Can SR20DET pass?

[Flameberg]

Is the SD20DET illegal..TOTALLY? Or is there SOME way to have it pass...or is it just...totally illegal...Looking for info...meaning i dont know... :P so any info on it would be great.

[nokeone]

will not pass visual inspection..emission it can be made to pass..some of them even come with EGR equipment..

but regardless of test results..them motor is illegal for use in a USDM car as it was not ever available in the 240sx, or other nissan, here in the USA..

[HiPSI]

depending on your location, here in GA my friend's SR with all emission equipment removed except a 3" cat, bigger injectors and JWT remapped ECU passed just fine to my suprise.

[Flameberg]

Shattered my dreams..Dont feel like studing up on it...Buying the motor..Trying to install it (Hehe) DOING IT RIGHT! :P And then having to pay someone to pass it..Then getting into ****...And having them take away my car..Hmm..Any thing else equal up to the SD20DET? Kinda new and i only heard mainly about that..Info is greatly apreciated :)

[nokeone]

Originally posted by HiPSI
depending on your location, here in GA my friend's SR with all emission equipment removed except a 3" cat, bigger injectors and JWT remapped ECU passed just fine to my suprise.

either your friend got lucky, or he knew someone, or GA is just super lax..because it's a Federal Emissions Standard that the car must meet..which, like i said, regardless of test results it wont..:)

[nokeone]

Originally posted by Flameberg
Shattered my dreams..Dont feel like studing up on it...Buying the motor..Trying to install it (Hehe) DOING IT RIGHT! :P And then having to pay someone to pass it..Then getting into ****...And having them take away my car..Hmm..Any thing else equal up to the SD20DET? Kinda new and i only heard mainly about that..Info is greatly apreciated :)

pick up a CARB DOT approved turbo kit for your KA..i think it's Greddy (could be wrong on this) that came out with one recently for around $2500...

[the head]

God bless the lack of emissions laws in my state:D

[HiPSI]

Originally posted by nokeone
either your friend got lucky, or he knew someone, or GA is just super lax..because it's a Federal Emissions Standard that the car must meet..which, like i said, regardless of test results it wont..:)


there's no visual inspection or any of that here, they look under the car for a converter and then put it on the rollers and stick the sniffer in the tailpipe. watched it with my own eyes;) it was below the standart test values for a stock 240 according to their sniffer.

[starfireS14]

Originally posted by the head
God bless the lack of emissions laws in my state:D

What state is that? Is anyone familiar with FL vehicle inspection and emission procedures?

[nokeone]

Originally posted by HiPSI
there's no visual inspection or any of that here, they look under the car for a converter and then put it on the rollers and stick the sniffer in the tailpipe. watched it with my own eyes;) it was below the standart test values for a stock 240 according to their sniffer.

lucky bastards..lol..FCUK California...:bash:

[apocalypse]

Originally posted by nokeone
either your friend got lucky, or he knew someone, or GA is just super lax..because it's a Federal Emissions Standard that the car must meet..which, like i said, regardless of test results it wont..:)


Mine passed New Jersey emmisions
with a 3 inch downpipe and exahust and high flow cat

[nokeone]

Originally posted by apocalypse
Mine passed New Jersey emmisions
with a 3 inch downpipe and exahust and high flow cat

see, you are all just lucky that you live in states where the laws are rather lax and not enforced..cause i'm sure if you went up to a HWY Patrol officer anywhere and asked him what he thought about your engine, he'd say...ummm..come with me..lol..cause technically the use of sr20det engines in the USA is illegal..

but yeah..California emissions laws suck..and they are so strict that no one is willing to "bend" the rules a little for you cause if they get caught the fines are outrageous...

it seriously costs close to $500 to get an SR to "pass" smog here in California...rediculous...:rolleyes:

[DuffMan]

Originally posted by nokeone
see, you are all just lucky that you live in states where the laws are rather lax and not enforced..cause i'm sure if you went up to a HWY Patrol officer anywhere and asked him what he thought about your engine, he'd say...ummm..come with me..lol..cause technically the use of sr20det engines in the USA is illegal..

No the purpose of emissions testing in most states is to test your emissions, not determine if your engine is swapped legally or not. The extra work this would involve is extremely wastefull in terms of money and time, especially, when the car is determined to not be harming the environment.

Of course, California government is all about wastefullness, hense all that extra BS.

[kazuo]

Mr. noke,

People pass out the pipe in other states cus they don't have CARB and their wonderful visual inspections. Tailpipe only. As long as they have a cat, they're pretty much good to go.. few exceptions but yeah.

Also, IIRC, that GReddy kit doesn't have CARB cert yet... its "pending" (which means it may never ever get CARB cert cus they work with speed on par wit that of a huge glacier)

:P

:/

EDIT: I also checked GReddy's site and the kit is still listed as "TBA"... it *MAY* be released already and their website is just out of date but I dunno... get a SR :P

[nokeone]

Originally posted by kazuo
Mr. noke,

People pass out the pipe in other states cus they don't have CARB and their wonderful visual inspections. Tailpipe only. As long as they have a cat, they're pretty much good to go.. few exceptions but yeah.

Also, IIRC, that GReddy kit doesn't have CARB cert yet... its "pending" (which means it may never ever get CARB cert cus they work with speed on par wit that of a huge glacier)

EDIT: I also checked GReddy's site and the kit is still listed as "TBA"... it *MAY* be released already and their website is just out of date but I dunno... get a SR :P

once again..lucky bastards..lol..

do any other states even have a "state referee" like we do?..basically someone who bends you over and does you in the ass if anything is found to be non-conforming on your car...

and yeah...i musta seen the CARB pending thing and mistook it..cause i agree..that politcal BS can take forver to approve sh!t...

and yep..SR all the way..:D

[PAnut240]

I aggree with you guys also, CARB is a crock of the smelly stuff and So is California leger. I haven't see anyplace that will charge you $500 to smogg an SR up my way, but I wouldn't put it past these greedy bastards. The SR was sold in the US but only as the non turbo version. Besides, most people that have seen my engine just think its a KA with a turbo kit since they don't really know the differance. Boy, I need to hurry up and get my car registered back in PA before my smogg comes due again.

[Flameberg]

Its all good and dandy if u can pass...yes...But as a whole in america..is the SR20 legal on paper?

Unless u get a stupid person to check ur ****...or one that doesnt care...u cant get it passed...which would blow cock and balls...

Is it different in EVERY state? Or is it a nation wide law?


First...its a great thing to do..Then its illegal...Then some say its ok...hmm...guess i have to go ask an official from my state...Damnit.. :P

[nokeone]

Originally posted by Flameberg
Its all good and dandy if u can pass...yes...But as a whole in america..is the SR20 legal on paper?

Unless u get a stupid person to check ur ****...or one that doesnt care...u cant get it passed...which would blow cock and balls...

Is it different in EVERY state? Or is it a nation wide law?


First...its a great thing to do..Then its illegal...Then some say its ok...hmm...guess i have to go ask an official from my state...Damnit.. :P

you know my opinion and what i know as law for the USA and more particular for California...

like you said..best idea is to call up you local CHP or whomever and ask..

:)

[henessi]

I live in Mississippi and we have no emission testing/hood/under the car lookin' whatsoever :D

[Steeles]

jeeez please search this is brought up EVERy week. and every week it is the same answer

THE ENGINE IS ILLEGAL TO BE RUN ON THE UNITED STATES PUBLIC ROADS. IF YOUR STATE DOES EMISSIONS TESTING YOU HAVE A HIGHER RISK OF BEING CAUGHT WITH IT. PENALTIES LIKE EMISSIONS TESTING VARY. LEARN IT LIVE IT DEAL WITH IT AND ARCHIVE IT! PASS IT ON TO YOUR FRIENDS. WHY IS THIS SUCH A HARD CONCEPT FOR PEOPLE TO GRASP?

[brianglawson]

you feeble people, i dont even have a sniffer test done, they just check for cat lights tire...etc, hell where i go they just tell me to keep it maintained and slap the sticker on...they no how we take care of our vehicles, so no worries

[Phoen_x_s14]

Originally posted by HiPSI
depending on your location, here in GA my friend's SR with all emission equipment removed except a 3" cat, bigger injectors and JWT remapped ECU passed just fine to my suprise.

Dam, suprising. Didn't think SR20 would pass. What model 240 and what engine year does your friend have? Oh yeah, lol, are yall in a team? I'm trying to start a true RACE team with not being for show in mind.

[Phoen_x_s14]

Originally posted by Flameberg
Its all good and dandy if u can pass...yes...But as a whole in america..is the SR20 legal on paper?

Unless u get a stupid person to check ur ****...or one that doesnt care...u cant get it passed...which would blow cock and balls...

Is it different in EVERY state? Or is it a nation wide law?


First...its a great thing to do..Then its illegal...Then some say its ok...hmm...guess i have to go ask an official from my state...Damnit.. :P


I think it was somewhere on Super Street or Turbo Magazine where they did articles on crazy engine swaps. Correct me if I'm wrong. A engine swap is legal as long as the engine is the same year or newer as the chassis, BUT if the car that the engine came from was sold in the united states. Doesn't matter where the engine came from. An example is like the hondas, a 1995 civic can have a 1995 Integra type R engine from japan since the type R was sold here in the U.S. but it won't be legal on PAPER if it had a 1994 engine.

I think its legal on paper to have a RB series engine in a 240sx since Motorex crashed, safety, emission tested skylines and therefore it counts as legal in the united states. But Motorex has only legalize so far R32, R33, R34. Since the Silvia (meaning its j-spec and right hand drive) was not sold here in the US with a SR20DET, but instead 240SX with a KA24 truck engine, then it's not legal ON PAPER to have it. Thats just legal stuff, as long as you can pass emissions then its all gravy.

Emission Techs don't know what their looking at most of the time anyway to see if you swapped your engine unless their into fixing up cars themselves, but then if they fail you their gonna be failing themselves. One guy who did my emissions didn't even know what my car was when I pulled it in, the only thing he knew about my car was what the computer pulled up. Hell, the computer even said my car was a sedan......go figure lol. So as long as you can find an emission testing place that won't dick you and be a total ass, I'm sure that you'll pass emissions. If any one in Ga wants to know a good place to do emissions, theres one in Tucker-Clarkston, called McGhees right near the hwy exit.

[kazuo]

Originally posted by Phoen_x_s14
I think it was somewhere on Super Street or Turbo Magazine where they did articles on crazy engine swaps. Correct me if I'm wrong. A engine swap is legal as long as the engine is the same year or newer as the chassis, BUT if the car that the engine came from was sold in the united states. Doesn't matter where the engine came from. An example is like the hondas, a 1995 civic can have a 1995 Integra type R engine from japan since the type R was sold here in the U.S. but it won't be legal on PAPER if it had a 1994 engine.

That's probably true outside of the Fourth Reich (aka California), but here in CA, the motor must be the same year or NEWER as the chassis (cannot be older) and must maintain the original smog equipment and it must work. This is verified by a BAR referee and not some guy at the local Shell station, so they'll know. (A guy I know had to go back like three times cus he didn't have the vacuum lines run properly on his B18 swap or some such junk :P)

Also the motor must be a street-legal, DOT and EPA certified motor. No JDM ****.

I think its legal on paper to have a RB series engine in a 240sx since Motorex crashed, safety, emission tested skylines and therefore it counts as legal in the united states. But Motorex has only legalize so far R32, R33, R34.

Again, outside of CA, prolly true, but in CA, assuming that this is in fact correct, you would (again) need to maintain the original smog equipment, which on the RB motors means 2 (possibly more; I haven't actually looked at one) catalytic converters, as well as all kinds of other garbage MotoRex had to add to it to make it legal (you would also need a re-coded ECU from MotoRex since I am sure they changed a few things in there as well).

But yeah, possible.

Since the Silvia (meaning its j-spec and right hand drive) was not sold here in the US with a SR20DET, but instead 240SX with a KA24 truck engine, then it's not legal ON PAPER to have it. Thats just legal stuff, as long as you can pass emissions then its all gravy.

That's assuming you don't get sent to a ref with the SR.. then its not gravy cus you just broke a Federal law. (That means big trouble)

Emission Techs don't know what their looking at most of the time anyway to see if you swapped your engine unless their into fixing up cars themselves

Again, true, but the referees do know what they're looking at... so it just varies according to state & situation.

Just be smart about it everyone... be aware of what the laws are and be aware of what you are doing before you do it, so you can anticipate what you'll have to do if you get caught!

:D

[em55ery]

does anyone know anything about new york states emission laws and such? im planning on getting a 240 soon and right after im going to order my sr20.. but before i do anything im doing all my research.. any help would be appreciated:)

[Phoen_x_s14]

Always upside and downside to everything, Cali has the most aftermarket companies located and most times easier access to parts then the rest of is, but because of that, emission and cops know whats up with the import tuning community. Other states are slowly learning about this hobby/life of ours, but are not as strict......yet.

Here in Ga, some laws just passed bout not being able to equip a non-HID car with HIDs. Can't have hyper white (blueish type) turn signals. A friend of mine had it and he was up north where cops are a-holes, he gave my friend a ticker for "impersonating a cop" and then the jusdge fined him $400. Things like that don't really affects a car's perfomance, but you know its all about politics, saying one thing but meaning another. Thats how the government works.