Ka-T question..

[psychos13]

Ok so I'm getting a new rebuild s13 dual cam ka sometime this week wat are the main parts I need so I can go turbo(t25 set up) I at least wanna push 11 pounds...

Help me out so I can get my part list started

2-8-11 upDate: ok so the guy I was gonna buy the long block off ws acting like an a-hole and sold it when I told him I was gonna pick it up tomorrow so know I'm looking for a s13 ka dual cam long block pm me if you knoe some one that has one for sell or you are selling one prefer local pick up really appreciated...

[travisty_]

KA-T.org: DOHC Turbo For Dummies (http://www.ka-t.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6263)

[StryfeS13]

Bro you shoulda just searched but I'll help you before the flaming.

Cheap-o way:

SR T25
Turbo Manifold
SR downpipe (needs to be extended by 3 inches if aftermarket)
SR turbo elbow
Oil line
Oil drain
Water lines aren't necessary but if you want to run them you can
Hot pipe for SR20
Cold pipe for SR20
FMIC
Or you can just go sidemount
15* of timing
6:1 FMU

The right way:

SR T25
Turbo Manifold
SR Downpipe
SR Turbo Elbow
Oil Line
Oil Drain
Water Lines
Hot Pipe
Cold Pipe
FMIC
370CC Injectors
Stock MAF
Tune
All couplers, t-bolt clamps, etc

[psychos13]

Ok thank.........

[spartanmisfit]

Bravo stryfe!!

[carcrzy920]

two important things he left out was a good clutch, and warblo fuel pump.

i have a t25 setup on my ka and heres my list for you to go off of

sr t25
ebay manifold (holding up good so far)
ebay elbow
titan motor sport downpipe
sr 370cc injectors
warblo 255
competition clutch stage 2
custom high mount intercooler
ss oil line with proper fittings
tapped oil pan myself for return
rom tune

you can message me if you have any questions

[vas570sx]

i have a circuit sports sr downpipe, im planning on putting on my KA-T setup, will this not fit?

http://www.frsport.com/images/detailed_images/CircuitSports_DPV0134HS_1.jpg

[StryfeS13]

Oh yeah, sorry, forgot about the walbro and clutch.

@Vas570sx, that one actually looks like it will fit with no modification.

[carcrzy920]

i like that downpipe, how much is it?

[h2v7]

i heard turbo on ka is a big waste

but it seems cool none the less

is it just you cant get a high end ammount of hp out of it opposed to sr

more torquey tho huh

[newslidz]

i heard turbo on ka is a big waste

but it seems cool none the less

is it just you cant get a high end ammount of hp out of it opposed to sr

more torquey tho huh


Its funny that you say that when The ka has gone over 1000hp.. and why do you need these hp numbers to be so high...

[carcrzy920]

im making roughly 230whp at 10psi on a t25 on a stock KA. sr20 makes 205 or 203 at the crank at 7psi. and im damn sure i have more tourqe than a stock sr too. oh i put my kit together for $900 too. what a waste huh

[eSThurTeen]

Nice I'm trying to Turbo my ka too so thanks for putting it up for me haha except there selling me a kit with a garret t3t4. .. how much is it to flash your ecu anyone know? Or is it not necessary if I'm gonna b running low boost

[newslidz]

Nice I'm trying to Turbo my ka too so thanks for putting it up for me haha except there selling me a kit with a garret t3t4. .. how much is it to flash your ecu anyone know? Or is it not necessary if I'm gonna b running low boost


In the ka world its all about tuning and timing... what ever you do dont bail on that

[StryfeS13]

i heard turbo on ka is a big waste

but it seems cool none the less

is it just you cant get a high end ammount of hp out of it opposed to sr

more torquey tho huh

Whoever told you this is one of two things, or possibly both:

1. Retarded
2. An SR FAN BOI

A KA-T is anything but a waste. People don't like KA's because their brains aren't capable of custom fabrication or doing things correctly.

KA's and SR's both have their specific advantages, however it's all about preference. SR's are like honda's, you rev the shit out of them and they make power. KA's are like getting rear ended by a fucking freightliner when boost kicks in.

However, I do like SR's. I just get tired of all the misinformation.

KA with an SR20 T28 on only 10lbs makes about 250WHP/280WTQ...how can you go wrong with that?

i like that downpipe, how much is it?

It's discontinued...
You can always get the poweredbymax downpipe, which is the same thing but better...A little pricey though.

POWERED BY MAX: (http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/page.php?19)

Nice I'm trying to Turbo my ka too so thanks for putting it up for me haha except there selling me a kit with a garret t3t4. .. how much is it to flash your ecu anyone know? Or is it not necessary if I'm gonna b running low boost

Take into consideration that low boost on a T3/T4 is going to make more power than low boost on something as small as a T25. This means that you should definitely tune, if you value your motor.

It's gonna cost you around $300 for something like an Enthalpy tune. Make sure to get your injectors and maf too.

[eSThurTeen]

Aight thanks. . So ima have to mess with timing too? I've seen those emthalpy tune on eBay for 300 just didn't know if they were any good

[StryfeS13]

No don't mess with your timing. If you're tuned it should take care of that.

If I were you I'd buy the Enthalpy tune from either their website or from another member here on Zilvia.

[eSThurTeen]

The z32 maf would work fine too right? And is it necessary to change fuel rail?

[StryfeS13]

Z32 maf is fine yeah. Nah stock fuel rail/regulator are fine.

[eSThurTeen]

Aight koo yea everyone here in El Paso tells me to go SR instead Cuz of cost efficiency but I say fuck that with 3gs I can have a rebuilt ka and for that price you get a SR with "around" 35k miles and you don't know how it was treated I think they just don't want me to shit on there SR lol

[newslidz]

No don't mess with your timing. If you're tuned it should take care of that.

If I were you I'd buy the Enthalpy tune from either their website or from another member here on Zilvia.


I ment as 1 you dont want to use a afc and just add fuel and not adjust timing which is 1 of the reasons the ka has such a bad name.. now that people offer tuning you see them coming out. Plus you have all these people boosting 200k motors like there gonna hold together its retarded.. Ill share some videos when my car is done but I love my ka... Turbo is sold and will be getting a new precision unit this week :)
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs136.ash2/40138_165140110166925_100000128115328_587396_81462 15_n.jpg

[StryfeS13]

Aight koo yea everyone here in El Paso tells me to go SR instead Cuz of cost efficiency but I say fuck that with 3gs I can have a rebuilt ka and for that price you get a SR with "around" 35k miles and you don't know how it was treated I think they just don't want me to shit on there SR lol

KA's aren't that cheap haha. I think I spent around 2000 dollars just building mine up.

This was my parts list:

KA24DE
Eagle Rods + Thermal Intake Gasket
Supertech 8.6:1 Pistons with Rings
Oil Pan
Machine Work, resurface, bored, honed
Oil pump rebuild stuff
Freeze Plugs
Egr block off
Turbo drain welded to oil pan
ARP Main Studs
ACL Duraglide rod bearings
ROCK Main bearings
Timing Kit
Fel pro head gasket
Catch Can
ARP Head Studs
Gasket Set
Clutch

I ment as 1 you dont want to use a afc and just add fuel and not adjust timing which is 1 of the reasons the ka has such a bad name.. now that people offer tuning you see them coming out. Plus you have all these people boosting 200k motors like there gonna hold together its retarded.. Ill share some videos when my car is done but I love my ka... Turbo is sold and will be getting a new precision unit this week :)

Hey man, I wasn't saying that to you, I was saying it to EssThurTeen.

But yeah, people give KA's a bad name cause they expect a 200k motor to survive with no tune, and worn out parts.

I always say if you go KA to build it or rebuild it.

Nice KA by the way!

[eSThurTeen]

That is a beauty I need a daily so I can pull out my ka lol

[StryfeS13]

Or you could just buy another KA and build it, then when it's finished, dedicate a weekend to removing your old ka and installing the new one...that's what I did.

and don't sell your old ka, cause you might need it for cali smog

[eSThurTeen]

Well see 2gs plus a Turbo set up another g and a half? Same as SR swap and more power

[eSThurTeen]

I live in Texas :)

[eSThurTeen]

I live in Texas :)

[95s-14]

I ment as 1 you dont want to use a afc and just add fuel and not adjust timing which is 1 of the reasons the ka has such a bad name.. now that people offer tuning you see them coming out. Plus you have all these people boosting 200k motors like there gonna hold together its retarded.. Ill share some videos when my car is done but I love my ka... Turbo is sold and will be getting a new precision unit this week :)
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs136.ash2/40138_165140110166925_100000128115328_587396_81462 15_n.jpg


Is that a SR oil pan setup? did it just bolt straight up? info please

[newslidz]

go HERE Xcessive Manufacturing (http://www.xcessivemanufacturing.com/merchant.ihtml?pid=145&step=4)

[95s-14]

Thanks I'll check that out

[psychos13]

Ok thanks too everyones help one more question in I do run t28 can I use stock pistons or after market and I also have too run a water line right...

Reason y I'm goin ka-t it's cuz cops are asswholes around my neighborhood and I dnt want them too pop my and see a sr and start writing me up for bull shit

[StryfeS13]

Same thing's gonna happen with a KA-T bro.

You just gotta lay low in Cali, especially in LA.


If the T28 you choose is journal bearing, you don't HAVE to run the water lines, but you should. If the T28 you choose is something like the S15 t28, then yes, you must run water lines. Stock pistons are fine if your motor runs good, has decently low miles, and good compression. but you gotta tune it!

[carcrzy920]

yea like he said, as long as its journal bearing you dont "need" to but you can. i dont run them on my t25 and its fine. but i plan to upgrade to a s15 spec r t28 eventually and then ill have to run them because its BB. please what ever you do dont cheap out on a tune. if youd like message me and ill give the info for the guy that tuned my ecu.

[Razi]

As long as you don't attract attention the cops should leave you alone, in my area anyways.

An engine bay that isn't all blinged out in aluminum helps in case your hood gets popped.

Also, a good tune is the most essential part of a KA-T build, without one you could kill a perfectly good engine.

[95s-14]

Ok KA-T guys where are ya'll getting the oil feed for the turbo? and where is best to tap for water feed and return?

I think I'm going to put a t28 set up on my daily just for the hell of it I have enough spare sr stuff and need a little more pep to my daily. Any info is appreciated

Also that Xcessive oil pan is a nice set up thanks for pointing me in the right direction

[psychos13]

yea like he said, as long as its journal bearing you dont "need" to but you can. i dont run them on my t25 and its fine. but i plan to upgrade to a s15 spec r t28 eventually and then ill have to run them because its BB. please what ever you do dont cheap out on a tune. if youd like message me and ill give the info for the guy that tuned my ecu.Yeah shoot me the info really appreciated bro



Ok update: so the guy iwas gonna buy the long block frm was actin like an agile and sold it so now I really need one pm me if you knoe anyone selling one I prefer local pick up

[StryfeS13]

Ok KA-T guys where are ya'll getting the oil feed for the turbo? and where is best to tap for water feed and return?

I think I'm going to put a t28 set up on my daily just for the hell of it I have enough spare sr stuff and need a little more pep to my daily. Any info is appreciated

Also that Xcessive oil pan is a nice set up thanks for pointing me in the right direction

JGS sells a feed line kit, and Z1Motorsports sells one too. I have the Z1 oil line, it's great.

There's a thread around here somewhere that UNISA JECS posted about the water line setup.

[95s14Zinki]

im doing a kat as well

t3/t4 top mount
fmic
370 injectors
255 fuel pump
tune
turbo timer
bov
wastegate
i might invest in a apex 2 as well.. i havent put it in yet but that my setup
3inch strait pipe to greddy

[Tantwoforty]

im doing this:
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/35456_483245949800_681149800_5440992_3309748_n.jpg
t25
no name manifold
s13 cams
s14 upper manifold (no butterflys)
all fully rebuilt rings, bearings, all seals.
decked block and head.
port and polished head.
BC TI springs/retainers.
walbro
hks bov
aem truboost
aem wideband
pretune ecu
3 inch turbo back to a gp sports catback
3 inch intercooler 2 peice pipeing
4 inch custom intake
fmic
n60 maf
stage 2 clutchmasters clutch
probly a safc on top of the pretune
and probly a buncha crap im forgetting...

Ok KA-T guys where are ya'll getting the oil feed for the turbo? and where is best to tap for water feed and return
im useing a "Glowshift" oil sandwich.. you can pick one up for close to nothing the drain was more of a pain for me.
Pic of the feed.. i know the line is way too long.
for water you can us the lines intended for the throttle body.
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/63151_483245454800_681149800_5440981_534489_n.jpg
and this is the drain:
its a sr or a vg30dett one i hacked up and made work..
and the lower end is the same thing. i just hacked up a drain line and made it work.
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/182236_10150104313384801_681149800_5964416_3326813 _n.jpg
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/168021_10150094594064801_681149800_5836011_8178494 _n.jpg
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/168477_10150094593794801_681149800_5836008_7813030 _n.jpg
hope this helped someone some how lol

[PITCH]

Subed. Cost efficient KA-T build in the works. Good info here.

[OBEEWON]

Best way to do a KA-T is to pour gas all over it, light a match to it. Will save you time, money, and your relationship with your girlfriend.

[Tantwoforty]

Best way to do a KA-T is to pour gas all over it, light a match to it. Will save you time, money, and your relationship with your girlfriend.

I'm on my second girlfriend over the span of my kat build.
and yeah.
that...
lol


its not really cost effective..
im spending like 700 bucks in gauges..
and another 900 in tuning and a ecu and whatever..
so i mean.. its just how i want to do it. not because its cheap..

[StryfeS13]

^Lol @ the girlfriend comment. And yeah, KA's are aggravating but I don't agree with the gasoline and match combination. :D

Here's what my KA looked like before I dropped it in.

Eagle Rods
Thermal Intake Gasket
Supertech 8.6:1 Pistons
Supertech rings...file fit
Machine Work, resurface, bored .020", honed
Oil pump rebuilt
Freeze Plugs that wont rust lol
Egr block off
ARP Main Studs
ARP Head Studs
ARP Rod Bolts (came with rods)
New bearings
Timing components replaced
Fel-pro HP headgasket
All new gaskets
Exedy OEM Clutch (has got to go..)
Stock S13 cams...
Ported head

http://i37.tinypic.com/2wrnrz8.jpg
http://i37.tinypic.com/28bcufl.jpg
http://i36.tinypic.com/5mk0g0.jpg
http://i33.tinypic.com/2j26c6v.jpg

[240sxdriftrat]

Got that thing is so freakn clean! ^^^

[Walperstyle]

I'm in the middle of a rather large KA-T build. Just make sure you get a proper EMS tune, and have a way to read AFR. If you go to a machine shop, take your pistons and berrings to them and say, 'I want my crank, rods and bore to match these'. I spent $1400 at a machine shop on a block that I'm not using. Sometimes doing it the right way the first time is a good idea.

Either way, a good KA-T is better then a SR simply because for the cost of a SR swap installed you can DIY a good KA.

In the ka world its all about tuning and timing... what ever you do dont bail on that

Thats true with every engine numb nuts. :keke:

[Boostin240sx]

I like the JGS turbo kit, I ran it for 4 years on a DD stock motor with a SAFC and 370cc injectors. Mine gave out at 230k miles on the motor. I was ready to finally go RB25 so after turning the boost up to 15 psi the injectors went to max duty cycle and then crank case pressure ensued.

A long life KA-t is about the tuning, I tuned mine myself but I've been doing this stuff a while and have a bit of experience. My advice is purchase a wideband and watch it carefully and removing only a degree or 2 of timing is all that is needed.