to say what drift is and isn't. as long as he isn't posing and he's doing it, thats cool by me. he's someone who enjoys the track and the car, not the attention.

on the other hand, people who own or modify a car just for status and show... thats rice. i dont care if you're driving a s14, a corvette, a brand new stock 350z, a bmw m3, or a slammed civic with a giant wing... they are all the same to me. if you're a fucktard who bought/modified it ONLY cuz its popular and/or you want to impress people, thats rice. similarly, if you own a 240sx just b/c you want people to say, 'oh you're cool for owning a 240sx,' then i don't care if you've had it for a month or a decade, that is rice.

my 2 cents.


:D

took the words right out of my mouth

and he didnt wash his hands before doing such! sicko!!! :D

[jenne313]

Much like "bomb", "lamb", "brat", and "nads", the word "ricer", when repeated time and again, begins to lose its meaning and starts to sound like wasted phoenitcs.

We are what we are, and you should be confident and assured in your position and attitude in life. "Wanna-bes" "ricers" "posers" and all the other insolent posturing idiots will always exist, so just enjoy your sport (or lack thereof) and get on with your life. I would love to see this anti-rice timewasting put to rest. My .02.

[old_s13]

ah yes, the wonders of having control over your own computer and hence, having the capability to CLICK on other topics of interest! :)

[jenne313]

Actually, sweet cheeks, I'm hard-pressed to find a topic that doesn't have some 240 owner or another complaining about, crying over, laughing at or remarking about "rice" in it.

.02 + .02 = .04

And there were 2 pages of posts, why single mine out, oh-jaded-one?

:p

[aznpoopy]

c'mon jenne, anti-rice threads are fun. challenging preconceptions are fun too. i'm probably the only one who considers the 50 year old dude in a corvette with bling bling rims cruising down rt 18 a ricer. :D

plus if u really wanna talk about time-wasting, i'm pretty sure all this stressing over my car, saving up for road courses, learning about mechanics, and interacting with other car enthusiasts will amount to pretty much nothing during the course of my life. but it's damn fun.

[quote]you should be confident and assured in your position and attitude in life. "Wanna-bes" "ricers" "posers" and all the other insolent posturing idiots will always exist[quote]

100% agreed.

[gijoe69]

hell yea! I totally agree about this topic! haha...only thing I would really like to say is the movie Fast and Furious fucked up our racing scene..after that movie came out...too many wannabe racers out there thinking there cool, thinking there piece of shit honda is fast with some gay ass Euro lights with the fuqing stickers! fuq dat movie.. that shyt fuqed up our scene...I remember going to Milpitas going to the runs with no police out there use to be car after car lined up....mang good old days!...and yes drifting cost alot of money..I rember when I tried to drift for first time... fuq I took a turn too hard and hit a phat ass curb with no p/s on my first 240..I hit the curb and bent my rim, snapped off my tie rod, bent my lower control arm....shyt that was a good learning experience..but yah so many wannbe drifters out there now these days...alot of people think they can imitate Initial D and every body wants to be Takumi with a AE86...shyt my friend is a dummy for buying an 85 corolla gts for 6000 in milipitas hella stupid but yah movies & cartoon's fucked up the scene! well dats all I can say for now!

[wingsnthangs]

1. "Rice" lacks significance.
What is "rice" in the automotive context? Essentially, it can be widely agreed on that it means "ugly". If you were to replace "rice" with "ugly", and "ricer" with "person with bad taste" in your anti-rice arguments, your argument would sound pretty weak and childish, wouldnt it? That's how it all sounds to me.

2. The rice argument is endless.
Here's how the typical conflict is:

Jack accuses John of being a "ricer". John defends himself by stating he has a freedom of expression and it is all in the eye of beholder. Jack says he has the freedom to free speech and he is allowed to say anything he fuckin wants.

As you can see, both are justified in their damn freedoms and the argument loops endlessly with no point. Words are wasted, as both people affirm their opinion and neither will change. And if they do change, who cares? Are you guys going to become blood brothers? NO, CUZ ITS ONLY A CAR AND IT AINT YOURS.

The term "rice" is thus too vague, too subject to interpretation, and offensive to the point that someone even takes it as an insult. Why? Because guys take too much pride in their cars and get too touchy about them. This is generally inevitable in any car community.

3. A logical deduction about rice.
So essentially I have made a general conclusion, which I think is pretty accurate to the masses. Accusations to all rice point toward the aftermarket, something unnatural compared to the stock form of the car. No one seems to be justified in calling stock stuff rice. In short, all rice is aftermarket, but not all aftermarket is rice (this is where all the subjectivity comes in). So, by default, only stock factory OEM manufacturer items and cars are NOT rice. Maybe a little plainer than you'd like, but definitely not rice. So if you want to make sure your car is not rice, stay stock. If you don't care, and you do mod your car with aftermarket stuff, then dont even start with this whole rice argument, as you are potentially a ricer in someone else's book.

Rice is thus a poor means of classification.

Of course, there are those who consider anything coming out of Asia rice, which would make stock Japanese cars "rice", but this argument is just ignorant and potentially racist.





4. Finally
There are those who don't give a fuck about rice, dont accuse people of it, dont take it to heart, and dont use it for classification. I congratulate these people.:bow:

[aznpoopy]

What is "rice" in the automotive context? Essentially, it can be widely agreed on that it means "ugly".

not neccesarily. rice can look really nice. i for one think show cars look nice. that doesn't mean they are not rice.

Accusations to all rice point toward the aftermarket, something unnatural compared to the stock form of the car. No one seems to be justified in calling stock stuff rice.

the difference in our opinion stems from the fact that you associate rice with the vehicle. i associate rice with the person, in the context of his/her car. as jenne stated so eloquently, "...you should be confident and assured in your position and attitude in life. "Wanna-bes" "ricers" "posers" and all the other insolent posturing idiots will always exist..." anyone under this description, as applied to a vehicle, would be what i consider 'rice.'

thus, the insecure middle aged man buying a corvette so people will acknowledge him is rice. the snooty lady in a 350z who can't drive and doesn't appreciate the intricacy or danger of a rwd is also rice. they have the *exact* same mentality as the kid in the slammed civic with a giant spoiler and fake intercooler. 'please look at me, acknowledge me, envy me; because i've got a nice car.'

Rice is thus a poor means of classification.

so true. but it rolls of the tongue so well!

Of course, there are those who consider anything coming out of Asia rice, which would make stock Japanese cars "rice"

been to the corvette forums hmm? i aggravated a few of them by accusing them of being ricers. how funny :P anyway its all silly internet debate and i'm just a bored azn kid stuck in an office until 5. good points though! normally i would agree with you. it would be better if we all just stopped hating on each other. oh well.

[TokyoDrifterXo7]

monkey see monkey do. lol Better then streetracing tho. I've been taking my 240 rally racing. I live right by the rally tracks. It's really good practice drifting and i dont endanger anybody. There's so many trails i havent even been on yet. I will soon conquer these hills. then when i turn 18 i will hit the tracks! Then i will conquer those. as long as they keep it off the streets and keep there cars clean then im ok with it. Just sucks to hear that people ruin good things:mad:

[wingsnthangs]

Originally posted by aznpoopy
not neccesarily. rice can look really nice. i for one think show cars look nice. that doesn't mean they are not rice.
Be honest with yourself. If not yourself, consider the general public of car enthusiasts in our demographic. How many people happily go to a car show and call the cars they like there "rice"? Assuming you are not African-American, you don't go to the Apollo theater and say "Those n*ggers were so nice" or "You're the nicest n*gger I've ever met". Analagously, rice is simply derogatory by the sheer existence of its word in context to cars.

Originally posted by aznpoopy
so true. but it rolls of the tongue so well!
Unfortunately.

Originally posted by aznpoopy
been to the corvette forums hmm? i aggravated a few of them by accusing them of being ricers. how funny :P
Exactly why it should be deemed irrelevant to cars. Enthusiasts get too fucking personal about the subject.


You brought up good points about mentality, aznpoopy, but there are better ways to call someone a showoff other than using "ricer". Like calling them a "show off" or "attntion whore" or "mid-life crisis man". Rice is so subjective to interpretation that it is irritating to read or hear educated enthusiasts in our demographic using it to make a point or to seriously express an opinion. It's as if it is a default insult when you have nothing else to say about a driver or his/her car.

[Xren17]

The only thing I'm worried about now is cops thinking every 240 is a drifter and that you're up to something. The same way they assocaite every modded civics as racers. Alot of ppl out there haven't been getting flack for having an SR and what not but wait until enough ricers start getting pulled over, that's going to make life harder for the rest of us.

[slos14]

the 5 things i hate about the people on the s13/s14 banwagon...
1. 2 years ago i was the only red s14 in ofallon mo now there is like 12 and they are all riced out .

2. just cause you have a 240 does not mean you have a silva.
3. when i see 240 with gtr stickers on them .
4. when people buy a nice 97-98 s14 and rice them out
5. last but not least when they put huge fucking wings on them


thats what I think about the new 240 world

justin

[Raine]

raine> I will only defend ricers in one aspect : without the thousands of them all over the streets, the Import market wouldn't have gotten to where it is now.

Are you kidding me? You are saying that the lameasses in this industry are responsible for building it? Bullshit, they're only responsible for making companies like APC grow into large mounts of crap like they are now. In my eyes, people who modify their car without taste only serve ONE purpose: they make it WAY easy to identify people who DO know how to properly modify their cars. Most of the time while I am driving, this is what goes through my mind:

"stock accord, stock bmw, stock mercedes, crappily fixed up civic, stock accord, stock civic, corolla with gay fart exhaust, stock accord, stock mercedes, ooooooh niiiiice 350Z!"
- Mike [/B][/QUOTE]

I'm not kidding you, and I didn't say exactly that "lameasses are responsible... blah blah blah" whatever you said. And it's not bullshit - as much as you hate "ricers" (which in itself can be taken as offensive and racist, but that's another subject) fact is that the consumer is the driving force behind not only the success of any product (good, like engine mounts OR bad like euro-clear crap) but also the inclination of the manufacturer to create, design, or invent more products for the benefit of the consumer. Whether that benefit is to give US better handling vehicles, or if that benefit is to make "Ricers" look lame is up to the consumer and what they choose to buy. In return the consumers (which includes us, if you for got about that) get the freedom of more choices. Thus in the end the consumer decides whether to put good or bad parts on their car - a choice that might not have been available if there was only one manufacturer for one particular part.

Now then, companies like APC - good for them if they blew up to how big they are now. I'm sure if you started a business you'd want it to grow like APC did. But don't knock APC because they may be benefitting us "real" tuners/modifiers/etc. If you look at their market strategy they're going primarily for the show crowd i.e. "less-function/more fashion". Chrome fire extinguishers, super shiny intakes, really bad "racing" seats, etc. And yeah - it may upset you that those less informed are buying all of that stuff up. But they do serve a purpose - to provide for those "Ricers".

And this "240 bandwagon" stuff might upset a lot of real 240SX fans but it's a blessing in disguise. When Honda's first started getting popular with the old school drag racers, a lot of kids jumped on that bandwagon... fast forward to today and look how much aftermarket products they have compared to us, and look how many companies are developing their own product line to cater to the Honda/Acura crowd. With the current "Drift trend" that's going on, it only helps us because with more people (roce or not) looking for parts for our cars, the more manufacturers will take notice and release or develop new parts that we in turn can have a selection to choose from.

Just because "ricers" put bullshit parts on their car, it doesn't mean that the bullshit goes on our cars either. Those same ricers are the reason why more and more stuff for 240SX's are coming out on the market, for a car that was last sold in the U.S. in 1998.

[IchigoMae]

im so rice...*Cry* :wtc: =P

[S13SilviaGirl]

I thought this thread woulda been closed by now! hahaha

[old_s13]

Jenne> Actually, sweet cheeks, I'm hard-pressed to find a topic that doesn't have some 240 owner or another complaining about, crying over, laughing at or remarking about "rice" in it.

And there were 2 pages of posts, why single mine out, oh-jaded-one?

"Why oh why," you ask... did I decide to single your post out? Well, my beloved.. I have to be honest with you. The reason I chose your post, out of the many.. is because I like you Jenne, there is no lying in you. You bring a smile to my face and fill my heart with joy. You Jenne, are my sugar which I add to my very bitter cup of morning tea. ;)

(Hopefully my beloved wont read page 1 as I have already quoted and responded to maybe 7 other posts!)


aznpoopy> not neccesarily. rice can look really nice. i for one think show cars look nice. that doesn't mean they are not rice.

Yep, I agree.. there is a certain style to it. Some show cars look ok with that look, then there are just the tasteless street cars that just look bad. But the really nice cars can often hit a very thin line between nice and well, that other word which I dont use.


tokyodrifter> monkey see monkey do. lol Better then streetracing tho. I've been taking my 240 rally racing.

Did you notice your third monkey had ear-muffs on? hehe reminds me of Vince Vaughn in OLDSCHOOL. :)


slos14> the 5 things i hate about the people on the s13/s14 banwagon... 1. 2 years ago i was the only red s14 in ofallon mo now there is like 12 and they are all riced out.

When you see other 240's drive by, just say "earmuffs"


raine> I'm not kidding you, and I didn't say exactly that "lameasses are responsible... blah blah blah" whatever you said. And it's not bullshit - as much as you hate "ricers" (which in itself can be taken as offensive and racist, but that's another subject)

First of all, I suggest you read very carefully through my post; I never once used the word r1ce in any of my posts in this thread. I agree with you and very much dislike that word and find it offensive.


Now then, companies like APC - good for them if they blew up to how big they are now. I'm sure if you started a business you'd want it to grow like APC did. But don't knock APC because they may be benefitting us "real" tuners/modifiers/etc. If you look at their market strategy they're going primarily for the show crowd i.e. "less-function/more fashion". Chrome fire extinguishers, super shiny intakes, really bad "racing" seats, etc. And yeah - it may upset you that those less informed are buying all of that stuff up. But they do serve a purpose - to provide for those "Ricers".

Everything serves a purpose in life, from the lion which is the king of the jungle.. to the ants and roaches which are considered pests. If you look at things long enough, you start to realize that even forest fires which are seen as bad, can also cause good. But since we are all entitled to our opinions, I feel pretty confident in saying NO against companies like APC because of their poor build quality and low-grade materials. I think the ONLY purpose APC serves is selling a product which makes it easy to identify poorly fixed up vehicles -- that IS IT.


Just because "ricers" put bullshit parts on their car, it doesn't mean that the bullshit goes on our cars either. Those same ricers are the reason why more and more stuff for 240SX's are coming out on the market, for a car that was last sold in the U.S. in 1998.

The new-found popularity with the 240SX will only benefit the average consumer who lacks fabrication skills and wants to BUY. These products have already been available overseas, people just dont want to pay the price to import stuff. Having more US companies developing parts for the 240SX isnt a bad thing.

I guess you can say I've enjoyed being a part of the community ever since it consisted of maybe 10 or so SoCal 240SX owners, maybe 70 or so 240SX owners throughout the US.. that was in 1995/1996. It was nice seeing people custom fabricate parts for a car that had very little to no support. Times are changing, you cant blame someone like me for being bitter about it. Its not a big deal, I just dont want to see these cars getting stolen. I dont want to see idiotic 240SX owners buying these cars and smashing them up because its cool.

I hope that makes sense.

- Mike

[russian]

right on, mike. as far as this thead - its all about he says she says bullshit.

[aznpoopy]

Originally posted by wingsnthangs
You brought up good points about mentality, aznpoopy, but there are better ways to call someone a showoff other than using "ricer". Like calling them a "show off" or "attntion whore" or "mid-life crisis man". Rice is so subjective to interpretation that it is irritating to read or hear educated enthusiasts in our demographic using it to make a point or to seriously express an opinion. It's as if it is a default insult when you have nothing else to say about a driver or his/her car.

you know, you're right in a way. i guess because i'm asian i never thought about how it carries other connotations (like racism). interesting to note but i think it was an asian that made the term rice popular vernacular. riceboy.com ... he actually had a definition of the word on his site because (im assuming) it wasn't a commonly known term at the time. this was maybe three or four years back? anyway he was constantly defending his site, reminding people that rice was not a racially derogative term.

it's good to have a decent debate that doesn't resort to flaming for once. its also good to have your own preconceptions challenged for once; as such i think i'll be more descriptive in my negative remarks in the future.

:D

[wingsnthangs]

Originally posted by aznpoopy
you know, you're right in a way. i guess because i'm asian i never thought about how it carries other connotations (like racism). interesting to note but i think it was an asian that made the term rice popular vernacular. riceboy.com ... he actually had a definition of the word on his site because (im assuming) it wasn't a commonly known term at the time. this was maybe three or four years back? anyway he was constantly defending his site, reminding people that rice was not a racially derogative term.
Trust me, usage of the word "rice" in the same car context existed long before riceboy.com was established, the development of internet just made you more aware of it. The creator of that site is merely offering his point of view as to what he considers rice; he is not setting the definition, nor is it a wise idea to cite him as a reliable source of information. Embrace whatever makes more sense to you, as "rice" has no real definition. The only definition that makes solid sense to me is the one i provided earlier, and even that is quite vague.

Btw, I'm Asian too. But I don't interpret automotive rice racially. I just think it's a stupid word dumbasses use when they are at a loss of more accurate things to say.

[wingsnthangs]

Originally posted by russian
right on, mike. as far as this thead - its all about he says she says bullshit.
I'm trying to explain why it's bullshit and why the bullshit doesnt stop, and why and how you should avoid this he says she says bullshit. I love that Limp Bizkit song btw.

[old_s13]

When you think about it, the word riceboy means nothing.. its just an idiotic word that if you ask me, more or less originated from the domestic scene when referring to asian cars. THAT there is the real issue, because the word can easily refer to mexican, indian, or ANY ethnicity where rice is part of the culture. Maybe at the next american wedding, I will call the groom a rice boy because they're throwing rice at him and his bride.

GO FIGURE.

Personally, I dont use the word because I find it offensive.. regardless of what the majority think, I just think its lame.

-m

[aznpoopy]

Originally posted by wingsnthangs
Trust me, usage of the word "rice" in the same car context existed long before riceboy.com was established, the development of internet just made you more aware of it. The creator of that site is merely offering his point of view as to what he considers rice; he is not setting the definition, nor is it a wise idea to cite him as a reliable source of information. Embrace whatever makes more sense to you, as "rice" has no real definition. The only definition that makes solid sense to me is the one i provided earlier, and even that is quite vague.

ok... relax man... i was agreeing with you. i mentioned riceboy.com as an example of how the term rice can be misinterpreted, supporting your argument. i mentioned racial b/c in that particular case, that guy took alot of flak for that particular definition. i wasn't saying you personally might take that view of the word, nor is my definition the same as his (also supporting your view), nor was i citing his version as an official definition of 'rice.'

I just think it's a stupid word dumbasses use when they are at a loss of more accurate things to say.

derogatory comments and phrases do and will always exist... language changes over time as do definitions. like it or not, the word 'rice' is part of the language. btw i never personally attacked you, so i dont think its fair of you to call anyone a dumbass just b/c they used one freakin word. anyway, its enough that so many people got upset over the term 'rice,' without it even being directed at them, to make me want to stop using it.

[wingsnthangs]

Originally posted by aznpoopy
btw i never personally attacked you, so i dont think its fair of you to call anyone a dumbass just b/c they used one freakin word. anyway, its enough that so many people got upset over the term 'rice,' without it even being directed at them, to make me want to stop using it.
Whether you misinterpreted my post or I mispresented it, its irrelevant. Sorry you considered that a personal attack.

I don't write to personally offend nor do I get offended personally when I read someone's writings, especially on an internet forum of strangers.

Anyways, let the debate resume....

[G_Fish240]

haha, man this debate will never end, ill guess ill add my 02 cents which has probably been said by some already. Basically i dont care what you do to your car, and for people who care what other people do to their car just because it will make them look bad in some way(which is stupid) is dumb. In life, i think if you let people influence you TOO much on what you do, meaning you are shallow and only think of what people will say, you will never get anywhere. Its like, man i like that, but if i put it on my car, people will make fun of me; who gives a fuck, i know i dont, some other people might not like it but they dont have no right to tell you what to do with your earned or un earned money. You shouldnt let people dictate what you do, somtimes i feel like i can have more respect for a so called "Ricer" because he doesnt give a fuck, he must know people talk about rice, unless he was completely oblivious, which is not likely, and yet he does it anyway. Just because he is doing what is popular and trendy doesnt mean he is doing it because it is popular and trendy, you never know, most people just judge right away, maybe he likes it. I dont like what the so called "Ricers" do to their cars with the paint and body kits and what not, but i dont go and hate, because that doesnt do anything, more power to them if its what they want, its not my style, but thats ok because ITS NOT MY CAR. To me, when i see constant threads about "man i hate ricers" and other stuff, it makes the person look like a dumbass or it makes it seem like his trying to sound like an OG or something, even if he is, who cares. Let people do what they want, i dont know why this keeps getting brought up, but, its fun reading other peoples opinions. So yeah, if you are a so called "Ricer" do whatever you want, and if you bash on "ricers" thats fine too i guess, just be aware it seems like it is the popular thing to do this days, so are you being trendy and what not, does that make you make you a "ricer"

[russian]

:stupid:


:blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: ok who is a ricer step to the left
:blah: :blah: :blah: ok whos a ricer-hater step to the right.

point the guns at each other and shoot. aim for the head.:mepoke: :Owned:

[Hawd]

I personally don't care what other people think of my car. I became interested in 240's because the fact that it was a rwd car in my price range and that it was not a civic also, not knowing about the "drift scene" etc... Found some message boards and began researching the car. Basically the car fit my needs, its rwd, good on gas imo, and with some mods and be a fun car to own. Although drifting interested me somewhat, I know that i would not be able to afford the costs involved. When people come up to me and ask me "oh you have a 240, are you into drifting" I simply say no and walk away. Why is everyone who owns a 240 and is not into drifting considered to be a poser/ricer? Can't somoene just enjoy the car for what it is?

I have to admit though I have been seeing more 240's around as of lately after I got mine so, I guess I am just a poser :D but i am by far not a ricer. Because imo a ricer has a car thats not appealing to the eye or ear or all show or no go.

[old_s13]

Originally posted by wingsnthangs
Whether you misinterpreted my post or I mispresented it, its irrelevant. Sorry you considered that a personal attack.

I don't write to personally offend nor do I get offended personally when I read someone's writings, especially on an internet forum of strangers.

Stranger?! STRANGER?!?! Mothafucka, who you callin a stranger! Im your friendly neighborhood old_S13, nyea you betta reconize... im in this shit fo lyfe... biyooooooooooooooooooooootch! hahaha

[jdmdru]

I personally had a Honda (no it wasnt riced out) and just got a 240. Before you start throwing insults at me listen. I have been into 240s and have been stuggling to get one for a couple of years. Does that not make me part of your cool 240 club. I am just starting to drift, but have been in the sceen for a while. Some of you out there need to relax, its just a car. Its supposed to be fun. Forget about other people and enjoy your car. :bow:

[mrmephistopheles]

this thread has outlived it's usefulness... :hs: