Shock/Strut/Springs Recomendations

[gfisch]

Hey, the suspension on my car feels like it needs to be replaced, and I want to go with something that will give me an performance improvement over stock, but nothing extreme, and with not much of a drop. It is my daily driver, with the occasional auto-x race.
Also, hoping not to spend a real lot. But enough to get something decent.

Anyone have any good(or bad) experience w/ a shock/spring set?

What do you think I should go with?

Thanks a lot.

[AceInHole]

AGX's and Pro-kits would be something of a "norm"

[holisticbeatz]

My S14 is sitting on H&R Sports and Koni Yellows. It gives me a decent 1.7'' drop in front and 1.5'' in back. The Konis are adjustable and can house springs with a higher spring rate. I daily drive my car and it's bearable, however, it's noticeably more rough than stock suspension. I drive my car hard and this suspension setup suits me fine, for now anyways.

[Black 97SE]

I'm running the prokit with kyb agx adjustables. Couldn't be happier. The wheel gap is gone, but it not really low. The car just looks clean now. I can go over speed bumps pretty much like normal unless they're really tall, and the shocks are great.

[gfisch]

Are there concerns to worry about which springs will work w/ which struts?

I'v been searching a bit, and I think I like the kyb agx adjustables with the H&R Sports.
Think that is a good combo??

Also, where would be a good place to buy them.
It looks like I can get all the parts for about $600 on ebay. That a resonable price?

[Nismo240SX]

i'm going to be buying some new struts too, i don't know if i should upgrade from KYB gr2s or should i move on? I've been looking towards tokico and kyb mostly... but i'm unsure.

[weirdstyles.net]

like holisticbeatz said the Koni's supposivly can handle larger springs, but I think its a bunch of bullshit. I daily drive my beast with KYB AGX and H&R Sport Springs. I get the SOB to fullhard and love it. Of course its a bit rougher than normal, but you cant hate on the traction you get.

[h3x11]

koni yellow and h&r springs

[stealthj]

on my old fastback (SOLD), i had agx/sportlines....lowered about right, still not enough, but about right...

pro kits are progress springs....

sportlines sink down in the back with the weight, dont put peopel in the back...

sportline agx/making a turn = beautiful with the right tires!!

worth it

unless u got $$$ for some tein flexes

[Bliss]

aren't the H&Rs progressive too??

[stealthj]

Originally posted by Bliss
aren't the H&Rs progressive too??

yes the H&R's are progressive

[Mugen13]

i have you looked at the RS*R RACE springs? I think they have the highest spring rates. I know those springs are linear, both the front and back.
Compared to whiteline which only have front linear springs and progressive rear springs. I think ST is the same, front linear and back progressive.

[Bliss]

Where do you guys find RS*R springs? All I can find is the 3KG or so springs. Help me out here. :D

[Steeles]

Originally posted by Bliss
Where do you guys find RS*R springs? All I can find is the 3KG or so springs. Help me out here. :D

off the top of my head Phase2 has them

[nokeone]

you could always go with like Tein Basics...ride height adjustability with decently stiff springs..and for pretty cheap...

lacks damper adjustment though..

just another option..

[Steeles]

Originally posted by nokeone
you could always go with like Tein Basics...ride height adjustability with decently stiff springs..and for pretty cheap...

lacks damper adjustment though..

just another option..

problem with those..(and apex'i world sports) is that you HAVE to retain the stock uppermount. no chance to use aftermarket pillowballs with camber adjustments. I'd love my worldsports if I could throw some cusco uppermounts on top of them

[nokeone]

Originally posted by Steeles
problem with those..(and apex'i world sports) is that you HAVE to retain the stock uppermount. no chance to use aftermarket pillowballs with camber adjustments. I'd love my worldsports if I could throw some cusco uppermounts on top of them

VERY true..

just didn't sound like he was THAT serious..:)

[Steeles]

Originally posted by nokeone
VERY true..

just didn't sound like he was THAT serious..:)

which is why shocks and springs would probably be best :) imo. cant screw up tockiko blues and pro kits.

[wingsnthangs]

http://www.flyingbuffalo.com/gifs/zombie.jpgBack from the dead!

Sorry to revive this thread, but I see less sense in creating a whole new one.

KYB GR2 vs. Tokico HP vs. KYB AGX

Which one of the three is more reliable/less prone to blowing out?

(Conditions: S13 240SX, Eibach Pro-Kit springs, Regular city streets, regular potholes/speedbumps, no racing/track)

Thanks in advance!

[aznpoopy]

the only shocks i consider to be of any serious quality are koni yellows or bilsteins

on pro kits you could run stock shocks and not worry about them blowing
my car has been this way for almost 2 years and the shocks are still fine (s14 btw)
can't wait to get rid of them though. lol

[axiomatik]

I have been running pro-kits/kyb agx on my daily driven (no racing) s13 for 2-3 years now, still handle like brand new. On the softest setting, it's as comfortable as stock, on the hardest setting, it is a little rough on really bad pavement. They have worked great for me, but pro-kits aren't nearly low enough for my tastes.

[Chernobyl]

tokico > kyb

I've had both, with the tokico blues on RSR race springs and AGX on sportlines. I much preferred the Tokicos.

[seksi240]

GR2's are pretty much stock replacements. I wouldn't recommend putting those on with any sort of lowering springs...

Anyways, within the next few days, I will be putting on RSR Race springs w/ AGX. We'll see how that setup is...

[Chernobyl]

RSR race with Tokico blues is great. Good luck, I hope the AGX put up with the abuse. The tokicos did fine for over a year with 5kg springs... this is why I will never stop recommending them.

[someguy_240]

stay away from agx like the plague get koni yellows :)

[OptionZero]

AGX's are fine as long as you don't run a super aggressive spring on them like the RS-R Race.

I'm running Sus Down's on my AGXs and they are fine , even after autoX or two.

[aznpoopy]

i've heard the real issue with the agxs is they can't handle extreme lowering

keep it just a tad lower then stock and you'll be fine

that's probably why they pair so well with pro-kits

[PhameWRC]

i've heard the real issue with the agxs is they can't handle extreme lowering

keep it just a tad lower then stock and you'll be fine

that's probably why they pair so well with pro-kits

Are you talking about AGX in general, or AGX on 240's? Cuz i'm running AGX on my corolla, with a pretty aggressive set of springs (trd japan 8.0kg front,6.0kg rears) dropped almost 2in. and they've never given me any problems.

[richardxfeng]

I have Tokico HTS and RSR race springs.It has 30 ways adjustament front and rear.It handels really well on the street and not stiff at the middle setting.In my opnion,it's better than some bottom of the line coilovers,but just don't have the ride height adjustament.So if you want to lower your car a lot,I don't recommand it to you.

[North240]

AGXs are "warrentied/recomended" for a drop >2inches, keep them under that and your all set. I like my set and have had ZERO problems with them, going on 2 auto-x season +DD duty

[Irukandji]

id recommend using "search" and "find"... they work very well together. :duh:

[mmdb]

Go all out if you're going to track it. Apexi N1 Pro ^_~ Not harsh at all. Very smooth and refined. Minimal body roll when I throw it through a corner. Fully rebuildable in the US.

[KwKouki]

I am running AGX with Espelir Active Super Down springs. Ride height is great, and ride quality is even better. No worries about dodging EVERY SINGLE bump/hole in the road.

Quick pic of the stance.
http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/4654/img82136vf.th.jpg (http://img116.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img82136vf.jpg)

[krustindumm]

anyone know what the rates of the RS*R race, prokits, and suspension techs are, for comparison?

[OptionZero]

I believe the RSR Race is 5.4F/4.0R, but i'm not sure

GO here:
http://www.rs-r.com/products/suspension/race_springs.php

[samms95s14se]

I'm using Agx and Tanabe Df210 springs which has a 2 inch drop and so far it's all good.

[wingsnthangs]

anyone know what the rates of the RS*R race, prokits, and suspension techs are, for comparison?

Spring Rates:
http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=7590

[bdubb]

what about ground controls?? has anyone here tried them??

[ranisron]

ground control - sleeved c/o?? I have them on my Altima... it's good.

you guys forgot about a cheap alternative (springs), megan racing springs. they are pretty fawking stiff as well 350F & 250R (you do the math converting lbs to kg).

I have kyb gr2 + sportline. Been on the car for over 8 months now, they haven't blown yet, but I have been dodging every pot hole there on the street... imo, the sportline is wayyyyyyy too soft for me...

[Var]

I've got ground controls. No problems but i would recommend Koni shocks and pillow ball mounts with those. Then you are looking at more than the price of coilovers but they might be more comfortable.

If you're going with GC with AGX, i'd get equal spring rates..4k/4k and not too low to stay in the shock's proper range.

I have Tein HA's for sale. 6/5 rates and damn nice ride and great handling. I cant get over how well those shocks are valved compared to anything i've ridden in, even HE's.

[aznpoopy]

ground controls are good

and you can get them with custom spring rates

i wish bilstein would sell their damn s14 shocks here...

i mean why the fuck not? they have them in europe. ugh.

[IGSDann]

you guys forgot about a cheap alternative (springs), megan racing springs. they are pretty fawking stiff as well 350F & 250R (you do the math converting lbs to kg)

That's like 6 front and 4 rear. Damn. If they are really that stiff and that cheap I might as well buy a set...

[ranisron]

MSRP is like 149 something, but you can get those on eBay for 99 bucks or something around that. THOUGH, on ebay the seller may say something different than what Megan's website stated about spring rate - I would trust the megan website myself.

I don't have megan racing springs - but if my budget doesn't allow me going coilover, I will get the springs + AGX... as long as you don't go too low on the AGX, I think the strut/shock wouldn't blow.

Ron
That's like 6 front and 4 rear. Damn. If they are really that stiff and that cheap I might as well buy a set...

[Var]

i ran 6/4 Ground control for a while. too much understeer IMO. Go with something with a closer front to back ratio. Like RSR race springs 5/4.5. The car will rotate much better.

[Steeles]

S13 are nose heavy. need slightly stuffer spring up front. comes factory like this. S14 less so runs same rates F and R.

[Var]

It doesnt really "need" it. Most of our suspensions are far out of factory spec anyways. IMO the s13 is always prone to understeer so running equal spring rates for either auto-x and twisty roads is the way to go. I ran 6.7/5.5k with no front sway bar and the car still understeered a tiny bit but in a good way.

Remember from the factory, the springs rates are determined by a group of engineers that want to make the car safe for the general public(always understeer). Suspension companies determine it for performance.

Whiteline runs a stiffer rear rate, and even though their rates are soft, this setup will probably feel the best on a twisty road with street tires, or even auto x with street tires with some upgraded sway bars.

[OptionZero]

I don't know of any coilover for the S14 w/ same rates F/R

tanabe DD is 10/8, tein HE is 8/6, KTS is 8/6, Gp sports is 8/7...i think....