Just like an FD3S Mazda RX7

[PshNHrd]

Hey everyone, what is up? I am a big fan of the S13 fastback model and I absolutely love everything about an RX7 FD. I have driven two stock 95 RX7s in my lifetime. I have owned two stock S13 in my lifetime as well. As much as I would love to purchase a 93-95 RX7 I just can't afford it. Even though people like to overprice S13 it is still cheaper than a 93-95 RX7. Now I would love to have another S13 to make it perform close if not better than an FD3S and make it look good like an FD3S.

I would like your opinion on what are the best parts to purchase for an S13 to make it perform like an RX7? Im talking parts from head to toe. Now when all the money has been spent for parts and labor to make it the same tier as an rx7 is it really worth the money or is it just better to buy an rx7?

[lflkajfj12123]

buy the rx7

[thefro526]

buy the rx7

What Soap said.

By the time you've reached Rx-7 Level performance and appearance, you'll probably have spent enough to buy the Rx-7.

[Toi]

What do you mean, when your talking head to toe the only difference there will be are

A. Quality of parts used
B. Amount of horsepower
C. THE DRIVER

If a car has had a complete work over its not going to be on the same level it will be light years ahead of a stock car, and if its mod for mod they will still be pretty much even except for point C made above....

[camaro379ss]

What Soap said.

By the time you've reached Rx-7 Level performance and appearance, you'll probably have spent enough to buy the Rx-7.

The FD is hella fun to drive but rotarys are very unreliable. My rx7 broke down twice as much as either sr I have had so far. Even with fresh apex seals you need to replace them again becuase they eat them up like a fat kid with candy. After I had a brand new rotary from mazda which was then street ported with only 10k the apex seals were leaking again.

If you can tough it through that then that fun to drive factor is just over the top let alone the rarity (at least in my area). If I had the money to keep another rx7 afloat I would in a heartbeat.


If a car has had a complete work over its not going to be on the same level it will be light years ahead of a stock car, and if its mod for mod they will still be pretty much even except for point C made above....

Yes but the problem is once you get to the heavier modified stage it then again becomes just as unreliable as an rx7. And for someone who sounds on a budget the amount to put in to equal an fd would near near the cost of getting one as previously stated. Granted at that amount the 240 would have more power, but still...

[EhrikETFG]

i dont even..

[Toi]

Yes but the problem is once you get to the heavier modified stage it then again becomes just as unreliable as an rx7. And for someone who sounds on a budget the amount to put in to equal an fd would near near the cost of getting one as previously stated. Granted at that amount the 240 would have more power, but still...


Yea this is true, I just failed to truely understand his question. I mean what a set of decent coilovers will make it handle better, then comes the power mods...and with the current drift tax the prices can get pretty bad!!!

[camaro379ss]

lol. yea but lets say he buys a sr swapped 240 for around $5k. A god coilover setup around the $1k mark, decent tires $800 maybe, plus any other suspension arms....$600 maybe. A built head and t28 for more power $2k plus something to run it $700 or so (just throwing some prices out not exact). Already thats around the $10k mark which is right about the range to start picking up fd's. I know in my area they range from $10k-$20k depending on mods. There was a street ported fd in chicago for sale for under $10k with 80k on it if I remember correctly.

[PshNHrd]

What do you mean, when your talking head to toe the only difference there will be are

A. Quality of parts used
B. Amount of horsepower
C. THE DRIVER

If a car has had a complete work over its not going to be on the same level it will be light years ahead of a stock car, and if its mod for mod they will still be pretty much even except for point C made above....

What I meant by that was parts such as suspension, brakes, rebuilt sr20det or ka24det, a kit to make the car look just as sexy as an rx7, around 255 hp etc.

[camaro379ss]

yes and you also have to remember a stock fd only has that 250-270hp range stock as well. But then the next thing is whats the point of having a stock fd...when there are things like triple rotors and they make fun cars to slide around in.

[Toi]

yes and you also have to remember a stock fd only has that 250-270hp range stock as well. But then the next thing is whats the point of having a stock fd...when there are things like triple rotors and they make fun cars to slide around in.

Man don't bring up Triples, my wifes Uncle in Namioka DDs a bone stock Cosmo 20b.......

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

The FD is hella fun to drive but rotarys are very unreliable. My rx7 broke down twice as much as either sr I have had so far. Even with fresh apex seals you need to replace them again becuase they eat them up like a fat kid with candy. After I had a brand new rotary from mazda which was then street ported with only 10k the apex seals were leaking again.

Apex seals were leaking huh? What were they leaking If you don't mind me asking? And wow If your brand new engine was fucked up at only 10k miles then you just dont know how to take care of them. My blown ass oil seal 13b has been running on blown oil seals for like 5 months now and I beat on It daily, It still goes to the track, still sees 9k rpm every day. and Its my daily driver! car has 190k miles. Just a little smoke when cold, once its warm Its fine.

[Toi]

I have seen em in bone stock fashion run fine....Once modded (like everything) thats a different story

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

I have seen em in bone stock fashion run fine....Once modded (like everything) thats a different story

One of my other turbo2 boosting 15psi,3 inch dp,exhaust,fmic,. with 100k+ miles ran forever. ran till the point I sold it, Ran fine! never over heat,didnt burn more oil than Its suppose to. Took out any sr It encountered,. They will run right as long as you take care of them!

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

Most people arent gonna be telling your correct Information from exp, they are telling you things from stuff they heard. I've owned 5 rx7s already and not one single one has ever givin any kind of over heating or any of that. I blew 1 turbo engine because of my own fucked up wiring with the tps and maf. My rx7s have taken everything I've ever thrown at them and I throw HARD!

[camaro379ss]

[QUOTE=camaro379ss;4049222]The FD is hella fun to drive but rotarys are very unreliable. My rx7 broke down twice as much as either sr I have had so far. Even with fresh apex seals you need to replace them again becuase they eat them up like a fat kid with candy. After I had a brand new rotary from mazda which was then street ported with only 10k the apex seals were leaking again.

Apex seals were leaking huh? What were they leaking If you don't mind me asking? And wow If your brand new engine was fucked up at only 10k miles then you just dont know how to take care of them. My blown ass oil seal 13b has been running on blown oil seals for like 5 months now and I beat on It daily, It still goes to the track, still sees 9k rpm every day. and Its my daily driver! car has 190k miles. Just a little smoke when cold, once its warm Its fine.

My fun cars I dont drive much to keep mileage down and when they sit and only get used once week at most it tends to happen. Mind you I left out that in those 10k miles it was out of warranty because how rarely I used it.

Daily driving is a different story. Yes they can last a while if not abused. My best friend is a rotary nut loves 13b's but he struggles to keep them going. Some of the rx7 club events I have been to I have heard things like you said where they drive on them and beat on them and still last. I have not had that experience with rotary engines nor has my buddy. When its all said and done its just a crap shoot of what you get.

And to the statement I dont know how to take care of them....Mind your own business you dont know me. I am an ase certified mechanic with almost master certs but now in the army so I am gone for long periods of time.

And if YOU know anything about cars then you would know that cars that sit for periods of time develop leaks ALWAYS.

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

What were your Apex seals leaking though? Im Interested

[camaro379ss]

Most people arent gonna be telling your correct Information from exp, they are telling you things from stuff they heard. I've owned 5 rx7s already and not one single one has ever givin any kind of over heating or any of that. I blew 1 turbo engine because of my own fucked up wiring with the tps and maf. My rx7s have taken everything I've ever thrown at them and I throw HARD!

None of this is things I have heard so if you are gonna assume things about me then I will just assume you are ignorant. I never said dont get one in fact I said to get one. They are extremely fun cars no balls in low end all high rpm power.

[Toi]

Most people arent gonna be telling your correct Information from exp, they are telling you things from stuff they heard. I've owned 5 rx7s already and not one single one has ever givin any kind of over heating or any of that. I blew 1 turbo engine because of my own fucked up wiring with the tps and maf. My rx7s have taken everything I've ever thrown at them and I throw HARD!

Don't think I am bagging on rotaries man but your a gear head you know every damn motor on the planet has its issues.

And I promise you for every 1 person that knows how to maintain, care for, and properly upkeep them, there are thousands that don't.

And the thousands voice happen to be stronger than 1.....Hell I have a buddy right now with a full bridge port beast sitting in his garage rotting because he totaled his FD....Motor ran like a champ but FD body < Guard rail....

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

None of this is things I have heard so if you are gonna assume things about me then I will just assume you are ignorant. I never said dont get one in fact I said to get one. They are extremely fun cars no balls in low end all high rpm power.

But what were your Apex seals leaking?

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

Don't think I am bagging on rotaries man but your a gear head you know every damn motor on the planet has its issues.

And I promise you for every 1 person that knows how to maintain, care for, and properly upkeep them, there are thousands that don't.

And the thousands voice happen to be stronger than 1.....Hell I have a buddy right now with a full bridge port beast sitting in his garage rotting because he totaled his FD....Motor ran like a champ but FD body < Guard rail....

thats not cool gaurd rails arent fun! I hit a gaurd rail and came out pretty good just the front fender and rear quater panel. still drove it home! ahaha. Yea I've met alot of people who didnt know how to take care of their cars

[wh0aitznic0]

lol. yea but lets say he buys a sr swapped 240 for around $5k. A god coilover setup around the $1k mark, decent tires $800 maybe, plus any other suspension arms....$600 maybe. A built head and t28 for more power $2k plus something to run it $700 or so (just throwing some prices out not exact). Already thats around the $10k mark which is right about the range to start picking up fd's. I know in my area they range from $10k-$20k depending on mods. There was a street ported fd in chicago for sale for under $10k with 80k on it if I remember correctly.

Lol at "god" coilover setup for $1k.

[Toi]

Lol at "god" coilover setup for $1k.

Sorry but yea it is funny if there is a "god" coilover and it is GOD on the track for that price count me in!!!

[camaro379ss]

But what were your Apex seals leaking?

Apex seal went bad causing bad compression "A leak" from detonation. Bad compression=insufficient sealing to hold compression. It was broken.


EDIT: I know I suck at typing nothing new to me.

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

Apex seal went bad causing bad compression "A leak" from detonation.

Somebody took a long time to google that!

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

Apex seal went bad causing bad compression "A leak" from detonation. Bad compression=insufficient sealing to hold compression. It was broken.

Yes I know what an Apex seal does and how they work, Clearly you didnt and had to google It.

[camaro379ss]

ok buddy whatever you say. Just listen to this guy^^^clearly he is god.

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

You have never owned a fd In your life, stop lying to your self

[camaro379ss]

Sorry but yea it is funny if there is a "god" coilover and it is GOD on the track for that price count me in!!!

Ok have fun with whatever you choose. Believe what you want. If you think I am lying theres nothing I can do to change that. I am here just to help. If you want a pic of my ase card that I can give you. 2 more certs passed and a recert with a new card on the way. Otherwise just experiences take it or leave it. Drive around on blown oil seal and you are telling me I dont know how to take care of cars....ok sure. I would expect nothing less.


http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l24/camaro379ss/ase2.jpg
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l24/camaro379ss/ase.jpg

Try and google that.....bet you wont find it.

I never said I owned an fd learn to read better and stop assuming. I have owned 2 fc's with 13b's one as a track car. I have just had the chance to drive my firends fd and see his struggles with it. I never once said I owned a single fd I jsut never specified. Mine is general knowledge of fc's and fd's.

Like I said before good luck with your choice.

[titangts]

buy a swapped s13, good coils, and amazing tires, redo all the suspension. then alignment.

or... do what i did ;)



http://i54.tinypic.com/68y5jr.jpg

[camaro379ss]

That looks good. There was a swapped fd in the st louis area that I saw once that was also up for sale a month or so ago that was 2jz swapped. It was a beautiful car.

[PshNHrd]

If I happen to purchased in the future it would have to be completely stock. I might just keep it stock. I want it to be as reliable as possible. The only issue with buying an S13 and droppings $8k- $10k is if it gets stolen or totaled then I wont get back as much as I put in to it from insurance.

[camaro379ss]

Thats definitely something to keep in mind for sure. Your best bet there would be to buy it back and try and salavge as much as you can from it then.

[PshNHrd]

buy a swapped s13, good coils, and amazing tires, redo all the suspension. then alignment.

or... do what i did ;)



http://i54.tinypic.com/68y5jr.jpg

What you did is Tier 1 status. That is badass my friend. Unfortunately I can't afford to do such an expensive swap :(

[ixfxi]

why anyone would install that fucking front-heavy toyota motor in that piece of shit mazda is beyond me.

[Corbic]

With gas at $4 a gallon, it's something to consider.

My FC rarely saw over 17mpg, so changing over to 24mpg in my SR S13 is WOW.

You can't "save up" to buy an FD, you either can afford it, or you can't. It like a Ferrari in that sense.

If it's your only car you need to realize that you'll pay twice as much for gas, 3x as much for insurance and parts like door handles, dashes and trim are just about nonexistent and if you do fine them, your throwing down Bennies, not lunch money.

There are only like 13,000 FDs out there and if it was a piston car, I'm sure you'd see pricing in line with Supra MK4s. The high cost of Rotary ownership drives prices down.

A few years with an FD and you'll be saying "I could have bought a Supra or NSX".

A modified S13/4 vs a Stock FD is a stupid comparison. Some people enjoy modifying a car, and a 20 year old FD is going to need THOUSANDS in maintenance to get you a car running like any quality 7k S-chasis.

[Corbic]

why anyone would install that fucking front-heavy toyota motor in that piece of shit mazda is beyond me.

I like the FD, but I agree. JZ is a stupid engine choice. If you want piston, try a turbo F20C, SR or 4G63.

[camaro379ss]

I wouldnt buy it myself but its something thats just cool to see done once. I am too much of a rotary fan to do that. I have seen an sr on the rx7 forums and it looks good. But like I said earlier if you are gonna do a swap triple rotor is the way to go with an fd.

[!Zar!]

Blah blah blah
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5305/5616321525_a03b96cecb_o.jpg

[ILoveMyRHS13]

^ Do what he did. Replace the worst part about the FD.

[lflkajfj12123]

see my first post

[OBEEWON]

FD one of the best chassis' ever.

[XxHybridx]

is there any way to make FDs reliable?

or is just the same as ANY car...just take care of it.
is rotary really THAT bad? people make it seem like having one for a daily is a bad idea.

[camaro379ss]

It makes a great daily driver as long as you dont beat on it everyday just like any other car. Every car has its weakest points.

[Corbic]

is there any way to make FDs reliable?

or is just the same as ANY car...just take care of it.
is rotary really THAT bad? people make it seem like having one for a daily is a bad idea.

There is a healthy list of reliability mods.

Replace water pump and all coolant and rubber hosing. Upgrade radiator. Upgrade FMIC.
Replace entire exhaust (cat delete)
It's STRONGLY advisable to now get a tune and ensure a proper (ie rich) air/fuel mix.
Fuel pump.

I've heard of people running into lean
issues with BPU. You can't treat these engines like SRs or 4Gs.

[Corbic]

It makes a great daily driver as long as you dont beat on it everyday just like any other car. Every car has its weakest points.

Define "good daily". They are cramped, fuel chugging and harsh ridding. Also "beat on"? You need to get on it frequently to prevent carbon build up.

[SlideOrDie831]

is there any way to make FDs reliable?

or is just the same as ANY car...just take care of it.
is rotary really THAT bad? people make it seem like having one for a daily is a bad idea.

ditch the factory radiator and intercooler.

13B's require a little bit more love and when they are "properly" maintained it won't let you down.

i honestly think 13B,and 13BT is better then the 13BT-REW.

[camaro379ss]

Define "good daily". They are cramped, fuel chugging and harsh ridding. Also "beat on"? You need to get on it frequently to prevent carbon build up.

Every sports car is cramped big deal. Every sports car is fuel chugging. Every sports car is harsh riding. THATS what makes sports cars sports cars.

Ok 7,8,9k etc rpm shifts.....not necessary for daily driving.

Quick start/shut offs prevent them from flooding yes. And normal driving will prevent carbon build up.

[MidwestMyriad]

buy the rx7

Then pull the engine, buy some parts, then realize you have no clue about rotaries and sell the lot for a loss of profits.

[dudermagee]

Surprised that no one pointed out that the rotary motor puts out as much torque as a Honda motor.

[camaro379ss]

Rotary motors are higher reving hp motors not torque.

The tt version still put out around 200ft lbs I believe which isnt too bad for the 250ish hp mark of a rotary.

[dudermagee]

Rotary motors are high reving hp motors not torque.

Just like a honda motor

[camaro379ss]

true but at least this is rwd and handles much better.

[namawon]

Just buy a 2nd gen. Yah, rotarys are reliable, if you dont drive like a idiot and have a proper tune.

[dudermagee]

true but at least this is rwd and handles much better.

off topic, but I'd rather have an s2k

[MaxGTST]

Rotary needs water/meth injection to be reliable..

Best way to make any car like an FD is to do like me..

Take your old car
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/40950_10150231554785581_695090580_14124218_6972200 _n.jpg

Sell it and then buy this
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/189989_10150419654355581_695090580_17554842_680783 0_n.jpg

It's the easiest way, trust me.. then cry cause you bought a bridgeported, T78 powered rotary

[titangts]

What you did is Tier 1 status. That is badass my friend. Unfortunately I can't afford to do such an expensive swap :(

yes, i have invested a ton of money to do this swap. I will say this, its true when they say, add up what you think it will cost to do what you want to, and double it. in my case, triple it! It costs to be a boss.

why anyone would install that fucking front-heavy toyota motor in that piece of shit mazda is beyond me.

LOL. yeah, why would anyone want to install one of the best designed motors ever, in one of the best chassis completely perplexes me too!:cool:

[camaro379ss]

off topic, but I'd rather have an s2k

Oh yea totally forgot about that lol...I was thinking si's and crap like that.

[SlideOrDie831]

F20C and F22C aren't known for torque neither.

[MaxGTST]

Torque is not that badd on a modded rotary
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2400/5712042362_4a87b6600d_z.jpg

[simmode1]

off topic, but I'd rather have an s2k
Ditto. Hell, I'd take an S2k over the S-chassis too. The FD's chassis is brilliant. But the AP1/AP2 chassis is just as brilliant and comes paired with a good motor from the factory. No torque down low? I'm ok with that. I'll either get used to it or get a supercharger.

[SlideOrDie831]

never driven an FD but i do know that AP's handle very well.

grip monster.....

[lflkajfj12123]

Then pull the engine, buy some parts, then realize you have no clue about rotaries and sell the lot for a loss of profits.

I will kill you

[KiLLeR2001]

torque > hp

[Corbic]

torque > hp

So your vote is for the Z?

[Corbic]

Every sports car is cramped big deal. Every sports car is fuel chugging. Every sports car is harsh riding. THATS what makes sports cars sports cars.

Ok 7,8,9k etc rpm shifts.....not necessary for daily driving.

Quick start/shut offs prevent them from flooding yes. And normal driving will prevent carbon build up.

I'm pretty sure 2 Seat, 2 Door, FR is what makes something a sports car.

The FD will get exceptionally poor fuel economy, even when compared to 300ZX TT, Supra TT, 350Z, Corvettes, S2000s, Z3/4. We are talking 14-15mpg, not ~20mpg (which is poor by today's standards, even for sports cars). Lots of people also pre-mix to help with issues, and I'm not sure what you mean by "quick start/shut offs" as my understanding, and from experience in my FC is that when you just "kill it" that's what leads to flooding as the excess pressure in the fuel lines over fills it.

Normally a pump toggle switch is used and you just flip it and let it burn out the last bit of gas in the lines or crank it a few times to before giving it pressure again.

[Corbic]

LOL. yeah, why would anyone want to install one of the best designed motors ever, in one of the best chassis completely perplexes me too!:cool:

The FD chassis is actually not much better than he FC. What makes its so light and nimble is the fact that (At the time) the Rotary was extremely light and compact. It places the entire engine behind the front wheels making the car actually "mid engine".

Porsche 944s are built in a similar fashion with a major focus on weight balance. However Mazda used the Rotary with a traditional transmission, putting all the weight in the center. Porsche used a Piston engine with a Audi style transaxle in the rear (like a Corvette) to balance the weight at the ends.

Putting that dinosaur lead weight JZ really defeats the purpose of the FD.

[simmode1]

Putting that dinosaur lead weight JZ really defeats the purpose of the FD.
Yeah, but for some reason, this gets me all tight in the pants...
http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/1678/2389/29193694049_large.jpg
http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/1678/2389/29193694035_large.jpg
Handling balance thrown off? For sure. Highway monster? I'd say probably yes. What does this have to do with anything? Not a damn thing.

[FaLKoN240]

Guys, how do I make an orange taste like an apple?

[lilredrex]

imma post on the original topic.......The FD rx7 has arguably(of course) the best handling of any late model import. Rotary motors when tuned well are great ( I abused the crap out of mine and it rewarded me with great angle drifts)
the S13 and S14 are the standard in the drifting world.....long wheel base easy to drift or even grip drive. I think the FD and S14 are smooth and sexy, or if your into the 80s look like I am the FC and S13 are both sharp looking cars with huge potential. bottom line it depends on what you want to do with the car and what your budget looks like. I eat top ramen so i can purchase turbo parts :)

[FDmuri]

Honestly, i feel that the FD is just as reliable as any other sports car out there. Ive owned 1 FC and 2 FD's . my first FD the only real problem i had that nobody else had was i snapped my doorhandles, i bought new aluminum ones and it was fine. other than that, i blew my Stock rear turbo, my fuelpump,and my headlight wiring was old so that fucked up(but what do u expect from a 15yr old car) Things will break. I've seen people upgrade to "skyline GTR" fuel pumps and they still give out. I drove it in the snow, i drove it to and from work (everyday), and went to drift events anytime i had tires i could burn and nothing ever happened with the engine. i know quite a few people around me that had Sr20's that had more problems than i did. My current FD hasn't had one single problem that my last did welll i take that back. my driver side switch panel cracked then broke (again) whatever it still works. if you take care of it it will keep going just like any other sports car. Take the time to love the car a bit and you will love it everyday..except when u cant find a 10mm socket.
just my $0.02.

[azsr20det]

i like the fd
i wouldnt like the rotary though

[zenki14]

13b swap coils and call it a day lol

[PshNHrd]

I have never driven an FC but when I was looking for one whoever werr selling them are all non turbos.

[!Zar!]

A FD is actually a MR car.

Carry on my good chaps.

[Likethunda]

Apex seals were leaking huh? What were they leaking If you don't mind me asking?

LMAO

i was kinda iffy about that comment as well.. Worn Apex seals = Low/bad compression....

I personally own an Rx8 and know lots of People with FC rx7's and FD rx7's

the 13BRew FD engine isnt the MOSt reliable... because i know people rebuild their engines around 60-80k.... but thats most likely due to the fact that they BEAT THE SHIT outa the ENgine... its a SPorts car.. what do you expect????? especially when rotaries gota be redLined every now and then to clean up that Carbon... know what i mean? probably not.

Mine is 77k miles Strong on First Engine... Just treat it right and check the oil level and it should be FIne

Your Apex wont be "Leaking" hahahaha.....

[WanganNastyMachine]

A FD is actually a MR car.

Carry on my good chaps.

I hope you aren't being serious, because honestly the engine may be behind the front axel, but as an owner of both an SW20 MR2 and and an FD3S RX7...there is a HUGE difference.

[PshNHrd]

FC turbo II cars are over priced IMO.

[word sux]

99% of people don't know how to care for a rotary

90% of people know nothing about a rotary yet continue to spout off how unreliable they are because they read something that some guy said so therefore it must be true

[WanganNastyMachine]

99% of people don't know how to care for a rotary

90% of people know nothing about a rotary yet continue to spout off how unreliable they are because they read something that some guy said so therefore it must be true

I own an FD3S an I think its unreliable as hell, but I do see many many FD owners who daily their cars with maintenance as long as its nothing more then lightly modified.

The RX7 and the 240sx are two totally different cars, They were an almost$20,000 difference in expense in the same year model. One was designed to be sporty (SPORT-TEE, meaning not a 'true sports car') and economic/shuffle secretaries back and forth to work in a attractive car and the other was for pure driving pleasure and in high end sports car quality while sacrificing the economic side of driving.

I dont consider the FD a 'true sports car' either, but I feel its a little more engineered and designed for pure driving.

[!Zar!]

I hope you aren't being serious, because honestly the engine may be behind the front axel, but as an owner of both an SW20 MR2 and and an FD3S RX7...there is a HUGE difference.

Cool story bro.

Apples to oranges.

[WanganNastyMachine]

Cool story bro.

Apples to oranges.

Exactly, so why do you bring it up :P

[97240TB]

To the OP... Just get a non-turbo FC. lol

Save yourself a little cash and put it into the car.

I don't know how anyone could compare a SW20 MR2 to a FD/FC basing the comparison on drivetrain layout even if both cars are "Mid-Engine."
As said... Apples to Oranges.

[!Zar!]

Exactly, so why do you bring it up :P

I shared an interesting tidbit of information.

You're the one that started talking about the peasant's Ferrari, not I.

[raz0rbladez909]

I shared an interesting tidbit of information.

You're the one that started talking about the peasant's Ferrari, not I.

ahahahahhaha:bowrofl:

[ILoveJDM]

yep.
500whp
going strong.

bottom line is, if you dont know how to take care of it, youre going to whine on the internet about how unreliable it is. example, i change my oil every 1500km's. the rotary is a very reliable motor, just check the 4 rotor winning lemans.

[GSXRJJordan]

I've owned them all. S13's, S14's, FD3S, Ka's, SR's, RB25, LSx.

If you can't afford an FD, you can't afford it. One of the best handling cars, same league as C5/C6 Corvettes (but 10%-15% lighter), only car that's better engineered from the factory is the NSX.

I solved all the reliability issues real easy, but it's not cheap.
http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pRceBK28HD0HVbarC6Bbl5pQHomIa-8OLXlXoJUaAL-jJ_Gsrxr_S0V7ctDMBbU1Z0bogFCYn4RrwW3zp0avGqg/_N0G5639.jpg

I say forget about FD's until you can afford to do one right, and be happy with a S-chassis that still looks like an S-chassis. Go SR, T28, and enjoy 250hp. It's a GREAT setup.

[WanganNastyMachine]

I shared an interesting tidbit of information.

You're the one that started talking about the peasant's Ferrari, not I.Your interesting tidbit of information is semi-correct. I just dont believe its a true Midship car, not by definition anyhow. Dont take any offense to it.

LOL! We call them that all of the time on the Owners Club. I love them though, neat little cars if you learn how to drive them right.

[SlideOrDie831]

13B has to be maintained from day 1. not run it hard then start to properly maintain it two years later. the key answer is "OIL" like any other engine. 13b's eat a quart of oil about every thousand miles.

don't change the oil after 3K miles....you figure it out.

[jspecusa]

Jeff is right, I own both s14 and FD.
save up for the FD, it's worth it.
it's like a European car, very expensive to keep,
not for someone who's poor and work for minimum wage.

[!Zar!]

Your interesting tidbit of information is semi-correct. I just dont believe its a true Midship car, not by definition anyhow. Dont take any offense to it.

LOL! We call them that all of the time on the Owners Club. I love them though, neat little cars if you learn how to drive them right.


Cool story about your your Fiero or whatever.

[WanganNastyMachine]

Cool story about your your Fiero or whatever.Haters gonna hate :D :gives:

[lflkajfj12123]

Jeff is right, I own both s14 and FD.
save up for the FD, it's worth it.
it's like a European car, very expensive to keep,
not for someone who's poor and work for minimum wage.

i want to be more like you

[Brian]

a challenger appears

[nathanong87]

haha never gets old.

[Pro ViZIon]

The FD is an fmr layout. Front midship.

[miggypq21]

Haters gonna hate :D :gives:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2058/5757783663_b2c9db9f6d.jpg


I couldn't find the other one

[bb4_96]

I figured this shit would have been closed 3 pages ago

[C-unit]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2058/5757783663_b2c9db9f6d.jpg


I couldn't find the other one


uploaded just for you!

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc239/GenerisLabo/tumblr_ljigw7jzto1qj0t15o1_500.jpg

[Ottoman]

an S13/14/15 can never be compared to an FD...

suspension geometry is in another league... Doube wish bone front AND rear... like a porsche GT1... fully floating rear end tons of alum. (compare your S13 hood to an FD's)

as for torque?
with my previous setup my FD was putting down 340whp/300rwtq on a stock motor with only boltons.. (turboback exh, intake, HKS twin power and an SMIC stock fuel injectors only a Denso TT pump) hell I even tuned it myself (powerFC)


as for reliability, its more SENSITIVE yes, the rotary hates overheating and detonation..


if an engine requires a rebuild (cuz it's tired), that's not caused by engine failure (i.e. detonation) then you can rebuild the thing for under $800 in your garage in a long weekend...

you can blow your motor, and still drive the car home on 1 rotor, due to it's modular nature, and re-use and salvage most of the motor and just replace the damaged parts...

in a piston engine u blow it, you're potentially, out a block a head piston etc etc... (not to mention stranded)

but I agree they are not a beginner friendly car, nor cheap...

but they are one of the sexiest and timeless cars to ever come out of japan...
most ppl don't believe it's a car pushing 20yrs in age now

[Corbic]

if an engine requires a rebuild (cuz it's tired), that's not caused by engine failure (i.e. detonation) then you can rebuild the thing for under $800 in your garage in a long weekend...

you can blow your motor, and still drive the car home on 1 rotor, due to it's modular nature, and re-use and salvage most of the motor and just replace the damaged parts...

in a piston engine u blow it, you're potentially, out a block a head piston etc etc... (not to mention stranded)


SHENANIGANS!!!

Master rebuild kit from Atkins is $1,200 for the 13BEW. I can build a forged internal engine on most cars for that.

The sequential turbo system is a vacuum nightmare and EXPENSIVE to replace unless you go single. I think a new unit is $3,000.

If I blow a head-gasket or piston ring I'm out 2-300 bucks, blow a apex seal and you potentially scared up the whole housing beyond rebuild and destroyed the rotor.

[Tantwoforty]

How did this failed abortion make it to 4 pages?

[Nicksx]

Man don't bring up Triples, my wifes Uncle in Namioka DDs a bone stock Cosmo 20b.......


:eek:

triples sound sexy :) even quad rotors sound sexy :) plus stock motors makin flames? duh everyone likes shooting flames >.<

[Corbic]

:eek:

triples sound sexy :) even quad rotors sound sexy :) plus stock motors makin flames? duh everyone likes shooting flames >.<

Any car can do that.

[Ottoman]

SHENANIGANS!!!

Master rebuild kit from Atkins is $1,200 for the 13BEW. I can build a forged internal engine on most cars for that.

The sequential turbo system is a vacuum nightmare and EXPENSIVE to replace unless you go single. I think a new unit is $3,000.

If I blow a head-gasket or piston ring I'm out 2-300 bucks, blow a apex seal and you potentially scared up the whole housing beyond rebuild and destroyed the rotor.

Master rebuild kit is overkill. Who needs to change their oil pump chain?
Many other parts are also reusable. I inspect my parts prior to ordering

I did the non sequential conversion on my turbos and pulled all emissions and the entire rat nest out. It took time and very little money.

Single Turbo of course has many other advantages.

[redline1320]

well what you do is. you buy a s13 and take out the pistons, valves, and rods. Completely gut it and throw it in and start her up. she'll be just like a RX7 then
otherwise I'd suggest gettin and FD....I mean come on man check the sig pic

[lflkajfj12123]

Fd #1 <3 < 3 < 3333333333333

[sidewayz or nowayz!!]

I've owned them all. S13's, S14's, FD3S, Ka's, SR's, RB25, LSx.

If you can't afford an FD, you can't afford it. One of the best handling cars, same league as C5/C6 Corvettes (but 10%-15% lighter), only car that's better engineered from the factory is the NSX.

I solved all the reliability issues real easy, but it's not cheap.
http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pRceBK28HD0HVbarC6Bbl5pQHomIa-8OLXlXoJUaAL-jJ_Gsrxr_S0V7ctDMBbU1Z0bogFCYn4RrwW3zp0avGqg/_N0G5639.jpg

I say forget about FD's until you can afford to do one right, and be happy with a S-chassis that still looks like an S-chassis. Go SR, T28, and enjoy 250hp. It's a GREAT setup.


im sure im going to be hated for this but u sir should be skinned alive and beheaded for the atrocity u have committed FUCK LSx SWAPS!!!

[WanganNastyMachine]

Wow this thread still exists?

And I wasnt aware that an SW20 was a shitty car, lol. I <3 Zilvias opinions ;)

[lflkajfj12123]

http://www.mr2club.gr/documents/94/htmlimport_Toyota_mr2_sw20_front_left_3.jpg

vs

http://carsinthefastlane.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/mazda-rx7_r_rear.jpg

? ? ??

[Corbic]

FD and 86 crushed all in Initial D!!!

[WanganNastyMachine]

LMFAO! A run down beat-up '91 MR2 compared to a factory pic photoshopped '99 RX7 RS (I think?).

Great comparison.

EDIT: Never was trying to compare an SW20 to an FD in terms of which one is a higher performing car. Hell, I owned an SW20 before my FD. I know better, obviously the latter of my 2 cars. I was just saying that an FD isnt really a MR car.

[!Zar!]

Engine is behind the front axle and in front of the rear axle.

Which means it is in the middle.

Resulting in the term Mid engine rear wheel drive. Or front mid engine. Either way,
http://books.gigaimg.com/avaxhome/avaxhome/2008-06-13/dontbesad.JPG.jpg

[chiboy002]

get glad!

msg

[redline1320]

http://www.mr2club.gr/documents/94/htmlimport_Toyota_mr2_sw20_front_left_3.jpg

vs

http://carsinthefastlane.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/mazda-rx7_r_rear.jpg

? ? ??

so are you going to japan for a 99 FD?
because they were only released in japan and anyone who would compare it to a mr2 :wtf:
should be beheaded midevil style. :dead: just out right dumb

[GSXRJJordan]

Redline, I'm gonna blow your mind real quick.

You ready?


...



You can convert your early FD tails to look JUST LIKE THAT for $10 or so in black paint and lens sealant.

The bumper/bumper support conversion is a little pricier if you care about the front.

[titangts]

^^^^ lol hes true. its cheap and easy. and you can do the front end for like $1200 (perfect parts).. get a 99 spec steering wheel for cheap. All black interior. and bam you are done.

im going to be honesty. this will sum it up fast. If you are broke, stick to a s13. Junkyards are everything, parts are cheap and easy to fix. Its a beginners type car. FD is only for someone with knowledge of that specific type of car.

MY 2jz fd is beyond this.. so is LSx... sorry guys, unless you have AT LEAST $10,000 you wont be able to swap a motor in FD rx7. That price doesn't include the price of the car as well.

real question is... What kind of money do you have?

[simmode1]

^^^Sounds like good advice. Ppl keep telling me to get a newer car, but nothing fits my ideals like the 240 does. So I think Imma keep on fucking with S-chassis & relatively simple mods until I can afford a base model C6 Corvette.

[BoostedFc]

Are you kidding me?

[simmode1]

Is who kidding you?

[GSXRJJordan]

C6's have dropped into the teens, and are fantastic cars. Cheaper than doing a nice FD, that's for sure.

[simmode1]

2005 C6's are still around $23k in my area, but yeah man, I'm so tired of the whole "buy a cheap car and build it to some other car's performance benchmark" thing. Just buy the damn car that's already at that performance benchmark! Certainly, by the time I put enough money into an S13 to perform comparable to a C6 and be aesthethically pleasing enough, I could almost afford the damn Vette and had modern accomodations to start off with.

I'm waiting until the 2008 C6's get cheaper. Personally, I don't think I need a side budget for modifications anymore with a car the weighs less than a 350Z But has 430hp at the crank.

[titangts]

problem solved...buy this!

http://zilvia.net/f/cars-sale/388226-fs-2jz-fd3s-single-turbo-details-inside.html

[2slow2go]

the thing about jz swaps is there always that long ass shifter..

[Ottoman]

and relocating the steering rack always causes bump steer issues..
(some ppl care some dont)

[240sxvaj]

did the OP saw Initial D for the first time and fell in love with the FD? lol get an FD, you'll never find another car that handles exactly the same. like everyone said, if u buy a cheaper car and fix it up in the end you already spent about enough to get an FD. i know because i have an s13 with over $10k+ put into it. and i know i will never get that much back when i sell it because there are stupid low ballers on Zilvia.

[BoostedFc]

Is who kidding you?

This ricers thread

[redline1320]

Redline, I'm gonna blow your mind real quick.

You ready?


...



You can convert your early FD tails to look JUST LIKE THAT for $10 or so in black paint and lens sealant.

The bumper/bumper support conversion is a little pricier if you care about the front.

Yea I already knew that btw and it looks like shit if you paint them yourself trust me on that one.
Best to buy it all and do it the right way the first time which puts it at about $3200 just to do it alone.
I was going off the pic posted not by converting a USDM FD.
Point is: comparing a fd to a mr2 is suicide

[illvialuver]

The FD is hella fun to drive but rotarys are very unreliable. My rx7 broke down twice as much as either sr I have had so far. Even with fresh apex seals you need to replace them again becuase they eat them up like a fat kid with candy. After I had a brand new rotary from mazda which was then street ported with only 10k the apex seals were leaking again.

If you can tough it through that then that fun to drive factor is just over the top let alone the rarity (at least in my area). If I had the money to keep another rx7 afloat I would in a heartbeat.



Yes but the problem is once you get to the heavier modified stage it then again becomes just as unreliable as an rx7. And for someone who sounds on a budget the amount to put in to equal an fd would near near the cost of getting one as previously stated. Granted at that amount the 240 would have more power, but still...


I find it funny that you say if you cold keep another fd you would in a heartbeat, and your name is camarao whatever, just throw a ls in it, and you can have all that and a bag of chips.

[lflkajfj12123]

didn't read the thread but

FD3S #1

[BoostedFc]

buy a swapped s13, good coils, and amazing tires, redo all the suspension. then alignment.

or... do what i did ;)



http://i54.tinypic.com/68y5jr.jpg

How much power does your car make?

[Bubbles]

Corvette's are ugly as shit, has that been covered yet?

[PshNHrd]

If only I was mechanically inclined and knew about Rotary engines. It sucks to have to ship out your motor to a shop to have it worked on because no mechanic around the way don't know sh%t about it.

[simmode1]

Corvette's are ugly as shit, has that been covered yet?
Your opinion is factually inaccurate. They just need a little more wheel fitment love.
http://www.vividracing.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/2_8.jpg