hydro ebrake problem s13 PBM

[benarovi561]

Hey guys i put in the powerd by max hydro ebrake. i didnt want to cheap out so i bought pbm, fittings and all. installed it correctly lines right and everthing. i bled my brakes for OVER and hour. everytime i do a pull on the ebrake, it barely does anything, then my brake pedal goes to the floor. WTF? i searched everwhere for hours, didnt really find anything. tried bleeding the hydro but nothing happens. any suggestions?? i called gtfactory and they told me to try again and call 2moro talk to the manager or whatever. my friend who helped me install it said the cup seal in the wilwood cylinder could be broken. anybody try to help please i wanna go try this $400 turd out
thanks

[roorr0]

switch the lines on the hydro you probably have them on the wrong inlet and outlet

[roboticnissan]

Step on the brake pedal lightly then yank the hand brake. Works like a charm. And invest in a proportioning valve and turnoff Basicly the rear brakes from the foot pedal.

[benarovi561]

switch the lines on the hydro you probably have them on the wrong inlet and outlet

there on right though, and i had them on backwards last night did the same thing, does the same shit...

[benarovi561]

Step on the brake pedal lightly then yank the hand brake. Works like a charm. And invest in a proportioning valve and turnoff Basicly the rear brakes from the foot pedal.

how am i gonna do that drifting? id rather just fix it instead of having it ghetto rigged

[90hatchie]

proportioning valve is not ghetto rigging and is proper way to have a hydro setup

[carmaniac1993]

i mean, if you wanna talk about the proper way

the proper way is to have an indepentent caliper setup that just is engaged by the hydro brake. so 2 calipers in the rear.

[benarovi561]

proportioning valve is not ghetto rigging and is proper way to have a hydro setup

i was talking aabout pressing the brake before i use the hydro i just want it right, a nice rip and it locks up.
gonna try bleeding it again 2moro, except im gonna bleed the brakes real good normally, then hold the brake down a little and pump the hydro few times n hold it, bleed the brakes like that see if that helps


when i was testing the hydro locking up, i would spin the brake rotor with my hands, it started getting tension wen the hydro was pulled, but sometimes if i let everything go, try and spin the rotor, it would get brake pressure out of nowhere... now idont know if thats from not bleeding enough and properly, or something else.

[roboticnissan]

Without a prop valve you will never get it the way you want. I've heard that willwood master cylinders will.eliminate this problem but never tried it. I also have a pbm hand brake.

[bataangpinoy]

i mean, if you wanna talk about the proper way

the proper way is to have an indepentent caliper setup that just is engaged by the hydro brake. so 2 calipers in the rear.

this is how we did it on my e30.

wilwood .52" mc
wilwood 1209089 calipers
wilwood polymatrix b pads
earls braided lines
http://i702.photobucket.com/albums/ww21/bataangpinoy/ebrakekit.jpg
http://i702.photobucket.com/albums/ww21/bataangpinoy/DSCN0276-1.jpg
http://i702.photobucket.com/albums/ww21/bataangpinoy/DSCN0269.jpg
http://i702.photobucket.com/albums/ww21/bataangpinoy/DSCN0284.jpg

is there any way to make a bracket like that for you guys? ive looked around the net and not found anything like that available to the public yet.

[benarovi561]

youll have to get a bracket custom made, but thanks for the info, but it wont help my situation

[sr20sean]

youll have to get a bracket custom made, but thanks for the info, but it wont help my situation

someone makes them.

[G5SR20240]

You have air in your system, you just have to be creative in trying to get all of it out, if that means pumping from the hydro brake to try to build pressure so you can bleed the air out, if there is no air in the system the fluid will have only 1 way to go and thats to the caliper. So try some different ways of bleeding, and bleeding for over an hour isnt out of the ordinary when you have a dry slave to start with, there is a tremendous amount of air in the lines when you start bleeding. Even a couple bubbles of air will cause brake issues and a mushy reaction. See if you can find an air bleeder where you can bleed out the majority of the air then manually bleed it with the hydro brake. I also have to disagree with the idea that you need a proportioning valve. Those are typically used to reduce the amount of pressure that the slave will produce and used mainly to keep the rear wheels from locking up under braking and in reality you want as much pressure from the handle that you can get. Depending on the size of the slave you are using will determine how much fluid will rush to the caliper from the handle when you pull it

[benarovi561]

thanks man, i got a bleeder pump thing from advance auto im gonna bleed the fuck outta the regular brakes first, then press on the brake and pull the hydro few times, crack the bleeder on the brakes n do work...
but yea today im not gonna stop bleeding it until that mother fucker works, spend almost $400 on this...

[PoorMans180SX]

Speedbleeders work magic.

[benarovi561]

Speedbleeders work magic.

how do those work, can i buy them at advance auto?

[slow40sx]

i bled the fucking shit out of mine, slows me down like brakes, no lockage, pedal feels fine tho, i'm just gonna sell mine and make some sea horses for the factory e-brake, i just street drift and go to track days to have fun so i really don't need a hydro i just thought it would be cool to have

[Paper_Tiger240]

i bled the fucking shit out of mine, slows me down like brakes, no lockage, pedal feels fine tho, i'm just gonna sell mine and make some sea horses for the factory e-brake, i just street drift and go to track days to have fun so i really don't need a hydro i just thought it would be cool to have
street drifting is not allowed sir^

[vas570sx]

ben, Harri and I installed mine, took us about an hour and a half to bleed the brakes right. It almost feels perfect now but could use a little more bleeding.

[benarovi561]

how did you bleed them?

[FaLKoN240]

street drifting is not allowed sir^

Shut up. Thanks.

[benarovi561]

ok so i got the hydro working properlly. and got it mounted in. bu tstill doesnt lock up the rears, it slows it down alot, but w.e. gonna bleed it more, and get new pads for the rear. any suggestions for some cheap good pads? stock brakes btw

[FaLKoN240]

I like Stoptech pads they're cheap and work really well. They're rebadged as "Centric" see if you can find some of those. I have them on my stock calipers in the back right now.

[vas570sx]

hawks are what i use. they were like $70

[ILoveMyRHS13]

Honestly, the best pads for getting the ebrake to lock up are the cheap-o shit pads from Advanced/Auto Zone but ONLY when they are properly heated up. But they're shitty pads for daily driving, so you might not want to get them, haha.

[pandaroo]

i was thinking about getting a hydro so i dont have to use the drum bullshit with my z32 brakes, but damn from your guys post it looks like a pain in the ass. has any one had one that actually worked right?

[PoorMans180SX]

how do those work, can i buy them at advance auto?

splparts used to sell them. But apparently they don't anymore...

Speed Bleeder Bleeding Brakes Bleeding Motorcycle Brakes Automotive Bleeder Screw Brake Bleeder (http://www.speedbleeder.com/)

They have a one way check valve in them, so you simply open the bleeders, and pump the brakes till the air is out. No need to open and close the bleeders, just keep the reservoirs full.

[vas570sx]

i was thinking about getting a hydro so i dont have to use the drum bullshit with my z32 brakes, but damn from your guys post it looks like a pain in the ass. has any one had one that actually worked right?

did you read my post?

[benarovi561]

i was thinking about getting a hydro so i dont have to use the drum bullshit with my z32 brakes, but damn from your guys post it looks like a pain in the ass. has any one had one that actually worked right?

yea its reallllly fucking easy. i just had the lines on backwards.. i had the lines on the correct way before and i couldnt pull the ebrake it was so hard.. so i thought they were on backwards. but i tried it again, and u just have to give it agood yank since it wasnt welded on.. now its welded on and its fucking awsome. defiantly buy one if your going to be drifting at the track and what not.
vas u going to pbir july 8th? im drivin

[PoorMans180SX]

Can you edit your first post to say that you fixed it by switching the lines? That would help out people who are searching a lot! Thanks.

[vas570sx]

vas u going to pbir july 8th? im drivin

i am, but not with you. ill be tandeming with bros.