4-500hp?

[talonraver]

I plan on picking up a cheap 89-90 s13 and putting in an sr20det. Money isn't really an issue and i have a couple VR-4s i need to smoke, one is stock and the other is running close to 30 psi (i don't plan on beating the second guy but i want to keep up). So....sr20det, injectors, fuel rail, intercooler, throttle body, intake, mandril bent catback, skyline T28 w/ ceramic tips (drools)......what other stuff do i really need to do to get this car close to 500hp. 2600lbs @ 500hp vs 3300lbs @ 500hp = 11hp relative weight differance in my favor....thats my goal.

[240Dave]

That's a HUGE freaking weight difference!

Also the difference between 400hp and 500hp is a HUGE freaking difference!

Can that t28 push enough air to make even 400hp?






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I'm really a bad person, you should stay away from me... :axe:

[Red]

Cash no issue? Go RB26DET... Unless your set on a SR... then I say good luck... 400 - 500hp is guna cost a chunk no matter which way.

[240Dave]

Originally posted by Red
Cash no issue? Go RB26DET... Unless your set on a SR... then I say good luck... 400 - 500hp is guna cost a chunk no matter which way.

but the rb wasn't mentioned in f&f...why would you want that?

*runs away*

[zenkiDori]

Originally posted by talonraver
I plan on picking up a cheap 89-90 s13 and putting in an sr20det. Money isn't really an issue and i have a couple VR-4s i need to smoke, one is stock and the other is running close to 30 psi (i don't plan on beating the second guy but i want to keep up). So....sr20det, injectors, fuel rail, intercooler, throttle body, intake, mandril bent catback, skyline T28 w/ ceramic tips (drools)......what other stuff do i really need to do to get this car close to 500hp. 2600lbs @ 500hp vs 3300lbs @ 500hp = 11hp relative weight differance in my favor....thats my goal.
if you have to ask what is needed for high HP, you prolly shouldn't be attempting to build a motor that powerful, or maybe you should just pay someone else to design and build it, since you seem to have money out the anus. seriously tho, research.

[240SX714]

Here's how to win:
1) Bye a motorcycle
2) Race him
3) During the race, run into a parked car
4) Make sure you run into it really really fast
5) Die instantly

But sure you have a friend video tape this too so he can send it to the police. This way, the guy in the vr4 gets arrested for speed contest, involuntary manslaughter?...or watevers. The joke's on him, right?


Seriously dude, if you wanna win so bad and money's no problem, then just go out and buy an already modded car that has more than 500hp. Those old mustangs, or muscle cars with nos aren't so bad in a straight line ya know.

Disclaimer: oh yea, and please don't take what i said up there seriously

[DuffMan]

Hahahah

The skyline turbo sucks. Ooooh ceramic wheels :rolleyes:

When theres 2 of them you can make some power, but no way you can get even 400hp out of one. Seems like you have a lot more research to do, kid.

BTW research does not mean reading more issues of "Super Street"

[90240ka]

yeah man if you wanna beat these dudes, you are either going to have to build the shiz out of a sr20det to its fullest or go buy a rb25det or rb26dett and put a "little" work into them. if one dude is pushing 30 pounds of boost, I say good luck with him, just get an rb26dett kram in your engine bay, and throw about 30 pounds of boost at it and youll be pushin 1000hp. then youll beat um. you say moneys not an issue, so get a rb26dett and have someone install it for about 12 g's, upgrade the turbos and everything else on the motor and have fun!!!

[zenkiDori]

if money is not an issue buy the top secret auto R34 and then go race him.

[Red]

Hey i'm not kidding about the RB26DETT... There is a company coming out with a kit that will let you keep the TT setup... Soon stock engine should be able to handle 500hp (i duno about the turbo's)

The clip will cost 4-5k... Then another 1k or so for custome fab work... But all in all 6k-7k for 500hp is not that bad... I wana see the price tag of an SR or KA with 500hp....

No.... wait... dont do the RB.... thats my plan... you cant have it!!!

[s14falcon]

yeah man if you wanna beat these dudes, you are either going to have to build the shiz out of a sr20det to its fullest or go buy a rb25det or rb26dett and put a "little" work into them

Thats not true. Building an SR to its full extent will yeild a hell of a lot more than 400-500 horsepower. Secret Services' SR is currently making 539 at the rear wheels on a totally STOCK bottom end. Enjuku, phase2, etc, are all close behind, on stock bottom ends too. They had a video of them racing a 700hp camaro, hangin with it almost to the end, really close, and they had a dyno video, but I can't seem to find them. Here's a link to the dyno chart. Maybe you should talk to one of the places who actually have an sr making that power, they know what the hell they're doing.
enthalpy dyno (http://www.secretservicesinc.com/images/scottsdyno.jpg)

[steve shadows]

WHOA WHOA< everyone just slow down a little. I dont care if your friends are making 500000000 hp. Traction is the key to a drag race and so is power to wieght ratio. You need a nice 400 whp setup with slicks and a good lsd tuned properly and you need like a month worth of drag strip practice. Its all about controlling the power, going with the car. Derek greaser for example is able to run insane times with very little HP. My car ran a [email protected] mph with stock open diff and dot legal drag radials with blown suspension, sr20det with upgraded t25 turbo stock evrything else with a fmic and open exaust. YOu need to learn the car, you can just throw together project mayham and expect the car to drive itself down the stripp. theirs a lot more involved than that. And the 240sx isnt the beast platform for drag for a novice. If your not used to nissans which obviously you are not i would start with somthing easier or at least SLOW DOWN. SR20det is lighter than rb more parts a availability and again its not all about the power its about the 60 ft, and the wieght of the car and your personal knowledge and tuning skills more than anythnig. If you have money to burn you can have someone else do it for you but you will still never master the power that you have not built into the car. YOu will be a novice with an advanced level of tuning that you are unfamilar with. start slow, dont worry about beating people to who talk ish so bad, the time will come the time will come. and the nimo gods will shine down...

[talonraver]

2 worthwhile posts in 10.....not bad i guess. Red, score bro, thats exactly what i was hoping for....6-7K is nothing when you consider that i'm saving like 18K by not having to buy a VR-4. As for stealing your idea, S13-RB26 club? lol.

S14falcon, I've been seeing the same thing. The only reason i shot out 4-500 horses was because i've seen tons of people claiming that those numbers are possible with a stock bottom end. What I really wanna see is some cost figures, I can't do very much of the work on my own but i'll do what i can.

Anyone know if that stroker kit ever came out for the KA? I heard that it was in developement but haven't checked on the progress of that product.

To the rest of you chump ****faces....i see that kind of behavior on every import tuning board, just because my time is worth more than yours doesn't mean that you shouldn't kick me down some info, i luv these cars as much as you do. I've been planning on creating a really spectacular s13 for years and have sucked up all the info i could get...go flame the jerks that come in here thinking that the best engine ever made is an H22.


-LJ

[s14falcon]

WHOA WHOA< everyone just slow down a little. I dont care if your friends are making 500000000 hp. Traction is the key to a drag race and so is power to wieght ratio

Another excellent point.
He's right, you may have 600hp, but if you can't put it to the ground, you're not gonna go anywhere. Don't be in such a rush, are these cars you want to race going to be leaving forever? Learn the car first, because if you dont know how to control it, you're gonna get seriously hurt with 500hp in a light ass rwd car like the 240.

[talonraver]

Drag?! :cool:

why?

Get an MK4 with a Suprastore level 8 engine upgrade and run high 9s all day.....

Sure freeway racing and playing on the street is risky biz, but it's fun as hell and burns up some late night hours....

[talonraver]

I'm more interested in putting that power to the ground and making sure i don't lose traction every time i hit the gas then i am the horsepower and torque....i just didn't mention it because i can work that out on my own.

[Red]

Originally posted by talonraver
2 worthwhile posts in 10.....not bad i guess. Red, score bro, thats exactly what i was hoping for....6-7K is nothing when you consider that i'm saving like 18K by not having to buy a VR-4. As for stealing your idea, S13-RB26 club? lol

:) I know its not my idea... But yes the RB25 or RB26 is my choice of engine... my goal is an 11 second car..

EDIT: The more I search for info tho... The more I want the RB26... I can seem to find way more engine mods then the RB25... But if anyone has some steller links for RB25's I would love you long time.. hmm thats a little :ghey:

[talonraver]

assuming someone were to put the kind of money into an sr20 that turns into 500hp, how many horses could you get out of the RB25 for the same amount of work? I've heard alot about swaping in RB25s but not much on why that would be worth the effort.

[Mikes14240sx]

Originally posted by talonraver

I've been planning on creating a really spectacular s13 for years and have sucked up all the info i could get...go flame the jerks that come in here thinking that the best engine ever made is an H22.
-LJ

You must have been living in a cave for all those years that you were sucking up info. Those most have been the same years you were sucking up common sense.

"I wish i knew what I need to build an 4-500hp sr. (http://enjukuracing.com/subpages/ctw.htm) Does anyone here know whats needed to make a 4-500hp sr? (http://enjukuracing.com/subpages/ctw.htm) If only i knew what was needed to make a 4-500hp sr. (http://enjukuracing.com/subpages/ctw.htm)"

[talonraver]

thats what i needed thanks.

[jayc]

I would get a 2JZ if I was tring to make 500+ HP. You can get a 2JZ swap cheaper then an RB26 and it's a better engine.

[s14falcon]

I would get a 2JZ if I was tring to make 500+ HP. You can get a 2JZ swap cheaper then an RB26 and it's a better engine.

WTF? Do you know how much it would take to put a 2jz into a 240. I have seen it done, in a picture of an s13 in Thailand. Haha thailand, they do ridiculous swaps there. But back to that, if he wanted to make a steady 800-1000 hp i would say maybe to a 2jz, but you can do that nearly as easily with an rb26. But thats all beseides the poiunt, because I already showed that theres plenty of SR's making 500 at the wheels and up on fuking stock bottom ends. If you want more than that, like 700 or so i would suggest maybe an rb25. I dont reccomend a 2jz at all unless you have assloads of money and want a car that can make 1100 horsepower. Actlually, no I don't recommend it at all even if you want that. If you want a car like that go buy a damned mk4 supra, but the thread starter already said that he doesn't want a strictly drag car.

damn. need a 2jz for 500 hp, jeez. I bet thats the most cost effecive way to go too, right?;)

[240Stilo]

Do you know exactly how fast the second VR-4 is (1/4 mile time or hp#'s) or does he just tell you "ay yo man I'm boosting close to 30 pounds!"? Remember 30psi of boost in his turbo might flow less air than 30psi of another turbo.

[1121S13]

I cant explain much about SR and its potential on power but ill shoot out some info about vr4's.

the first thing should be his Mod list..research what he can run.
Vr4's stock 9b turbo cant even hold 15PSI still the redl
ine, starts dropping to about 10-12 depending on the car and setup.

Oviously, its not a stock turbo on the second Vr4. Find out if its a TDO5 setup header's or even TD04 20G setup or so. Note that 10-11sec Vr4's only ran about 22psi or 20+/- psi with xxshot.These runs are on TD04 setup, which does NOT HOLD 30PSI. My point here is that its most likely to be BULL****.

I wouldnt have posted if the XXX Vr4-(secondguy), and his myterious VR4 running 30pounds of boost were running around 20.

now this is for your info on his platform;if he is on a Stock TD04 setup with R650' turbo or 368 turbo's for VR4.. He wont be able to boost 30psi..

like mentioned above, if you know what XXX amount of power his running and what setup he is on (most likely not 30psi), i'd be easier on your funds and mods for victory. Meaning His car MIGHT* be overestimated, and you might be holding the victory flag with only BPU mods++, Great tires. (Assuming your a descent driver)

As for 400-500or6' amount of HP on SR, i wouldnt have a clue.
Check to see if the VR4 is all hype.

-Hope that helps somewhat-

[jayc]

I would think a 2JZ swap would be a rally good swap for the 240. The turbos are on the right hand side which would make it easy for large down pipe(s). I know if would take some custom mounts and crossmember but the money you would have from not buying an RB26 (5K+ vs 2500) would take care of that. I am sure AC and PS would be difficult and that is why I ruled it out for my swap for my car will be daily driven. But like I say you can buy a 2JZ swap fro around 2500. Last time I checked that would be what you would pay for an SR20. Hell the RB25 cost more then that and it isn't even half the enigne the 2JZ is. If I would go with a 2JZ standalone would be the way to go so wiring wouldn't be that bad. Think about how fast Supras are and how much faster they would be in a car that weights close to 1K lbs lighter!

[weirdstyles.net]

Wow you guys are really tearing this kid an asshole. But homie seriously your a candy flippin Raver who evidently likes Talons/Eclipses. This isnt really for you. If your so stoked out on "e" that you think you will "keep up" with a TT V6 at 30PSI, you got some laced ****, and should see the nearest emergency room.

You are dealing with more horsepower than you can even imagine, and the VR4 has much more straightline capabilities. To prove this, load GT3, the only racing you have/will/could do and mod out the 3kgt and any 240 you want...who hits is at over 1000HP? Sure its a game, but you base all your knowledge on weakly edited magazines and a video game which is not evolving with technology and there for is becoming dated.

Money isnt an Issue, So Mum and Papa let you race their money? Why not guy a GSX-R or spend 18k on an R32 from Motorex and really lay the smacketh downeth.

Guys, Im sorry. I have been rather light on flaming the newbie/morons, but son; Read a f*cking book. (Not Import Tuner or SS or Sport Compact Crap) Pick up some serious literature and understand that without the money from a major sponsorship like Steph Papadakis, your not going to challenge that car. Normal people, me and everyone else here....'cet Nitekids dont have that kinda money!

NOW for the REAL REALITY CHECK. The VR4's don't exist. When you break it down, if money didnt matter, my homie here wouldnt purchase a 240SX. Its not logical, if money is so free flowing then he would get the Supra, NSX, RX7, VR4, Skyline or one of the other "Corevette Killers" from Japan Land. What he is really saying is:

"Hi guys! Gee golly, I dont like to read or put any effort into the shizlle fer nizzle dizzle I do. I am making a wish list of all the stuff I wanna do to my car, which Daddy bought me, so I can be Fast and Furious like Bin Liesle and Paw Fauker. But I want you to list the most coolest things you can think of, so I can budget off of my $5.15 pay at Miky D's"


pleae be my friend...

I sleep in a drawer

my cats breath smells like cat food

they were making babies

Mrs.hoover, I lost my crayon.

I cho-cho-chooooose you...

im a moron, i suck, i hate life and kids who like to twirl glow sticks in my face and sniff vap-o-rub because it makes them happy...

edit:

just read some of the post, and the most poignent(sp?) of them all was whoever said, "power to weight ratio, and your driving abilites" <---cheers to that guy

[s14falcon]

Hi guys! Gee golly, I dont like to read or put any effort into the shizlle fer nizzle dizzle I do. I am making a wish list of all the stuff I wanna do to my car, which Daddy bought me, so I can be Fast and Furious like Bin Liesle and Paw Fauker. But I want you to list the most coolest things you can think of, so I can budget off of my $5.15 pay at Miky D's"

Haha, way to lay the smackdown, styles.

[andrave]

I saw a VR4 with aftermarket 17's, generic tires, an intake, exhaust, blitz bov, and an MBC running 1 lb of boost over stock run a 12.9 at Houston Raceway park.
You have your work set out for you.
I hope you have a fat wallet set out in front of you, too, especially since it sounds like you are gonna have to pay someone to do all the work for you.
And 500 HP is a lot of dollars.. I mean horsepower. Well, same thing.

[Var]

Good luck drag racing vs. an all wheel drive car. Better fix up your drivetrain and get some Mickey T's. Put an rb25det with a t-76 turbo. 100 shot of NOS for quicker spool. All the goodies on the motor will give you 700-800 horses. Good luck..

hey guys dont yell at me for saying this but i read somewhere that the stock block from an r34 skyline gtr can handle 2200 horses..upgraded heads and everything else on a stock block...is it possible? ill try to find the link to it.

[1121S13]

like mentioned Before, XXX vr4 you are claiming will most likely NOT boost 30psi.

Does he own the Great PUMA GTO from japan??? hell no.
or near its single setup? i highly doubt it.

as above, its probably all hype.

[DudeYourSoOOJDM]

This pipe dream should end right......>>>>>>>Here.