a2coupe2a
03-27-2011, 06:20 PM
Hey im a new member here and figured this would be a good way to say hi. This is a guide that i have slowly been working on over the past few months as i have free time. I will try to update it as often as possible. If you have any questions feel free to ask and ill try to get back to you as soon as possible. - Ron
RECARO RESOURCE GUIDE
http://www.recaro.com/uploads/pics/head_meilensteine_sitzent_02.jpg
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I have been noticing a large amount of recaro questions lately on all the forums im on and figured i would post this to help people out. Here is some basic Recaro knowledge, hopefully you guys will appreciate it. I will update this thread as i have the time, still have ALOT to add.
Each Recaro has a basic model number such as A8, LS, SRD. The first 2 letters stand for the back of the seat. The last digit stands for the base of the seat. For example an LX will stand for the back of the seat with its trademark pointy triangular bolsters but an LX-A will be the same back mounted to a flat base. Here is an example of a 3rd gen LX (top picture) and a 3rd gen LX-A (bottom)
http://z31.com/misc/images/88/88.se.seats.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/91twodoorjetta/Picture026.jpg
Most of the common recaro seats can be traced through 3 generations, each with their own specific details and differences. For example the first generation LS (also known as the idealseat) has the trademark large rolling upper bolsters but the lower bolsters are very large and the slope is very close to the back of the lower frame. The later generations have a very similar back at first glance but the lower bolster foam is much smaller with the slope of the bolster midway back on the frame as seen here.
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh224/a2coupe2a/foam.jpg
The construction of the early recaros was very primitive compared to the later generations. Honestly the biggest improvement i have found through the generations is the advancement in the construction of the seats. The gen 1/2 seats are fairly difficult to assemble where as the later 3rd and 4th generations are about as simple as you can imagine.
How to spot a FAKE
Its not always easy to spot a fake but there are a few simple steps you can follow to increase your chances of purchasing a genuine recaro. Here are a few things to keep an eye out for..
- Is the 'RECARO' lettered correctly? If the letters are spaced from eachother? Is the lettering crooked? If it generally looks off chances are you are not dealing with a genuine recaro.
- What style diaphragm does the seat use? You will only find 3 style of supports on genuine recaro seats. The first design was a support strap. They were made of a nylon style material and each seat would have had around 3 of them going horizontally across the base attaching with a U style hook. The second generation used a support diaphragm. It was a single support made with 1-2 large rubber pcs bonded to a burlap style material and attached using a dowel and hook method on each side of the support. The newest recaro seats use a molded plastic but that is pretty self explanatory. Here are a few examples..
gen 1 straps (New jjcustominterior strap on top, original in middle)
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp314/vwpartsaccount/straps2.jpg
gen 2 diaphragm
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp314/vwpartsaccount/Picture128.jpg
FAKE speed as found on ebay (you can also see the material is hog ringed onto the frame, something recaro hasnt done since the 70's.) Honestly there are about 100 things i could pick apart on these seats to show they are fake but this is the easiest to spot. They dont always look like this but this is the most obvious to spot.
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh224/a2coupe2a/fake.jpg
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh224/a2coupe2a/fake2.jpg
Here is another speed that at first glance looked 100% legit short of some "off" recaro stitching but once i removed the insert found this..
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp314/vwpartsaccount/Picture046.jpg
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp314/vwpartsaccount/Picture047.jpg
That should do it for now, i will update more as i have the time.. If you have any request or questions feel free to message me
Seats
Model C (classic c / orthopad)
(Est. $400 - $2500 depending on specific model / options / condition)
Available as an aftermarket seat dealer option on various european cars. Featuring 8 way adjustable bolsters, heated inserts, power air controlled lumbar support, and speakers in the headrest the Model c was Recaros top of the line and most expensive seat offered in the late 70's and through the 80's. Variations of this seat were optional in e30 bmw's (6k dealer option) Mercedes 190 cosworths, Audi URQuattors (non power), Various Porches, and a few other vehicles that escape me at this time. Variations of this seat are still available from recaro as the Ortho line.
http://i694.photobucket.com/albums/vv303/peraaa/nahkaclassic.jpg
http://image.europeancarweb.com/f/17408542+w750+st0/epcp_0905_11_z+1991_Audi_Coupe_Quattro+interior.jp %20%20g
http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/53/l_52a8080c79be411788f1e09153e572b7.jpg
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LS (idealseat)
(est. $300-$1500 depending on specific model and condition)
The LS is one of the most popular seats Recaro made through the late 70's/80's/90's. Variations of the LS were found in but not limited to cars made by Ferrari, BMW, Alfa, Volkswagen, Porsche, Ford, and more.. They are most commonly found in mk2 volkswagens and Alfa Romeo milano verdes.
http://image.europeancarweb.com/f/8933043/0110_05zoom+Alfa_Romeo_Verde+Interior_Recaro_Seats .jpg
http://www.autosource.biz/Page/ferrari_recaro_leather_seats_porsche_lamborghini_v iper_gts_crashed_exotic_sports_cars.jpg
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp314/vwpartsaccount/alpina-seats.jpg
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Speed / SRD
(est. $300-2000+ depending on model and condition)
By far the most copied Recaro of all time. Be very cautious when buying these seats as prob 80% of the seats on the market are fake chinese replicas. I would not feel safe putting the replicas in a car as the build quality and materials used are fairly poor. The Recaro speed is prob. the most well known Recaro as it has been available since the 80's and is still in production to this day. They have came in everything from e30 bmw's to Toyota supras along with hondas, nissans, fords, and so on..
http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr298/GTOs-GTIs27/M3SportEvolutioninterior2.jpg
http://my.prostreetonline.com/photos/data/500/RecaroSRD2.jpg
Also here is an easy way to tell the difference between a speed and an srd. Take a close look at the curves of the upper bolster foam.. The SRD has a larger more triangular "shoulder" foam where the speed is smaller and more smooth. Also you can see the speed has a larger headrest section.
speed
http://www.diseno-art.com/images_3/Recaro_Speed.jpg
srd..
http://www.meisterschaftmotor.com/images/seats/recaro_SRD_red_stitch_250.jpg
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LX/SE/Specialist
(est. $300-$1500 depending on specific model and condition)
The recaro LX is one of the oldest recaro variations available along with the LS. The Recaro lx still has a variation in production to this day(specialist). It is commonly found in early to late 80's cars such as the TransAm, Mustang, 300zx, and various other models. The Gen 1 lx has the larger lower bolsters but maintains the same triangular back that is the trademark of the LX.
Another member of the LX/LS/etc family that's often seen, the SE. These were Recaro's "budget" sport seat in the late '90s and early '00s, they also had a decent period-correct look for '70s and '80s cars since they were mostly based on the LX.
http://carview-img04.bmcdn.jp/carlife/images/UserCarPat/1269069/p1.jpg
http://z31.com/misc/images/88/88.se.seats.jpg
http://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/1970_Porsche_911_Irish_Green_Interior_1.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/trey_ely/MY87%20325e/IMG_7228.jpg
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A8 (gen 1/2)
(est. $600-$3k depending on specific gen, condition, and trim)
The A8 is by far one of the most highly desired recaros available at this time. They are one of the first recaro sport seats to feature a new frame design for passenger vehicles. There were 2 variations of the A8 to be released and they were available as factory options in a select group of exotics. The majority of A8's you will find are of the aftermarket variety.
Gen 1
http://aotaku.jp/IMG_1163.jpg
http://philhalbasch.com/RecaroA8.JPG
Gen 2
http://carview-img02.bmcdn.jp/minkara/parts/000/002/932/171/2932171/p1.jpg
http://www.locomail.com/niko/mycorradoweb/forsale/recaro/Recaro%20A8/A8-Leder-rot1.jpg
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General Info
mounting pattern
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp314/vwpartsaccount/pattern.jpg
available headrest options
*Netted*
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh224/a2coupe2a/Picture065.jpg
*Standard Solid*
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh224/a2coupe2a/Picture073.jpg
*Wrap around*
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp314/vwpartsaccount/Picture025-1.jpg\
*Wrap around w/speakers*
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp314/vwpartsaccount/speaker.jpg
Seat Dimensions
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp314/vwpartsaccount/Sport-Topline.jpg
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp314/vwpartsaccount/Sportster-CS.jpg
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp314/vwpartsaccount/Speed_S.jpg
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp314/vwpartsaccount/Speed.jpg
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp314/vwpartsaccount/Pro-Racer-Hans-XL-SPA.jpg
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp314/vwpartsaccount/Pro-Racer-Hans-SPA.jpg
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp314/vwpartsaccount/Pro-Racer-Hans-02.jpg
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp314/vwpartsaccount/Profi-XL.jpg
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp314/vwpartsaccount/Profi-SPA.jpg
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp314/vwpartsaccount/Profi.jpg
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp314/vwpartsaccount/Trend.jpg
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp314/vwpartsaccount/Style-XL.jpg
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp314/vwpartsaccount/Style.jpg
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp314/vwpartsaccount/Pole-Position.jpg
Brochures / Ads
Audi
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp314/vwpartsaccount/1986AudiSportsAccessories-1.jpg
Volkswagen (mk2)
Here you can see that VW offered the Model C, LX, and LS as optional seats for the mk2's in europe.
http://i332.photobucket.com/albums/m345/re2syncro/1990GTIEngineering015.jpg
1994 ford fiesta
http://www.fiestaguides.co.uk/images/brochures/1994/1994_fiesta_accessories/12.jpg
RECARO RESOURCE GUIDE
http://www.recaro.com/uploads/pics/head_meilensteine_sitzent_02.jpg
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I have been noticing a large amount of recaro questions lately on all the forums im on and figured i would post this to help people out. Here is some basic Recaro knowledge, hopefully you guys will appreciate it. I will update this thread as i have the time, still have ALOT to add.
Each Recaro has a basic model number such as A8, LS, SRD. The first 2 letters stand for the back of the seat. The last digit stands for the base of the seat. For example an LX will stand for the back of the seat with its trademark pointy triangular bolsters but an LX-A will be the same back mounted to a flat base. Here is an example of a 3rd gen LX (top picture) and a 3rd gen LX-A (bottom)
http://z31.com/misc/images/88/88.se.seats.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/91twodoorjetta/Picture026.jpg
Most of the common recaro seats can be traced through 3 generations, each with their own specific details and differences. For example the first generation LS (also known as the idealseat) has the trademark large rolling upper bolsters but the lower bolsters are very large and the slope is very close to the back of the lower frame. The later generations have a very similar back at first glance but the lower bolster foam is much smaller with the slope of the bolster midway back on the frame as seen here.
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh224/a2coupe2a/foam.jpg
The construction of the early recaros was very primitive compared to the later generations. Honestly the biggest improvement i have found through the generations is the advancement in the construction of the seats. The gen 1/2 seats are fairly difficult to assemble where as the later 3rd and 4th generations are about as simple as you can imagine.
How to spot a FAKE
Its not always easy to spot a fake but there are a few simple steps you can follow to increase your chances of purchasing a genuine recaro. Here are a few things to keep an eye out for..
- Is the 'RECARO' lettered correctly? If the letters are spaced from eachother? Is the lettering crooked? If it generally looks off chances are you are not dealing with a genuine recaro.
- What style diaphragm does the seat use? You will only find 3 style of supports on genuine recaro seats. The first design was a support strap. They were made of a nylon style material and each seat would have had around 3 of them going horizontally across the base attaching with a U style hook. The second generation used a support diaphragm. It was a single support made with 1-2 large rubber pcs bonded to a burlap style material and attached using a dowel and hook method on each side of the support. The newest recaro seats use a molded plastic but that is pretty self explanatory. Here are a few examples..
gen 1 straps (New jjcustominterior strap on top, original in middle)
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp314/vwpartsaccount/straps2.jpg
gen 2 diaphragm
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp314/vwpartsaccount/Picture128.jpg
FAKE speed as found on ebay (you can also see the material is hog ringed onto the frame, something recaro hasnt done since the 70's.) Honestly there are about 100 things i could pick apart on these seats to show they are fake but this is the easiest to spot. They dont always look like this but this is the most obvious to spot.
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh224/a2coupe2a/fake.jpg
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh224/a2coupe2a/fake2.jpg
Here is another speed that at first glance looked 100% legit short of some "off" recaro stitching but once i removed the insert found this..
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp314/vwpartsaccount/Picture046.jpg
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp314/vwpartsaccount/Picture047.jpg
That should do it for now, i will update more as i have the time.. If you have any request or questions feel free to message me
Seats
Model C (classic c / orthopad)
(Est. $400 - $2500 depending on specific model / options / condition)
Available as an aftermarket seat dealer option on various european cars. Featuring 8 way adjustable bolsters, heated inserts, power air controlled lumbar support, and speakers in the headrest the Model c was Recaros top of the line and most expensive seat offered in the late 70's and through the 80's. Variations of this seat were optional in e30 bmw's (6k dealer option) Mercedes 190 cosworths, Audi URQuattors (non power), Various Porches, and a few other vehicles that escape me at this time. Variations of this seat are still available from recaro as the Ortho line.
http://i694.photobucket.com/albums/vv303/peraaa/nahkaclassic.jpg
http://image.europeancarweb.com/f/17408542+w750+st0/epcp_0905_11_z+1991_Audi_Coupe_Quattro+interior.jp %20%20g
http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/53/l_52a8080c79be411788f1e09153e572b7.jpg
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LS (idealseat)
(est. $300-$1500 depending on specific model and condition)
The LS is one of the most popular seats Recaro made through the late 70's/80's/90's. Variations of the LS were found in but not limited to cars made by Ferrari, BMW, Alfa, Volkswagen, Porsche, Ford, and more.. They are most commonly found in mk2 volkswagens and Alfa Romeo milano verdes.
http://image.europeancarweb.com/f/8933043/0110_05zoom+Alfa_Romeo_Verde+Interior_Recaro_Seats .jpg
http://www.autosource.biz/Page/ferrari_recaro_leather_seats_porsche_lamborghini_v iper_gts_crashed_exotic_sports_cars.jpg
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp314/vwpartsaccount/alpina-seats.jpg
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Speed / SRD
(est. $300-2000+ depending on model and condition)
By far the most copied Recaro of all time. Be very cautious when buying these seats as prob 80% of the seats on the market are fake chinese replicas. I would not feel safe putting the replicas in a car as the build quality and materials used are fairly poor. The Recaro speed is prob. the most well known Recaro as it has been available since the 80's and is still in production to this day. They have came in everything from e30 bmw's to Toyota supras along with hondas, nissans, fords, and so on..
http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr298/GTOs-GTIs27/M3SportEvolutioninterior2.jpg
http://my.prostreetonline.com/photos/data/500/RecaroSRD2.jpg
Also here is an easy way to tell the difference between a speed and an srd. Take a close look at the curves of the upper bolster foam.. The SRD has a larger more triangular "shoulder" foam where the speed is smaller and more smooth. Also you can see the speed has a larger headrest section.
speed
http://www.diseno-art.com/images_3/Recaro_Speed.jpg
srd..
http://www.meisterschaftmotor.com/images/seats/recaro_SRD_red_stitch_250.jpg
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LX/SE/Specialist
(est. $300-$1500 depending on specific model and condition)
The recaro LX is one of the oldest recaro variations available along with the LS. The Recaro lx still has a variation in production to this day(specialist). It is commonly found in early to late 80's cars such as the TransAm, Mustang, 300zx, and various other models. The Gen 1 lx has the larger lower bolsters but maintains the same triangular back that is the trademark of the LX.
Another member of the LX/LS/etc family that's often seen, the SE. These were Recaro's "budget" sport seat in the late '90s and early '00s, they also had a decent period-correct look for '70s and '80s cars since they were mostly based on the LX.
http://carview-img04.bmcdn.jp/carlife/images/UserCarPat/1269069/p1.jpg
http://z31.com/misc/images/88/88.se.seats.jpg
http://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/1970_Porsche_911_Irish_Green_Interior_1.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/trey_ely/MY87%20325e/IMG_7228.jpg
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A8 (gen 1/2)
(est. $600-$3k depending on specific gen, condition, and trim)
The A8 is by far one of the most highly desired recaros available at this time. They are one of the first recaro sport seats to feature a new frame design for passenger vehicles. There were 2 variations of the A8 to be released and they were available as factory options in a select group of exotics. The majority of A8's you will find are of the aftermarket variety.
Gen 1
http://aotaku.jp/IMG_1163.jpg
http://philhalbasch.com/RecaroA8.JPG
Gen 2
http://carview-img02.bmcdn.jp/minkara/parts/000/002/932/171/2932171/p1.jpg
http://www.locomail.com/niko/mycorradoweb/forsale/recaro/Recaro%20A8/A8-Leder-rot1.jpg
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General Info
mounting pattern
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp314/vwpartsaccount/pattern.jpg
available headrest options
*Netted*
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh224/a2coupe2a/Picture065.jpg
*Standard Solid*
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh224/a2coupe2a/Picture073.jpg
*Wrap around*
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp314/vwpartsaccount/Picture025-1.jpg\
*Wrap around w/speakers*
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp314/vwpartsaccount/speaker.jpg
Seat Dimensions
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp314/vwpartsaccount/Sport-Topline.jpg
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp314/vwpartsaccount/Sportster-CS.jpg
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp314/vwpartsaccount/Speed_S.jpg
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp314/vwpartsaccount/Speed.jpg
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp314/vwpartsaccount/Pro-Racer-Hans-XL-SPA.jpg
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp314/vwpartsaccount/Pro-Racer-Hans-SPA.jpg
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp314/vwpartsaccount/Pro-Racer-Hans-02.jpg
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp314/vwpartsaccount/Profi-XL.jpg
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp314/vwpartsaccount/Profi-SPA.jpg
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp314/vwpartsaccount/Profi.jpg
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp314/vwpartsaccount/Trend.jpg
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp314/vwpartsaccount/Style-XL.jpg
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp314/vwpartsaccount/Style.jpg
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp314/vwpartsaccount/Pole-Position.jpg
Brochures / Ads
Audi
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp314/vwpartsaccount/1986AudiSportsAccessories-1.jpg
Volkswagen (mk2)
Here you can see that VW offered the Model C, LX, and LS as optional seats for the mk2's in europe.
http://i332.photobucket.com/albums/m345/re2syncro/1990GTIEngineering015.jpg
1994 ford fiesta
http://www.fiestaguides.co.uk/images/brochures/1994/1994_fiesta_accessories/12.jpg