Fmic

[f2a4s0t]

I was talking to the guy I am buying my sr from and he says a fmic is just bling unless I plan on upgrading my turbo. I don't know what to think because an fmic is awsome for cooling charged air let me know what you guys think.

[Eyescream]

A front-mount isn't *really* necessary if you're just gonna be running stock boost levels on an essentially stock setup. There's a whole bunch of people using OEM sidemount intercoolers with zero problems that are just fine with it. Upgrading doesn't hurt, though (especially if the clip or motorset you buy has a damaged sidemount or none at all included); just be careful not to get one so large that it hurts your efficiency.

[f2a4s0t]

I am thinking about the Trust vspl. it is relativley cheap and trust makes good stuff. they make a s13 sr20 fmic. Any have any experience with this?

[wylin]

trust greddy vspl is the worse intercooler i've ever seen. Cheap Bar plate design core and the unit gets heat soaked after a couple of hard runs.

if u wanna be cheap and get that level of core spend 450$ and get a garageworks spearco core FMIC kit which has just as much bling and about 2/3 the price.

www.garageworksltd.com

personally i'd spend 50$ more then the VSPL's price and get a HKS type S or Blitz LM ( based on www.phase2motortrend.com pricing). I personally run a Blitz LM and i think its one of the best FMIC kits availible.

[Steeles]

bah my Vspl has never seen heatsoak. stays nice a frigid no matter what I've throw at it. but hey your mileage may vary. pearco is the only company putting up pressure drop # anyway. so go with what you can afford.

[Jeff240sx]

Originally posted by wylin
trust greddy vspl is the worse intercooler i've ever seen. Cheap Bar plate design core and the unit gets heat soaked after a couple of hard runs.

if u wanna be cheap and get that level of core spend 450$ and get a garageworks spearco core FMIC kit which has just as much bling and about 2/3 the price.

www.garageworksltd.com

personally i'd spend 50$ more then the VSPL's price and get a HKS type S or Blitz LM ( based on www.phase2motortrend.com pricing). I personally run a Blitz LM and i think its one of the best FMIC kits availible.

Wow. What a load of bull****. Did you need a dumptruck to park that on Zilvia? GReddy uses a tube-and-fin core. HKS uses a tube and fin core. GReddy and HKS, for most intents and purposes, are the same. Spearco uses both a tube-and-fin (in newer core models) and bar-and-plate.
Now.. core design 101. While tube-and-fin designs keep the intake charge cooler, bar-and-plate have a higher efficiency (which is why they are smaller. Most people say its a 35% more efficient core) and have less pressure drop. Spearco is generally about .3psi at some really high total psi. I'll take a Spearco. The turbo already compressed the air, so why lose it. The temp difference is within a few degrees anyway...
-Jeff

[wylin]

Greddy VSPL - We hate to say this since we also sell this intercooler, but this proves the ole saying of you paid what you get. The kit is decently pieced up but lack instructions (which we felt was pathetic for buying something that does not have any literature at all), SOMETIMES the kit will come with mis matched piping, brackets or accessory bolts, so don't be surprised and complain to us for giving you the wrong pieces. We didn't, Greddy did. The intercooler core is missing quality, while it's constructed of tube/fin setup, it resembles more towards bar/plate style which are cheaper to construct. The pipings are beautifully polished, so that's a good thing. For alittle more money we always stir our customers to buy the HKS or Blitz. -

http://www.phase2motortrend.com/whicafinisda.html

my bad tube fin, VSPL still sucks in my view. We put on frank and gregs S14/S14 SR and honestly it does suck.

1. it didnt come w/ instructions.
2. the piping brackets where crap
3. the piping was off and we had to MAKE it fit.
4. He claims it gets heat soaked.

if u think its bull**** of give him a PM at gregshin his name on this board. how do i know this ? Im a friend of phase2 who did franks swap, hearing wayne bitch bout the VSPL + seeing how poorly it fits sincei work on franks car.

and yes i know that bar plate has less pressure drop. Tube fin core has more pressure drop, but is more effiecient. But anyhows since gregshins car is identical to mine except for the FMIC kit (and being a kouki motor) i can honestly say that the blitz was a much better choice, car feels stronger and after a few hard runs it doesnt feel so down on power.

go tow sumthing w/ ur KA.

[drift freaq]

wylin making a ignorant statement...[go tow sumthing w/ ur KA.]

Wylin your attitude sucks!!! you know its people like you that give the 240 community a bad name.
Fact is there is nothing wrong with KA's and no 240 KA 's are not truck motors. The truck engines are made in mexico and have different torque and hp specs.
Now that said I do like SR's I don't like SR Nazi's and you sir are one . I have respect for Phasetrend and Wayne to a point that point is when you guys start dissing KA's because you sell SR's get off your damn JDM bandwagon.
I have heard wayne make ignorant statements to me on the phone about KA's I have bit my tongue . I will not here. You guys do not know everything about engines or intercoolers so just lose the attitude and realize there is always someone more knowledgeable and aware then you are .

oh and by the way I am not saying I am more knowledgeable just a little more open minded and willing to learn.

[wylin]

Originally posted by drift freaq
wylin making a ignorant statement...[go tow sumthing w/ ur KA.]

Wylin your attitude sucks!!! you know its people like you that give the 240 community a bad name.
Fact is there is nothing wrong with KA's and no 240 KA 's are not truck motors. The truck engines are made in mexico and have different torque and hp specs.
Now that said I do like SR's I don't like SR Nazi's and you sir are one . I have respect for Phasetrend and Wayne to a point that point is when you guys start dissing KA's because you sell SR's get off your damn JDM bandwagon.
I have heard wayne make ignorant statements to me on the phone about KA's I have bit my tongue . I will not here. You guys do not know everything about engines or intercoolers so just lose the attitude and realize there is always someone more knowledgeable and aware then you are .

oh and by the way I am not saying I am more knowledgeable just a little more open minded and willing to learn.

lol wells said. ur an ok guy, dave tho i feel this flame is irresponsible. only reason i made the comment cuz i was insulted first by mr. super moderator.

but yah that comment aint from wayne or anyone at phase2. That comments from me... reflecting my attitude toward superjeff and directed his auto KA majesty.

nehows back im going back to eating my breath mints (certs)? want one too get the flaming taste oute ur mouth!?! :p

[BuudWeizErr]

I have Vspl on my SR. Two things annoy me a lot. Yes the piping did fit pretty well. It's not perfect, but I don't expect it to be. The annoying things is the lack of instructions. I'm not stupid, but a bunch of generic, different sized brackets isn't exactly the easiest puzzle to decipher. Also, the recirculating valve bung on the bottom half of the hot pipe. Honestly, what percentage of the population that runs a front mount actually uses the stock recirculating valve? That would be like running a T3/T04E on 20 psi with a stock exhaust system. Stupid.

But those things are easily remedied. I had one of phase2crew weld that bung shut, and I figured out the brackets myself.

On the other hand, I have seen and installed a Blitz LM front mount on my friends car. The biggest thing I noticed was the piping. I liked it A LOT better than my own. Blitz LM actually came with instructions and none of that stupid recirc bung BS.

Blitz > HKS > GReddy IMHO.

[phase2]

Originally posted by drift freaq
I have heard wayne make ignorant statements to me on the phone about KA's I have bit my tongue . I will not here. [/B]

Really? Please do refresh my memory on what I have said that might have offended you and if so I apologize, but to my knowledge I don't recall when and what I have said about the KA engine. As a matter of fact I do like the KA engine and am playing with the thoughs of KA turboing my S13 beater or RB25DET swap.

As for intercooler, as the old saying goes you put 2 scientist in the same room and they will not agree with each other. Just go with what you like that fits your budget. Our recommendation is to go for the best parts for your money, so for us is HKS or Blitz FMIC over Greddy. Even tough we make more profit selling Greddy i/c over HKS and Blitz. But we do not operate business based solely on profit.

Best Regards

Wayne
Phase 2

[richardxfeng]

Hehehehe

[nokeone]

Originally posted by phase2
Really? Please do refresh my memory on what I have said that might have offended you and if so I apologize, but to my knowledge I don't recall when and what I have said about the KA engine. As a matter of fact I do like the KA engine and am playing with the thoughs of KA turboing my S13 beater or RB25DET swap.

As for intercooler, as the old saying goes you put 2 scientist in the same room and they will not agree with each other. Just go with what you like that fits your budget. Our recommendation is to go for the best parts for your money, so for us is HKS or Blitz FMIC over Greddy. Even tough we make more profit selling Greddy i/c over HKS and Blitz. But we do not operate business based solely on profit.

Best Regards

Wayne
Phase 2

good business attitude...:)..i too run an import business and like when i see individuals handle situations in a mature and dignified manor..

sorry to interject...just wanted to give credit for somethin good rather then bad for a change...

:)

carry on..lol

[wylin]

To dave/ driftfreaq/ mr.cartune north.

please also do not insult phase2 whom im pretty sure doesnt know u very well...esp since wayne was confused which dave u are...

It IRKS me u could spill so much Libel outa ur mouth over an off remark...to someone like wayne who has done u no wrong...

ALSO, a suggestion maybe since you are probably the oldest person (phyiscally obviously not mentally) on this messageboard u should set an example not to make irresponsible flame type statements toward people u barely know...

[vinyladdic7ion]

lack of instructions? stop your bickering. its just a bunch of pipes not wires. shows a lack of intelligence and common sense. i can put a front mount intercooler on a fc3s with a blindfold & volume to the max dj shadow music. puuh

[AceInHole]

I know two people with a couple of the mentioned ICs, one with a Blitz LM and one with a Greddy VSPL, and the Blitz LM kit was the one missing a connector. As for performance, I haven't noticed either one of them being faster than the other.....
I still claim my NPR fmic is better, though :p

Originally posted by wylin
That comments from me... reflecting my attitude toward superjeff and directed his auto KA majesty.
I thought he swapped to a 5spd. He was asking if I could get a 5spd center trim peice a long while ago.

[RanciD]

Originally posted by BuudWeizErr
Honestly, what percentage of the population that runs a front mount actually uses the stock recirculating valve?

That would be the percentage of the population that likes to keep performance. If you're using a lambda probe, then you're fine with an atmosphere vented blow-off valve. If (like in a 240SX) you're using a Mass Air Flow sensor then an atmosphere vented valve will hurt your performance. When you let off the throttle (to shift for example) the ECU doesn't know that you just vented out some air.. air which it already calculated into the a/f ratio. Now you don't have all the air the ECU thinks you do so you run rich. The ECU sees this and starts to lean out the a/f ratio.. just about the time you're off the clutch and back on the gas.. building boost at full throttle while the ECU is leaning the air/fuel mixture. Not a good combination.

[AceInHole]

Originally posted by RanciD
That would be the percentage of the population that likes to keep performance.
unless you're running performance electronics or hardware to compensate for the vented air

[RanciD]

Originally posted by AceInHole
unless you're running performance electronics or hardware to compensate for the vented air

Which you'll see in my post if you read the second and third lines. :)