So I just wrote into SCC...

[mike13]

SCC:

I am writing in regards to the “Ziel Motorsports S13” article in the December issue. In the third paragraph you claim that it is “the duty of any self-respecting 240sx owner” to swap in the SR20DET Silvia motor. In the September edition “4 Steps to Turbocharged Bliss” article, you weigh the turbo KA24DE against the aforementioned Japanese motor, and the only positive attribute of the latter is that it is the higher revving of the two. With close inspection of the dyno chart on page 68, we see that peak horsepower of the JIC car comes in at around 6500 RPM, a rev range available to the KA. In turbo form, the extra displacement given by the 2.4 liter would provide much more impressive HP/torque curves. This being the case, I believe it is only the duty of bandwagon riders and the misinformed to swap out the perfectly capable USDM motor for an over-hyped and over-revved aluminum power plant.
Excellent magazine by the way, the only one worth reading in this genre. The Project Silvia and 350z Articles are very informative and I appreciate the time and effort you put into informing your readers. Smaller pictures! More text!

Sincerely,
Mike Rosswog
Pittsburgh PA

[Pudula]

Okay.

[Kid Zelda]

SCC:

"Haters want to hate, lovers want to love, I dont even want none of the above, I want to piss on you, yes I do I piss on you, i pee on you ... drip drip drip"



Sincerely,
Dave Chappelle

[hadokenny]

hmmm...whats the point?

[hondaguy]

:D isnt that the song dave chappelle made fun of r kelly?thats so funny:D :D :D

[Kid Zelda]

hondaguy - Bingo

I'm sure you know the remix !
:p

[DoriftoSlut]

With close inspection of the dyno chart on page 68, we see that peak horsepower of the JIC car comes in at around 6500 RPM, a rev range available to the KA.
What the shit does that prove?

In turbo form, the extra displacement given by the 2.4 liter would provide much more impressive HP/torque curves.
Uh, ok. So you put a big turbo on the KA and because it makes more horsepower than a smaller on an SR you think its better? Torque curve? Ever ridden in a KA-T with a power band that feels like a a brick wall is slamming into you at 4000 rpm?

This being the case, I believe it is only the duty of bandwagon riders and the misinformed to swap out the perfectly capable USDM motor for an over-hyped and over-revved aluminum power plant.
Cute. But it makes no sense. Yeah there are mis informed and bandwagoneers, but you think thats only confined to SR's?

Clearly you are an angry KA owner who feels bad since the KA gets less love. Um well tough shit, some people enjoy smooth, high revving capable of 700hp+ (not that any of us will be included in this) aluminum engines.



:confused: whats the pont of this thread:confused:

[DoriftoSlut]

Originally posted by Kid Zelda
hondaguy - Bingo

I'm sure you know the remix !
:p
This is the remix edition of the song about pissin'...

[andrave]

shut up you bastard! :axe:
if you stay quiet, people will keep spending 3000 dollars on japanese motors and selling their stock KA's to people like me for 50 bucks or less (got one for FREE!)


:boink:

[Bill Roberts]

I feel both engines have their positive points. I feel the SR is a great engine in its own right and very well proven in many situations and has a super support mechanisim and is fairly economical to obtain, install and use...on the other hand, I also feel to get the same "type" performace with a KA, a rebuild first is of order..then the turbo enhancement. Based on all the imformation I have gathered, to make a KA engine a formidable engine in the power ranks AND FRESHNESS of a typical SR, one will need to spend more money.

SR Clip: You get it all. Intercooler, pipes, well all of what you need..ready to turn over, troubleshoot the minor bugs and have a car that hauls ass. They usually have far less miles than their KA counterparts. Far more information available overall out there on the SR and Mods.

KA: You will need to freshen the motor (rebuild the bottom end, some headwork etc), buy the intercooler, piping, turbo, upgrade the ecu...well their is a lot that needs to be done to make the engine formidable. It will cost more in the long run.

If you are looking at value, I feel the SR is the better deal...overall.

Again, both engines can be great..it takes more sweat and pocket equity to get the KA up to speed...but certainly has been and will be done.

Also remember, their are many shops that are making their livelyhood off of the SR swap. You could assume the magizine may be looking out for the intrests of said shops...and all the aftermarket support for the SR.

I run a KA/NA. It cost even MORE money to make that engine formidable...a poor value indeed compared to the SR swap. YMMV of course.

Edit..Andrave.. Right on...heheh

[bing]

i've driven a very well set up 13.3 sec s13 w/ SR... found it to be way less-streetable and not nearly as smooth or easy to drive as my lightly modded KA.

just throwing it out there... but luv 'em both, except in the hands of a talker

[bing]

Originally posted by Bill Roberts
if you are looking at value, I feel the SR is the better deal...overall.



value in terms of building a fast turbo-charged car yes, no question...

but when the starter goes, the alternator... or if you cant fix it yourself and cant get the part at the dealer.... there goes every bit of value and all the convenience...

a built SR is better as a second car.. in canada at least...

[RanciD]

Originally posted by bing
i've driven a very well set up 13.3 sec s13 w/ SR... found it to be way less-streetable and not nearly as smooth or easy to drive as my lightly modded KA.

just throwing it out there... but luv 'em both, except in the hands of a talker

What do you expect? His car runs about 4 seconds faster than yours. :)

[hadokenny]

Originally posted by RanciD
What do you expect? His car runs about 4 seconds faster than yours. :)

hahahaha :D

[weirdstyles.net]

http://www.loctite.com/int_henkel/loctite/binarydata/en/images/splash_loctite_logo.jpg

[weirdstyles.net]

Originally posted by andrave
shut up you bastard! :axe:
if you stay quiet, people will keep spending 3000 dollars on japanese motors and selling their stock KA's to people like me for 50 bucks or less (got one for FREE!)


:boink:

YES!!!!


p.s. love your avatar

[old_s13]

Mike13> I believe it is only the duty of bandwagon riders and the misinformed to swap out the perfectly capable USDM motor for an over-hyped and over-revved aluminum power plant.

Dude, you DO understand that you are writing to a magazine company that features BOMEXICO-ridden body-kitted-out cars with SR's as STANDARD (doesnt matter if they are turbo or not). Second, the people who work for SC had NO problem talking smack about the 240SX years ago describing its handling capablities as "unstable and quirky" and then saying that the motor was simply a TRUCK MOTOR.

Pickup a magazine like evo or car if you want to learn, pickup a copy of Super Sport Compact Import Car Tuner if you want to wipe your ass after taking a fat shieeeeet.


dorifto> Uh, ok. So you put a big turbo on the KA and because it makes more horsepower than a smaller on an SR you think its better? Torque curve? Ever ridden in a KA-T with a power band that feels like a a brick wall is slamming into you at 4000 rpm?

Oh come on now, what are you scared of.. TORQUE? Jesus, ever driven in a Corvette, M5, Supra, or any other sportscar with some displacement..? Its not like the KA is not capable of running SMALLER sized turbos, turbo size is up to the person modding the vehicle -- you can have a smoother turbo powerband OR you can throw on a big turbo which will SLAM you into submission as soon as it spools up (whenever that is). Both motors are completely capable.. case closed.

-m

[weirdstyles.net]

Originally posted by old_s13
Mike13> I believe it is only the duty of bandwagon riders and the misinformed to swap out the perfectly capable USDM motor for an over-hyped and over-revved aluminum power plant.

Dude, you DO understand that you are writing to a magazine company that features BOMEXICO-ridden body-kitted-out cars with SR's as STANDARD (doesnt matter if they are turbo or not). Second, the people who work for SC had NO problem talking smack about the 240SX years ago describing its handling capablities as "unstable and quirky" and then saying that the motor was simply a TRUCK MOTOR.

Pickup a magazine like evo or car if you want to learn, pickup a copy of Super Sport Compact Import Car Tuner if you want to wipe your ass after taking a fat shieeeeet.


dorifto> Uh, ok. So you put a big turbo on the KA and because it makes more horsepower than a smaller on an SR you think its better? Torque curve? Ever ridden in a KA-T with a power band that feels like a a brick wall is slamming into you at 4000 rpm?

Oh come on now, what are you scared of.. TORQUE? Jesus, ever driven in a Corvette, M5, Supra, or any other sportscar with some displacement..? Its not like the KA is not capable of running SMALLER sized turbos, turbo size is up to the person modding the vehicle -- you can have a smoother turbo powerband OR you can throw on a big turbo which will SLAM you into submission as soon as it spools up (whenever that is). Both motors are completely capable.. case closed.

-m


exactly, some people dont listen when you tell them to read MAximum Boost, just ask West, he's all over that book. Im takin it a bit slower cause im reading like four web developemtn books at a time...

[The ROMAN]

I think it come down to withever is more feasable. If there are three SR shops in the Tri-state area and one turbo KA shop 500 miles from my house, which am I going to go with?

[russian]

more stupid shit brought up by stupid fucking threads.


you do whatcha gotta do!
a) you think SR is better than KA - great, shut the fuck up.
b) you think KA is better than SR - great, shut the fuck up.

both have good things about them. lets all put in 300053435 more posts into this thread and alike talking about things most of us dont have like sr's or ka'ts, eitherway you spendin major dough. im not pissing on your dream, buttttt lets get real and do what you want with your car.... thus:

repeat after me:

I dont give a fuck
I dont give a fuck :boink: :boink: :boink: :boink:


either way SCC is ricer mag, why bother explaining things to a WALL?

[Brian]

i dont give a fuck!!!:boink: :boink: :boink:

[russian]

:Owned: :rawk:

[Maeda]

Originally posted by Dorifto180sx
Ever ridden in a KA-T with a power band that feels like a a brick wall is slamming into you at 4000 rpm?

As much as I LOVE the KAT... I have to agree with Dorifto...

But for me its 2700 rpm =p...(God bless the diesel turbo!)

A smooth and powerful power band costs $$$(and by that I mean more then just a swap or turbo)... Doesn't matter which motor you have...

Just a forewarning to you folks that go KA-T... The power is nice, and really torquey... You can also get the boost to come on smooth with nice peddle work... Don't stab the peddle and you won't peel your tires...

[mike13]

Originally posted by Dorifto180sx
What the shit does that prove?

if you read the letter you would see that it proves that even though the SR can rev higher than the KA, it isnt making power in the higher range. Peak power is in the same spot it would be with a turbo KA.

Uh, ok. So you put a big turbo on the KA and because it makes more horsepower than a smaller on an SR you think its better? Torque curve? Ever ridden in a KA-T with a power band that feels like a a brick wall is slamming into you at 4000 rpm?

No i havent, but I'd imagine accellerating so hard it feels like slamming through a brick wall would be pretty awesome and scary!

Cute. But it makes no sense. Yeah there are mis informed and bandwagoneers, but you think thats only confined to SR's?

No but i think that SCC needs to realize their responsibility in putting their opnion out and stating it as fact. when kids read that, they think its the truth. And it does make sense. Reading comprehension?

Clearly you are an angry KA owner who feels bad since the KA gets less love. Um well tough shit, some people enjoy smooth, high revving capable of 700hp+ (not that any of us will be included in this) aluminum engines.

Angry? where? i wrote a letter to a magazine. And i like things that get less love. As stated before, while you are spending 5,000$ to get a stock japanese engine to run in your car, I'll be buying a KA for $50. then i'll be rebuilding it, turboing and tuning it for the same $5000 you spent.


:confused: whats the pont of this thread:confused:
The point is, i wrote into SCC... you dont like it? get out.

[Kid Zelda]

The point is, i wiped my ass with SCC... you dont like it? get out

[mike13]

Originally posted by russian
more stupid shit brought up by stupid fucking threads.


you do whatcha gotta do!
a) you think SR is better than KA - great, shut the fuck up.
b) you think KA is better than SR - great, shut the fuck up.

both have good things about them. lets all put in 300053435 more posts into this thread and alike talking about things most of us dont have like sr's or ka'ts, eitherway you spendin major dough. im not pissing on your dream, buttttt lets get real and do what you want with your car.... thus:

repeat after me:

I dont give a fuck
I dont give a fuck :boink: :boink: :boink: :boink:


either way SCC is ricer mag, why bother explaining things to a WALL?

what i posted is not what i believe to be the answer to the KA vs. SR battle. Its simply a statement made by a reader that disagrees with the standpoint of the writer. I posted it here expecting that you all would be interested in it. so yeah, i dont give a fuck really. This post wasnt meant to start a flame war. I think the SR20 is an excellent engine. Do i think it is THE DUTY OF ALL 240SX OWNERS TO SWAP OUT THE MOTOR? absolutely not. the SCC staff does.

[mike13]

Originally posted by Kid Zelda
The point is, i wiped my ass with SCC... you dont like it? get out
thats fine, i think its a good magazine, worlds beyond Import Tuner. What do you suggest as good reading material? I'm here to discuss and learn, not flame people. I along with all editors and contributors to the SCC mag understand comprimises made in pop culture media. If it was tech talk all the way through, kids wouldnt buy it. No sales= no more mag. The people in charge are way smarter than you, and the fact that you "wipe your ass" doesnt matter to anyone. You already paid their salary by buying it. They got their tech article and the kids got pictures of cool cars. everyone is happy but you.

[Kid Zelda]

Who said I bought it, I nicked it !

Nothing personal against you and I'm glad you're here to discuss and learn, but sometimes think before you post.


oh, you dont like sand, it taste like dirt

[ca18guy]

This thread is like a sr vs ka, this mag sucks rant all rolled up into one thread and hidden under a odd title :squint: