BadazzSr20
04-02-2011, 07:44 PM
hey guys,
im new to this 97 240sx. i want to put the nice big break kit on the car. i heard that the 350z break kit is a direct bolt on. i dont no caus ei have no clue on this.
i do know i want to put them nice nissan calipors on my car with a bigger rotor. so what is a direct bolt on that i can use to do this. i want front and rears so what am i able to use?
thanks guys.
tqstarburst
04-02-2011, 07:56 PM
Umm...okay well before anyone comes and talks shit to you for not searching..ill go ahead and be nice. There are many options you can go with,but it really depends on what your looking for or if you track your car or not. Here read this.
240SX Brake Upgrades:
Brakes upgrades for the 240sx are a relatively easy modification, as pretty much all the brakes from the bigger and faster Nissans bolt right on. Skylines, Infinity Q45’s, 300ZX...all their brake calipers bolt on with as little modification as cutting away the heat shields, and in some cases, replacing the brake lines (it’s recommended that you use steel braided lines, such as Goodridge) And for those of you with 4-lug 240’s, you’ll need to get the rotors re-drilled to fit...but that’s as complicated as it gets.
The brake swap that’s most common is the Z32 brakes from the 300ZX. These are better because they’re bigger (11 inch rotors that are 30mm thick) and because the calipers are of the 4-Piston variety...not wimpy 1 piston sliding calipers like the stock ones. See below for instructions/pricing on this upgrade...
Another GREAT upgrade is the Q45 brakes offered by Nissan Motorsports as their "240sx Big Brake Upgrade". These are thought to be less exotic (but are usually less expensive), but more people go for the 300ZX swap. I like the Q45 swap better, so I those on thge front (and now Z32 brake son the rear to match...hehe). The Q’s calipers are a 2-piston sliding design, and the rotor is almost identical to the 300ZX at 1.1inches thick and 11 inches in diameter. The larger pads have about 40% more surface area, and the two pistons will give about 25% more clamping force for the same amount of pedal pressure - So these are a lot stronger than stock...not to mention better heat capacity, fade resistance, etc...
You can buy the Q45 set up as a package (from Nissan Motorsports (310)538-2610 – Price: $900), or you can go to any Infinity dealership and order the parts you need...You’ll be hard pressed to find a Q45 in the junk yard, but after a month or searching, I did...
300ZX Front Brake Swap
What you need to know:
There are different calipers and different rotor sizes for the Normally Aspirated and Turbo Models...
The calipers come in Aluminum and Cast Iron, and the rotors are either 26mm or 30mm thick.
See the chart below for the year and size differences...
Wheel clearance is something BIG to consider: 4-piston calipers extend out from the spindle much farther than the stock brakes...I’ve heard of many people with nice, light aftermarket wheels having to buy new ones after getting bigger brakes... Using wheels that will fit a 300ZX is good enough to know they will clear the calipers, but the offset/backspacing may be such that the tires will rub the struts when you turn the wheel. There is no definite answer here, but most 16-inch and larger aftermarket wheels with the proper offset for a 240sx **should** work.
When putting 300ZX brakes on your 240sx, you’ll need new brake lines...the fittings on the calipers are different for the Z brakes. The thread/pitch/style of the fittings for the 300ZX NA/TT front calipers are:
For the caliper side: 10mm X .1mm - Male - INVERTED METRIC FLARE
For the chassis side: 10mm X .1mm - Female - INVERTED METRIC FLARE
You can buy SS lines from PDM Racing, or have some made if you like...or you can uyse the 300ZX lines IF you get the rubber line AND the hard line that goes to the calpir... you will need both pieces per side to make this work.
Remember to re-use your stock caliper bolts, as the 300ZX bolts are longer and will hit the back side of the rotor.
There are 2 good ways to do this swap:
1) Order it up from PDM Racing, and you’ll get rebuilt calipers (powdercoated black), new cross-drilled rotors, high quality pads, and new stainless steel lines…all for the low-low price of $1000!!!
www.pdm-racing.com (http://www.pdm-racing.com/)
2) Or you can hunt your local junkyards for parts - Here's the breakdown on the various 300ZX calipers/rotors over the years, according to Nissan Motorsports:
Non-Turbo calipers, rotors: Turbo calipers, rotors: Up to 7/90 – Aluminum, 26mm rotors Up to 6/92 - Aluminum, 30mm rotors 8/90 to 3/92 - Aluminum, 30mm rotors 7/92 to 1996 - Cast Iron, 30mm rotors 4/92 to 1996 - Cast Iron, 30mm rotors
Keep in mind that weight is a big factor here, being that it is un-sprung and rotating mass...but it is a necessary evil. Bigger, heavier rotors can absorb more heat, thereby allowing your brakes to remain effective for a longer time...
Stock 240SX 300ZX Turbo Slyline GT-R (R34) Infiniti Q45 Rotor Diameter: 10 inch 11 inch 11.6 inch 11 inch Rotor Thickness: 18mm 30mm 32mm 28mm Rotor Weight: 12.5 lbs 17.5 lbs 19 lbs 17.5 lbs Caliper Type: 1-piston sliding 4-piston fixed 4-piston fixed 2-piston sliding Caliper Weight: 9.5 lbs 6.5 lbs (alum), 10lbs (iron) 6.5 lbs 11 lbs
A website with more detailed info that this, plus better pics for brake upgrades...is "Importnut.net". Click the link below:
The Definitive 300ZX Brake Swap Paqe (http://importnut.net/300zxbrakeswap.htm)
Other options for stopping faster are:
High Performance Brake Pads:
There are many high performance pads available for the 240sx, and most are well worth the higher price compared to auto parts store OEM replacement pads...and OEM pads will probably cost the same or more than the best high performance pads. (Axxis Metal Masters pads are excellent for the street/track, as are EBC Green Compound and Hawk Pads...)
Changes in Brake Fluid:
Stock 240’s must use DOT 3 fluid or better, which isn’t bad, but to avoid fluid boil at high temperatures after lots of hard braking, use a fluid that exceeds DOT 3 and DOT 4 specification, such as Castrol GT-LMA or Ford High Performance Brake Fluid.
I actually prefer and use Valvoline Synthetic fluid...
(NOTE: On a street car, DOT 5 Silicone fluid is overkill...It’s virtually impossible to remove all the air from the brake lines due to the properties of silicone, it’s incompatible with regular fluids, and you may have to change all your rubber seals, etc...You will regret using it)
Cross Drilled / Slotted Brake Rotors:
There are many advantages in buying performance-oriented rotors...specifically less fade under repeated hard braking. Cross Drilled rotors also help out in the rain by wicking the water out from between the pad and the rotor. Slotted Rotors (most of which are also available cross drilled) help even more under extra-hard braking by allowing the release of gasses that form between the pad and rotor (which effectively push the pad away from the rotor...) thus allowing the pad to stay in constant, even contact with the rotor.
Infiniti Q45 Brake Upgrade
The ’90-’96 Infiniti Q45 is a V-8 powered 4100 pound beast requiring LARGE brake to stop it safely.
Luckily for 240sx owners, these big brakes bolt right on - all you have to do is remove the heat shield.
Q45 brake calipers have 2-pistons (43mm each compared to a single 54mm piston on the stock calipers), the rotors are 11 inches in diameter and 28mm thick, the larger pads have about 40% more surface area, and the two pistons will give you about 25% more clamping force compared to the stock brakes...
http://www.ka24development.com/file_images/Q45_brakes.jpg
When I decided to do a brake upgrade, I was lucky enough to find a wrecked 1995 Q45 in the junk yard with very low miles. I thought that it was best to use new rotors, and I found the price for OEM replacement rotors were so close to the price of Powerslot rotors, I chose to buy high performance.
Why did I choose this over the 300ZX brake upgrade? Mainly because of the lower cost of the calipers. Pads and new rotors (especially high performance rotors) will cost about the same with either setup.
...and with the Q45 calipers you can use your stock brake lines - Another part of the lower cost.
As far as stopping power, fade resistance, etc... I would put these up against the 300ZX brakes any day. (I have driven track events with these coupled with Z32 rears and have had NO fade). 4 piston fixed calipers from the Z will feel firmer at speed (especially with the required new SS lines), and look "cooler" because the Nissan logo is painted on the side...but if you believe form follows function and/or you want to do something different, this is a perfect way to go.
NOTE: As of 2008, I switched to Z32 brakes all around, for better pad selection. I outgrew the compounds available for the Q45 front brakes with more power, bigger tracks, and harder driving. This info still applies, but I thought this needed to be noted here.
Installation Instructions:
Tools you’ll need:
Deep well sockets - 12mm, 19mm
Torque Wrench
Brake Fluid - You must use DOT 3 or better, I chose Castrol GT-LMA (exceeds DOT3 and DOT 4 specs...)
Catch Can - FOr bleeding the brakes - Coffee can is perfect...
Clear Plastic Tubing (1/4 inch - Ithink)
Tin Snips (to remove the heat shield)
A couple feet of rope - Used to hold the old caliper out of the way...
How long will it take?
This was my first time doing a brake swap, and it took me and a friend 2.5 hours from start to test drive, including cleanup.
Where do I start?
Jack up the front of the car, and support it on jack stands.
Remove the front wheels, and place them aside.
Remove either caliper from the spindle by removing the two 19mm bolts on the back of the caliper.
Tie the caliper to the strut to keep it out of the way until you’re ready to change the line from the old caliper to the new one...
Remove the old rotor by tapping it gently from the back, or use a bolt in the hole that's drilled/tapped in the rotor near the lug holes...
Now’s the fun part - Removing the heat shield. You can get a large pair of tin snips, or use a cutting wheel, but whatever you do, don’t damage the hub, and if you have ABS, be sure you don’t damage the sensor or its mount.
Now your ready to begin the install:
Put the new rotor on the hub and use a couple of lug nuts to hold it in place.
Place the new caliper (loaded with new pads) onto the spindle and bolt it in place. Tighten to 75 ft/lbs.
Unbolt the brake hose from the old caliper by removing the 12mm nut and the copper washer.
Quickly place the line on the new caliper (don’t lose the copper washer) and tighten to spec. You will lose some brake fluid...
Remember how harmful brake fluid is to paint - It destroys it on contact!!!
Untie the old caliper from the strut and place it aside...
Check to see if the new caliper slides freely, and that the new rotor spins freely.
Now you’re done with one side. Do the other side, and bleed the brakes, making sure to keep the master cylinder full (Start with the caliper farthest from the master cylinder - the left rear...)
Be sure to bed the pads! This means that before you test your new brakes, you need to go out of your driveway, accelerate to 60mph, gently apply pressure to the brake pedal until you slow to 5mph, then accelerate to 60 again, brake slowly, etc... Repeat this procedure at least 10 times...the pads should smoke and burn off all the molding agents, etc...used in making them.
Drive gently on your new rotors for the first 500 miles to break them in - After that, go out and amaze you friends with your new stopping power!!! (haha)
97nismo
04-02-2011, 08:38 PM
and car brakes r spelled brakes not breaks!!!!!!!!!!!!
and 300zx brakes are direct bolt on and 350z are not i believe thinking u gotta redrill the spindle to 14mm rather than 12mm
good luck
Sileighty_85
04-02-2011, 08:39 PM
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KiLLeR2001
04-02-2011, 09:13 PM
Someone ban tqstarburst for being too nice.
Okinawandrifter87
04-02-2011, 10:19 PM
About to be pinked for giving out community secrets...lol.
Michael Nolan
04-02-2011, 11:07 PM
I hear break kits aren't good for your car. I hope you meant brake. ;)
hellion240sx
04-02-2011, 11:31 PM
tqstarburst ... wow, applause for you lol.
AdrenalineS14
04-03-2011, 01:58 PM
LOL..... anyways if you wanna be kinda fancy and have a little $$$ to spend you can roll with evo or subby brembo calipers you just need to get custom brackets made theres a few companys that sell custom brackets but dont remember who though. Pretty damn good braking power.
tqstarburst
04-03-2011, 02:56 PM
haha,i was really really tempted to open my mouth and talk shit to this guy...but for some reason i decided not to lol.
omgRWDgoodness!
04-03-2011, 03:42 PM
haha,i was really really tempted to open my mouth and talk shit to this guy...but for some reason i decided not to lol.
Same here, lol. Perhaps it's because he's "older" and from my area.
NissanEnthus
04-08-2011, 09:36 AM
No response from OP....?? All this talk about talkin crap on him scared him off..haha....I just did the 300ZX swap on mine straight bolt on....except you need to cut the dust shields....now all I need to upgrade is the master cylinder...
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