So, hypothetically...

[JeffNJ]

If your car, let's just say, hypothetically, tilted a little too much around turns (which, I must say, I don't remember my 240 ever doing, but if it did) you would put in anti-sway bars, right?

Which would you use?  Whiteline?  Or someone else?  Why?  Thanks.  =)

[JeffNJ]

And while we're on the subject, what if you thought your car didn't stop fast enough?  =)

[BadMoJo]

well, i would say sell &quot;this car&quot; and buy a 240! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

[twofortysx]

Are we putting these in a Honda or a Nissan? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

And I would look at a brand like Weapon -R (Honda and I think they make these) or DC Sports (Also for my honda).

You could also stiffen the shocks and springs.

[ffdet]

Never buy anything from Weapon R. That's a motto I live my life by. Ricer crap for and from people who don't care about quality.

Sway bars/struts/springs will solve the lean. Get some good pads and SS brake lines and you'll like your brakes. If you have a lot of money, upgrade to a larger brake system.

(Edited by ffdet at 3<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>1 pm on Feb. 7, 2002)

[twofortysx]

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Never buy anything from Weapon R. That's a motto I live my life by. Ricer crap for and from people who don't care about quality.

Sway bars/struts/springs will solve the lean. Get some good pads and SS brake lines and you'll like your brakes. If you have a lot of money, upgrade to a larger brake system.

(Edited by ffdet at 3<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>1 pm on Feb. 7, 2002)
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Are you insinuating that I am a ricer or that I don't care about quality? &nbsp;Maybe you should edit your post as to not make it so general.

I have known people with Weapon R that were happy with the parts. &nbsp;Did you have a bad experience or have you formed an assumption?

[DJ Machine]

considering that 99% of what Weapon R sells is &quot;accessories&quot;...that doesn't say a lot about their products

Weapon R is overpriced crap, plain and simple.

[ca18guy]

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Never buy anything from Weapon R. That's a motto I live my life by. Ricer crap for and from people who don't care about quality.

Sway bars/struts/springs will solve the lean. Get some good pads and SS brake lines and you'll like your brakes. If you have a lot of money, upgrade to a larger brake system.

(Edited by ffdet at 3<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>1 pm on Feb. 7, 2002)
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Are you insinuating that I am a ricer or that I don't care about quality? Maybe you should edit your post as to not make it so general.

I have known people with Weapon R that were happy with the parts. Did you have a bad experience or have you formed an assumption?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

I think he's &quot;insinuating&quot; that there are better quality parts out there besides Weapon R.

[HippoSleek]

Jeff - if I were you... err... some unspecified individual who might have a Honda...err. &nbsp;The front sway should be sufficient on the 5th gen chassis (do you know if it is short like the hatch? &nbsp;Just curious.). &nbsp;

What you really need is either the Comptech rear sway + lower tie combo (about $300), the GroundControl rear sway (about $240?), or a Suspension Techniques (if you are feeling poor). &nbsp;All three are awesome (CT is the best, then GC, then ST... IIRC, the CT requires Del Sol lower arms b/c of the mounting plate - double check that. &nbsp;Any of these would make a world of difference and you get to hike a rear wheel in tight turns like a DTM GTI <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

Stopping? &nbsp;Get some good pads like Hawk HPs. &nbsp;They'll be plenty for the street. &nbsp;Does your car have 4w disks or rear drums? &nbsp;Either way, b/c of the bias, the Hawks will shorten it up nicely on the street.

[240sxtreme]

if you're suspension is stock....start there. &nbsp; there's a lot of combo's for spring/shock combo.....I'm using H&amp;R springs and Tociko. or if you feel like going extreme, Apexi N1's. (I've heard this is very bad for street though)

also, for sway bars (which will really help), I'm planning on whiteline from PDM....I've heard good things.

for breaks, in about 2 weeks (as soon as I get a check in the mail), I'll be getting brembo rotors, SS brake lines and I haven't chosen pads yet...probably use whatever Don's using at PDM.

Also for brakes....if you want maximum stopping power...I've heard that the 300z brakes is the way to go.

[twofortysx]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from ca18guy on 2:43 pm on Feb. 7, 2002
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Never buy anything from Weapon R. That's a motto I live my life by. Ricer crap for and from people who don't care about quality.

Sway bars/struts/springs will solve the lean. Get some good pads and SS brake lines and you'll like your brakes. If you have a lot of money, upgrade to a larger brake system.

(Edited by ffdet at 3<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>1 pm on Feb. 7, 2002)
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Are you insinuating that I am a ricer or that I don't care about quality? Maybe you should edit your post as to not make it so general.

I have known people with Weapon R that were happy with the parts. Did you have a bad experience or have you formed an assumption?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

I think he's &quot;insinuating&quot; that there are better quality parts out there besides Weapon R.
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I'm curious as to why you qouted it that way. I do appreciate you missing the point of what &nbsp;I was saying though.

Should I have used a smaller word?

[240racer]

I would lower the center of gravity if possible. &nbsp;Lower the weight of the car as much as possible. &nbsp;Raise the spring rate a little and then drive it again. &nbsp;After that I would use anti-roll bars to get the car balanced on a skid pad and then I would make sure my springs were stiff enough again. &nbsp;When all the steady state testing is done it's time to move on to dynamic stuff. &nbsp;This is where you adjust the dampers so you have good balence going in and out of turns.

Adam

[LanceS13]

whoa there twofortysx...I think you're reading too far into it, dude.

240racer....good stuff, but JeffNJ isn't exactly known for taking his car on the track.

Jeff, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say this hypothetical car is your Sol...and that you want to retain the comfort of the stock suspension. &nbsp;Sway bars would be good for this. &nbsp;Ideally, they should be supplements to the springs, but they can improve handling on their own...and they won't cause the ride to be as harsh as if you had higher rate springs. &nbsp;Of course, it won't handle as well with just bars, but you know....tradeoffs.

[240racer]

well I thought I would err on the performance side instead of the rice side. &nbsp;
Hey JeffNJ why don't you take your sol to the track. &nbsp;I haven't driven one, but I would assume they would be pretty nice. &nbsp;I suppose they might be a little more suited to autocross cause they are nice and small, but they should work on the track darn good too.

Adam

[White240sx]

Sway bars if you want to take out lean. They work to effectively increase your spring rate when the car leans and thus are the ultimate suspension modification when it comes to price and performance. Springs and shocks will help in the corners but they will do most of their work during braking and accelerating where the load shifts fore and aft. Also, get some chassis reinforcement for that floppy Sol;)

As for stopping, get a good set of tires(C&amp;D knocked off 17 feet on the trip down from 70mph just by putting on S-03 Pole Positions on their IS300). Try and look for some wider wheels too, I think 195's are as wide as you can get on the stock alloys (14x5.5?), shoot for some 15x7's with 215 or 225 rubber. I've never read anything positive about the Sol brakes, so it's not like you are gonna have massive braking potential.

[tnord]

honda isn't known for their brakes on pretty much all of their cars, i think white240 is right about the tires, that will probably be the most cost effective and logical way to improve braking, some pads will eat at you're rotars, and possibly make all kinds of nasty noises, here's another thought.......make the car lighter, i know that's tough on a del sol, but weight reductin improves handling, braking, and acceleration, take out the AC and make use of that targa top you have, rip the carpets out, remove the spare, get some lightweight wheels with those tires, get rid of the power steering system, get a lightweight batter and put it in the trunk (if it's not already there)........just some ideas

[Archangel]

BTW Jeff, Whiteline doesn't make anything for Hondas to the best of my knowledge.
One of a few companies who can claim that.

Don't be ashamed of owning a Honda. They're good cars with alot of potential if they're done right.
(Still isn't a Nissan though) :wink:

[thewholefnshow]

IF you are leaning too much maybe your stock suspension is just getting worn out period... next thing you know your car will handle like Uncle Bucks (that caddie was funny as ####) You could have some worn bushings whatever. In my humble opinion, you should go and import and s15 silvia, and spend 30grand in modifications, and nver worry about suspension again... oh yah, and you will be the coolest kid on the board too.

[JeffNJ]

thewholefnshow, I appreciate your advice considerably, and look forward to the proud day when I can be &quot;the coolest kid on the board&quot;, but for some reason, my six numbers never seem to come up on the same days.

Archangel, I noticed (before posting here) that Whiteline only makes a rear strut bar for the Honda, stating the stock front one is just fine. I definately took note of that, silently tipping my preverbial hat to the engineers.

tnord, yeah, I have heard the brakes on this car get slammed elsewhere for being inadequate. I really don't know why it's so tough to slow this thing down though - it's not like it weighs all that much. The tires on it now are nice performance ones, so I won't be replacing them anytime soon, but I will try better pads.

LanceS13, thanks for remembering what I use my car for. Yeah, it is my daily driver, so I am looking for something comfortable. But, I'm also someone who considers &quot;responsive&quot; to be comfortable. I think the bars would be just enough, and the springs would be too much, like you said.

240racer, I havn't taken my Sol to the track for a few reasons. The biggest is that I've only owned it a month, so I'm still adapting to driving it (as it is to being driven by me). Also, even when I owned my 240 (for two years), I never took it to the track even though I really wanted to. I loved the way that car accelerated, stopped, and cornered - I mean, loved it - but just never got around to actually heading out to a track.

I just like something I can cruise around in comfortably, and squeeze some performance out of when and where I want/need it. Driving's just something fun for me. And, the more a car can keep up with driver input, the more fun it is.

I actually just put strut-tower braces in front and back (because they were cheap and easy) and they have helped give the car a firmer (day I say &quot;240-like&quot;) feel. &nbsp;Going forward, the shocks and springs I predict I will leave as is, but after reading this entire thread, I'm convinced I'm definately getting an anti-sway bar in the back and some new pads all around. I guess now it just comes to which of the many brands you all recommended I should actually go with. =)

[JeffNJ]

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well, i would say sell &quot;this car&quot; and buy a 240! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>
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LOL. &nbsp;Thanks for the advice, and I'll give you kudos for this post; it definately made me laugh. &nbsp;But, it's gettin' warmer every day ... just a couple of months 'till spring, and then we shall see who laughs last. &nbsp;=)

[ffdet]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Are you insinuating that I am a ricer or that I don't care about quality? Maybe you should edit your post as to not make it so general.
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I wasn't saying anything about you, I was saying that the people at Weapon R care nothing about quality or customer service and the people who buy them are just looking for cheap parts, not quality. &nbsp;If you know someone who had a good experience with their oil caps or other useless accessories, that's cool, but I am basing my statement on personal experience. &nbsp; I won't bore everyone with all the details but I have owned some of their &quot;race quality&quot; coil overs and they broke within 1 week of putting them on. &nbsp;They charged me to replace the broken parts (after less than 1000 miles on them) and when they broke AGAIN, their response was basically a middle finger. &nbsp;I will NEVER purchase nor endorse any product by them. &nbsp;As far as I'm concerned, even their floor mats could fail. In my book they are basically thieves since they took over 300 bucks of my money and I have crap to show for it. I couldn't care less if Weapon R was removed from this planet. &nbsp;

Again, nothing personal directed towards you, I just have a personal mission to make sure no one thinks that company is any good.

[ca18guy]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from twofortysx on 5:55 pm on Feb. 7, 2002

I'm curious as to why you qouted it that way. I do appreciate you missing the point of what I was saying though.

Should I have used a smaller word?
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Please use smaller words, my feeble mind can't comprehend your big person words <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':('>

P.S. I don't think i'm the one that missed the point.

[drifterx]

STOP THE FIGHTING GIRLS!

if the car sways then put in a better suspension (springs and &nbsp;shocks)
then put in sway bars, and tower bars
and if it is a honda a lower tie bar

then if your car stops slow then u upgrade the brakes, change your brake fluid, and put in steel braided lines

[twofortysx]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from ca18guy on 8:27 am on Feb. 8, 2002
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from twofortysx on 5:55 pm on Feb. 7, 2002

I'm curious as to why you qouted it that way. I do appreciate you missing the point of what I was saying though.

Should I have used a smaller word?
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Please use smaller words, my feeble mind can't comprehend your big person words <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':('>

P.S. I don't think i'm the one that missed the point.
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I don't think I missed the point. &nbsp;I suppose I felt slighted after posting something in an effort to help JeffNJ and directly after some clown posts something about a brand I suggested being only for ricers. &nbsp;I asked him why he posted that and got other negative responses from people I didn't ask for them from.

I'm not trying to be a jerk to anyone on this board. &nbsp;Maybe I read in to this wrong or whatever, and I won't try to make excuses as to why. &nbsp;In my attempt to be friendly to people here, I just expect other people to return the same courtesy. &nbsp;Yesterday, I didn't feel that this was the case.

[ca18guy]

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I don't think I missed the point. I suppose I felt slighted after posting something in an effort to help JeffNJ and directly after some clown posts something about a brand I suggested being only for ricers. I asked him why he posted that and got other negative responses from people I didn't ask for them from.

I'm not trying to be a jerk to anyone on this board. Maybe I read in to this wrong or whatever, and I won't try to make excuses as to why. In my attempt to be friendly to people here, I just expect other people to return the same courtesy. Yesterday, I didn't feel that this was the case.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

We were just saying Weapon R isn't the best brand around, nothing against you. Most people on here dislike them.

[duderiffic]

What the #### does Weapon R even make?

Jeff

[ffdet]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I don't think I missed the point. I suppose I felt slighted after posting something in an effort to help JeffNJ and directly after some clown posts something about a brand I suggested being only for ricers.

&lt;SNIP&gt;

I'm not trying to be a jerk to anyone on this board. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Ah.. so explain how calling me &quot;some clown&quot; isn't being a jerk. &nbsp;Don't be a dick, I wasn't talking directly to you. &nbsp;

[DJ Machine]

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What the #### does Weapon R even make?

Jeff
</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>Crap, including their oil cap, shaped like a turbo, that &quot;provides boost&quot;.


Here's the product description:

Pssst ... is the sound of the Turbo Spooling. This oil cap not only provides boost,
but it also accents your engine for those who LOVE turbos.

[twofortysx]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from ffdet on 10<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>4 am on Feb. 8, 2002
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I don't think I missed the point. I suppose I felt slighted after posting something in an effort to help JeffNJ and directly after some clown posts something about a brand I suggested being only for ricers.

&lt;SNIP&gt;

I'm not trying to be a jerk to anyone on this board. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Ah.. so explain how calling me &quot;some clown&quot; isn't being a jerk. Don't be a dick, I wasn't talking directly to you.
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I'll just act like I care and that can be the end of it.

(Edited by twofortysx at 10:59 am on Feb. 8, 2002)