Brightstar HID kits

[OptionZero]

Anyone heard of the quality of these? There's a very groupbuy going on them, and the Impreza/Subie crowd on NASIOC seems to like them.
Did not come up on search.

[old_s13]

here is the rule of thumb about "HID kits"

THEY ARE CRAP.

Why? For the last time, let me set the record straight. Let THIS post be the final post for everyone to refer to, should they EVER ask about retrofitting high-intensity XENON into a halogen headlamp assembly.

1) Halogen optics are different than HID optics, this means that in almost ALL cases (all headlamp assemblies), you cannot simply switch the halogen (h1, h3, h4, 9005, 9006) for a true XENON D2S or D2R bulb. Different bulbs, different optics -- PERIOD.

2) Reflector headlamps are horrible for HID conversions. If anything, atleast let it be a projector headlamp assembly -- projectors do a much better job of spreading and aiming the masses amount of light created by true HID bulbs.

3) Its illegal. There IS no such thing as a street-legal DOT-compliant "HID conversion." What IS permitted, are certain DOT headlamp conversions.. such as the Sylvania XenArc replacement headlights for the 6054 sealed-beams. If you're gonna go HID, spend some money and DO THAT.

Okay enough stupid questions, I dont feel like typing anymore. Just take my advice and dont waste your money on crappy retrofit rubbish. You'll just piss me off when you're behind me on the freeway and I will want to slam on my 300Z brakes and make you rear end me so I can smash your over-glaring HID headlamps.

-m

[TurDz]

Dude, you just gotta chill out a little...

Originally posted by old_s13
1) Halogen optics are different than HID optics, this means that in almost ALL cases (all headlamp assemblies), you cannot simply switch the halogen (h1, h3, h4, 9005, 9006) for a true XENON D2S or D2R bulb. Different bulbs, different optics -- PERIOD.

He doesn't intend to get a true xenon d2s/d2r conversion, he just wants to go from h1->h1 HID.


2) Reflector headlamps are horrible for HID conversions. If anything, atleast let it be a projector headlamp assembly -- projectors do a much better job of spreading and aiming the masses amount of light created by true HID bulbs.


He has H1 projectors. I've told him it may not be the best idea to do it, since it was never meant for HIDs, BUT, they are still projectors and will give off a decent cutoff pattern. Tons better than any reflector housing. The only concern might be on the right passenger side lighting. Since the shields in the projectors leave some stray light for road signs, etc, it might be too bright once there's an HID bulb in it.



Okay enough stupid questions, I dont feel like typing anymore. Just take my advice and dont waste your money on crappy retrofit rubbish. You'll just piss me off when you're behind me on the freeway and I will want to slam on my 300Z brakes and make you rear end me so I can smash your over-glaring HID headlamps.

-m

Bad day...? Try not to worry so much, I'll talk him into getting some Audi RS6 projectors so we can retrofit those into our housing.

[TurDz]

Instead of flaming, for future reference:

http://faq.auto.light.tripod.com/headlight-menu1.htm

http://www.intellexual.net/hid.html

great guides to everything you need to know, superb resource. Read the faqs, and see why HID bulbs in housing that are meant to hold HIDs is a great thing, and why retrofits into halogen type housing is not.

[old_s13]

Dude, you just gotta chill out a little...

He doesn't intend to get a true xenon d2s/d2r conversion, he just wants to go from h1->h1 HID.

I love it when people come in and try to tell me "whats up." Thanks for your wise and courteous advice, you are very caring. Just incase you were unsure, allow me to retort -- THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN H1 HID bulb. What YOU consider H1 HID *I* consider illegal, because technically.. there is NO such product; it is a grey-market product manufactured with NO consideration for lighting pattern OR performance. HID capsules are rebased into halogen bases for one reason, and ONLY one reason: to make profit off of consumers who do not understand lighting.


He has H1 projectors. I've told him it may not be the best idea to do it, since it was never meant for HIDs, BUT, they are still projectors and will give off a decent cutoff pattern. Tons better than any reflector housing. The only concern might be on the right passenger side lighting. Since the shields in the projectors leave some stray light for road signs, etc, it might be too bright once there's an HID bulb in it.

"decent cutoff pattern" -- there is no such term. Cutoff, yes.. that makes sense.. but did you ever stop to consider lighting pattern? More light, sure.. but what HAPPENS to all that extra light (3x the lumens output). It is not dispersed properly, so whats the point? Too much foreground light, not enough side-light.. all gives the driver a false feeling of safety. Whats needed is more DISPERSED light, and light further down the road.. NOT immediately in front of the car. Plus, the cutoff is not THAT great. BTW, left and right projectors -- no difference, the shields are identical.. and both are equally crapptastic, just incase you were wondering.


Bad day...? Try not to worry so much, I'll talk him into getting some Audi RS6 projectors so we can retrofit those into our housing.

No, not a bad day.. just tired of hearing the SAME old ignorant statements from people who dont mess with lighting as much as I do. That FAQ you posted, yes.. I am well aware of it. Its nice to see you use google, more people should use it. Be sure to send an e-mail thanking Herman the man who created that FAQ, and you might as well send him a donation too.. god knows he could use the funds since he's had that FAQ online and is doing so with his OWN cash. If you use the FAQ (which apparently you do), donate. Herman is a good guy and well known in the lighting community.

- Mike

ps: Dont tell me not to flame.. if I want to be angry and pissed off, I am more than entitled to. I deal with this shiet day in and day out, and get really tired of hearing people talk as if they are in the business.

[Hawd]

what would you recommend for a headlight lighting upgrade? are higher wattage bulbs fine?

[old_s13]

feel free to read away: http://clearcorners.com/services/

[tougebear]

Originally posted by old_s13
here is the rule of thumb about "HID kits"

THEY ARE CRAP.

I would second that.

[TurDz]

Mike, You've got a slight attitude problem, so what if you have to deal with this shiet day in day out. Deal with it then.

I'm not acting at all like I'm "in the business." I was just stating what I've known from various readings. I wasn't trying to be all-knowing or anything. My bad if it came out that way. I understand your frustration with illegal lighting and retrofitted bulbs in incorrect housing. Hell even S2000 lights blind the sh*t out of me, I can imagine how bad it would be for housings not meant for HID. I've done a lot of visual analysis on our H1 housing, I can see what you're talking about. I know about the identical beam cutoff patterns and how it will not optimally spread the light to the important areas of the road.

I know you're just trying to help but just as you're tried of people acting like they know everything, people are tired of how you're acting too.

Gauging by your posts, I'd say you're a pretty frustrated guy right now and I'm betting I wouldn't have the balls to say what I did in your face. But hey, that's the advantage of writing and posting. At least I'm getting to say what I feel too. Not for myself, but for the better of this community.

It's cool that you have a business running and stuff, they look like high quality products. I've been referred to your site often (through searches) and just know I'm still saying all of this with all due respect.

-Chris

btw optionzero, we should try to get in on a deal for a set of hella projectors/bulbs/ballasts. I think I can find some within the same range of price as the hid kit you're interested in. Especially if we both buy in at the same time, I can get a good deal.

[CoasTek240]

Originally posted by TurDz
I'm betting I wouldn't have the balls to say what I did in your face. But hey, that's the advantage of writing and posting. At least I'm getting to say what I feel
hahaha, what a girl!

Hey turdz, you gotta man up if your gonna talk smack...
Especially to someone who know what they're talking bout, like mike.

[OptionZero]

old_s13 and turdz, thanks for the help, attitude or not in any case.
I'm taking this discussion off the boards before it gets nasty. Lock thread.

[old_s13]

ah christ, why is everyone so worried about getting feelings hurt.. i am not making any personal attacks, we're just talking.. it just seems that some people cant seem to dish it back when things get heated, thats all. if you're going to talk with facts, talk with facts. the things i say, i have BEEN saying for years now.. nothing has changed.. do some searching on fresh alloy, you'll see me harping about the SAME topics, making the SAME points.. and there ALWAYS seems to be someone who loves to chime in and start talking as if they know.

i am not getting personal, i dont care if you said it to my face or if you put it on a blimp like Tony Montana "the world is yours" -- it makes NO diff, I wouldnt take offense.. we are all entitled to have opinions. It cracks me up how everytime people disagree the weaksauce posters on this forum think its gonna get personal.. do you seriously think i am going to fight over something as stupid as automotive lighting? christ, we're just talking people.. calm down.

regardless of HOW I state my information, i speak my mind and i speak what i feel is truth. ask just about anyone on the lighting forums, I am sure they would agree with what i'm saying.. why? because i've known herman before the faq even existed, back when everyone started out on the philips forum. just like i've been a part of the 240sx community before there were any forums, back in 1995-1996 when the AMAROK mailing list first started.

So regardless if its KA vs SR.. or halogen vs HID, i will continue to hold my ground. and its nothing personal, take my word on it.

-m

[DuffMan]

I think we should all chip in and send mike to sensitivity training classes. :D

Seriously though, people on this board need to grow some thicker skin. It's just people killing time on the internet, no reason to get your feelings hurt.

[SimpleS14]

I don't think Mike is an ass, its all about how you read his post.

Retrofit is the best way to go....

[TurDz]

Alright that's cool, point taken. But just as you're being who you really are, so am I.

[zero.counter]

Look, your opinion is just that. This applies to everyone. If you want to blind someone, then do it and get a ticket. If you like the kit then like it. If you want to please this old_s13 guy, buy his shit. Otherwise, he will have problems with eveyone's suggestions concerning automotive lighting. Just ignore his advice since it always comes with a bit of crass.
Some people always seems to be trolling for self-gratification and their in-securities. I guess business is bad or no one in their right mind wants to pay out the ass for homemade crap, right??

Just ignore those who exhibit this type of behavior. It's a classic sign of social anxiety or better yet, Social Anxiety Disorder. Is someone skipping their meds???
:D

[old_s13]

If you want to please this old_s13 guy, buy his shit. Otherwise, he will have problems with eveyone's suggestions concerning automotive lighting. Just ignore his advice since it always comes with a bit of crass.

Hello, my name is Zero.Counter. I think that people on Zilvia.NET should be courteous to eachother, regardless of how ignorant and lazy they are. I dont understand why we have a SEARCH button, its not like topics like HID retrofits have not been discussed THOUSANDS of times over and over. Instead, I think ALL users.. both new and old, should ask the same questions over and over, and over and over. This way, we ALWAYS get the newest, most up-to-date information. In addition, everyone should be extremely gay and polite when they give advice.


Some people always seems to be trolling for self-gratification and their in-securities. I guess business is bad or no one in their right mind wants to pay out the ass for homemade crap, right?? Just ignore those who exhibit this type of behavior. It's a classic sign of social anxiety or better yet, Social Anxiety Disorder. Is someone skipping their meds???

Putting aside your lame psychoanalysis, what GOOD have you contributed to this thread? I am just curious, do you know anything about lighting or are you just posting to try to rekindle some shiet talking? hehe because I am for either one.

Zero Counter, do you think I post here to try to generate business? When I post, I am simply posting MY advice.. take it for what its worth. Just incase you didnt realize, I dont even sell any HID conversions for S14's. The HID conversion I sell for the S13 is ONLY sold and installed in-house, mainly because I want to ensure the conversion is done properly since the laws on selling HID are so strict.

I post on Zilvia and various other 240SX groups because I've been a part of the community since `95, back when there werent gay ass forums like this and bandwagoneering bastards who are clueless about the S-chassis. Dont make me rip you a new crASS, biyaaaatch! :)

[Grant]

and that's a wrap...

Do what you want guys, whether it pleases mike or not, dont matter, but we're stil entitled to his opinion..

but like he said, HID "kits" are waste of money. take it for what its worth, if you want to buy the kit, then go ahead..

but this topic's been brought up too many times, so a bit of searching on yahoo or on this forum should get you your answers.