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halyoder

10-28-2003, 04:56 PM

don't know really what color i want. i was think of a blue like the rx-8 or some color like that or a candy apple red or even like a midnight blue. my wheels are gram lights 57 pro the off set is +35 17X8 215 45 dunlop. i wish i would have got a different offset but i bought them off some guy with out tire for cheap, they had never been put on a car. the head lamps are dual i wish i had the square ones. and i do have the gp sports turbo,coilovers,exhaust,and manifold. i should get the car back in about a week or two so i will take pics of it then.http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid60/p44937fa010a3cd1347730989aabb3fe3/fc4e9610.jpg

spindrift187

10-28-2003, 05:10 PM

Wow...Evil...The only word that comes to mind when I see that. As far as color goes, I'm starting to like the primer look haha.

NiteKids

10-28-2003, 05:25 PM

not trying to be an smart ass but people need to stop buying wheels simply because are there for 'cheap even if they aren't the right width and offset. they are screwing themsevles over for doing that. Oh it was cheap...oh it was crap!

revat619

10-28-2003, 05:33 PM

Originally posted by NiteKids
not trying to be an smart ass but people need to stop buying wheels simply because are there for 'cheap even if they aren't the right width and offset. they are screwing themsevles over for doing that. Oh it was cheap...oh it was crap!

Since were on the subject aaaaaaanyyyyywwwwaaaaaays, how about letting me have them fno1's?!?! :D

NiteKids

10-28-2003, 05:35 PM

Are you gonna do a 5 lug upgrade there/ :cool:

Kid Zelda

10-28-2003, 05:36 PM

revat619

10-28-2003, 05:38 PM

Yeah, but not till the 5-speed swap is done. Auto is putting me to sleep...

SilviaDriver

10-28-2003, 06:03 PM

ootranceformeroo

10-28-2003, 06:55 PM

Lookin good dude...let us know when its painted and done.

For some reason in the first pic, it looks like a fastback...

kuruptR

10-28-2003, 07:05 PM

wow that car is going to be amazing. blue is rice :D Candied BMW M5 RED

KiDyNomiTe

10-28-2003, 07:17 PM

Originally posted by NiteKids
not trying to be an smart ass but people need to stop buying wheels simply because are there for 'cheap even if they aren't the right width and offset. they are screwing themsevles over for doing that. Oh it was cheap...oh it was crap!

Its mostly looks with those offsets, if a good deal comes, buy it, if it clears your suspension and brakes your all good, spacers and camber will make em look good, chances of finding the "perfect" offset is gonna be hard.

Tire choice and wheel width is a lot more important than a few mm in offset .

nrcooled

10-28-2003, 07:27 PM

Originally posted by KiDyNomiTe
Its mostly looks with those offsets, if a good deal comes, buy it, if it clears your suspension and brakes your all good, spacers and camber will make em look good, chances of finding the "perfect" offset is gonna be hard.

Tire choice and wheel width is a lot more important than a few mm in offset .

Amen brotha! NiteKids, get off your high horse. There called SPACERS!!

Anyways good choice on the bodykit. It's one of the few that I like and would put on my car. Hope the painting goes well.

I am a big fan of pewter (almost gunmetal) myself.

nocomedown

10-28-2003, 08:58 PM

oh man that is pure hotness. very quality. leave it wingless!

S13S14S15

10-28-2003, 09:11 PM

looks good. maybe you should leave the headlights off, and start a no lights JDM trend

Zemus

10-28-2003, 09:27 PM

So cool, i love to see cars when they have such a good start :) Keep it comming, and nice wheels, dont lisent to Nitechild, he is an offset hore :-D

Strider

10-28-2003, 09:32 PM

nice, i can already tell its going to look great.

I'm droppin mine off at the body shop tomorrow(wed) to get it everything sanded and put on too. I'll try to post of pics of mine when it gets out in 3 days

CoasTek240

10-28-2003, 10:48 PM

hayloder so what, do u like GP sports or something? hahahaha lol keep up the good work

kidzelda "nitekrap", thats damn funny!:D

hondaguy

10-28-2003, 11:22 PM

holly shizzy thats off da hook yo,thats gonna look nice,good luck with it

NiteKids

10-28-2003, 11:40 PM

Originally posted by Kid Zelda
How about VIS ? umm
u like them ! u support them .. niteKrap

VIS? I'm confused? How did I support them? Old GTR bumper came w/ the car.

bobmeindertsma

10-29-2003, 12:20 AM

Wow looks really good with no paint even tho im partail to fastbacks.
imho go for the midnight blue

drift into a curb

10-29-2003, 01:04 AM

Originally posted by SilviaDriver
didnt u do the same thing but for bumpers? the "Zeal" was cheap so u bought it and put it on

Matt_240

10-29-2003, 01:21 AM

Originally posted by NiteKids
not trying to be an smart ass

funniest thing ive read all week

didnt u do the same thing but for bumpers? the "Zeal" was cheap so u bought it and put it on

owned

SlideStar

10-29-2003, 01:51 AM

Nice kit bud, I think you're on the right track
with painting it midnight blue. Will look hot w/
the Gram lights!!! Even though it's not finished
I think it still deserves an ----->:hitit:

NiteKids

10-29-2003, 02:16 AM

owned eh?

GTR bumper was trashed

needed a bumper and got it for dirt cheap

the end

-

his stock wheel were fine

didn't need wheels yet but got some bad offset and width wheel cause they cheap

the end

VRT_BooZTT

10-29-2003, 05:21 AM

quit while you're ahead..some spacers will take care of that issue. Not everyone has the money to get that mean dish they may wish they could get..but he bought Gram Lights and NOT Racing Harts...so at least he didn't buy "crap". How old are you? Some of you on here need some experience before you mouth off at other peoples shit. I love the kit and love the rims...good on ya..as for Nitefigs.. :bash:

old_s13

10-29-2003, 05:59 AM

Originally posted by Kid Zelda
How about VIS ? umm
u like them ! u support them .. niteKrap

hahahahhaaha!! oooooooooh shiet, you got ROASTED.. niteKRAP.

hahahahahahahha omar sMAsHeD yOU with the STRoNg HAnd

daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn!

hehe :)

old_s13

10-29-2003, 06:03 AM

Originally posted by nrcooled
Amen brotha! NiteKids, get off your high horse. There called SPACERS!!

Anyways good choice on the bodykit. It's one of the few that I like and would put on my car. Hope the painting goes well.

I am a big fan of pewter (almost gunmetal) myself.

oh come on now, nitekids DOES make a point.. its better off to save and buy GOOD rims then waste time and money with shietty wheels.

besides, spacers are not cheap.. PLUS, wheel studs are even MORE expensive.. trust me, I've been through it with my S13. Putting FD wheels on my car was no easy task, but atleast the FD wheels are worth it.. 16x8 and only 14-15 pounds each.

If you're gonna go through the trouble of putting spacers, atleast make sure the wheels are gonna be worth it. Good quality spacers and studs will easily run 500 bucks for all 4 sides.

- Mike

Zemus

10-29-2003, 06:23 AM

Originally posted by NiteKids
owned eh?

GTR bumper was trashed

needed a bumper and got it for dirt cheap

the end

-

his stock wheel were fine

didn't need wheels yet but got some bad offset and width wheel cause they cheap

the end

How can their be 2 "the ends"
Also.. what about the GTR "style" bumper im sure that was a HQ bumper. not.
And the wheel thing, i say if their the right price and their a HQ wheel, why not, im sure he will upgraede when the time comes when he needs to, for now he could get extended lugs and some 15mm spaces and it would look decent. But personaly I wouldent put anything in 17 on my car in the back unless it was a 9" wheel, but whatever floats your boat

The end (see you say it once not twice, so it is more affective... baka)

KiDyNomiTe

10-29-2003, 07:09 AM

Originally posted by NiteKids
owned eh?

GTR bumper was trashed

needed a bumper and got it for dirt cheap

the end

-

his stock wheel were fine

didn't need wheels yet but got some bad offset and width wheel cause they cheap

the end

If he did keep the stock wheel you'd complain and start your stupid sunk wheel jokes. And if he does get new wheels that are gonna be off by like ~10mm you still complain, cuz everyones car is not NiteKids quality.:rolleyes:

sykikchimp

10-29-2003, 08:15 AM

8" with +35 isn't bad. It will be pretty damn close to flush. 5mm spacers all around and they would be "Drifta flush" (trying to coin a new phrse here.. HAHA)

Personally, I wouldn't bother. The wheels will look fine the way they are.

weirdstyles.net

10-29-2003, 08:21 AM

im confused? Why did everyone jump on NiteKids?

OMG, what a role reversal.

NiteKids, for once, politely made a very valid point of discussion and all he gets is blah blah blah VIS blah blah blah high horse?

Everyone, just stfu. NiteKids, valid point but I think we both know the reason. Everyone is hoping to get what they want at a lower price, so they're willing to sarcrice their offset. Personally, after reading on a lot of spacers and adapters, I dont want anything between my hub and my wheel.

This kind of bullshit is why a good thread about a damn nice car ends up locked and sitting at the bottm of page 127302367987.

Homie, nice ass car. I envy you to no end. Congratulations, your the man. Keep us all posted.

lilredstiffy

10-29-2003, 08:35 AM

Looks real sweet.

:)

How is the fitment with gp sports? Bolts up easily / fits well? I know they make some of the nicer looking kits but I haven't seen too many people with them...

nacstate

10-29-2003, 09:36 AM

Being that you have the fastback I think you should have gotten the 180sx rear bumper rather than the s13 rear bumper. Just my $.02. Other than that it looks great, I was planning on getting the same kit (well the 180 kit anyway) myself and was looking for some other pics besides on GP's website to get an idea of how it would look.

Zemus

10-29-2003, 09:39 AM

uh he has a hatch back... or am i seeing things?

Dousan_PG

10-29-2003, 09:42 AM

Originally posted by nacstate
Being that you have the fastback I think you should have gotten the 180sx rear bumper rather than the s13 rear bumper. Just my $.02. Other than that it looks great, I was planning on getting the same kit (well the 180 kit anyway) myself and was looking for some other pics besides on GP's website to get an idea of how it would look.

um...you are clueless!!!

1) he has a COUPE roflmao
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid85/pabd81a314b453643f7d8da506874116d/fab69516.jpg

2) 180sx rear bumper (meaning fastback)
does NOT fit on coupe. they are different
180sx rear valence (oem) doesnt not fit on coupe properly!

and vise versa.

kandyflip445

10-29-2003, 09:55 AM

Originally posted by dousan36
um...you are clueless!!!

1) he has a COUPE roflmao
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid85/pabd81a314b453643f7d8da506874116d/fab69516.jpg

2) 180sx rear bumper (meaning fastback)
does NOT fit on coupe. they are different
180sx rear valence (oem) doesnt not fit on coupe properly!

and vise versa.

:rofl: Now THAT is how you correct someone!!!:bow:

I like the bodykit. The wheels are nice too IMO. Just get some spacers for now.

DuffMan

10-29-2003, 09:58 AM

Well, with those wheels he can clear coilovers if he sticks with the 215 tire. Given that tire size I don't see any advantage to a lower offset in the front. Just mucks up the steering feel IMHO.

halyoder

10-29-2003, 10:13 AM

Originally posted by firebone

How is the fitment with gp sports? Bolts up easily / fits well? I know they make some of the nicer looking kits but I haven't seen too many people with them... the fitment is real nice. it didn't bolt up right away cause we had to cut the front bumper so my fmic would fit right but if you had a smic i'm sure it would just bolt up. so you guys think midnight blue would look better then the other blue.

Flybert

10-29-2003, 11:24 AM

My friend painted his old vee dub bug midnight blue and from most angles, the car will look black. When you see it in the light, it looks mostly dark purple. It's kind of a cool color but you should probably check out midnight blue on someone else's car to get a better picture.

SilviaDriver

10-29-2003, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by NiteKids
owned eh?

GTR bumper was trashed

needed a bumper and got it for dirt cheap

the end

whether the "Zeal" was dirt cheap or not u still bought it, put it on, and flashed it to the whole 240 community. yea its dirt cheap..but y knock on the guys wheels? his wheels were cheap but at least they still LOOKED good. the flaw in his wheels..offset and mayb the width to some people. the flaw wiht ur Zeal Bumper? Everything

Originally posted by KiDyNomiTe

If he did keep the stock wheel you'd complain and start your stupid sunk wheel jokes. And if he does get new wheels that are gonna be off by like ~10mm you still complain, cuz everyones car is not NiteKids quality.

thats pretty damn true. if he had stock wheels u would complain. and if he did have wheels off by 10mm u would bust out that old stupid joke about pizza cutters.

Nitekids, just because you have wheels that are correct offset and width u dont need to go and act all high n mighty wiht ur shit when somebody elses wheels dont add up to yours. ur car is not the shit.

also didnt u have 17x8 17x9 Typhoons that were +35 also?? yea i think u did..

Link (http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28178&highlight=typhoons)

yea u did. so y are u knockin on his wheels again for?

[i]Originally posted by dousan36
um...you are clueless!!!

1) he has a COUPE roflmao

2) 180sx rear bumper (meaning fastback)
does NOT fit on coupe. they are different
180sx rear valence (oem) doesnt not fit on coupe properly!

and vise versa.

its always the newbies coming in here blind as hell. and never know wth is going on.

Chokets

10-29-2003, 02:48 PM

http://www.globalastroliner.com/owned/symowned.jpg

and i think it was NiteKids! hahahha

Stee Flo

10-29-2003, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by Chokets

Raven Simown3d
:rofl: lol:rofl:

nokeone

10-29-2003, 03:04 PM

haha...i really don't care who did or did not get owned..but i just wanted to use these pictures..:D

http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/1/web/217000-217999/217409_50.jpg

http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/1/web/217000-217999/217409_51.jpg

SilviaDriver

10-29-2003, 03:51 PM

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid85/p400aaba20ee42d01f7fd771f70e87dc3/fab39640.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid85/pb13b325bf42d3fc7994829deb45bdea5/fab39642.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid85/p2289766b03a970bca07564f39d46dbc2/fab3963c.jpg

Zemus

10-29-2003, 03:59 PM

http://clandmd.recongamer.com/owned.jpg

Yes Yes that was a MASSIVE ownage, i needed to post that pic

Kid Zelda

10-29-2003, 04:01 PM

:eek: NED!

http://members.verizon.net/vze47msr/Sig-n-Roy.gif

RoNiN240sx

10-29-2003, 04:04 PM

HAHAHAHHAHA oh man, gotta be the funniest pics i've seen in a while. but who cares who owns who, that is one sweet coupe. and imo, gram lights 57pro's are some of the best looking wheels out there.

wanganwonder

10-29-2003, 04:21 PM

gram lights really aren't that bad either. if you get a good deal on a set of those, go for it.

DoriftoSlut

10-29-2003, 06:37 PM

Ok, this MAY sound like I am on a high horse, and ALWAYS defending Nitekids, BUT!!!!!

How many of you actually have agressive ass bodykits that stick out? And how many of you know what size and offsets look good or bad? Seriously, before attacking Nitekrap, lets go over a few things:

This thread was talking about how DOPE ASS TYTE MAD JDM that bodykit LOOKS. In HIS (and my) oppinion, Nitekids thinks that those wheels will look like ass.

WHY DO YOU BRING UP A "PERFORMANCE" ASPEC OF HIS SHITTY WHEELS?? And by performance you think that he will have SUPREMELY better steering feel:rolleyes: Duffman, you sir are out of control. Not only the fact that my stetering (and anyone else i know with LOWER offset and WIDER wheels) is super responsive, but if this dude ACTUALLY cared about getting those wheels for the "performance" of crisper steering, he WOULD NOT HAVE BOUGHT A $2000 GPSPorts BODYKIT!!!!!!!!!!! What performance benefit does that thing offer???

OMG

Ok, more. Your sideskirts are going to sit about... 2 inches OUTSIDE of your wheel lip!!! HAHAHA, but shiiiiit your steering response will be GREAT :rolleyes: Check this, I am putting 20mm spacers on my wheels. Thats 17x9 +10. WHY? (Well mainly because of a wider track) But also because my wheels are STILL sunk in from my sidekirts which stick out way less than yours. That is with 17x9 +25. Well +30 with 5mm spacer. (I also think that 17x9 +25 is far from flush with 215/45/17s).

Anyway, sell those wheels to someone else "looking for a good deal" and get some 17x9.5 +12s or something. Oh, and to satisfy Duffman's "performance" needs, a GTO steering shaft spacer.:p

O-O-O-O-O-O OWNED! All of yous motherfuckers!!! You are the ones that are the ball lickers!!!:boink:

You mess with the bull, you get the horns!
http://www.funkypages.com/bull_fighter/bullfighter.jpg http://www.learnersonline.com/weekly/lessons02/week27/070802-2.jpg

Dousan_PG

10-29-2003, 07:15 PM

my cereal just came out thru my nose reading that post dorifto

:bowdown:

i agree w/ nitekids
fuck all ya'll!

Zemus

10-29-2003, 07:18 PM

HAHAH I love this place. haha I agree with the offset stuff,I have 0 offset wheels on my car 15x7 (mmm) Their great, when i get some nice wheels im looking into 16x9 Panasport C8's +15 offset, now that will be way nice IMO

ckyfish

10-29-2003, 07:23 PM

wow another reason i dont like certian people here is that you snowball everything out of control

i love that body kit and could give two sheits about his wheels or offset, you do realize that this is the only car forum on the whole internet where offset is stressed so much, you know what when/if i do get rims for my car im not gonna post pics here because
1. i dont have a digital camera and if given one i wouldent know how to use it
2. im sure thered be someone who nitpicks things like offset or oh snap theres a scrape on the rim! well guess what, lick em'

tsunami0ne

10-29-2003, 07:26 PM

man, u all have serious problems. an opinion is an opinion.

Zemus

10-29-2003, 07:28 PM

I think it is so funny how everyone has a name for nightkids, so funny..

CoasTek240

10-29-2003, 07:32 PM

wow :bowdown:

looks like someone brought their "A" game today. dorifuto-thats how you bring the wood!

ckyfish

10-29-2003, 07:33 PM

Originally posted by tsunami0ne
man, u all have serious problems. an opinion is an opinion.

we have a winner...let this be done and let the praises of the bodykit continue

Matt_240

10-29-2003, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by Dorifto180sx
Ok, this MAY sound like I am on a high horse, and ALWAYS defending Nitekids, BUT!!!!!

How many of you actually have agressive ass bodykits that stick out? And how many of you know what size and offsets look good or bad? Seriously, before attacking Nitekrap, lets go over a few things:

This thread was talking about how DOPE ASS TYTE MAD JDM that bodykit LOOKS. In HIS (and my) oppinion, Nitekids thinks that those wheels will look like ass.

WHY DO YOU BRING UP A "PERFORMANCE" ASPEC OF HIS SHITTY WHEELS?? And by performance you think that he will have SUPREMELY better steering feel:rolleyes: Duffman, you sir are out of control. Not only the fact that my stetering (and anyone else i know with LOWER offset and WIDER wheels) is super responsive, but if this dude ACTUALLY cared about getting those wheels for the "performance" of crisper steering, he WOULD NOT HAVE BOUGHT A $2000 GPSPorts BODYKIT!!!!!!!!!!! What performance benefit does that thing offer???

OMG

Ok, more. Your sideskirts are going to sit about... 2 inches OUTSIDE of your wheel lip!!! HAHAHA, but shiiiiit your steering response will be GREAT :rolleyes: Check this, I am putting 20mm spacers on my wheels. Thats 17x9 +10. WHY? (Well mainly because of a wider track) But also because my wheels are STILL sunk in from my sidekirts which stick out way less than yours. That is with 17x9 +25. Well +30 with 5mm spacer. (I also think that 17x9 +25 is far from flush with 215/45/17s).

Anyway, sell those wheels to someone else "looking for a good deal" and get some 17x9.5 +12s or something. Oh, and to satisfy Duffman's "performance" needs, a GTO steering shaft spacer.:p

O-O-O-O-O-O OWNED! All of yous motherfuckers!!! You are the ones that are the ball lickers!!!:boink:

You mess with the bull, you get the horns!
http://www.funkypages.com/bull_fighter/bullfighter.jpg http://www.learnersonline.com/weekly/lessons02/week27/070802-2.jpg

blah blah blah.. are you grasping the fact that we're not (well me at least) contesting whether hes right or not. he has a right to his opinion and imo it would look better with lower offset as well.

what i dont like is that he's a hypocrite who whines all day about wheels with bad offset. he just had wheels with the same offset and now he can't stand it? whatever

anyway.. looks good man. can't wait to see her all pretty and painted.

KiDyNomiTe

10-29-2003, 09:36 PM

Dorifto, yes this thread for the most part is about looks, so whats wrong with spacers. My argument is why send back a good deal on wheels that can the "JDM Look" with some spacers.

NiteKids is right to say they won't be perfect, cuz they won't, but to say send em back and pay a lot more for a 5-10 mm difference is just down right stupid and a waste of money and of time.

Then to tell him to keep the stock wheels instead then when he gets his car painted everyone is gonna make fun of him for having stock wheels.

Zemus

10-29-2003, 09:43 PM

I say if its a good deal , do it, used is the way to go, im not going to pay 600$s more for +5 better offest

NiteKids

10-29-2003, 09:54 PM

Here's another thing. Even if it was negative 40000 offset the wheel is still too skinny. I think he should have atleast 9inch wide. But for being 4 lug 17x8 35offset is much better then 17x17 45 offset anyday of the week. Still not exactly that great but atleast better. I can understand having 4 lug you are quite limited in wheel width and offset.

Zemus

10-29-2003, 09:55 PM

Originally posted by NiteKids
Here's another thing. Even if it was negative 40000 offset the wheel is still too skinny. I think he should have atleast 9inch wide.

Yea I said that before, I wouldent put a wheel smaller than 9 in the back if I had 17s, I agree

KiDyNomiTe

10-29-2003, 09:58 PM

Originally posted by NiteKids
Here's another thing. Even if it was negative 40000 offset the wheel is still too skinny. I think he should have atleast 9inch wide.
8s should be fine its a lot bigger difference than 6s, he could always pick up a pair of 9s for the rear in the future.

NiteKids

10-29-2003, 10:03 PM

For the rear!? why not all around!:D

VRT_BooZTT

10-29-2003, 10:10 PM

Originally posted by old_s13
If you're gonna go through the trouble of putting spacers, atleast make sure the wheels are gonna be worth it. Good quality spacers and studs will easily run 500 bucks for all 4 sides.

- Mike

Where the hell are you buying your spacers and what are they made of? ROFLOL!!!

He doesn't need like 60mm spacers or anything crazy like that, maybe 10-15mm probably..even still I NEVER had to pay that much for spacers..even threaded spacers (ones requiring additional bolts due to higher mm added) at that. Why do people type things and not check themselves before they do so? If you're going to wrote something and try to "appear" to be smart...do your research (before the post). ;)

NiteKids

10-29-2003, 10:15 PM

how bout more like 30mm spacer....atleast

DoriftoSlut

10-29-2003, 10:26 PM

Originally posted by KiDyNomiTe
Dorifto, yes this thread for the most part is about looks, so whats wrong with spacers. My argument is why send back a good deal on wheels that can the "JDM Look" with some spacers. 50mm spacers are hard to come by. Although I suppose 2 25mm per corner would work. But spacers are out of the question! Duffman thinks that the added bump steer and scrub radius would be unacceptable. Well actually i would have to agree with him on that....

See, there is a reason why people want that "JDM look". Its called "RDM Functionality" (RDM=Realworld Domestic Market). A wide wheel will only fit with a certain offset. Generally, the lower the offset, the more scrub radius and bump steer. OH snap, with a wide wheel the center of the contact patch is not as far away as a narrow wheel with spacers. AH muffuckas hate the "JDM look" all you want but when functionality comes knocking be prepared to pay the fuck up!

Lets see...
A 9 inch wheel with offset +10 would be equivelent to a 7 inch with -15 offset. The car and suspension being the same, the distance from the "dave point" (the point where the steering axis meets the ground plane) to the mounting hub will stay the same, since we are only changing the wheels in this demonstration. Lets call that distance X. The center of the contact patch will assumably lie in line with the center of the wheel width (if we have 0 camber). The contact patch center on the 9 inch wheel here will sit distance (X-10) or 10mm TOWARDS the steering axis from the hub. The 7 inch will sit distance (X+15) or 15mm AWAY FROM the steering axis. ON TOP OF THAT... the contact patch will be wider on the 9 inch wheel (unless we have the same size tires on... in which case the contact patch SHOULD be the same).

Anyway, remember the bit about 0 camber??? Since no one caring about this speil SHOULD have 0 camber (terrible for performance)... adding in negative camber will move the contact patch center CLOSER to the steering axis, since it will now be centered towards the shoulder of the tire. WELL all you haters of wide wheels and low offsets, but the center of the contact patch on these setups is ALMOST the same as stock. :coolugh: looks like someones agument is going straight out the window:doh: :wtc: :cry:

Now, does Nitekids know this and use it as his reasoning when mocking "pizzacutters". No. But I do, and I dont like narrow wheels, so Im on his side.

As for his previous bodykits. Yeha thats shit was ugly as fuck. But I bet if he could have done it right the first time he would have. I just dont want this dude with the GPSports kit to be all bummed out when his car looks NOTHING like this:
http://www.gpsports-na.com/aero/typer_s13_rr_lg.jpg

p.s. Nitekrap keeps repeating the same things about offsets and sizes because Dousan and I secretely brainwash him. In all reality, he is in a trance-like state only to return if I snap my fingers.

nokeone

10-29-2003, 10:27 PM

hahahha...i love this place..never ceases to crack me up..:)..

18x9.5 +12...or 17x9 +15 if i am too poor..lol

anything less is uncivilized..

blxmjx

10-29-2003, 10:29 PM

The car looks good. I'd really love to see the finished product. If the wheels end up bothering you too much. You can always sell them and buy a set of cheap ass played out 5zigen fno1rc's w/some low offsets. Get the offsets super low so you have to camber the fawk out of it so you won't rub. Also make sure to drop your car to the ground so the front bumper scrapes and starts to look all nasty. Remember you gotta make sure that you keep the stock KA in there too. None of your mods will matter if your car is fast, its gotta look fast but be slow as fuck. After you do all this, the "offset police:fruit:" will truly :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: .

:D :D :boink:

DoriftoSlut

10-29-2003, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by blxmjx
The car looks good. I'd really love to see the finished product. If the wheels end up bothering you too much. You can always sell them and buy a set of cheap ass played out 5zigen fno1rc's w/some low offsets. Get the offsets super low so you have to camber the fawk out of it so you won't rub. Also make sure to drop your car to the ground so the front bumper scrapes and starts to look all nasty. Remember you gotta make sure that you keep the stock KA in there too. None of your mods will matter if your car is fast, its gotta look fast but be slow as fuck. After you do all this, the "offset police:fruit:" will truly :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: .

:D :D :boink:
Bwahahahahahahaha that shits funny! LISTEN PEOPLE, THIS is how you PWN NITEKRAPS! All that technical jibba jibba yous be talking don't do shit!

Oh wait, his car is going to have a spare Friends bumper (he now has a full kit) if he ever wants it to looks nice (fuck perfect bumpers it means YOU DONT DRIVE YOUR FUCKING CAR) and about a month from now a kouki S14 Sr is going in.:doh: Looks like Nitekrap isnt going to be the resident poser for too much longer. Oh did we mention he daily drives his car and drifts after work everyday. Haha.:bow:

NiteKids

10-29-2003, 10:39 PM

I just bought my front clip today too! sheesh i'm gettin super broke. Kouki S14 black top too!

VRT_BooZTT

10-29-2003, 10:47 PM

Nitekids..why would he need a 30mm spacer? Do you actually really know about offset or are you just going off of what people "say" about it or what would "work". Do you know about steering acumen or steering geometry? It sounds like your think you might know. Someone just hit on it slightly a minute ago speaking of bumpsteer..but..wait..why am I even entertaining you, I'd lose half of you if I tried to explain it. If you want, you can ask dousan36 or Dorifto180sx..I'm not a troll and I just might know what I'm talking about. Don't get all defensive if someone contests your information..there's no harm in being wrong sometimes.

Matt_240

10-29-2003, 10:53 PM

[i] p.s. Nitekrap keeps repeating the same things about offsets and sizes because Dousan and I secretely brainwash him. In all reality, he is in a trance-like state only to return if I snap my fingers. [/B]

snap your fingers please....with sugar on top. thanks.

SimpleS14

10-29-2003, 10:55 PM

I must say this thread is rather funny. :p

Anyways....I'm not a fan of the kit at all...just doesn't look right to ME. Wheels are nice, but you will probably end up selling them and getting other rims once your car is done and you have $$$ to spare (also if you find another good deal). Keep up the work and enjoy what YOU do for YOUR car.

Matt_240

10-29-2003, 10:58 PM

wow... theres a bunch of hawaii up in here.

nitekids you bastard! how the hell do you afford all these wonderful goodies.

toreno

10-29-2003, 11:02 PM

DAMN>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thats tite!!!!!!!!!!!!
how much did that set u back if u dont mind me asking

Kookaburraz

10-30-2003, 02:28 AM

Haha, 17x8 +25 will look good with that bodykit? Riiiiight. 17x9 +15 on stock body with a large amount of camber is flush on a low S13. Nothing looks worse than skinny wheels with spacers, it makes the car look bowlegged. 17x9.5 +10 is what belongs on that car.

$2000 in wheels, or $2000 in bodykit, which looks better? Seems most people are all about having their car kitted up. It still looks like ass when the car looks like it's tip toeing while straddling a pile of shit. It should just fall in.

DuffMan

10-30-2003, 07:29 AM

Just to clarify about the steering feel comment, theres more to steering feel than response. You can fix response with harder sidewalls, GTO spacer and just a stiffer suspension.

The problem that personally bugs me is the change in the distanse of the steering axis from the contact patch (scrub radius). This is something I have felt personally as I have gone from stock to +35 to +28 and now +25. Maybe people just dont notice it because the general steering feel of the 240sx sucks ass. On a lot of sports cars with good steering feel (Porsches, BMWs) the owners are OBSESSIVE about having the stock offset on aftermarket wheels. Its because of this reason.

It's a trade off for those who want to run bigger tires, and coilovers that use a smaller bracket. Whatever, to each his or her own.

Zemus

10-30-2003, 08:28 AM

Wow this is a wonderful thread, ive learned so much, and gl with your swap nightkids, and Dousan, good job brainwashing him :-D

Dousan_PG

10-30-2003, 08:47 AM

Originally posted by VRT_BooZTT
If you want, you can ask dousan36 or Dorifto180sx..I'm not a troll and I just might know what I'm talking about. Don't get all defensive if someone contests your information..there's no harm in being wrong sometimes.

werd. this dood knows his stuff.

:)

what's up. welcome to zilvia...i guess. never seen you post here yet

see you in vegas (?) im sure! be sure to come out to dd9! maybe dorifto's 'car' (if it really exists) will be there.

peace!

KiDyNomiTe

10-30-2003, 09:11 AM

He doesn't need 50 mm spacers. It's kinda hard to say how much he is gonna need without knowing what camber he'll be running. It will be trial and error for him.

I don't know this guys personally, but do you know how much tracking he does with his car? All this talk abotu performace is pretty useless if he goes to a track very few times. If he goes a lot he is probably going to end up getting another set of cheaper wheels. But these are all just my thoughts.

I have no problem with the JDM look, it looks great, I'll probably end up having my car look similar, minus the kits. If I got a good deal on some wheels that were close to looking flush I'd buy em. When I begin tracking my car I will probably end up buying cheap half decent wheels while saving for something perfect. Money doesn't grow on trees, and waiting around for some wheels to either come in from Japan, or waiting and saving even more money to buy different wheels is not a fun wait, especially if he is going to rolling around on a flashy GP Sports kit with Turbo of some sort on 6 inch +40 wheels

Dousan_PG

10-30-2003, 09:18 AM

Originally posted by KiDyNomiTe
I have no problem with the JDM look, it looks great, I'll probably end up having my car look similar, minus the kits. If I got a good deal on some wheels that were close to looking flush I'd buy em. When I begin tracking my car I will probably end up buying cheap half decent wheels while saving for something perfect.

ROFLMAO
your trying TOO HARD!!

basically the recap for your post is you will have:

stock body
lots of wheels (with crap offsets and poor looks wise) with the exception of a few 'good ones'

damn your soooo cool.

Dousan_PG

10-30-2003, 09:21 AM

yeah got henry brainwashed..haha
his car does look SICK right now. looks great. cant wait for the full kit. its going to be pimp. he'll be at the track w/ us too. :) hehehehe..i cant wait for the day i can say "nitekids can drift better then you" hahahaha (jokingly, not serious, all in good fun)

too funny :)

Matt_240

10-30-2003, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by dousan36
yeah got henry brainwashed..haha
his car does look SICK right now. looks great. cant wait for the full kit. its going to be pimp. he'll be at the track w/ us too. :) hehehehe..i cant wait for the day i can say "nitekids can drift better then you" hahahaha (jokingly, not serious, all in good fun)

too funny :)

i dont get it.. why doesnt he have to get a full kit first before going to track?

Dousan_PG

10-30-2003, 11:45 AM

some people want looks done first before anything
just how some people are
me..i like track then looks and more track and looks and track..etc etc etc.
others like only track and care less about looks
personal preference.
his car will be pretty pimp. i cant wait to drift it :p hehehe

SimpleS14

10-30-2003, 12:07 PM

Does he (NiteKids a.k.a Henry) practice in organized events? You know...some random parking lot with alot of cones laying around. :)

Because I believe Phatty200 used to pratice with his car before he went with the Vertex Kit and yummy R34 wheels. NOTE: I'm not making this post as if I hang around with this guy.

BTW...I think NiteKids should paint his headlights and corners.

Dousan_PG

10-30-2003, 12:09 PM

parking lots w/ islands :)
soon organized. very soon

i feel like his agent haha

SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!!!!

brianglawson

10-30-2003, 01:54 PM

love that kit man, ive been waiting to see one other than the factory pic. I think the wheels will look fine for now, if you decide you want something different, you can always sell them and add a little cash and buy some nice volk gt-p's "aaahhh"

nitekids, is just a offset whore, some people live buy it, like aaron, or oni, or dorifto180sx, but nitekids, wants people to think he knows alot about it so he can fit in and be DrIfTeR tYtE......

DamnedButDetermined

10-30-2003, 02:29 PM

Damn i feel like a five year old. I only looked at this thread because of the pics and didn't read 99% of what was said. All i know is someone somewhere got owned or something. I am going to shut up though before I get some horns up my ass!:eek:

nokeone

10-30-2003, 02:43 PM

Brian:

i think you're wrong...

i don't see nightkids as someone looking for approval or to fit in..i think he just has a strong opinion about somethin and is not ashamed to let it be known at any, and all, possible times where he deems relevant..regardless of actual knowledge he may possess or lack..

it's the same with Dorifto or Dousan or whomever..they just happen to have the respect of the majority on this board..so their opinions are more readily accepted as truths..

and as with alllll walks of life..there will always be cliques and niches...some fit in, some don't, some want to, some don't care..

i liken these boards to High School..popularity contests and petty argumemts..

Dousan just happens to be the Varsity Quarterback...:p

DuffMan

10-30-2003, 02:52 PM

I've always though of Dousan and Dorifto more like cheerleaders.

"GOOOOOOOOO LOW OFFSETS YAY!"

NiteKids is like that fat girl who goes out for the cheerleading squad and makes it because they feel sorry for her, but never really quite fits in.

Dousan_PG

10-30-2003, 02:54 PM

:rolleyes:

omen2853

10-30-2003, 03:03 PM

funny duffman...funny indeed

DoriftoSlut

10-30-2003, 03:19 PM

Duffman, since I owned you alrerady on this thread and countless others, and provided hard evidence that absolutely KILLS your "theories" and shit, would you be the poor fuck you tries to "be their own person" in the drama club, yet still run after the cheerleaders holding our Gucci bookbags? Or are you the poor fuck that gets the shit kicked out of her because she wrote a note about one of the cheerleaders behind her back? Reeeeeaaaaawwrrr I smell... SKANKS. Why don't you beat it before I leave treadmarks on your faccce!

Don't fuck with the bull you dumb spaniard, cause that fucker is heading right towards you ready to pin your ass to the Pamplona coblestone.

Matt_240

10-30-2003, 03:34 PM

nokeone

10-30-2003, 03:42 PM

Originally posted by Dorifto180sx
Duffman, since I owned you alrerady on this thread and countless others, and provided hard evidence that absolutely KILLS your "theories" and shit, would you be the poor fuck you tries to "be their own person" in the drama club, yet still run after the cheerleaders holding our Gucci bookbags? Or are you the poor fuck that gets the shit kicked out of her because she wrote a note about one of the cheerleaders behind her back? Reeeeeaaaaawwrrr I smell... SKANKS. Why don't you beat it before I leave treadmarks on your faccce!

Don't fuck with the bull you dumb spaniard, cause that fucker is heading right towards you ready to pin your ass to the Pamplona coblestone.

ROFLMAO!!!..oh wow..that was funny...i'm dying here at work...ok people, stop looking at me..it's just laughter..:D

mrmephistopheles

10-30-2003, 03:45 PM

Originally posted by Dorifto180sx
Duffman, since I owned you alrerady

Now, Betsy.. play nice!

DoriftoSlut

10-30-2003, 03:54 PM

Originally posted by mrmephistopheles
Now, Betsy.. play nice!
Sorry mommy, but me and Hillary DUFF are just getting along so nicely!

brianglawson

10-30-2003, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by DuffMan

NiteKids is like that fat girl who goes out for the cheerleading squad and makes it because they feel sorry for her, but never really quite fits in.

thats pretty funny

dorifto, i see where you are coming from indeed, and maybe its just my feelings towards the way he acts.....everytime i hear him flame or talk about offsets, i think of some geeky little kid buying a size 15 shoe when he only wears a size 8, just so he could fit in with the athletes and have a big foot

Thorpedo

10-30-2003, 04:26 PM

dont diss those wheels, they use to be mine i cant wait to see them on that hot coupe

nokeone

10-30-2003, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by Thorpedo
dont diss those wheels, they use to be mine i cant wait to see them on that hot coupe

i'd be excited about seeing them on someone elses car too if they used to be mine..

that way you can say, "phew, got rid of those once and for all...damn they look like ass, nice car otherwise though, what was i thinking..:bash: "

KiDyNomiTe

10-30-2003, 04:34 PM

Originally posted by dousan36

damn your soooo cool.

very

Zemus

10-30-2003, 05:34 PM

Originally posted by Dorifto180sx
Sorry mommy, but me and Hillary DUFF are just getting along so nicely!

HAHA BURN,

What a wonderful thread, I love it, MM

And then the kid who sold the other kid the wheels gets on, and he will soon im sure be flamed, god this is so freaking awesome, all older members are like angey old men, its great, im starting to get bitter also.. its awesome.

KiDyNomiTe

10-30-2003, 05:39 PM

Originally posted by Oni
HAHA BURN,

What a wonderful thread, I love it, MM

And then the kid who sold the other kid the wheels gets on, and he will soon im sure be flamed, got this is so freaking awesome, all older members are like angey old men, its great, im starting to get bitter also.. its awesome.

haha I really wanna meet a lot of these people. Cuz everyone is so much different than what I would have though, like when I met you I wouldn't have expected well you, whatever thats supposed to mean :)

I still think forums bring the worst out of everyone.

NiteKids

10-30-2003, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by Thorpedo
dont diss those wheels, they use to be mine i cant wait to see them on that hot coupe

So your the one who cause who initially bought these wheels...

blxmjx

10-30-2003, 05:56 PM

Originally posted by NiteKids
So your the one who cause who initially bought these wheels... got engrish??:doh:

Kid Zelda

10-30-2003, 06:05 PM

People hate on Nikekrap because his whole shtick (sp?) is annoying the krap out of everyone, 90% of his post are worthless, high offset flames, body kit fitment, etc etc .. and just plain STUPID , he was once this cheap body kit, cheap wheels, etc etc person and it seems like he’s the biggest hypocrite the way he comes off.

I mean I’ve meet NiteKrap once in person, he is chill, totally different then he is here.. from what I could tell.

So it is safe to say I HATE NITEKRAP .. but Henry is cool
:)

JuJuBee

10-30-2003, 06:19 PM

haha, yeah...nitekid is different than how he is on the forums....a very quiet guy but he is fuckin wacky

thanks for letting me "drive" your car even though i didnt move lmao

Zemus

10-30-2003, 06:23 PM

I would think the quote on this kids site would be the best (it was on some driftpage's links page) "Pink Zilla cool guys, but not to nice online" Hah. I think their nice, their just very truthful, heh its ok, if ppl cant take critizisum (yea i cant spell) thats to bad.

DoriftoSlut

10-30-2003, 06:29 PM

Whoa cool! Whos site was that!!!? Sweet. Yeah we are the online fucking Mafia. :axe: HAHAHAHHAHAI'mnotkidding.

:cry:

Zemus

10-30-2003, 07:59 PM

"Pink Godzilla- Nice folks, but not on the internet."

http://www.brakesislife.com/links.htm

itsybitsy240sxEy

10-30-2003, 08:02 PM

Lindsay, I think Oni was talking about www.brakesislife.com. In answer to someone's comment that this is the only car forum that stresses offset so much, it's because we have the sex-less hetero life partners Aaron (Dousan), Lindsay (Dorifto), and their brainless little monkey minion Henry (Nitekids) dancing around here. Henry, I don't care what skills you do or do not have, and what mods you do or do not have, most of your posts are worthless/offensive/elitist, so can you at least vary it up a little with intelligence/wit? :)

KiDyNomiTe

10-30-2003, 08:39 PM

ROFL love the sig itsybitsy

SimpleS14

10-30-2003, 09:51 PM

:stupid:

Originally posted by blxmjx
got engrish??:doh:

lol...this thread is so funny!

I doubt anyone is going to flame the person who sold the rims. I also think people are different when you meet them in person. I would like to see the finshed product before I "type" anymore opinions. As for the whole "flush with fender" look.....its something I'm not really out for....unless I had an M5 with some DEEP dish rims. :boink:

nokeone

10-30-2003, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by KiDyNomiTe
ROFL love the sig itsybitsy

hahaha...werd!..that's hilarious...

and to whomever wonders about people in person...

i can tell you Lindsay and Aaron are some of the biggest goofballs ever...:D

good people..

VRT_BooZTT

10-30-2003, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by nokeone
Brian:

i think you're wrong...

i don't see nightkids as someone looking for approval or to fit in..i think he just has a strong opinion about somethin and is not ashamed to let it be known at any, and all, possible times where he deems relevant..regardless of actual knowledge he may possess or lack..

it's the same with Dorifto or Dousan or whomever..they just happen to have the respect of the majority on this board..so their opinions are more readily accepted as truths..

and as with alllll walks of life..there will always be cliques and niches...some fit in, some don't, some want to, some don't care..

i liken these boards to High School..popularity contests and petty argumemts..

Dousan just happens to be the Varsity Quarterback...:p

Well, I got a question..why do you have a picture of my roomates old S13 drifting as your avitar? Hope you aren't fronting..I have the original pic available.. ;)

As far as Dousan36 and Dorifto180sx..they aren't speaking out of their ass..so maybe that's why people actually listen to them. They also really DRIVE their cars..I've seen it happen! :eek: ! Oh, and Dorifto180sx got to ride shotgun with me at GMR..at a slow pace..well, I wanted to go faster, but it wasn't in the cards. ;)

People will be people..wow, i agree with you on something! Cool!
Oh yeah, and this describes a lot of people on here too!

http://www.streetneeds.com/ttnet/up/AttentionWhore.jpg

SimpleS14

10-30-2003, 10:56 PM

Originally posted by VRT_BooZTT
http://www.streetneeds.com/ttnet/up/AttentionWhore.jpg

Been looking for that picture for awhile.....

nokeone

10-30-2003, 10:56 PM

Originally posted by VRT_BooZTT
Well, I got a question..why do you have a picture of my roomates old S13 drifting as your avitar? Hope you aren't fronting..I have the original pic available.. ;)

As far as Dousan36 and Dorifto180sx..they aren't speaking out of their ass..so maybe that's why people actually listen to them. They also really DRIVE their cars..I've seen it happen! :eek: ! Oh, and Dorifto180sx got to ride shotgun with me at GMR..at a slow pace..well, I wanted to go faster, but it wasn't in the cards. ;)

People will be people..wow, i agree with you on something! Cool!
Oh yeah, and this describes a lot of people on here too!

http://www.streetneeds.com/ttnet/up/AttentionWhore.jpg

actually i drive a coupe...

http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/1/web/217000-217999/217409_32_full.jpg

but thank you for the info..tell your roommate it's a nice picture..:)..and if he has a problem with me using it i'll be happy to change it...in fact...i think i will anyway...you make a valid point..i should have a picture of me in there..

front??..no, i actually prolly do more events then most people on these boards...at least 1 a month...and i'm not counting 3 lap AutoX's or 10.8 miles of track time DD's..:p..lol..

i'm definately not anything special...but i don't suck...;)..

and i happen to be good friends with both Aaron and Lindsay...so that's why i like giving them a hard time on these boards..i love poking fun of their popularity...:D

oh and while i'm not an attention whore...lol...

ummmmmmmmm....

:hitit:

lol

DoriftoSlut

10-30-2003, 10:59 PM

For the record I have no clue what VRT is talking about. Yeah. I dont know him... hes just some random dude that pisses on the side of every mountain he goes to.

hahaha. I feel like this is Comedy Central Roast of Dousan and Dorifto. Only not funny. And we arent famous. And, well who the fuck is Dousan anyway, I dont know him in real life.

"Who am I?"
*riiing*
"God?"

Hahah Zoolander rocks.

um yeah this thread is funny, but its locking is inevetible. WAIT, TTRRRRY to keep it on topic..

ah,

ah,

ah, the um rear bumper looks good. Actually it does. Everythig is cool except the Silvia face and the offsets. Heh.

Ok i'm done. Hillary Duff isnt posting anymore, so i cant really say anything funny.

p.s. for the record, at 40% (lead driver induced) Mike is a crazy motherfucker. No way in hell will he ever drive my car with no "pace car" in front of him.:coolugh: :p

hahaha aloha bra!

Anubis

10-31-2003, 02:15 AM

OMG wtf has the thread turned into.

Grant

10-31-2003, 03:32 AM

so can I empty a clip into henry's forehead now?.....................

how bout now??.................

Dousan (Aaron) and Dorifto180sx (Lindsay) are well respected for many reasons:

1) Both whores have the skill and experience (yes these guys are good drivers)

2) Both have the knowledge and expertise (do work to their car themselves)

3) Car's and nicely and tastefully done, (they not some 15 yr old posting who is going to get a car soon, and yes, look at pics of their cars or check out their cars in person)

4) Very happily married couple..

:doh:

as for me: no skill. shitty car.. no good. thats why I dont give advise, or show my POS. but if you want advise on how to hit trash can and send it into the path of your friend's car at a track event, I know a thing or two about that. :D

VRT_BooZTT

10-31-2003, 05:14 AM

Originally posted by Dorifto180sx
For the record I have no clue what VRT is talking about. Yeah. I dont know him... hes just some random dude that pisses on the side of every mountain he goes to.

p.s. for the record, at 40% (lead driver induced) Mike is a crazy motherfucker. No way in hell will he ever drive my car with no "pace car" in front of him.:coolugh: :p

hahaha aloha bra!

Haha, man..I get caught everywhere that nature calls! At least no one follows me into regular bathrooms with cameras! LOL!

Oh, come on..please!!!! Wait, then why is your Dad willing to let me borrow his coupe when we shoot in Maui? Haha..you didn't tell him much about me did you? LOL! ...uhhm..don't because I still want a car to drive! You going to DD9? We'll be there.

and nokeone..no worries man, that picture has floated all over the internet..I can't believe how many times I've seen that. That picture was actually taken several years ago..we've been at it out here for a while now. Maybe it rubs off on Dorifto180sx.. ;)

KiDyNomiTe

10-31-2003, 05:51 AM

wow, this should be like the lets vent thread.

Have we all got it out of our system yet?

Zemus

10-31-2003, 06:19 AM

Originally posted by KiDyNomiTe
wow, this should be like the lets vent thread.

Have we all got it out of our system yet?

Not yet.......

:fawk:

Ok im good :-D

808Supra

10-31-2003, 06:24 AM

quick...someone say somthing about my 16x8 +32 rims...

DuffMan

10-31-2003, 07:45 AM

Haha, its like this thread has turned out war with everyone jumping in on a side.

Sorry I couldnt respond to the BS earlier, but I only waste my time with this stuff when I'm at work. I didn't bother to read the part of the thread where Dorifto "owned" me before my last post, but now I'll take the time to pick it apart.

Originally posted by Dorifto180sx
[B]Lets see...
A 9 inch wheel with offset +10 would be equivelent to a 7 inch with -15 offset.
No it would be equivelent to a 7 inch with +10 offset in terms of the center of the contact patch. Unless you are using spacers. I didnt really see what the hell you are talking about.

The car and suspension being the same, the distance from the "dave point" (the point where the steering axis meets the ground plane) to the mounting hub will stay the same, since we are only changing the wheels in this demonstration. Lets call that distance X. The center of the contact patch will assumably lie in line with the center of the wheel width (if we have 0 camber). The contact patch center on the 9 inch wheel here will sit distance (X-10) or 10mm TOWARDS the steering axis from the hub. The 7 inch will sit distance (X+15) or 15mm AWAY FROM the steering axis. ON TOP OF THAT... the contact patch will be wider on the 9 inch wheel (unless we have the same size tires on... in which case the contact patch SHOULD be the same).

This is kind of giberish so I dont know what you are getting at. Keep in mind it is from the CENTER of the contact patch.

Anyway, remember the bit about 0 camber??? Since no one caring about this speil SHOULD have 0 camber (terrible for performance)... adding in negative camber will move the contact patch center CLOSER to the steering axis, since it will now be centered towards the shoulder of the tire.
The thing is even when you have 0 camber you dont really have 0 camber due to caster. The thing is, I dont care about the position of the "dave point" relative to the contact patch when I'm driving straight. It's when you're turning. Even if you have camber, the contact patch shifts to (hopefully) the center or outside of the wheel.

WELL all you haters of wide wheels and low offsets, but the center of the contact patch on these setups is ALMOST the same as stock. :coolugh: looks like someones agument is going straight out the window:doh: :wtc: :cry:

No it doesn't. Adding camber INCREASES the distance of the center of the tire from the "dave point" on a strut suspension. Not by a whole lot, but your "camber fixes the problem" argument is wrong.

I think your mistake is this "9 inch wheel with offset +10 would be equivelent to a 7 inch with -15 offset" thing. Width doesnt affect the position of the center of the tire relative steering axis. The offset does. Unless you are adding some mystery spacer here, your whole argument is bunk.

Dousan_PG

10-31-2003, 08:57 AM

haha
greatest thread EVER
hahaha...

VRT_BooZTT at gmr..nuts. that was a fun night :) hehe
btw, itsybitsy was w/ danny that night..the back of the group. :)

um...keep this thread on topic

NICE BODY KIT

:p

see you tomorrow Neokone
dont flake!
fender rolling is on! make sure georgia and such knows as well. ill them all. takes about 3 hours or so per car. yeah i work slow and im a perfectionist. ill roll the front fenders as well. that's easy.

oh remember, gotta REMOVE fender linings too (that's wussy stuff anyways)

and you can check out and help me fix my kouki 180sx [b]TYPE X[/b\ (cuz its jdm tyte yo!) bumper hahaha..its on the car now. :p

Zemus

10-31-2003, 09:06 AM

Seeing as we are on the topic of wheels I have a question.

I already asked Dousan and he said they would be decent but.. i need your guys 2 cents

16x8.5 +38 offset.. I felt the offset was quite high :-/ What do you guys think about that, and how bout a spacer, like a 6mm would that even make a diff or help anything..

h3x11

10-31-2003, 09:40 AM

Originally posted by DRFT
Get some wheels too! kit looks good. Get some wheels that are flush with the fenders.

nothing 18" or 17"+fat meat can't fill-in those huge wheel-well.

KiDyNomiTe

10-31-2003, 10:16 AM

Originally posted by Oni
Seeing as we are on the topic of wheels I have a question.

I already asked Dousan and he said they would be decent but.. i need your guys 2 cents

16x8.5 +38 offset.. I felt the offset was quite high :-/ What do you guys think about that, and how bout a spacer, like a 6mm would that even make a diff or help anything..

Are these for the Nismo knock offs?

I would imagine that they would be off by a bit, especially if you are gonna be buying coils from Dave, you are gonna go crazy on the camber whenever you get em.

Wouldnt it work to just measure. Stock wheels are +40 6 inch, 25mm is about an inch (I think) 25.4 to be exact if my math is right. Wheels would extend on both sides I assume, so divide by two, figuring out camber is a whole other battle.

Zemus

10-31-2003, 10:29 AM

Yea I really wanted them in like a 20 or 15, but i guess that will do, ill just space the front.. Also when is dave getting his stuff in, I am SO READY TO BUY :(

SimpleS14

10-31-2003, 10:34 AM

Originally posted by Grant
4) Very happily married couple..

:doh:

They are married?.....to each other?

DuffMan

10-31-2003, 10:50 AM

Dousan_PG

10-31-2003, 10:52 AM

ya at least 15mm
you need a +24 or lower on fronts
as i said..get the 17s! hahahaha.

Zemus

10-31-2003, 11:38 AM

Ill put some spacers on it, or just run my 15x7.5s in front with a 0 offset, see im not getting 17s because i want to say around 16s, when i get 5 bolt ill get 17s

blxmjx

10-31-2003, 11:52 AM

Originally posted by dousan36
ya at least 15mm
you need a +24 or lower on fronts
as i said..get the 17s! hahahaha.

I'm running 18x8.5 w/a +30 up front and they cleared my coilovers just fine. w/and w/out camber. I had to slap a 5mm spacer in there afterwards to clear my calipers. But, w/the stock calipers there weren't any rubbing issues at all.

Dousan_PG

10-31-2003, 11:54 AM

what coilovers do you have blxmjx?

DuffMan

10-31-2003, 11:55 AM

Because your wheel was taller (18 inch) and the shock body angles outward as it goes upward, you have extra room than a 16 inch would. Also s14 i think has some extra room compared to S13.

blxmjx

10-31-2003, 11:58 AM

Originally posted by dousan36
what coilovers do you have blxmjx?

tein flex0rs.

Kookaburraz

10-31-2003, 12:01 PM

No it would be equivelent to a 7 inch with +10 offset in terms of the center of the contact patch. Unless you are using spacers. I didnt really see what the hell you are talking about. He's saying that everyone who said make it flush with spacers would need a 25mm LOWER offset for the same outer position, thus why having a wider wheel with a higher offset if better.

Duffman, I know you love high offset skinny wheels because of their obvious handling benefits. You really showed them off by driving your car into a ditch at the convention
:aw:

Dousan_PG

10-31-2003, 12:01 PM

duffman answered it
i was going to say if you had Apex coilovers (like n1 pro or type v) it would clear w/o spacers too if on 15s, 16s and 17s and such. bracket design.

blxmjx

10-31-2003, 12:04 PM

Originally posted by dousan36
duffman answered it
i was going to say if you had Apex coilovers (like n1 pro or type v) it would clear w/o spacers too if on 15s, 16s and 17s and such. bracket design.

so, you homo's gotta add an asterisk to the statement.

*unless you are running 18's due to bracket design and such.

Dousan_PG

10-31-2003, 12:04 PM

Originally posted by Kookaburraz
He's saying that everyone who said make it flush with spacers would need a 25mm LOWER offset for the same outer position, thus why having a wider wheel with a higher offset if better.

Duffman, I know you love high offset skinny wheels because of their obvious handling benefits. You really showed them off by driving your car into a ditch at the convention
:aw:

:rofl:
whaaaaat!!!

Zemus

10-31-2003, 12:06 PM

Yea im getting Apex coilovers, so will I still need spacers for those 16s

Dousan_PG

10-31-2003, 12:07 PM

Originally posted by blxmjx
so, you homo's gotta add an asterisk to the statement.

*unless you are running 18's due to bracket design and such.

IF you read duffman's post:

You would need like a 15mm spacer in front to clear most coils

itsalways like that
n1s are different then the average
just how zeal is one of the smallest on the market
yes 18s do make a difference too, just as 15s and 17s do

its like yeah i have 7" +27
with HUGE ASS Tires
so it hits the suspension

hav to loook at the WHOLE picture, not just a small portion.

clearance is based on and has ALWAYS been based on:

wheel size
offset
coilover type/shock springs
tire choice sizing
car height (if slammed you cant turn the wheels)
fender clearance (room...wide fenders, stock, rolled, etc)

NiteKids

10-31-2003, 12:09 PM

Bwhahahahhahhahahahahahhhahahahhaa

blxmjx

10-31-2003, 12:10 PM

Originally posted by dousan36
IF you read duffman's post:

itsalways like that
n1s are different then the average
just how zeal is one of the smallest on the market
yes 18s do make a difference too, just as 15s and 17s do

its like yeah i have 7" +27
with HUGE ASS Tires
so it hits the suspension

hav to loook at the WHOLE picture, not just a small portion.

clearance is based on and has ALWAYS been based on:

wheel size
offset
coilover type/shock springs
tire choice sizing
car height (if slammed you cant turn the wheels)
fender clearance (room...wide fenders, stock, rolled, etc)

Dood, you don't gotta add such a long ass asterisk. Just fawking w/you.

nokeone

10-31-2003, 12:11 PM

Originally posted by dousan36

see you tomorrow Neokone
dont flake!
fender rolling is on! make sure georgia and such knows as well. ill them all. takes about 3 hours or so per car. yeah i work slow and im a perfectionist. ill roll the front fenders as well. that's easy.

oh remember, gotta REMOVE fender linings too (that's wussy stuff anyways)

and you can check out and help me fix my kouki 180sx TYPE X (cuz its jdm tyte yo!) bumper hahaha..its on the car now. :p

haha...how could i flake?!?!?..the BBQ and car day is at MY house on Saturday..lol..and you, and hopefully that punk Lindsay (if you promise to get him home on Sunday), are coming out with me tonight!!!!!!..don't think you are getting out of the Halloween festivities because you will be tired from driving..:p..BUCK UP!!..lol..plus it's gonna be a REALLY fun night...

i'll let georgia know, and scott, and nic and whomever i can think of..what's the going rate as of now for these wonderful services?..i know nic and i are working out a trade for your body work...but what about the others?

and i only need the rears rolled/pulled...fronts are Abroads like yours..so 20-25mm already (whatever it is..lol)...

fender liners / splash guards / etc are gone..got tired of them..lol..and i agree...wussy..

and yeah..we'll handle the bumper for you..child's play i'm sure..lol..

lookin forward to it!!!

:D

blxmjx

10-31-2003, 12:13 PM

Can't you just leave well enough alone. Let me pad my post count in peace.:hammer:

It sucks being a Leaky Injector. :wtc:

At least I'm not padding my post count w/inane responses like "bwahahahahahaha" now that would be super gay.:D :D ;)

DuffMan

10-31-2003, 12:22 PM

Haha, not the ditch!

I drove into the ditch because the whole group stopped (i guess to let the slower cars go by) and myself, being towards the back of the group, ended up coming out of a blind turn accelerating through the turn, and suddenly finding a stopped car in front of me.

My choices were:

1. Slam on brakes, risk locking and hitting car in front of me. Could I have made it? Maybe. It would have been real close.

2. Putting two wheels off.

I think I made the right decision. Also gave the guy behind me an extra car length in which to stop, which he seemed to need because he came to a stop right next to me. Car wasnt damaged and was able to get back on with a bit of pusing.

I think my car handled pretty well on the uphill on the mountain. Sucked big time downhill because the brakes were fading (stock brakes with 2 people and 200+ lbs of stuff and gear sucks) and my tires got reaaaally greasey.

Zemus

10-31-2003, 12:24 PM

I wish i was in cali, i would love to come hang with you guys in the nice sun, over hear it is freaking cold as hell :(

blxmjx

10-31-2003, 12:26 PM

Originally posted by Oni
I wish i was in cali, i would love to come hang with you guys in the nice sun, over hear it is freaking cold as hell :(

its been pretty sucky lately tho. W/the brushfires, the air has been dirty and today its actually pretty overcast.

NiteKids

10-31-2003, 12:34 PM

Even if you car did sustain damage it wouldn't be that big of a deal damaging some skinny fwd offset wheels.

DuffMan

10-31-2003, 12:35 PM

Annother good reason to run them! Thanks NiteKids!

Grant

10-31-2003, 12:35 PM

Originally posted by Oni
I wish i was in cali, i would love to come hang with you guys in the nice sun, over hear it is freaking cold as hell :(

u mean the nice fires?? hehe. yea, its a good idea to stay in the cold for now..

nokeone

10-31-2003, 12:40 PM

it's nice up here in Northern California right now..:D..

sucks about down south though..my Dad got sent down there last saturday for the fire support with the CDF and CDC...and i know of 2 close personal friends in the San Diego area who have lost their homes..:(..it's sad..

Dousan_PG

10-31-2003, 12:55 PM

dood im nto going to any parties.
1) i hate parties.
2) i hate halloween (serious)
3) and the most important
EVERYTIME i come up to norcal i never get to spend time w/ my family (brother and parents). last 2 times i was there to sleep and left the next day back home
my mom wants to take me to the movies too! i wanna see Kill Bill again or something

sorry.

lindsay nah i dotn think he'll be coming up!

Flybert

10-31-2003, 01:11 PM

Just wanted to let everyone know even though the family feud has been coming to an end that there is plenty of sack on deez nuts for everyone to hang onto. You can swing on em' and go get some N1 PRO at your nearest Apexi retailer. Large brackets, large shock body, amazing shock, clears higher offset wheels compared to other coilovers.

nokeone

10-31-2003, 01:12 PM

Originally posted by dousan36
dood im nto going to any parties.
1) i hate parties.
2) i hate halloween (serious)
3) and the most important
EVERYTIME i come up to norcal i never get to spend time w/ my family (brother and parents). last 2 times i was there to sleep and left the next day back home
my mom wants to take me to the movies too! i wanna see Kill Bill again or something

sorry.

lindsay nah i dotn think he'll be coming up!

:blah:

how can you hate parties?!..how can you hate halloween?!..:rant2:..parties are fun..halloween is comical and fun as well..i think you are an old man..beyond your years old..lol..

:p

hahah...anyway, i feel ya...i remember what it was like when i lived in LA and family was up here...

KILL BILL ROCKS!!..i wanna see it again too...:D

but yeah..no worries..tell Lindsay he gets a foot in the ass next time i see him..:axe:

and just give me a call when you get up here...so we can figure stuff out..

drive safe!!

see ya

Dousan_PG

10-31-2003, 01:15 PM

yep. im 24 self supported sleep aroudn 10 pm nightly and up at 6 for my 9-5 type job. haha..nothing exciting!

ya see u then. werd. lindsay who knows

im SOO pumped. im getting 4 new (used) tires mounted and blance for cheap for 205/55/16 WERD
cant wait for VEGAS BABY VEGAS!!!! dd9! :)

DuffMan

10-31-2003, 01:22 PM

Originally posted by Flybert
Just wanted to let everyone know even though the family feud has been coming to an end that there is plenty of sack on deez nuts for everyone to hang onto. You can swing on em' and go get some N1 PRO at your nearest Apexi retailer. Large brackets, large shock body, amazing shock, clears higher offset wheels compared to other coilovers.

Hmm, large bracket moves the steering axis in, which causes the same issue I have with low offsets.

Meh, life is all about compromises.

240Driver39

10-31-2003, 01:27 PM

nice kit, looks good

hahahahhahaah this threads so funny!.....right....:rolleyes:...zzzzzz

nokeone

10-31-2003, 01:28 PM

Originally posted by dousan36
yep. im 24 self supported sleep aroudn 10 pm nightly and up at 6 for my 9-5 type job. haha..nothing exciting!

ya see u then. werd. lindsay who knows

im SOO pumped. im getting 4 new (used) tires mounted and blance for cheap for 205/55/16 WERD
cant wait for VEGAS BABY VEGAS!!!! dd9! :)

you ALWAYS get somethin or other for CHEAP!!..lol..i gotta figure out a way to get to Vegas just to watch..plus i think i'm expected at SEMA..lol..:hammer:

ahhhhh..life is tooooo busy!!...

what wheels you running now??...DEMON CAMBERS?!?!..lol..:p