Sleeper KA-T Photos. Post them up!!!

[GroundPerformance]

I know we have threads regarding chassis and engine bays. I figure start one specifically for Stealth KA-T setups. This is all about being sleeper status regardless of how much HP your making. Hopefully this will be able to help future KA-T guys. Quick specs are optional just pics. Enjoy..!!


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[matts13vert]

nice Jonathon!! Is the coupe nearing completion?

[GroundPerformance]

nice Jonathon!! Is the coupe nearing completion?
Yes.. It will be at the BBQ next month.

[ZilviaKid]

love the stock look

not because its stealthy, but because it so clean

[iamtheyi]

subbed to see what awesomeness I can find.

[UNISA JECS]

My KA24DET

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u159/zilvia_album/100_0225.jpg

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u159/zilvia_album/100_0226.jpg

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http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u159/zilvia_album/PictureorVideo1183.jpg

[matts13vert]

Yes.. It will be at the BBQ next month.

Awesome!! cant wait to see it. :)

Heres mine.
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/185684_175009729211487_100001073846338_400261_2621 747_n.jpg
beautiful and extremely clean engine UNISA JECS!!!

[jesse_s13]

Good god these are clean setups.

[ZenkiKid]

matts13vert are you the one who cut up a oem sr20 turbo mani to work on a ka24de?

[Okinawandrifter87]

matts13vert are you the one who cut up a oem sr20 turbo mani to work on a ka24de?


^^ yes he is

[matts13vert]

matts13vert are you the one who cut up a oem sr20 turbo mani to work on a ka24de?

Yes I am, OP got it done by the same guy that did mine as well. Still using his manifold and not one problem since.

[future]

Hopefully I can join this thread sometime soon. Nice bays guys

['97 S14 SE Turbo]

Very nice! Like what you guys are doing with the OEM look! If something like this was readily available back in the days, there been more KA-Ts out there.

Making me tempted to do that to my DD S13. Love the OEM look. Is there a thread where most of the info on the modified SR manifold exist?

[hellion240sx]

the clean stock look is just simply amazing!

[!Zar!]

To the people using tubular manifolds and posting it in the sleeper thread, you are failing.

And aren't there companies selling iron ka-t manifolds on ebay for like $100 now?

[s14fbs]

My KA24DET



http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u159/zilvia_album/rP1180003.jpg

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u159/zilvia_album/rP1180004.jpg

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i dont forsee your oil return or water lines coming off your turbo lasting there going to melt so quick
i have seen it happen to way to many people regular rubber hose can not withstand suck heat that the turbo puts off

['97 S14 SE Turbo]

And not to mention the melted brake master cylinder reservoir...

[Mista Lee]

Not quite done yet.. Anyone have a stock coldpipe for my smic?!
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f76/initialdfreak/240sx/414.jpg

[matts13vert]

Is there a thread where most of the info on the modified SR manifold exist?


Check out my build thread. :)
http://zilvia.net/f/chat/358251-matts13verts-socal-dream-super-stock-ka-t-setup-sr-exhaust-manifold-used.html

I agree the tubular manifolds are a dead giveaway. :/

[UNISA JECS]

i dont forsee your oil return or water lines coming off your turbo lasting there going to melt so quick
i have seen it happen to way to many people regular rubber hose can not withstand suck heat that the turbo puts off

And not to mention the melted brake master cylinder reservoir...

haha you guys are both wrong, I got 3 years on the engine you see in that picture (its been a daily driver that drives almost 700 mile round trips twice a month up north towards sacramento) without one single problem, there was a heatshield that I made for the manifold and a custom heatshield for the BMC, I put alot of thought into my setups, those pics arent of the final setup lots of things changed. Oh yea it gets over 420 mile per tank full.

[s14fbs]

haha you guys are both wrong, I got 3 years on the engine you see in that picture (its been a daily driver that drives almost 700 mile round trips twice a month up north towards sacramento) without one single problem, there was a heatshield that I made for the manifold and a custom heatshield for the BMC, I put alot of thought into my setups, those pics arent of the final setup lots of things changed. Oh yea it gets over 420 mile per tank full.

well im just saying its a risky move

but the way i drive they would never hold up ik from past experiences when i first got in the game in 07-08 and built a ka-t u melted the same kind of oil return u have on there in the first week

[UNISA JECS]

well im just saying its a risky move

but the way i drive they would never hold up ik from past experiences when i first got in the game in 07-08 and built a ka-t u melted the same kind of oil return u have on there in the first week

Been in this game since 1998 "turbo charging my cars", but bought my first 91 B13 Sentra SE-R in 1995 when I was in the Marine Corps, imma big ole SR20DET guy but I sure do love me some KA24DE-T.

I dont take risk, trust me this is why I had zero issues with all of my setups cause I never cheap out or jury rigg stuff, I like reliabilty and good gas milage. I beat the shit out of this car on a daily it see's redline all day every day, but i treat'em right. KA-T reliability is all in tunning and I know how to tune my own car.

That was my KA-T thread back in early 2008

This is a picture of what the final heat shield looked like but even that I made lil changes to, alot of pictures were lost.

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u159/zilvia_album/DSC00446.jpg

http://zilvia.net/f/chat/180650-my-ka-t-just-about-finsihed.html

[UNISA JECS]

There is no issue with my oil return what so ever and I bet no one other than the other 4 KA-T setup I have done have a return like mines.

You can see my oil return runs right threw the center of the engine mount bracket here in this picture (but its not a complete picture) but thats where it runs threw I dont know how the hell you melted a oil return hose what were you running some cheap ass hose?

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u159/zilvia_album/Capture222.png

[rob22]

anybody running a t25/370/n60 with a safc?

[s14fbs]

There is no issue with my oil return what so ever and I bet no one other than the other 4 KA-T setup I have done have a return like mines.

You can see my oil return runs right threw the center of the engine mount bracket here in this picture (but its not a complete picture) but thats where it runs threw I dont know how the hell you melted a oil return hose what were you running some cheap ass hose?

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u159/zilvia_album/Capture222.png

im not trying to argue with you or question your setup

im just saying imo and experience i have melted hose ends cause from heat transfer from the turbo to the hose and melted around the clamps
but its working fro you then theres no big deal

you dont have to go on a posting streak trying to defend yourself

['97 S14 SE Turbo]

My KA+T had an oil return like that, back in ~'00... Melted quickly. I was using the prototype FMAX turbo logstyle manifold. Had to switch to braided hose. But then again, I live in Arizona, and track the car on roadcourses...

[GroundPerformance]

There is no issue with my oil return what so ever and I bet no one other than the other 4 KA-T setup I have done have a return like mines.

You can see my oil return runs right threw the center of the engine mount bracket here in this picture (but its not a complete picture) but thats where it runs threw I dont know how the hell you melted a oil return hose what were you running some cheap ass hose?



Clean oil return routing..

anybody running a t25/370/n60 with a safc?

SAFC tuning while it will work. I'd recommend a ROM tuned ECU for a basic KA-T. You can still use the SAFC for minor adjustments if needed. General rule if running straight SAFC is to retard timing .5 degrees per 1 psi of boost. BTW. I did run this before on my very first KA-T for about 2 months car run aggressive so better safe than sorry. GL

[UNISA JECS]

I could have wraped them that woven fiberglass and aluminum foil that is used in this application from the factor on the SR20DET which would have been a good extra margin for safety sake, so thats a good idea just didn't need it on mines but its a good idea.

[EsChassisLove]

haha you guys are both wrong, I got 3 years on the engine you see in that picture (its been a daily driver that drives almost 700 mile round trips twice a month up north towards sacramento) without one single problem, there was a heatshield that I made for the manifold and a custom heatshield for the BMC, I put alot of thought into my setups, those pics arent of the final setup lots of things changed. Oh yea it gets over 420 mile per tank full.

Congrats you get 24mpg.
edit-i get almost 30.

['97 S14 SE Turbo]

Nonetheless, your setup is clean, and works for your operating environment. Seeing the OEM type setup is tempting me to do the same for my DD, but I need to get of my rearend and get my S14 back up and running before starting another project.

[matts13vert]

Congrats you get 24mpg.

Thats pretty good as i get 17-18mpg currently. I wish i could get 24mpg.

[GroundPerformance]

Always used silicone hoses on mine.

With AC
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/62451_1625316758835_1413997181_31663665_5858659_n. jpg

NO AC..
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/198013_1912686862908_1413997181_32199259_4224439_n .jpg

[GroundPerformance]

Thats pretty good as i get 17-18mpg currently. I wish i could get 24mpg.

A slightly bigger turbo may help.. T25 spools almost instantly on KA24.

[EsChassisLove]

Thats pretty good as i get 17-18mpg currently. I wish i could get 24mpg.

KA?

My SR is technically a SR22 but I still get 30mpg lol.

PS-Forged internals really really really kill gas mileage. In the mornings when I warm up I'll probably get 24mpg cuz of the warmup.


I have to admit these are some clean KA-T setups. I usually see them done shitty, quick and half assed

[UNISA JECS]

Congrats you get 24mpg.

The tank is ~15 gallons but not quite 16 gallons so thats between 26-27mpg.

But my calulations of 420 miles per tank full are based on using 14.5 - 14.9 gallons of gas because I didn't want to run out of gas obviously so based on that almost 29mpg's so its not to bad bad.

My bone stock S13 KA24DE sucked in the MPG department but that was mostly do to the knock sensor shielded singal wire which very commonly fails on teh S13's and shorst to ground via the shielded cable making contact with the singal line inside this multilayer wire, but thats a whole other story.

I guarntee you hardly anyother KA24DE-T will even come close to my milage and I bet they will agree.

[UNISA JECS]

Always used silicone hoses on mine.

With AC
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/62451_1625316758835_1413997181_31663665_5858659_n. jpg

NO AC..
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/198013_1912686862908_1413997181_32199259_4224439_n .jpg

Thats a major fail oil return setup (for no AC), the oil return is gravity drained, you taped into the easy way which is the wrong way. Oil can back up in your return line and overfill in the CHRA and raise to the level of the oil control ring and start leaking fuel into the turbine side of teh housing which will start cokeing up and turn into hard carbon deposits and wear yoru turbo out prematurely.

Mines work for both AC and no AC because I thought it threw and yes my KA-T had full AC.

[GroundPerformance]

Could be.. But haven't had any issues like that on any of the KA-T I've done and helped. General rule for oil return is to keep free flowing and as high in the pan you can place it.

BTW that Modded PAN came from a Formula drift car. Dont think he had that issues.
http://schelleyracing.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/4.jpg

[UNISA JECS]

Well I know that 4 full quarts of oil will fill up to the almost very top of the pan where it meets the block, granted there is never gonna be a full 4 quarts setting in the pan while driving but its still better to be safe than sorry, I know this because again I filled up the oil pan with 4 quarts of water when the pan was off to see where the maxima height of oil would reach and this is how I came up with my oil return location.

Beyound all that, if that doesnt even become a problem its still not a good location to tap for the return as the oil exiting the CHRA is frothy and air being sucked up by the oil pick up is not a good thing. This is also why turbo oil drain lines are large.

[GroundPerformance]

While I do believe that issue on placement is minimal if any. You do bring up a good point. Thanks!

[UNISA JECS]

Always used silicone hoses on mine.

With AC
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/62451_1625316758835_1413997181_31663665_5858659_n. jpg

NO AC..
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/198013_1912686862908_1413997181_32199259_4224439_n .jpg

While I do believe that issue if any is minimal. You do bring up a good point. Thanks!

These aren't things your not gonna see be an issue right away, again im about reliability and the long haul im not satified with 2 or 3 years usage before im replacing the turbo or an engine. Just here on zilvia alone you'll read more threads mentioning a T25 failed in one week, like if its widely accepted that its cool if you get a year or two out of them lol....but thats also due to running improperly adjusted BOV also (compressor surge).

[towlie]

What turbo manifold(s) are you guys using?

I love how stock these look

[illvialuver]

looking good, wold like more stats on your set up unisa jecs.

[UNISA JECS]

looking good, wold like more stats on your set up unisa jecs.


Stock Internal KA24DE
SSAC BMM
370cc
stock FPR (no need for an adjustable one just yet)
stock S13 SMIC w/all piping
stock KA24DE ECU with Nistune Type 3 Board
Z32 TT fuel pump with re-wired relay for 14v all teh fuel pump
GM 3 bar MAP sensor for logging boost/vacuum
Apexi AVCR
Apexi Turbo Timer
Apexi GT Spec Exhaust
Innovate LM-2 wideband
Defi Link meter sytem with fuel and boost gauge's
CUSCO Subframe bushings
CUSCO Engine mounts
CUSCO F/R Strut tower braces
Kei Office coilovers
Full ES suspension bushings
SPL RUCA's
SPL Adapter brakcets for 12.76" 350z brembo pkg rotors with Z32 30mm calipers
Full working S13 digital climate control
S14 98 model year seats
G35c 18x8 +30 wheels
Electric fan conversion
5 lug conversion rear hubs from Z32
5 lug conversion front with J30 hubs and S13 spindles with custom sleeves and spacers I made for it

probably left some stuff out

[s14fbs]

The tank is ~15 gallons but not quite 16 gallons so thats between 26-27mpg.

But my calulations of 420 miles per tank full are based on using 14.5 - 14.9 gallons of gas because I didn't want to run out of gas obviously so based on that almost 29mpg's so its not to bad bad.

My bone stock S13 KA24DE sucked in the MPG department but that was mostly do to the knock sensor shielded singal wire which very commonly fails on teh S13's and shorst to ground via the shielded cable making contact with the singal line inside this multilayer wire, but thats a whole other story.

I guarntee you hardly anyother KA24DE-T will even come close to my milage and I bet they will agree.
i get 29mpg on a top mount forged setup with big injectors making 400whp

its not hard to get good mileage with a good tune and proper driving

[jdmspooge]

So, has anyone been pulled over and the cop didn't find that your KA's were turboed? Curious...

[s14fbs]

So, has anyone been pulled over and the cop didn't find that your KA's were turboed? Curious...

i have a crazy built top mount setup nothing hidden and i have never been asked to even pop my hood lol

[jdmspooge]

i have a crazy built top mount setup nothing hidden and i have never been asked to even pop my hood lol

I guess it depends where you live. CA is stupid crazy. Even moms little honda gets rolled haha!

[UNISA JECS]

So, has anyone been pulled over and the cop didn't find that your KA's were turboed? Curious...

I have once but cop didn't say anything other than clean engine and nice car.

This is before the front was painted and bigger brakes put on and the car being droped a little more, my car looks like a stock car probably why I never got harassed even though I had a huge ass Apexi GT Spec exhaust which is very quiet by the way. The hood is also carbon fiber.

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u159/zilvia_album/mys13.jpg

[newslidz]

my sleeper status

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/222983_223333934347542_100000128115328_1012962_802 4644_n.jpg

LOL jk... But seeing these really makes me want to build another for daily with this sleeper status that way i can love my 40s and never loose boost

[DinoMan]

^^^ I only read the top part of that post and i was pretty confused at first ill admit.

[HPKMotorsports3]

damn i want a ka... but my lambo came with a sr so its staying cause im lazy lol... new lids i like that turbo

[codyace]

PS-Forged internals really really really kill gas mileage. In the mornings when I warm up I'll probably get 24mpg cuz of the warmup.

I've never EVER seen a MPG difference of any of the cars I've built on similar tunes stock vs forged. In fact I've gotten better fuel mileage on most setups with going to a forged piston simply due to the fact of better ring seal. Curious as to why you see such a difference.



I guarntee you hardly anyother KA24DE-T will even come close to my milage and I bet they will agree.

My Altima got 29/30 highway ;)

Either way nice setup. Nice and clean, just like my car :D


While I do believe that issue on placement is minimal if any. You do bring up a good point. Thanks!

You want the return as low as you can possibly put it, but higher than the oil level. Not doing this causes frothing/foam. Minimal to you, but bad on many ends. Being a track based owner, I can assure you that frothy oil on a long turn causes issues.


Thats pretty good as i get 17-18mpg currently. I wish i could get 24mpg.
A slightly bigger turbo may help.. T25 spools almost instantly on KA24.

Turbo size isn't indicative of good/poor fuel economy, condition of engine and tune are. If anything the car should see better fuel mileage with a smaller turbo due to increased torque and lack of fuel/throttle needed to accelerate.

[newslidz]

I've never EVER seen a MPG difference of any of the cars I've built on similar tunes stock vs forged. In fact I've gotten better fuel mileage on most setups with going to a forged piston simply due to the fact of better ring seal. Curious as to why you see such a difference.


I was actually just thinking that and the fact that most of the times you go to a lower comp piston... it all comes down to the tunes.. your not boosting your car to make good gas milage are you? if so just go by a insight or a prius

[qwerth]

nice set ups you guys got there !

[josephin510]

I've never EVER seen a MPG difference of any of the cars I've built on similar tunes stock vs forged. In fact I've gotten better fuel mileage on most setups with going to a forged piston simply due to the fact of better ring seal. Curious as to why you see such a difference.




My Altima got 29/30 highway ;)

Either way nice setup. Nice and clean, just like my car :D




You want the return as low as you can possibly put it, but higher than the oil level. Not doing this causes frothing/foam. Minimal to you, but bad on many ends. Being a track based owner, I can assure you that frothy oil on a long turn causes issues.



Turbo size isn't indicative of good/poor fuel economy, condition of engine and tune are. If anything the car should see better fuel mileage with a smaller turbo due to increased torque and lack of fuel/throttle needed to accelerate.

I always get a good smile when you layeth the smack down of knowlegde.:keke:

[future]

I get 17-21mpg on a stock ka24e. I don't think that's too bad. What are you secrets to getting 25-27? I plan on joining this thread sometime but I'm wondering how you pull the extra miles out your asses lol

[redhatchy92]

I get 17-21mpg on a stock ka24e. I don't think that's too bad. What are you secrets to getting 25-27? I plan on joining this thread sometime but I'm wondering how you pull the extra miles out your asses lol

well a dohc is much better on gas trust me. also check all your sensors they help alot.

[dRift_g0ddess]

i have a crazy built top mount setup nothing hidden and i have never been asked to even pop my hood lol

^ ditto haha. I like to think it's because I'm a girl though :D Either way, I'm glad it hasn't happened yet!

Sleeper from this angle ;) Lmao
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/AlotLikeLove/182038_10150157302665625_531975624_8168625_4848677 _n.jpg


Awesome thread, I love how these are looking! Pretty much made up my mind about future plans for the Vert.. these pics are quite motivating haha :wiggle:

[!Zar!]

Wtf is all this mpg bullshit?
Zilprius.net or what?

[silviaks2nr]

I'm a tad confused with this thread... Perhaps "hidden" ka-t setups would be a more appropriate theme; I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble but a dinky t25 sidemount intercooler ka-t setup isn't "sleeper". It might look similar to original equipment but it's still pretty measly performance wise.

[future]

^hater?????

[rob22]

I'm a tad confused with this thread... Perhaps "hidden" ka-t setups would be a more appropriate theme; I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble but a dinky t25 sidemount intercooler ka-t setup isn't "sleeper". It might look similar to original equipment but it's still pretty measly performance wise.


the point of this thread is to show oem looking ka-t set ups.
people in cali get popped left and right for driving an import.
if a cop pops your hood and see's a set up similar to these your more than likely going to get away with it because it looks "sleeper"

nobodies looking for performance with a small t25 and smic.
your lucky to get 200hp out of this set up
its just to give the ka a little pep to its step.

[!Zar!]

Plus one could always bolt a turbo in that is t2 flanged. So power can be increased.

[future]

Turbo is not the sleeper problem, I think the smic is what will ristrict from making say 300whp

[GroundPerformance]

I plan on eventually upgrading my setup with STI 550cc injectors, Z32 Maf, Nistune and TD06-20G turbo. Running same side FMIC core and retain the SMIC piping painted all black. Setup may not be optimal but anything to be stealthy will definitely be a plus for us here in CALI.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/bloodspread/DSC_0247.jpg

[future]

I like the m/ore of hiddin intercooler. Do they make upgraded ones? I've never heard of one

[GroundPerformance]

I like the m/ore of hiddin intercooler. Do they make upgraded ones? I've never heard of one

Yes but they cost more. ARC and Blitz makes one. S15 Intercooler is also a good upgrade.

[hellion240sx]

DO YOU HAVE A PIC OF THE S15 ONE? oops caps lock

[ManoNegra]

DO YOU HAVE A PIC OF THE S15 ONE? oops caps lock

google.... less than 10 seconds... what's your excuse?

http://www.silviawa.com/gallery/albums/showroom/afp.jpg

[Tantwoforty]

google.... less than 10 seconds... what's your excuse?

http://www.silviawa.com/gallery/albums/showroom/afp.jpg

not willing to retype what he said after realizing caps was on. but still taking the time to type oops caps should be a dead giveaway.

anyway, i support KA-T in all its goodness.
i just dropped mine in finaly.
dont mind the harness mess. i just tossed it all back in the engine bay to close up and snapped a quick pic
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/224759_10150183026274801_681149800_6568348_6883496 _n.jpg

[future]

^non sleeper. But s15 fmic ftw (: any bodyelse have a clean setup?

[Razi]

i just dropped mine in finaly.
dont mind the harness mess. i just tossed it all back in the engine bay to close up and snapped a quick pic
Congrats dude!

I got my KA/SR hybrid manifold in a few weeks ago.
http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm218/Razi11/0417111649.jpg
I'll get a heatshield for it soon.

I'll take some better pictures of it with the new manifold when I find my damn digital camera.

But here's an old pic of my setup for the thread...
http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm218/Razi11/IMG_2481.jpg

[!Zar!]

I've had a few ARC SMIC's. They work great.

But now I have an ARC Front Mount Cross Flow intercooler. Stock piping location but the benefits of a front mount.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c391/TurboDrifterZar/photo-99-1.jpg

[xX240-SXx]

i almost finish my set up i was looking for the sleeper look but some how i ended up getting some aftermarket parts lol but car look stock from the outside so i think that's also a good idea less attention to the cops lol

http://i750.photobucket.com/albums/xx147/05sti_2009/IMG_1102.jpg

http://i750.photobucket.com/albums/xx147/05sti_2009/IMG_1101.jpg

http://i750.photobucket.com/albums/xx147/05sti_2009/IMG_1103.jpg

http://i750.photobucket.com/albums/xx147/05sti_2009/IMG_1104.jpg

[Razi]

You should put your stock fan shroud back on!

I found out that a part of the shroud that was supposed to slip under the top and bottom tanks on the radiator was causing the shroud not to sit flush on the new Koyo rad, so I trimmed it.

Now it sits pretty flush.
http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm218/Razi11/IMG_2487.jpg
I also removed the small vacuum hose holder tabs on the shroud.

[EsChassisLove]

I've never EVER seen a MPG difference of any of the cars I've built on similar tunes stock vs forged. In fact I've gotten better fuel mileage on most setups with going to a forged piston simply due to the fact of better ring seal. Curious as to why you see such a difference.

.

Well when your sitting there Idling for 10-15 minutes you get 0mpg. ZERO.

And I have to warm my car up twice a day. And the PowerFC runs my AFR at [email protected] during warm up.

Let your car idle for 15 minutes then go drive with 1 gallon in your tank.

When you run dry, put another gallon in and go, dont let it idle for 15 minutes, and tell me you dont see a fairly large distance in how far you get.

Thats all I was saying.

Unless you dont let your forged pistons warm up before drive.....

[EsChassisLove]

^ ditto haha. I like to think it's because I'm a girl though :D Either way, I'm glad it hasn't happened yet!

Sleeper from this angle ;) Lmao
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/AlotLikeLove/182038_10150157302665625_531975624_8168625_4848677 _n.jpg


Awesome thread, I love how these are looking! Pretty much made up my mind about future plans for the Vert.. these pics are quite motivating haha :wiggle:

Wondering what size spacer you run on those CR-KAIs

[!Zar!]

Why wait for it to warm up? Just let it idle long enough to build oil pressure and drive slowly.

[dRift_g0ddess]

Wondering what size spacer you run on those CR-KAIs
20mm in front, 25mm in rear.
Got some Work Emotion 11R-FT on the way.. 18x9.5 +18 in front and 18x10.5 +22 in rear.

[roel03]

I've had a few ARC SMIC's. They work great.

But now I have an ARC Front Mount Cross Flow intercooler. Stock piping location but the benefits of a front mount.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c391/TurboDrifterZar/photo-99-1.jpg

Thats a really long cold-pipe.

[codyace]

Well when your sitting there Idling for 10-15 minutes you get 0mpg. ZERO.

And I have to warm my car up twice a day. And the PowerFC runs my AFR at [email protected] during warm up.

Let your car idle for 15 minutes then go drive with 1 gallon in your tank.

When you run dry, put another gallon in and go, dont let it idle for 15 minutes, and tell me you dont see a fairly large distance in how far you get.

Thats all I was saying.

Unless you dont let your forged pistons warm up before drive.....

I'm unsure where you're going with this, especially with the idle and MPG comments. If you let your car warm up for 15 minutes, you're only wasting fuel and your time. I typically let my car idle for 30 seconds to 1 minute before pulling out....and that's what I've done for the past 20k+ miles (even before going out on track for a session, I let it idle for a minute or so...take it easy for the first lap and then go beat on it). Same goes for anyone else I've helped build a forged motor for...and it's certainly not Nissan specific.

30 seconds to a minute, then driving it like a human for a minute or so is all you need. Once you get the oil pressure up and temp gauge moving you're set. You can easily let it idle for 15 minutes if that's what you do...I'd rather not burn fuel unnecessarily, especially at 4 dollars a gallon. That may explain why you have that issue because you (or your builder) idles it way to long(which is just as bad if that rich). My car comes up (even in winter) to 13.8-14.7 when idling/warm up.


Why wait for it to warm up? Just let it idle long enough to build oil pressure and drive slowly.

That's my mantra. Much like my (going off topic) hate on turbo timers...a complete waste of time. Just drive like a human being for the late mile, and you'll be good to go.

[codyace]

Congrats dude!

I got my KA/SR hybrid manifold in a few weeks ago.
http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm218/Razi11/0417111649.jpg
I'll get a heatshield for it soon.


I do love that OEM SR manifold :D The Heatshield will certainly help keep the look OEM

[Edwin562]

wow... Sr manifold on Ka looks graet... keep up the good work guys... lets see more pics... hopefully if time and money, i will save up and start my own Ka-t sleeper...

[EsChassisLove]

That's my mantra. Much like my (going off topic) hate on turbo timers...a complete waste of time. Just drive like a human being for the late mile, and you'll be good to go.

We agree on something lol Waste of money.

I like getting my pistons 100% expanded before driving.

And if I warm it up for a 30-60 seconds my temps might see 30* C. Thats 80* F. Not even close to fully expanded. I never drive before 55* C/130* F. And it usually takes 10 minutes. My PFC warm up tune stops at 66* C. I've been meaning to change it to 55*.

[!Zar!]

Isn't all that fuel washing down your cylinder walls not much better...

Driving your car slowly will also raise your temperature faster.

[iamtheyi]

I agree with Zar. Driving your car slowly is the best way to get temps up when you cold start the car. Having it idle for an extended period is a waste and actually creates a lot more wear on the motor.

[Tantwoforty]

thanks razi!
razi is my ka-t insperation.. i saw his car at a meet once lol

anyway, im not really going too sleeper, just wanted to spread some ka-t love around..
i may know someone with a few sidemounts, after market ones for a z32, so he has 2..

pm me if youre interested in me asking him.

[hellion240sx]

google.... less than 10 seconds... what's your excuse?

http://www.silviawa.com/gallery/albums/showroom/afp.jpg

so I'm guessing that the one on the left is the s15 andthe one on the right is the arc one. I was on a time limit that moment. haha. besides I forget about threads easily. And I typed oops caps lock in 4 seconds. I didn't think to google it actually, now that i think about it. how is it 1 am already!!! man. times flies when your on zilvia.

also found this http://www.nissansilvia.com/forums/uploads/monthly_10_2009/post-70841-12551359327771_thumb.jpg

stock s15 smic is good for 220-250 from the post I saw from mrmephistopheles

guessing the arc would be better :/

[s14j]

Love this thread. one day i shall have my Ka-t

[!Zar!]

hellion240sx, that is the same ARC that I posted, just that mine is for an s13, while that one is for an s15.

[caLi2fortee]

Good work guys! Just wanted to ask where did you guys get your ka/sr hybrid mani done?

[Slammed180]

Says on the first page.

[jdmspooge]

here's mine again. i can do the same if anyone wants. of course I'll charge you. LOL! LMK!

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a305/jdmspooge/photo2-4.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a305/jdmspooge/photo1-3.jpg

[hessianben]

i think this ^ one is the best 'looks too stock/complicated for a cop to figure out'

[!Zar!]

I beg to differ.
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/222187_2019262647236_1413997181_32348494_8185343_n .jpg

[jdmspooge]

i think this ^ one is the best 'looks too stock/complicated for a cop to figure out'

It's alot cleaner now. I had the entire engine bay completely detailed at the dealership. The pics up top were taken when i first finished it. It could be better, but I've been pulled over several times and each local auth. couldn't figure it out, so they thought it was stock LOL! let me go. Plus, my car isn't loud until WOT.

[jdmspooge]

I beg to differ.

To the untrained eye it is...

[S14kouki_10]

I want something like yours,jdmspooge!

[Flicktitty]

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/58599_1604043147008_1413997181_31615666_1617396_n. jpg
Anyone know what manifold this car has?

[Kr240sx]

From this view it looks like a JGS starter, but I could be wrong

[codyace]

We agree on something lol Waste of money.

I like getting my pistons 100% expanded before driving.

And if I warm it up for a 30-60 seconds my temps might see 30* C. Thats 80* F. Not even close to fully expanded. I never drive before 55* C/130* F. And it usually takes 10 minutes. My PFC warm up tune stops at 66* C. I've been meaning to change it to 55*.

Obviously I'm not against the warm up, but hte low RPM, high fuel ability of the low end warm up (to me) is counter productive (much like Zar has pointed out) as you're just burning fuel/blowing it into the oil.

I know with our trucks (again maybe different, but application is the same), hearing/seeing them idle is a terrible thing...it's just a way to keep the heat on or the AC col to me.

But to each their own; if it works for you, sweet. I know with me, I warm it up for 30-45 seconds in the morning, drive it normally, and go from there. It's not like track cars get 10 minute warm ups.

I beg to differ.
I agree. The bay you posted is awesome. Dead stock looking, OEM+

[hessianben]

I beg to differ.




not finished...?

[future]

There has to be more people with sleaper ka-t out there?

[!Zar!]

A coupler? That's it really.

[matts13vert]

A coupler? That's it really.

Lmao yes thats it.. totally kills the sleeper look man.

[revat619]

here's mine again. i can do the same if anyone wants. of course I'll charge you. LOL! LMK!

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a305/jdmspooge/photo2-4.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a305/jdmspooge/photo1-3.jpg

pics don't do this thing justice!!! It's ridiculously clean in person.

[jdmspooge]

pics don't do this thing justice!!! It's ridiculously clean in person.

Thanks bro! Yeah, lemme know when u want to set urs up. No charge for a homie neighbor!

[caLi2fortee]

Thanks bro! Yeah, lemme know when u want to set urs up. No charge for a homie neighbor!
Gotta admit, nicely done jdmspooge! Is that a S14 KA intake funnel that goes over your radiator support?

[90white240]

Anyone know what manifold this car has?
Looks Like it could be a gladman manifold.

[jdmspooge]

Gotta admit, nicely done jdmspooge! Is that a S14 KA intake funnel that goes over your radiator support?

Nope! Secret lol!!!

[jdmspooge]

Hopefully will be featured at wekfest.

[GroundPerformance]

Here's my friend S14 KA-T.. Definitely one of the best s14 OE looking KA-T setup out there IMO.

13321796

[GroundPerformance]

i think this ^ one is the best 'looks too stock/complicated for a cop to figure out'

The more your setup looks complicated and some things just dont feel like it should be there or looks like it even though they blend in properly will still get you a ticket to the REF Station atleast here in CALI. Most COPS will give you a REF ticket if they are unsure of what they are looking at. If you want to be sleeper then eliminate the suspicion completely.

Some key things IMO;
* Heatshield for tubular manifold ~ Hard to sell as OE because of its shape.
* FMIC Piping ~ Painted piping and Aluminum parts just gives it out.

I know it sucks but CALI is just like that.

[jamg]

anyone here running KA-T on their all original motor/internals?

contemplating it, i've got a good strong KA with roughly 150k miles on it.

[hpipro4]

original plan was stealth ka-t but i ended up with this.....
http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/8030/img0680ut.jpg (http://img200.imageshack.us/i/img0680ut.jpg/)

[Razi]

anyone here running KA-T on their all original motor/internals?

contemplating it, i've got a good strong KA with roughly 150k miles on it.
Mine is all original, except I had to change the headgasket due to the electric fan failing on me on a hot summers day.

I turbo'd it with about 160k miles on it, now I'm like 175k miles, still good.

[jamg]

Mine is all original, except I had to change the headgasket due to the electric fan failing on me on a hot summers day.

I turbo'd it with about 160k miles on it, now I'm like 175k miles, still good.
what's your driving style? boosting all the time? petal to the medal?

honestly, i think i can boost mine, and make it last.

i'll do an event maybe 1 every 6 months or so. i drive like a granny, and i take care of my car.

i'm just scared of it blowing up on me. 250torque and 230whp is my goal.

[Razi]

Haha yeah, I drive like a granny most of the time, usually keeping within the speed limits.
But, I don't mind taking it up to 4k-5k rpm, with the occasional partial throttle 5psi boost on the freeway to get up to speed quicker.

I drove it 200 miles non-stop with the A/C on a few days ago to pick up my sister from her university, it idled just as it did that afternoon when I got back.
I've done that about 3 or 4 times with this car, didn't skip a beat.

[jamg]

Razi, what's done to your KA-T?

[iamtheyi]

YO.. take your conversation elsewhere. PM each other. Don't flood this thread with your useless bs.

[attaus]

We agree on something lol Waste of money.

I like getting my pistons 100% expanded before driving.

And if I warm it up for a 30-60 seconds my temps might see 30* C. Thats 80* F. Not even close to fully expanded. I never drive before 55* C/130* F. And it usually takes 10 minutes. My PFC warm up tune stops at 66* C. I've been meaning to change it to 55*.

forged pistons.. expanded...??? ahahaha

let me guess you like to stretch out the connecting rods and studs first too bahaha

[Razi]

Razi, what's done to your KA-T?
KA/SR hybrid manifold
CXracing intercooler
Stock SR20 intake box
DIF inlet clocker
S15 T28R
EFI Specialist tune

Daily driven.
Never dyno'd it.

[GroundPerformance]

^^ Lets see it..

[Razi]

Used to look like this about 2 years ago:
http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/56/l_7975cf3373694eb9ace5d989f28c1195.jpg

Little bit more recent but I put on the SR/KA manifold on since then, and cleaned up the fuel lines a little bit:
http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm218/Razi11/IMG_2481.jpg

Bad cellphone picture of the SR/KA manifold during install:
http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm218/Razi11/0415111322.jpg

Car looks like this on the outside:
http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm218/Razi11/IMG_2289.jpg

Only time I got pulled over was for speeding. :P
The exhaust is fairly quiet too, so it doesn't get the attention of cops.

[jdmspooge]

Looks good bro! I really like it! Working on my s13.5 right now, but doing the same thing with the sr. Don't be offended by the others Razi, they're just hating coz they didnt think about how the stealth ka-t should look and they got outdone in the process. As far as my opinion, u should consider relocating your catch can and limit the amount of hose clamps installed. Your hot pipe should be one solid tube rather than stepped piping. The weld beads throw it off kinda even with black coating. Overall, I give your set up a 8.5-9 outta 10. It's impressive! If u need help with it, lemme know. Great job again!

[EsChassisLove]

forged pistons.. expanded...??? ahahaha

let me guess you like to stretch out the connecting rods and studs first too bahaha

Shut up newb. Theres a reason why the piston wall needs to have a much larger diameter than the piston itself.

Because heat makes them expand, and cold makes them contract.


Hurrrrr Ima duuurrrrr


Carry on.


Some beautiful engine bays in here. Gotta admit I'm a little jealous lol

[attaus]

on topic:

i can haz sleeper status?

http://imageshack.us/m/818/9326/img0458n.jpg

intake was being test fitted and FPR is on the front because the lines are reversed.

[yetijeff]

Used to look like this about 2 years ago:
http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/56/l_7975cf3373694eb9ace5d989f28c1195.jpg

Little bit more recent but I put on the SR/KA manifold on since then, and cleaned up the fuel lines a little bit:
http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm218/Razi11/IMG_2481.jpg

Bad cellphone picture of the SR/KA manifold during install:
http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm218/Razi11/0415111322.jpg

Car looks like this on the outside:
http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm218/Razi11/IMG_2289.jpg

Only time I got pulled over was for speeding. :P
The exhaust is fairly quiet too, so it doesn't get the attention of cops.

dude ive seen/heard your car at rcc a few times had no clue it was turbo'd. true sleeper haha

[StryfeS13]

I'm not really sure what's going on with this forged piston talk...but forged pistons do expand more than cast pistons.

Forged pistons use a different alloy(2618/4032), and yes, they do expand more...only like 15% or something, which is nothing if you put it into perspective.

With forged pistons or any race motor you should definitely wait till it gets up to operating temperature before romping on it. The expansion isn't what screws forged pistons up...it's the expansion rate. You gotta let them warm up before you romp on it.

Notice I'm not saying you have to SIT there for 10-15 minutes, but as with any motor you should let it warm up. I usually wait for like a minute and then drive slowly, shifting at like 2-3K until it's warm.

Call me an idiot, but I have had no problems ever. And everyone else I talk to about building motors, etc, will say the same thing about forged pistons.

['97 S14 SE Turbo]

That guy actually has it backwards. Imagine if he is correct, then all those OEM motors would be bad on hydrocarbon emission during start up or cold weather operation. It's in the OEM's best interest to have a piston that maintain it's dimension throughout most of it's operating range.

[Tantwoforty]

kay, back to sleepers...
make a piston thread

[jdmspooge]

kay, back to sleepers...
make a piston thread

Agreed! Back on topic guys!

[wacko2]

anybody lookin for ka24e, i got the engine off GroundPerformance, it ready to be turbo, pm me any question about the engine, there pics on the first page how the engine looks like

[future]

I just pmed you^

Text me 909-276-1926

[igreek]

I have a SR SMIC that I might be using for my setup. But, for those who have used FMIC for their setup, where did you get it from and what piping did you use?

[Razi]

I just bought a kit from CXracing for my FMIC.

[NissanEnthus]

Used to look like this about 2 years ago:
http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/56/l_7975cf3373694eb9ace5d989f28c1195.jpg

Little bit more recent but I put on the SR/KA manifold on since then, and cleaned up the fuel lines a little bit:
http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm218/Razi11/IMG_2481.jpg

Car looks like this on the outside:
http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm218/Razi11/IMG_2289.jpg

Only time I got pulled over was for speeding. :P
The exhaust is fairly quiet too, so it doesn't get the attention of cops.

Clean setup....You did an awsome job! what exhaust do you have?

[KA240SX808]

I believe an MR Type-2 Black

[matts13vert]

Most recent pic. Original Badass INC. manifold still holding up GREAT since 12/10 on a slammed s13 that drags the 3" down pipe in bumps, driveways etc! :) WELDS ARE SUPERB!!

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s234/matthsk/250588_197854093593717_100001073846338_539601_5584 002_n.jpg

[future]

^ I think I picked up a blown ka off you? I traded the piggly lip

[matts13vert]

Nope never blew a ka. Wrong guy. :( ^^

[s14unimog]

Here is mine from 2005. Mine was sleeper b/c I was broke.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v721/s14unimog/KA-Tfinallydone004.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v721/s14unimog/KA-Tfinallydone003.jpg

[future]

Was it your friend then? Cause I remember there was like 3 240s on that street. I was in long beach and I member a white vert

[S14DRFTX]

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/8782/21014517113746627762610.jpg

working ac/and cruise on haltec... low boost 17psi 410/412 torque

[KrazyS13]

^^^ While that is a very nice setup, it is far from sleeper status...haha

Pm me a dyno chart/mod list if you've got one! :)

[jdmspooge]

Mine is the best haha!!!! Just kidding! Let's keep this thread going with the ka-t sleepers!!! Loving it!

[jdmspooge]

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/8782/21014517113746627762610.jpg

working ac/and cruise on haltec... low boost 17psi 410/412 torque

You have a great setup by far sir, but this thread is about sleeper status ka-t's my friend. Your setup is harderly sleeper with all the non oem equippage!

[red&yellows14562]

did you guys paint your covers or getthem polished looks clean

[!Zar!]

That car is about as sleeper as all these cars with tubular manifolds.

Same difference honestly.

[SpeedForce_350Z]

That car is about as sleeper as all these cars with tubular manifolds.

Same difference honestly.

Are you kidding? Yeah, that big ass turbo is sleeper alright.

[Sleepiedaze]

i guess i must be old. last i heard a sleeper was a car with stock body, stock interior, and stock rims packing some massive power under the hood. a sleeper is a car that looks stock on the outside and has some goodies where it counts, under the hood. most of these cars are lowered with rims far from a sleeper.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c372/mattsmall8070/DSC01240.jpg
perfect example stock outside massive motor :)

[chiboy002]

^ that's referring to a sleeper car

sleeper ka-t would be someone who looks at it at a glance won't be able to see a turbo since its all hidden

[jdmspooge]

Let's keep to the topic of this thread haha

[GroundPerformance]

ALmost done with the basic KA-T. After this on to the next project and start a thread about "Not So SLeeper KA-T"

http://img864.imageshack.us/img864/6048/img0962u.jpg

[NissanEnthus]

ALmost done with the basic KA-T. After this on to the next project and start a thread about "Not So SLeeper KA-T"

http://img864.imageshack.us/img864/6048/img0962u.jpg

Damn that is clean! Great job......I know sleepers arent made for numbers, but what is that most that can be pushed out of a sleeper KA-T?

[GroundPerformance]

This setup is only good for 200~220whp. However using the same setup with other tricks it can go 300-350whp and still be sleeper.

things to consider;
- Same side intercooler FMIC and keep your SMIC piping setup.
- Convert your T25 to a Big T28. Now you have have T25 looking turbo but good for 350whp.
- 550cc Side feed injectors.
- Z32 MAF
- Nistune

or

I might try Water/Meth injection on this current config later on. Using a boost switch to activate at 10psi so when using boost controller no spray on stock boost but when raised past 10-12psi injection will kick in. Should be fun and still stealthy!

[Breaker]

Excellent Sleeper job. Stock airbox too. I doubt a Cali cop would even look twice.

[sr20detpl510]

I own an SR20 Notchback but Here's my brothers sleeper KA-T ......
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn158/xtc-9k/BloxOH2011Jimmys5104.jpg
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn158/xtc-9k/BloxOH2011Jimmys510.jpg

In case you were curious, here's my SR....
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn158/xtc-9k/BLOXOH2011My5103.jpg
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn158/xtc-9k/BLOXOP2011Engine.jpg

[iamtheyi]

^ lol how is that anywhere close to a sleeper ka??

[sr20detpl510]

^ lol how is that anywhere close to a sleeper ka??

Who would think a KA-T is in THAT little POS! hahaha

[future]

I'm trying to save to by a new car in a month or so but you guys are making me want to build my spare engine ):

[iamtheyi]

Who would think a KA-T is in THAT little POS! hahaha

I see what you're getting at but this thread is for setups that are low-key and sleeper. Not the car itself.

[gearhead55]

Who would think a KA-T is in THAT little POS! hahaha

me, and anyone else that has owned a 510.

the point of the thread is engine bays that look non-turbo, not cars that don't look like they would have a turbo ka in them.

super slick 510 btw.

[sr20detpl510]

I know what you are saying.
But really, what's the point?
Hide the turbo so law enforcement doesn't jump all over you?

[future]

^now you got it

[sr20detpl510]

^now you got it

Unless it's a bottom mount, most cops would know.....
I got pulled over here in Sunnyvale Calif for doing nasty donuts in an industrial
parking lot and the cop never even asked to look under the hood.
He also let me go with a warning..... :eek3d:

[future]

Sleeper = bottom mount with a t25 or 28, smic blah blah

[sr20detpl510]

Show me more guys....

[NissanEnthus]

[QUOTE=sr20detpl510;4098436]I own an SR20 Notchback but Here's my brothers sleeper KA-T ......


In case you were curious, here's my SR....
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn158/xtc-9k/BLOXOH2011My5103.jpg

Everyone has already responded but even in the state its in...I dont see why you call it a "POS" their both clean as hell....IMO a complete sleeper would also have to have the exterior to match. Less attention you bring to your car the better...in Cali at least....

[jdmspooge]

hahaha!!! you want sleeper, just look at mine! just kidding! I'm diggin those 510's

[SRTFerg]

just a thought, if you guys want to be so incognito with your setups why not run a rear mount turbo setup? Just throwing the idea out there, Ive never saw a rear mount setup on a 240 though.

[Tantwoforty]

i have a sr manifold for sale, if anyone wants to be a baller and cut it :D

[Tantwoforty]

just a thought, if you guys want to be so incognito with your setups why not run a rear mount turbo setup? Just throwing the idea out there, Ive never saw a rear mount setup on a 240 though.

its just funky to do, running oil/water lines way back there, long piping i would imagine more lag ect
plus everyone slams there 240, so idk where you would safely fit it.
not to say you couldn't do it.. but i would imagine its just not worth it in this case..

but i could be wrong

[future]

That lag would eb horrible. And if I end up going turbo you will see sleeper in full aactioon (: stock body slammed on some SEs. Smic. Nothing to be seen (:

[SRTFerg]

its just funky to do, running oil/water lines way back there, long piping i would imagine more lag ect
plus everyone slams there 240, so idk where you would safely fit it.
not to say you couldn't do it.. but i would imagine its just not worth it in this case..

but i could be wrong

Right after I posted that I thought the exact same thing. I guess then scraping your turbo would be the next trend instead of scraping downpipes... :snoop:

[GroundPerformance]

Not to mention you would have to have a separate system for oiling the turbo.. Not practical.

[Razi]

The lag won't be bad, but like everyone else said; space issue and harder plumbing.

Plus, on a bottom mount, you can barely see the turbo anyways.

[Tantwoforty]

hell yeah... turbo for sale.. light scratches on the bottom from normal driving no shaft play ect... lol

but srsly someone buy my manifold and make it into a dead sexy stealth ka one ill pretty much give it away if its for a ka-t guy ha
hell.. if you come pick it up IN your kat and bring me a cold coke and lemme fondle your car while we bullshit for a bit.. its free!
ka-t love

[future]

^down like me

Still have it? Ill pick it up. Pming you right now

[Mista Lee]

anybody local have a t25 fs?

[matts13vert]

hell yeah... turbo for sale.. light scratches on the bottom from normal driving no shaft play ect... lol

but srsly someone buy my manifold and make it into a dead sexy stealth ka one ill pretty much give it away if its for a ka-t guy ha
hell.. if you come pick it up IN your kat and bring me a cold coke and lemme fondle your car while we bullshit for a bit.. its free!
ka-t love


Muthafucken win post right here!!! i would love to fondle you for another manifold. :yum:

[future]

I tiried getting the mannie for free for my ka-t and he wasent having it lol

[matts13vert]

I tiried getting the mannie for free for my ka-t and he wasent having it lol

He's troooolllliiiinnn!!! trolllll!!!! :cops: haha :axe:

[One_love_silvia]

not an ka, but this is my buddies sleeper sr20. its crazy sleeper mode.
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e266/deathsreaper200/IMG00335-20110527-1542.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e266/deathsreaper200/IMG00331-20110527-1540.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e266/deathsreaper200/IMG00333-20110527-1541.jpg

[s14tan]

^^ Sleeper? or Stock?...

[Ithical]

It's a stock SR.

[Tantwoforty]

^^ Sleeper? or Stock?...


^isint that the same thing?

[kriss]

sleeper = cars that are modified but look stock and unsuspecting

[One_love_silvia]

No its built. It can make around 300whp I believe. He's just running it at stock boost atm cuz he's had nothing but constant problems with it. And I know its built, bcuz I watched him build it.

[Tantwoforty]

i thinnk we need a dedacated ka-t picture thread... actually... im going to make one. right now... come make it succeed please.. ill bitch at people well to keep it clean

[GroundPerformance]

sleeper = cars that are modified but look stock and unsuspecting

Exactly....:bowdown:

No its built. It can make around 300whp I believe. He's just running it at stock boost atm cuz he's had nothing but constant problems with it. And I know its built, bcuz I watched him build it.

If your friends setup is still exactly as pictured. Stock MAF, Injectors, turbo and SMIC. Highly doubt it can even make 230whp.

i thinnk we need a dedacated ka-t picture thread... actually... im going to make one. right now... come make it succeed please.. ill bitch at people well to keep it clean

I'm all for any KA-T thread.. :naughtyd:

[One_love_silvia]

If your friends setup is still exactly as pictured. Stock MAF, Injectors, turbo and SMIC. Highly doubt it can even make 230whp.



/shrug. all i know is that its got a whole grip load of shit in it from Brian crower, including (i think) stage 2 cams.

even at 230whp, couldnt that still be considered sleeper? seeing as stock hp is what? 205 at the crank?

[blingbling]

Congrats you get 24mpg.
edit-i get almost 30.

24.7 and some change on a car that pulls like a bat out of he'll im sure.....
his setup is sick, let's all mask our jealousy and try to refrain from douchey comments

[Tantwoforty]

I tiried getting the mannie for free for my ka-t and he wasent having it lol

hey man, i would have done it but your shits not running. his is! haha
i need to fondle a ka-t.
and maybe drive it around the block
and maybe get like.. one little pull in....
maybe..
haha

[future]

That's why your going to help me tare down my block and get it ready for the machine shop (:

Last time I tried I couldn't pry the head off so I got irritated and gave up lol

[Razi]

Clean setup....You did an awsome job! what exhaust do you have?
Thanks!
It's a custom setup, 3" piping with resonator and dual tip Magnaflow muffler.

[Tantwoforty]

Not to dickride.
but
Razi is the first 240 guy i met at a meet.
and he has the cleanest KA-T ive ever seen
he is why i fell in love with ka-t
lol

now all of you go love all over my ka-t thread
gogo post post
razi i know you wanna slather your hotness there to...

[NemeGuero]

this is the gayest thread ever. S14unimog showed you all how to do it like 6 years ago. Use the search

[Razi]

Not to dickride.
but
Razi is the first 240 guy i met at a meet.
and he has the cleanest KA-T ive ever seen
he is why i fell in love with ka-t
lol

now all of you go love all over my ka-t thread
gogo post post
razi i know you wanna slather your hotness there to...
Hahaha, I love you too bro.
:ghey:

[!Zar!]

Why are people talking about gas mileage?

Zilprius.net or what

[GroundPerformance]

haha.. Maybe someone should start a Gas Mileage thread,, LOL

[rob22]

buy me kit!
http://zilvia.net/f/sale-items/393165-t25-ka-t-kit-part-out.html

[ddf2006]

hey does anyone know a good place to get (or know someone with whos willing to sell) the oil sensor T-fitting to run a oil feedline, feed line, and t25 fittings as a set?

[GroundPerformance]

hey does anyone know a good place to get (or know someone with whos willing to sell) the oil sensor T-fitting to run a oil feedline, feed line, and t25 fittings as a set?

Sent you a PM.

[One_love_silvia]

thread resurrection!

just wondering how reliable these sleeper ka-t's are.

[Razi]

I daily drive mine.
Even with the occasional 200 mile round trip to San Diego and back.

Just make sure all your systems are in good condition.

[!Zar!]

They are as reliable as the tune and the mileage on them.

[240cracker]

i have a question.. building a sleeper ka right now.

if i use s15 smic how much power can i get out of it?

also...
how the hell are u guys all running stock radiators??

i made 260 on my last ka-t and that thing would over heat within minuts at the track. fine on daily slow driving..

i had to buy after market

[Johnny_K]

^ from this link 200WHP.

www.ka-t.org :: View topic - Sticky: DOHC Turbo For Dummies (http://www.ka-t.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6263&start=0)

[!Zar!]

But he hasn't even posted up a setup.

How can anyone comment on how much power one will make?

[ManoNegra]

i have a question.. building a sleeper ka right now.

if i use s15 smic how much power can i get out of it?

also...
how the hell are u guys all running stock radiators??

i made 260 on my last ka-t and that thing would over heat within minuts at the track. fine on daily slow driving..

i had to buy after market

Just to be clear, you don't get power out of an IC
S15 sidemount are good for ~250hp
if you can track down an ARC S15 sidemount, those are said to be able to support ~300hp

[GroundPerformance]

i have a question.. building a sleeper ka right now.

if i use s15 smic how much power can i get out of it?

also...
how the hell are u guys all running stock radiators??

i made 260 on my last ka-t and that thing would over heat within minuts at the track. fine on daily slow driving..

i had to buy after market

S15 Core should be good just around 250whp. I'm sure you can squeeze some more but it would just start having heatsoak issues. A friend of mine made about 260whp on his S14 KAT running Greddy turbo and Blitz SMIC core.

Definitely an aftermarket radiator will be best for track no doubt about it. But since it's sleeper setup the OE looking will be better mostly for just a street car and some track. Besides most of this setup run SMIC so there is no FMIC on the front that minimize the airflow to the radiator. Certain cheap FMIC cores are also known to have very bad restriction on the fin design that causes car to overheat since it was practically robbing flow to the radiator.

[240cracker]

But he hasn't even posted up a setup.

How can anyone comment on how much power one will make?

doesnt matter what set up. im saying what is the maximum power a side mount s15 can handle.

i think im going to try n track down one of those arc ones then...

i want the most power possible with a stealth looking set up. trying to make a daily/track 240

since the one i have now just sits around witing for track days cuz im 2 scared to drive it on the streets anymore.

one more question ground: this might have answered it already but can you run ac with sr style ka-t set ups? i want that too..

[hartig]

one more question ground: this might have answered it already but can you run ac with sr style ka-t set ups? i want that too..

..well if there is no intercooler in the way of your a/c components, then yes. depends on how YOU make the setup..

[GroundPerformance]

Most bottom mount setup clears AC with no issues. Just need to put in consideration the placement of the turbo drain bung so that the compressor is not on way of the oil return hose. GL!

[GroundPerformance]

You can also run RB style FMIC setup and keep the engine bay piping as the stock SR Piping. This will give you the OE look engine bay with FMIC config. only drawback is the extended piping. I'm sure with a decent spooling turbo this should not be an issue.

http://img.240sxupgrades.com/images/godspeed/rbick_1.jpg

[rcdad123]

I know we have threads regarding chassis and engine bays. I figure start one specifically for Stealth KA-T setups. This is all about being sleeper status regardless of how much HP your making. Hopefully this will be able to help future KA-T guys. Quick specs are optional just pics. Enjoy..!!


http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/222187_2019262647236_1413997181_32348494_8185343_n .jpg

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/61376_1632315773806_1413997181_31678151_5088418_n. jpg

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/58599_1604043147008_1413997181_31615666_1617396_n. jpg

i love the single cam set up. are those stock sr20 piping? so freaking stealth.

[mikemontanti]

http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss227/michael_montanti/100_0641.jpg

i love sleeper status...my car is not all that sleeper on the outside but under the hood it does not look all that...mostly stock haha.

[s13 @ fullboost]

Yeah having a top mount is super stealth yo

[mikemontanti]

i mean the only thing that is not a stock appearance as far as the motor goes is the turbo and piping...but i guess your right...i do wish i was a little more sleeper though

[waxball88]

i love sleeper status...my car is not all that sleeper on the outside but under the hood it does not look all that...mostly stock haha.
Damn bro sleeper as fuck........:cj:
Post it in the KA-T pic thread.

[mikemontanti]

ok so because i dont have a sidemount ic and a bottom mount turbo i am not considered sleeper...not taking into account the rest of the engine and engine bay (minus egay radiator) is completely stock. ok i guess...i personally dont think it looks like a 400 horse engine setup. but maybe thats just me...haha...but to each his own...:)

[allntrlundrgrnd]

You have a top mount with no filter and a bright pink valve color.

Wrong thread, dude.

[mikemontanti]

eh i guess so huh

[KA240SX808]

Revival....


Has any one used the S14 Cold Pipe on a KA-T Sidemount setup?
Looking for pics at how it fits.

[ship2236]

ok so because i dont have a sidemount ic and a bottom mount turbo i am not considered sleeper...not taking into account the rest of the engine and engine bay (minus egay radiator) is completely stock. ok i guess...i personally dont think it looks like a 400 horse engine setup. but maybe thats just me...haha...but to each his own...:)

Tell us your definition of a sleeper? Don't u think a sleeper would be like all the rest posted where the piping is close to STOCK and the biggest reason to go sleeper is so the turbo(that shiny china thing u have clear as day) cannot be seen when the hood is popped wether it be for law enforcement purposes or just wanting that look of being stock? Lmao.

[oscarsx]

I have a feeling my s13 engine bay will never look this clean -_-

[KA240SX808]

Well I hope to have mine posted in here before the end of the year.
Only thing I'm not sure I'll have is the air box.

Also looks like I'll be the only one rocking a S14 SMIC Setup also. I see everyone in here is rocking the 13 Cold pipe which I know for a good reason.

We'll see.

[matts13vert]

Original Badass Inc. manifold still holding up great! Been on my car for over a year now, with no cracks or leaks of any sort.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/168023_163857760326684_1661089_n.jpg

Just recently did a full build on my KA, will be pushing out 400whp in a few months. :)

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/523023_360684223977369_100001073846338_1011486_929 296463_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/535197_360684340644024_100001073846338_1011494_189 7172161_n.jpg

RB flywheel, 350z stg 3 clutch.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/579318_360684443977347_100001073846338_1011502_134 1985430_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/536516_360684503977341_100001073846338_1011505_127 730661_n.jpg

[sex14]

what turbo manifold are u using? i like the setup.

[sex14]

working on my ka-t setup on my 200sx :D

[matts13vert]

what turbo manifold are u using? i like the setup.

Bad Ass Inc, SR/KA hybrid manifold.

Check out my thread for pics.
http://zilvia.net/f/chat/358251-matts13verts-socal-dream-super-stock-ka-t-setup-sr-exhaust-manifold-used.html

[codyace]

They are as reliable as the tune and the mileage on them.

Truf.

Heck I turbocharged my 210,000 mile Altima and it was great for almost 20,000...only reason it even blew up was my brother decided to crank the boost controller one night when I was overseas...what a fun little 240-250 whp car.

[future]

Pictures of said altima cody

[codyace]

Here's a nice sleeper KA setup for you guys that we recently did


http://www.codyace.com/albums/album461/katosr1.sized.jpg

http://www.codyace.com/albums/album461/katosr2.sized.jpg


SR manifold, KA flange (from Mazworx) for our (new) good friend Abdon. It came out SUPER slick. External wastegate may distract, but it is what it is. We can easily do these without that wastegate flange too :D

[matts13vert]

Yes a huge wastegate sitting right on top of the manifold may look out of place lol

I am considering going to you if i decide to go external wastegate, but is there any other location on the manifold to place the wastegate?

[codyace]

Yes a huge wastegate sitting right on top of the manifold may look out of place lol

Just tell the ref's it's the EGR :D LOL



I am considering going to you if i decide to go external wastegate, but is there any other location on the manifold to place the wastegate?

That location is really the best as you can vent from all cylinders there, as well as it being on a meaty part of the manifold. WHere were you thinking of placing it?

[Brandon.]

KA flange (from Mazworx)

Does Mazworx sell the flange separately? I didn't see it on their site.

thanks.

[KA240SX808]

KA24DE - Fabrication Materials - Mazworx (http://www.mazworx.com/product/fabrication-materials/flanges/exhaust-manifold/nissan/ka24de)

[Brandon.]

I guess I'm blind.

I appreciate it.

[Om1kron]

Just tell the ref's it's the EGR :D LOL

Turbo KA would immediately fail ref regardless anyway, no street legal carb approved turbo kits for KA in Cali.

[GroundPerformance]

Well I hope to have mine posted in here before the end of the year.
Only thing I'm not sure I'll have is the air box.

Also looks like I'll be the only one rocking a S14 SMIC Setup also. I see everyone in here is rocking the 13 Cold pipe which I know for a good reason.

We'll see.

S14 SMIC setup has been down awhile back and fits just like stock as it should be... My friend Jonathan setup. Were both leaving the sleeper setup and now running the not so sleeper status..

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/224054_2019448131873_1413997181_32348737_7293123_n .jpg

[Matej]

It would be neat to run turbo piping through the stock KA intake and hide the SMIC in/under the airbox. A blow-through MAF setup would make it easier, since there would only need to be one pipe going from under the stock manifold shield to the SMIC/airbox area, and it could probably be hidden well enough among the power-steering equipment.

[GroundPerformance]

It would be neat to run the piping through the stock KA intake and hide the SMIC in/under the airbox. Running a blow-through MAF setup would make it easier, because there would only need to be one pipe going from under the stock manifold shield to the SMIC, and it could probably be hidden well enough among the power-steering equipment.


Keyword in doing a sleeper setup is simple. It's not about you making things like pipings and others disappear by routing them any other way. The idea would be to make them look as if it belongs there and should be there like OE.

[atom]

It would be neat to run turbo piping through the stock KA intake and hide the SMIC in/under the airbox. A blow-through MAF setup would make it easier, since there would only need to be one pipe going from under the stock manifold shield to the SMIC/airbox area, and it could probably be hidden well enough among the power-steering equipment.

Just sold all my top mount turbo junk last month and I kinda have the same idea in my head right now. I'm gonna reuse my old ebay CAI as a cold pipe, buy a S13 hot pipe, and try to see if I can get an upgraded Jetta/Golf intercooler mounted somewhere under the stock airbox.

Like one of these ebay joints

eBay - New & used electronics, cars, apparel, collectibles, sporting goods & more at low prices (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-2002-2003-2004-2005-Side-Mount-Intercooler-1-8T-VW-Jetta-Golf-2-5-/170824986736?fits=Make:Volkswagen|Model:Jetta&hash=item27c5f67070&item=170824986736&pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr)

[matts13vert]

It would be neat to run turbo piping through the stock KA intake and hide the SMIC in/under the airbox. A blow-through MAF setup would make it easier, since there would only need to be one pipe going from under the stock manifold shield to the SMIC/airbox area, and it could probably be hidden well enough among the power-steering equipment.

Currently being done for my new setup.

[KA240SX808]

S14 SMIC setup has been down awhile back and fits just like stock as it should be... My friend Jonathan setup. Were both leaving the sleeper setup and now running the not so sleeper status..

Hmm, I believe I worded that's wrong. I meant as far as the ones that have been posted in this thread up until now.
How does the TB coupler fit?
I was concerned about that part mostly because the S14 TB/Intake Manifold placement puts it in a place similar to a SOHC KA.

[Frankiegamer]

clean set ups!!
planning to join you guys soon...
now whos running a KA-T sleeper set up with stock exhaust for the ultimate sleeper?! lol

[s13Kurt]

Is this a jdm sr air box or the stock KA? same question for the intake pipe. Need to know so I can make a WTB. I plan on using a godspeed 18g and 550's with a same side in/out IC core too try and get past 300 whp.

[GroundPerformance]

clean set ups!!
planning to join you guys soon...
now whos running a KA-T sleeper set up with stock exhaust for the ultimate sleeper?! lol

Run a modified OE Subaru STI Exhaust. Most of the catback piping will work with minor modification. If this OE Exhaust system is good enough for a 300hp STI motor then should be fine for a basic 200hp KA-T.

Is this a jdm sr air box or the stock KA? same question for the intake pipe. Need to know so I can make a WTB. I plan on using a godspeed 18g and 550's with a same side in/out IC core too try and get past 300 whp.

Should work just fine as you planned.