a request

[crazycuban]

Look, I'm not trying to start a "should we be politically correct" battle again, but I would really appreciate it if, just like we've reached the consensus that JDM isn't "Jap", we realize that some, including myself, are sensitive to racial bullshit.

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after, i got to talk to him, some kinda italian or mexican guy, he's like &quot;oh man, you are fast, what do you have under there!&quot; i'm like &quot;stock...&quot;, so i asked him the same question, and i got the same respond &quot;stock...&quot; &nbsp;so wtf is up w/ that body kit... &nbsp;beats me... he spent 5g's into that thing. oh well... &nbsp;i WON :biggrin:
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That was from the topic about beating a Civic. &nbsp;I think you guys know what bothers me about that. &nbsp;I really couldn't care less about what your views on &quot;PCness&quot; are, but please realize that as some people on this board take offense, it is counterproductive and straight up stupid to talk like that.
I don't care how many Hispanics you know, you don't know me. &nbsp;You're not my close friend, therefore I will take offense if you talk that way. &nbsp;
Like I said, I'm not trying to start a big argument - I'd much prefer if I didn't. &nbsp;But as our purpose on this board is to learn and talk about cars, and as it doesn't HURT anyone to be politically correct, I'd appreciate if some of the members on this board tried to be more so.

Thanks,
Brian

[twofortysx]

Well, I can see where you're trying to go with this, and maybe it would've been better if he had just said &quot;some guy&quot; but him saying &quot;some kinda italian or mexican guy&quot; doesn't seem bad. &nbsp;Now if he said &quot;some kinda whop or spic guy&quot; (and please don't take offense to that as it is obviously an example..if you want, call me a cracker) then I could see where you would be offended.

So I guess I would have to ask why exaclty you took offense to that? &nbsp;I'm not attacking, I'm just curious. &nbsp;Is it because he singled out the race or did he say it in some other offensive way?

[crazycuban]

I took offense because it's commonplace to stereotype Hispanics as Mexicans. &nbsp;He obviously couldn't tell that the guy was Mexican, considering it was either that or Italian - very different. &nbsp;If he would have said Hispanic, Latino, Latin, instead of Mexican I really wouldn't care.

[tnord]

dude, just chill.........it wasn't intended in a negative manner so you shouldn't take it as such

[West]

He was making a generalization about what he looked like. I don't see how you can take offense to someone describing another person by stating what ethicality he is. Although I do understand where you are coming from, but I dont think it has to do anything with the quote by 240meowth.

[crazycuban]

I wouldn't have taken much offense to what he said normally - I would have noticed it, simply because of the generalization, like calling all Asians Chinese - but I wouldn't have gotten pissed. &nbsp;I'm just sick of this sort of thing happening over and over again, and I'd feel more comfortable if it stopped. &nbsp;It's not simply what he said - what he said actually isn't to bad compared to what has been said on this board in the past. &nbsp;

[rubbersidedown]

i don't think he meant to offend anyone. its just ignorance, and that's not necessarily one's fault. I really can't believe you brought this up. No one is trying to offend anyone here.

[DJ Machine]

Jesus, quit crying, what if the guy
WAS mexican, what then? Then there'd be no basis for this argument at all.

[thewholefnshow]

Lol. I am really sorry, but the level of racial intolerance people have is disgusting, you can call me a a honky, white bread, cracker, whatever you want, I don't give a shit, it is just a name. Man, if people would stop worrying about it all the time it really wouldn't be so bad. Oversensitivity is worse than racism, because it creates more problems for no reason. I am not racist, never have been... but holy cow, mexican or italian? that's bad?... relax.

[twofortysx]

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i don't think he meant to offend anyone. its just ignorance, and that's not necessarily one's fault. I really can't believe you brought this up. No one is trying to offend anyone here.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Again, not attacking anyone but:

Why are we calling this ignorant? The poor guy isn't ignorant. My really good friend is Italian and if I didn't know him I wouldn't be able to tell if he was Mexican or Italian. What about me? I'm dutch, english, irish and german but if you look at me, I'm white. So everytime I talk about someone like me I should now be saying &quot;It was some English, irish, german, dutch guy&quot;?

Seriously, don't you think there is a time and a point where we should evaluate what we complain about and realize we're taking it too far? I could've understood being annoyed that he specified the race since it technically wasn't relevant and some people can be offended by that, but getting mad because he got the race wrong? come on....

I understand your point of view and I want to respect your request to not start an argument but I just honestly don't agree with the complaint.

anyway..I'll try to stop ranting now ---

[rubbersidedown]

i'm just i think crazy cuban said the PC term was &quot;hispanic&quot; and not &quot;mexican&quot;. If this is so then using the term &quot;mexican&quot; w/ out intention to offend someone would be considered ignorance. He just didn't know any better. When you say someone is ignorant it isn't necessarily meant as an insult. We're all ignorant to an extent. &quot;Ignorant&quot; was the only word that could best help say what i was trying to say.. i guess you could say.. lol. but yeah. please don't think saying someone is ignorant is and insult. although it can be used in an insulting manner it really wasn't in this case.

[crazycuban]

Look, the point was not what the guy said, what the guy said isn't that bad - forget I brought up his comment. &nbsp;This does happen relatively often though, and I'd appreciate it if it'd stop. &nbsp;I know you think oversensitivity is worse than racism - that's great, I don't really give a shit. &nbsp;But if it doesn't hurt you to be politically correct, and someone else has politely asked you to be politically correct, then why not be?

[crazycuban]

Lemme rephrase that. What the guy said just reminded me of past things said. You guys don't understand. You never will. I will never understand what it's like to be followed around a store because I'm black, or be yelled at for being rascist because I'm white. The point is, if it offends someone, why do it?

(Edited by crazycuban at 2:29 pm on Feb. 11, 2002)

[crazycuban]

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i'm just i think crazy cuban said the PC term was &quot;hispanic&quot; and not &quot;mexican&quot;. If this is so then using the term &quot;mexican&quot; w/ out intention to offend someone would be considered ignorance. He just didn't know any better. When you say someone is ignorant it isn't necessarily meant as an insult. We're all ignorant to an extent. &quot;Ignorant&quot; was the only word that could best help say what i was trying to say.. i guess you could say.. lol. but yeah. please don't think saying someone is ignorant is and insult. although it can be used in an insulting manner it really wasn't in this case.
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Yeah, thanks, thats what I mean...

[tnord]

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Lemme rephrase that. What the guy said just reminded me of past things said. You guys don't understand. You never will. I will never understand what it's like to be followed around a store because I'm black, or be yelled at for being rascist because I'm white. The point is, if it offends someone, why do it?

(Edited by crazycuban at 2:29 pm on Feb. 11, 2002)
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.........and you'll never understand what it's like to not get hired for a job because a company has to fill a &quot;minority quota&quot; and you're white.........so do what the rest of us do and deal with it..........

[rubbersidedown]

yes. i'm just trying to help defend you in a way here crazycuban but there is no reason for you to go on and say stuff like &quot;none of you will understand and you never will&quot; we all have problems. Its good to bring it to everyone's attention and yes some people over reacted a little here. I can understand how this all upsets you but there isn't really anything you can do about it. The vast majority of the people are all politically incorrect about a lot of things. The difference here is that it wasn't meant to offend anyone and since you didn't mean to offend anyone by this post then i'm sure that no one will have any problem by being a little bit for carefull about what they say. So i guess all i really wanted to say is that this is all blown way out of proportion and regardless of what anyone says in this thread i'm sure we'll all try and phrase what we say just a little more carefully to avoid situations like this. bleh. too much typing. i need a smoke..

[rancid240]

Chinese people make good 240sx's! &nbsp;

j/k...racist people are ignorant, and i just dont pay any attention to it. &nbsp;my 2cents

[BadTempers240sx]

Ok I read the post and then reread it to make sure I understood everyones opion. And at first I wasnt going to say shit but #### here is my two cents. I understand that there is PCness and the some people want to follow it but you know what, I call it like I see it and if you dont like it, #### with you. Because what I have seen around the world (and i have traveled) the people who cry for PCness are the ones who label people the most. My biggest pet pev is when someone or some group wants to be called african -american, irsh-american, latino-american either you are an AMERICAN or NOT. My pop is dutch but ask him and he will say American not dutch-american. F#ck just for example of how far this PCness will go look at the news, American -Taliban Jon Walker, for crying out loud come on, he fought against us and talked bad about the country I fight for and the media want to still call him an american what a f#ckin disgrace. &nbsp;I sorry I dont understand what it feels like to be watched when entering a store and other things but you cant and wont put the blame on me because i dont and never will do that shit to someone. Sorry for being long winded. Oh by the way if you dont like being label or labeled wrong then you need to change your screenn name, ok chico!!!!!!!

[Cormegas13]

Hey crazy cuban, &nbsp;please refrain from the use of profanity because it offends me.

[twofortysx]

From now on I will be offended if someone calls me white or American (sure I was born in America, just as a Mexican is born in Mexico...). I will now be referred to as English-Irish-Dutch-German-American!

He called the guy Mexican or Italian cuz he thought the guy may have been a descendant or some other PC term from those countries.

So we would be offensive if we called someone from Mexico Mexican, but not if we call someone from America American? WTF is that?

This pc, racism, people are ignorant because I disagree stuff is going to #### far. It's bull.

CrazyCuban: Your name is now offensive to me because even though you may be from Cuba I don't want to hear you being called a cuban. You are now to change your name to CrazyHispanic.

How f'in dumb does that sound?

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[crazycuban]

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[........and you'll never understand what it's like to not get hired for a job because a company has to fill a &quot;minority quota&quot; and you're white.........so do what the rest of us do and deal with it..........
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Hispanics don't get discriminated against?

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yes. i'm just trying to help defend you in a way here crazycuban but there is no reason for you to go on and say stuff like &quot;none of you will understand and you never will&quot; we all have problems. Its good to bring it to everyone's attention and yes some people over reacted a little here. I can understand how this all upsets you but there isn't really anything you can do about it. The vast majority of the people are all politically incorrect about a lot of things. The difference here is that it wasn't meant to offend anyone and since you didn't mean to offend anyone by this post then i'm sure that no one will have any problem by being a little bit for carefull about what they say. So i guess all i really wanted to say is that this is all blown way out of proportion and regardless of what anyone says in this thread i'm sure we'll all try and phrase what we say just a little more carefully to avoid situations like this. bleh. too much typing. i need a smoke..
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Yeah, see your point. &nbsp;Thanks.

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Ok I read the post and then reread it to make sure I understood everyones opion. And at first I wasnt going to say shit but #### here is my two cents. I understand that there is PCness and the some people want to follow it but you know what, I call it like I see it and if you dont like it, #### with you. Because what I have seen around the world (and i have traveled) the people who cry for PCness are the ones who label people the most. My biggest pet pev is when someone or some group wants to be called african -american, irsh-american, latino-american either you are an AMERICAN or NOT. My pop is dutch but ask him and he will say American not dutch-american. F#ck just for example of how far this PCness will go look at the news, American -Taliban Jon Walker, for crying out loud come on, he fought against us and talked bad about the country I fight for and the media want to still call him an american what a f#ckin disgrace. &nbsp;I sorry I dont understand what it feels like to be watched when entering a store and other things but you cant and wont put the blame on me because i dont and never will do that shit to someone. Sorry for being long winded. Oh by the way if you dont like being label or labeled wrong then you need to change your screenn name, ok chico!!!!!!!
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Maybe you misread, my whole point is that the guy looked hispanic, and that came out from 240meowth as he looked Mexican. &nbsp;Just stereotypes that I feel don't really belong here - that Hispanic and Mexican are synonyms. &nbsp;I'd prefer if they weren't used that way. &nbsp;If you keep using it that way, then I have no choice but to deal with it, but I thought I'd try and bring it to everyone's attention first.

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Hey crazy cuban, &nbsp;please refrain from the use of profanity because it offends me.
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Ok...

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From now on I will be offended if someone calls me white or American (sure I was born in America, just as a Mexican is born in Mexico...). &nbsp;I will now be referred to as English-Irish-Dutch-German-American!

He called the guy Mexican or Italian cuz he thought the guy may have been a descendant or some other PC term from those countries. &nbsp;

So we would be offensive if we called someone from Mexico Mexican, but not if we call someone from America American? &nbsp;WTF is that? &nbsp;

This pc, racism, people are ignorant because I disagree stuff is going to #### far. &nbsp;It's bull. &nbsp;

CrazyCuban: Your name is now offensive to me because even though you may be from Cuba I don't want to hear you being called a cuban. &nbsp;You are now to change your name to CrazyHispanic.

How f'in dumb does that sound?

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Misread again. &nbsp;It's not offensive if you call someone who IS Mexican Mexican. &nbsp;It's getting there if you call someone who is Hispanic Mexican without being sure of their actual ethnicity first. &nbsp;I don't hae problems with labels, but Hispanics are mislabeled a lot as Mexicans, and it just gets old, u know?

####, this got blown WAY out of proportion. &nbsp;I was just trying to point that common mistake out, hoping you would learn how to deal with people - namely Hispanics - that if labeled would rather be labeled right, or at least generally, than wrong.

[whateverjames]

what if the car race happened in a mexican/italian neighborhood? &nbsp;and he said, he was either mexican or italian. what do you do then? ok nevermind i'm just talking outta my ass, what would be the chances of all that falling into place.

[crazycuban]

haha

[jdm togue]

I personally feel that any stereotypes are doing an injustice to those involved. &nbsp;We need to learn to live and speak as a community, labeling a person or ethnic group is still a form of racism...just my two cents worth

[Nismos14]

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I know you think oversensitivity is worse than racism - that's great, I don't really give a shit.
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if u dont give a shit about what he said why should he give a shit about what you said? why should he respect what ur saying if u won't respect what hes saying?

[zephyr]

I'm half italian and I wasn't offended by the comment...you're not even Mexican
are you mad that they guy he was trash talking might have been Cuban and mislabeled Mexican? are you saying the Cubans are *better* than Mexicans? Would you be offended if someone thought you looked Mexican? It's not my fault if you look like you're from a certain geographic region and i thought you were from another...I'm Italian, German, Irish, Welsh, English, French, Dutch and Scottish...but a lot of people think I'm Jewish...does that make them ignorant or racist? NO. Stop your whining and worry about more important things. This is a car forum. Talk about your turbo dreams and have fun. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[MyFirst240SX]

Well just to Put my two cents in. &nbsp;Im white(Irish Scottish then british and a little german) but i am very proud to live in our country so i call myself a american. &nbsp;How do u think it feels for the 20-30 *white* colored people to put up with BS when we fill out any sort of form(SAT's job etc) We are labeled as white should we be PC and label u as Tan? Are white people so supirior to other races? I dont think so. &nbsp;SO why do all other races in america get a leg up on everything it seems like, i dont understand that where i live there are just as many poor white kids as other races. &nbsp;I have a better GPA than my Hispanic freind JR and about the same SAT, and he has gotten just about 2wice as many scholarships. &nbsp;is that fair?
About the u getting followed around in stores bc of your race, well i guess bc of the way i dress when i go into stores i have had numerious people follow me around stores. so u are not alone on that issue.
Why does his offend you so much, what sort have things have u seen posted on this Forum that has been so offensive besides this?

[MyFirst240SX]

Why does Your specific nationality deserve more reconnection than mine?

[rubbersidedown]

#### it Nismos14! The last post was on the 11, that was like 2 days ago! The rest was finally dieing and no one was getting all pissy anymore and then you go back 2 days and dig it back up... were you bored or something? J/k but seriously... it stopped 2 days ago.. :-\

[HippoSleek]

To all of you getting bent out of shape - I ask this: &nbsp;Does the guy's race matter? &nbsp;Is it necessary for the story? &nbsp;Did you mention - &quot;this kid with red hair and freckles that was short said...&quot; &nbsp;NO!! &nbsp;No one ever uses this shit in describing events/people (especially those that they find stupid or other wise inferior). &nbsp;Yet race always seems to find its way into the story.

If you don't ask why, maybe you're part of the problem.

[MyFirst240SX]

Oh....i thought it was new.....oh well