Parts shop max or fortune auto or stance!!!

[c-los13]

(s13 hatch)
which brand goes lower??
ItS my dd i want it to be comfortable but i want it to be super low too
i got some godspeed coilovers on right now and just so everybody knows.....they dont go low at all!!!!!!!!!!!! I took off both collars on the front and i still have have an inch wheel gap w 5 lug se's.
Anybody???

[lexlaxlux]

post in the right section first... but in response to your question. PBM by far.

[FaLKoN240]

I would get Stance.

[Irresistible]

I swear by Stance for my suspension. They go very low, I have about 3 or 4 more inches of lowering room in the front and I'm already tucking my tire. (205/55/16 on stock 5 lug SEs).

[jacobs13]

how do stances ride? I know they go low but I wanna know if they are comfortable. OP i have godspeeps now too (only because I had heated death springs and I got the godspeeds really cheap haha) but mine actually go really low. Im tucking 18x9.5s with 245/45 and I still have more room to go.

[Couped_up'd]

Any of those will work. I have fortune auto coilovers. I have never seen anything go lower. =)

[Kwonza Says]

Stances...they go low I daily drive it and have no problems. PBM they go low but 10k/8k is just too gnar for daily. Dont know much about fortune auto.

[mkezzo16]

I can vouch for Fortune Auto, friends has them on his car..they are smooth and go low, im on tanabes, but Fortunes are next for me. Also im not sure if Stance is american made,
but you can have fortune autos factory rebuilt here without having to ship them oversees if they have any issues

[eklips3]

Im a supporter of fortune auto as well, they go low thats for sure. i tried to almost max them out without flipping collars and i was tucking a 16x8.5 rim with 45 sidewall.

the ride on these is very very comfortable, their dampening adjustment really makes a difference with each click you go

[TheRealSy90]

I have fortune's and my car is literally on the ground.

At this height they ride smooooooth to.

Make sure to get 12k 10k

[c-los13]

I can vouch for Fortune Auto, friends has them on his car..they are smooth and go low, im on tanabes, but Fortunes are next for me. Also im not sure if Stance is american made,
but you can have fortune autos factory rebuilt here without having to ship them oversees if they have any issues

thats crazy
i have a friend w stances and theyre super low but like i said its my daily
so ill get some soft spring for now
anybody got a pic????

po i didnt know it was the wrong section but thanks to everybody anyways

[Fortitude]

All three of those companies are known for lowness, but stance to me is played out in the northern states, PBM or Fortune for sure.

[c-los13]

i got myself some 350z rims this morning
im planning on buying one of these brands next month next month
does anybody know a way to go lower besides taking off the collars????

[eklips3]

i got myself some 350z rims this morning
im planning on buying one of these brands next month next month
does anybody know a way to go lower besides taking off the collars????

there really is no other way to go lower without flipping collars.
but to fit some 350z rims , im pretty sure you wont have to touch the collars

[FaLKoN240]

All three of those companies are known for lowness, but stance to me is played out in the northern states, PBM or Fortune for sure.

Yeah bro, totally don't wanna get the same suspension that other people have.
:cj:

[yingiang]

i want to see pics of you guys cars with fortunes "slammed"
and dont post a car with dinky ass 15"/16" wheels

PBM gets my vote. on my second set

[c-los13]

yeah for sure me too,
i post up pics of my s13 w maxed out godspeeds and how they look w the 350z wheels
Lets post some pics up!

[thefro526]

Yeah bro, totally don't wanna get the same suspension that other people have.
:cj:

I lol-ed.

Seriously though, you can't go wrong with any of the three of those.

PBM seems to ride a bit on the stiff side from what I've seen, so depending on what you're planning on doing with the car I would look into Stance and Fortune first.

[Kwonza Says]

Yeah bro, totally don't wanna get the same suspension that other people have.
:cj:

+1 msglength...

[codyace]

I'll never understand why 95% of coilover threads are only concerned with

1. Not being popular
2. How low they can go

[codyace]

All three of those companies are known for lowness, but stance to me is played out in the northern states, PBM or Fortune for sure.

They are all the same shit, different colors.

[xSoCalxRiderx125]

I have pbm coils with the subframe risers and wanted to see how low i could actually get it so i decided to max my coils out. My car turned into a submarine. haven't seen it since...

Part shop coils do run stiff but the suspension is set up for drift. Some people like it some people dont. thats just the way things are. Get a hat. write down these three coils on a separate piece of paper and draw from that hat. " part shop sucks" stance sucks" " blah blah blah just pick one. if you dont like it get something else. no need to start a thread that has been discussed before.

[D.Adams]

They are all the same shit, different colors.


Can you back this up..

[codyace]

Can you back this up..

Goto NRR and look at the comparisons yourself.


Ultimatly it breaks down like this this

Sub 1000 = . Wow they go low, wow they have annodized parts. 10k/8k ZOMG DRIFT SPEC AWESOMENESS WITH METLA RODS FOR DAMPNERS FOR ULTIMATE LOW. Looks cool in parking lots, and impresses the trailer park umbrella girls.

1000-1500 = Equal decency. Better dampners (good is a far stretch) but still use the same bullshit click plates to trick owners into 32 super duper changes (when it's really about 8 at most. Here you get nicer stuff, maybe some decent plates uptop. Now you can pick what rate you want. Yippie. I hate the fact they are usually exclusive to size tho :/ At least you can see these guys have adds in super street, maybe on a few cool guy cars.There are some decent ones in here, but typically on the top end.

1600+ Well, at this rate you actually know what you're looking for and will either build your own, or spend the money for a real deal bolt on system. KW's, Koni Setups, Bilstein setups, etc etc. The JIC2's are decent, but I think overpriced. Never been on a set of the newer Apexi's, so I can't comment


I'm not saying we all need to go get 2200 dollar setups. I'm not saying we all should drive 800 Megans. In the end of the day, it's about staying within budget. The 800 dollar ones work...and are more than good enough for street guys. THe 1500 dollar ones will work nice. But those serious about competition don't even look at threads like this.

Trust me I'm not a coilover snob - they all 'work'...those who kow what they are looking for will know what to buy. Those who want to buy brands will get whatever is advertised the most in the major magazines, and those who just want cheap and low will get the entry level stuff. Regardless.

[c-los13]

im not about the brand at all trust me!!
im just kinda obsessed with lowness that's all ha
ima call all the 3 companies to see which one has the better pricing
i saw some bc coilovers earlier but i didnt like the pics they had
thanks to everybody for giving their opinion.

[codyace]

at least you can admit you are a ricer...you are better than most.

[c-los13]

ricer???
i might be a noob at drifting
but that dont make me a ricer
why cant i just want a nice looking car?
how does that make me a ricer???
get a life and stop picking on young dudes that are trying to come up
you dont know the hard work i have put on this car myself
you dont even know me bro so stfu!

[yingiang]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHA
this thread sucks

[battle_240sx]

heres mine with godspeed coils and 350z wheels everything removed. i am getting PBM next month cause they are the best bang for buck andthe godspeeds just dont cut it for drifting

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b272/cornell_okidrifter/075.jpg
and with mustang wheels
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b272/cornell_okidrifter/094.jpg

[Perfect Balance]

Fortune Auto's don't really go that low. The only really low one I've seen is TheRealSy90s car, and I have a feeling the 12/10kg springs use a 6 or 7 inch spring in the front instead of the regular 8 inch spring. I've got Fortune Autos the whole way down (still with collars and non flipped brackets) and even with another 2 inches or so with flipping the brackets and pulling collars, they wouldn't be that low. Low, but nothing special. I've seen other cars on Fortune Autos as well, but they weren't that low, barely tucking tire on 17's.


Of course, you could buy some Fortune Autos, and then buy some 6 inch springs for the front for ~$150, have a car that can be sitting on the ground, and still has a better damper than Stance or PBM, for less than a set of Stance coils go for.

I plan on buying shorter springs this spring for mine.

[all show no go]

OMG.. these coilover threads.

[udon!]

According to s0apgun pbm are garbage compared to stance. He says he knows the owner of a company that knows how both are made. I personally would trust him because He seems pretty confident in what he's talking about.

I've heard there alot more comfortable than pbm and pbm weren't even that stiff to me.

Oh and pbm go like a half an inch lower than stance.

[iheartmysil80]

this thread does suck... but my for my 2 cents, PBM does slam but not recommended for dd since it IS 'competition' coilovers. As for comfort, c'mon dude, coilovers in general are never really comfortable.

[SuicidnS13]

ricer???
i might be a noob at drifting
but that dont make me a ricer
why cant i just want a nice looking car?
how does that make me a ricer???
get a life and stop picking on young dudes that are trying to come up
you dont know the hard work i have put on this car myself
you dont even know me bro so stfu!

Ricer = person who drives Asian Domestic Car slammed with a fart can - duh!!!!

Potatoe Gunner - person who drives a USDM car slammed with flowmasters

Cuscus Burner - Italian machine driver who fist pumps at clubs and has lots of gel in there hair...

ect

[nathanong87]

i have cut springs....ultimately lowness.

[SuicidnS13]

i have cut springs....ultimately lowness.

This is a great example of post whoring...

[c-los13]

im sure everybody starts as a ricer
right????????????

Fffff it
here is my ride

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc68/karetronco/s13-1-1.jpg

[zooopreme]

Coilovers aren't supposed to be "comfortable" per say and I've driven on Fortunes (8K/6K), Megans(12K/10K), and Stances(8K/6K).

And they all go low, but I'm here to vouch for my Fortune Autos, here I have the rears, they have inches left to go, don't mind my face:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5203/5241304385_cec6632e03_z.jpg

And the fronts look like this:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4132/5190582405_49ae75836b_z.jpg

Here's how the car looks like now:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4125/5195855613_eb1c98f7ed_z.jpg

Do the math, if I have that much left on the coilover...Imagine how much lower you can get with Fortune Autos. (I sounds like a sales rep for FA)

I would definitely recommend Stance or Fortune Auto. The valving on both companies are both great. I daily Fortune Autos and I've tracked Stances on my cousin's car. I got FA's only because you get a deal on Zilvia through Billy lol

[Bushido]

i've had part shop max coils for 3 years.

no problems with em. they are a quality product.

however, they are not comfortable. don't listen to anyone that says they arent that stiff.

they are fucking stiff.

[MikeisNissan]

Coilovers aren't supposed to be "comfortable" per say and I've driven on Fortunes (8K/6K), Megans(12K/10K), and Stances(8K/6K).

And they all go low, but I'm here to vouch for my Fortune Autos, here I have the rears, they have inches left to go, don't mind my face:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5203/5241304385_cec6632e03_z.jpg

And the fronts look like this:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4132/5190582405_49ae75836b_z.jpg

Here's how the car looks like now:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4125/5195855613_eb1c98f7ed_z.jpg

Do the math, if I have that much left on the coilover...Imagine how much lower you can get with Fortune Autos. (I sounds like a sales rep for FA)

I would definitely recommend Stance or Fortune Auto. The valving on both companies are both great. I daily Fortune Autos and I've tracked Stances on my cousin's car. I got FA's only because you get a deal on Zilvia through Billy lol


post whoring too, but lol who the fuck takes pictures of themselves cheesing infront of their wheel wheels, you look like a goof. "the fronts looks like this" (duh) (and this is my front! CHEESE)

[wh0aitznic0]

Coilovers aren't supposed to be "comfortable" per say and I've driven on Fortunes (8K/6K), Megans(12K/10K), and Stances(8K/6K).

And they all go low, but I'm here to vouch for my Fortune Autos, here I have the rears, they have inches left to go, don't mind my face:

And the fronts look like this:



Here's how the car looks like now:



Do the math, if I have that much left on the coilover...Imagine how much lower you can get with Fortune Autos. (I sounds like a sales rep for FA)

I would definitely recommend Stance or Fortune Auto. The valving on both companies are both great. I daily Fortune Autos and I've tracked Stances on my cousin's car. I got FA's only because you get a deal on Zilvia through Billy lol

Your car is a 4x4.

THIS is how low PBM goes.

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w95/wh0aitznic0/utf-8BSU1HMDAwMzAtMjAxMDA4MjYtMTgzNC5qcGc.jpg

Ride's not too bad but I have full multilink and collars so that doesn't help in the comfort area.

[1on1]

I have pbm coilovers and this is how low I am.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/1on1/my%20carS/d2442fe4.jpg

I believe my car was all the way down with 1 collar removed when I took this picture. the rears still have a good two inch or something (i forgot). PBM's aren't that stiff compared to my hks hipermax coilovers.

for a comfortable ride, i hear stance are the way to go.

at the time it was pbm for 1150 shipped or stance gr+ pro for 1350 shipped

[tims05]

Okay heres a noob question. (most likely its been ask before) What would you guys suggest for spring rates go for daily use and track use on a s14?

From what ive been reading for daily driving people say go 8k/6k for track ive seen some suggest 12k/10k. It seems to go back and forth ALOT!

Ive got coils on my 05 Gto and im running 7k/7k and for coilovers it rides smooth but still lets ya know ur on coilovers.

Still havent decided on whos coilovers ill get for my s14. Just intreseted in what info you guys have on spring rates.

[1on1]

if you plan on daily/track the car, run 12/10 and set the damp on the lowest setting while you daily.

im on pbm, full stiff, and I have no problems with it.however, i think it's annoying when the roads are shitty as fuck though, so I drive and route myself onto the smoothest roads where ever i travel. if not, i just deal with it and the traffic behind me.

[Bushido]

part shop max coils on anything but the smoothest pavement + hot coffee = 3rd degree burns on lap

[zooopreme]

post whoring too, but lol who the fuck takes pictures of themselves cheesing infront of their wheel wheels, you look like a goof. "the fronts looks like this" (duh) (and this is my front! CHEESE)

I was showing a picture of the coilover itself with how much thread left there is on the coilover with 0 preload and 0 droop so that OP can make his own judgment. What's me in the picture go to do with you?

I provided concrete facts and actually pictures to help OP. So let me ask you something, what did you provide to answer OP's question? Nothing at all. So sit down and shut the fuck up, scrub and take your e-thug bullshit somewhere else.

@whoaitznico, as I stated on my reply,


Do the math, if I have that much left on the coilover...Imagine how much lower you can get with Fortune Autos.

...with the other pictures that I provided of the coilovers without the wheels I was telling OP to see how much more lower the car can get so even if my car is 4x4-ing, he could figure that much.

[memphis180sx]

i have stance gr+ coils and i love em and they go as low as youll ever need to be,also if you can get a hold of some dmax coils there great to ive riden on a few sets and there comfy and go low

[slomar91]

I had apexi N1's for over a year daily driven and tracked. They went lower then you could ever need them too, had proper damping and you could actually notice the difference between clicks. I liked them alot.

[nathanong87]

This is a great example of post whoring...

i say the same thing in all these threads anyways. lol

i vote stance on the simple fact that the TF guys are nice, and often carry replacement parts IN stock.

[drift freaq]

I would definitely recommend Stance or Fortune Auto. The valving on both companies are both great.

And the above statement shows you know absolutely nothing about proper shock valving. If you think the valving is great, go look at at some graph plots for them.

Fortune Auto may have something because they are digressive somewhat but Stance are not digressive and not that great.

Koni,Bilstein,KW,Ohlins, Moton, Penske , Aragosta those are companies that have great valving neither Stance or Fortune Auto fall into that catagory.

Ok, entry level stuff is where Stance and Fortune Auto fall. Not great.

[wh0aitznic0]

I was showing a picture of the coilover itself with how much thread left there is on the coilover with 0 preload and 0 droop so that OP can make his own judgment. What's me in the picture go to do with you?

I provided concrete facts and actually pictures to help OP. So let me ask you something, what did you provide to answer OP's question? Nothing at all. So sit down and shut the fuck up, scrub and take your e-thug bullshit somewhere else.

@whoaitznico, as I stated on my reply,



...with the other pictures that I provided of the coilovers without the wheels I was telling OP to see how much more lower the car can get so even if my car is 4x4-ing, he could figure that much.

You sound mad.

[mattack69]

heres mine with godspeed coils and 350z wheels everything removed. i am getting PBM next month cause they are the best bang for buck andthe godspeeds just dont cut it for drifting

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b272/cornell_okidrifter/075.jpg
and with mustang wheels
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b272/cornell_okidrifter/094.jpg

your shop IS still open, hmmrmm

[zooopreme]

And the above statement shows you know absolutely nothing about proper shock valving. If you think the valving is great, go look at at some graph plots for them.


...so they aren't great coilovers out of the three companies OP asked about? This statement indicates that you do not know how to answer the question that has been handed to you with a straight answer.

I understand that my statement was a bit subjective but look at OP's question, he wasn't asking for a coilover setup like Koni's, KW, Onlins, Penske, etc. He was asking about three entry level companies.

Put it into perspective. Most of us drive on these entry level coilovers for the ride height and not so much great suspension valving on a daily driver. And I doubt that many people would spend more than 50K on parts for a 240 JUST to daily it.

You all forget the attention to the details of the question and the attention to perspective here. OP was asking about 3 brands. You named 7 companies that were neither of the 3.

But I'm sorry, this is Zilvia. Most of you are really instigating out of boredom.

If you read thoroughly through my replies along with the others who answered OP's question with insightful info, there should be no excuse for wanting to instigate a debate/argument.

And no, I'm not mad. The clutter of stupid replies that do not pertain to OP's question is just ridiculous here.

[95KA-Turbo]

I'm on Fortunes, I had to trim my front bracket a little to get this low - but thats because I'm running 9K springs which are 8" tall! If you opted for the swift spring option, which will make it ride and perform better, you can get some 6" front springs and tuck 17s no problem - I am running 17s.

http://knoop.sumospeed.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/kit2-900.jpg

http://knoop.sumospeed.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/kit4.jpg

w/o sides

http://knoop.sumospeed.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/backfromdw1.jpg

My friend has a 350Z on KW Variant 3 coilovers, my fortunes feel very similar in terms of ride quality on the street. Mine feel slightly more rigid, but its not a huge difference.


Bottom line:
1- You wont find a coilover in this price range that rides this good (digressive valving)
2- You can get them revalved and serviced in the US
3- With swift springs you can touch your frame to the ground.

[Corbic]

Which ever color and logo you like best.

Do you feel cooler saying PBM... kinda like PBR...

Do you wanna be Hella Flush with Mad-Stance yo?

Or are you baller with some Fortune Autos? Cause they sound expensive and Japanese?

[chiboy002]

why is this thread still alive?

Stance has better valving from what i've been told, springs aren't stiff (6k/8k)

PBM go lower easier, but have stiffer coils (8k/10k) and are entry-level

Fortunes get good discount and go low


YOU CAN MAKE ANY FUCKING COILOVER LOW... jesus

Someone post some test results and that picture of the japanese magazine doing a comparison with pbm coming out as best

let this thread die

[Corbic]

why is this thread still alive?

Stance has better valving from what i've been told, springs aren't stiff (6k/8k)

PBM go lower easier, but have stiffer coils (8k/10k) and are entry-level

Fortunes get good discount and go low


YOU CAN MAKE ANY FUCKING COILOVER LOW... jesus

Someone post some test results and that picture of the japanese magazine doing a comparison with pbm coming out as best

let this thread die


Reason this goes on is because it's all hearsay.


Some dood on a forum I'm kissing ass too to look cool says he knows some dood that says they are made by the same people.

This one guy has megans which he says suck and i have ksport that i daily but I road in my budies car with godspeeds and it rode as nice as mine but this other guy posted a picture of some car with stances that are lower but everyone on zilvia says PBMs are the shit but guys at SCCA events laugh and say Koni are the best but those are expensive... so are ISIS the same cause they are all made in teh same Chinese plant as Apexi and Apexi has lots of ads in my import super tuner street magazine and therefore as super awesome but the drift king has green seatbelts and coilovers... to teins are cool, but my friends older brother had them and says they suck and his megans are better... but...


:barf:


Noobs wanting slammed cars should just admit it, buy whatever slams the most and move on. They will never know the difference as they will not be changing out their coils they just spent 6 months saving for or had mommy buy on ebay in the next 3 years; nor will they ever have their car corner balanced.

[!!chuy!!]

i have pbm coilovers and if u wanna slam ur car thats the way to go . they put my other teins to shame ,they handle like heaven and they go super low! but as a daily i would recoment the 8k 6k setup instead of the 10k 8k . i currently run the 10k 8k springs and planing on switching to the softer setup , other than that i love them!!!
my rear is fully lifted and im almost tucking on 15's , if i slam them im sure thell be around the lug nutts slamed . thats low....!!!!!!

[codyace]

ricer???
i might be a noob at drifting
but that dont make me a ricer
why cant i just want a nice looking car?
how does that make me a ricer???
get a life and stop picking on young dudes that are trying to come up
you dont know the hard work i have put on this car myself
you dont even know me bro so stfu!

I'm not your bro. Bro.


You are a ricer, that's the bottom line. Sorry, just because you are young and broke is NO excuse to buy half assed products...sure lengtening that 'signature mod list' may impress your other WalMart parking lot friends, but it doesn't even begin to make someone who knows what is what.

As I (and I thought plainly said) mentioned, I could care less if you're content with a cheap ass coilover. Sweet/ASwesome/Congrats...maybe I should stroke your ego to make you believe your purchase was good? Nah, that's unfair to you, as it bascially makes me 'approve' of the nonsense.

Ricer is a owner who's sole focus is to look cool, and fit in. Super low, neon lights, fart cans...same mission, different result. No offense but your comments pretty much spell out that you could 'care less' about perfomrnace, you want low (and slow), and to have a 'better brand' in your mod list. Barf.

I'm all about helping or explaining things on here, but you can't fix stupid. I don't have to know 'you' to realize 'that'.


Noobs wanting slammed cars should just admit it, buy whatever slams the most and move on. They will never know the difference as they will not be changing out their coils they just spent 6 months saving for or had mommy buy on ebay in the next 3 years; nor will they ever have their car corner balanced.

LOOOOOOOOL LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL This is classic.

It's the truth though. I'm not one to give 2 shits about peole buying junk. Awesome. Doesn't effect me. I've used most of the junk, and now have Konis...trust me, I KNOW what rides best. I have true spring rate, real deal rebound/compression adjustment, and track my car. I hate parking lots too (plus no body there likes my non slammed, squeaky track brake pad, quiet exhaust, track car). They'd rather me role in scrapping the bumper, backfiring through a side exit, with a pink rollcage.

[Perfect Balance]

This is my car on Fortune Auto's all the way down, with collars and non flipped brackets.

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/2108/dscf0012z.jpg

Tires are 195/55/15 in the front and 195/60/15 rear. 10/8kg spring rate.

With flipped brackets and collars I've got 1.5-2 inches more in the front, rear has a good 3 inches at least before I've even got to pull collars.

From the middle of the wheel to the fender is 13 inches, A friend has a car on 215/45/17, no wheel gap, fender pretty much even with the tire, and middle of the wheel measurement to fender is almost exactly 12 inches. Factoring in approximately how much lower I can go by flipping the bracket and pulling collars, You're looking at tucking about half of a 215/45/17 tire. Not really all that low considering that is ALL you can do, short of getting shorter springs.

[Y0SH]

My friend has PBM's on his S13. He can still go about 2 inches lower and he scrapes on everything as it is. but he has factory wheels and tires right now. the rid is pretty rough but you get use to it.

[doomviillain]

I know its my choice on which coils to buy but I want some advice.
what would be good coils for daily driving and occasional track use. persay; going to the track like 5-8 times a year. Something comfortable. I dont care about lowness I care about quality, durability, comfort. I was thinking Tein basics?

[MikeisNissan]

stance gr+pro ftw awesome in every way.

[FaLKoN240]

I know its my choice on which coils to buy but I want some advice.
what would be good coils for daily driving and occasional track use. persay; going to the track like 5-8 times a year. Something comfortable. I dont care about lowness I care about quality, durability, comfort. I was thinking Tein basics?

Anything below Tein HE/Flex is a waste of your time.

You need to have coils that are ride height adjustable from threaded body and adjustable perches.

You'll want to go lower, you'll want to be able to adjust everything eventually.

[FusionR240sx]

All three of those companies are known for lowness, but stance to me is played out in the northern states, PBM or Fortune for sure.



lolllllll @ not rec. because they're "played out"
how do suspension parts get played out? hahahahahahahhaa.


i vote stance, go very low, ride quality is still pretty good.

but my biggest is because of those 2 + being local, so if i have any problems there right here for me.

[Karlitos]

I know its my choice on which coils to buy but I want some advice.
what would be good coils for daily driving and occasional track use. persay; going to the track like 5-8 times a year. Something comfortable. I dont care about lowness I care about quality, durability, comfort. I was thinking Tein basics?

KW variant 3!!! If you honestly dont care about lowness go with kw v3. They are 6/4 spring rates i think, good for DD and good stuff for the track. I was looking at the 3 companies in the post but i went with KW much more worth it.


to OP: PBMS will go the lowest, by far. But you will sacrafice major ride quality. extreme harshness in bumps due to improper valving...

Stance is paying $300 for a name that isnt even that good.

FA has the best valving of your 3 choices but i have feeling they dont go as low. its really up to you.
Like i was told buy 1. Your going to here everyone bashing something else. Ride on it for a few months if you dont like it, sell it, you'll loose 100 because of market, people still want all 3 of those companies... Buy something good in the first place (1700+ coilovers) and you'll probably end up happy... youll never know if you dont buy one. Just for reference: my KW on the HIGHEST setting on 235/40/18http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/3059/16451814086817596743410.jpg

[blktopsr20]

Apexi N1 EXV got my vote for daily comfort and occasional mad driving use. I've had them for years (6 to be exact) not a single issue.

[FusionR240sx]

ok ok ok ok... http://i375.photobucket.com/albums/oo197/fusionr300zx2/koukihome.jpg

18's all around. 40 series tire all around.
still go lower the front prolly a good 1.5" before i have to take collars off.

[doomviillain]

KW variant 3!!! If you honestly dont care about lowness go with kw v3. They are 6/4 spring rates i think, good for DD and good stuff for the track. I was looking at the 3 companies in the post but i went with KW much more worth it.


to OP: PBMS will go the lowest, by far. But you will sacrafice major ride quality. extreme harshness in bumps due to improper valving...

Stance is paying $300 for a name that isnt even that good.

FA has the best valving of your 3 choices but i have feeling they dont go as low. its really up to you.
Like i was told buy 1. Your going to here everyone bashing something else. Ride on it for a few months if you dont like it, sell it, you'll loose 100 because of market, people still want all 3 of those companies... Buy something good in the first place (1700+ coilovers) and you'll probably end up happy... youll never know if you dont buy one. Just for reference: my KW on the HIGHEST setting on 235/40/18http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/3059/16451814086817596743410.jpg
looks good. Kinda out of my budget or range of cash im willing to spend on coils but I definitely consider it.

[doomviillain]

ok ok ok ok... http://i375.photobucket.com/albums/oo197/fusionr300zx2/koukihome.jpg

18's all around. 40 series tire all around.
still go lower the front prolly a good 1.5" before i have to take collars off.

I heard good and bad things about stance, mostly good. How do they ride?
and do I have to preload coils before taking them go get aligned & 4 corner balanced

[drift freaq]

...so they aren't great coilovers out of the three companies OP asked about? This statement indicates that you do not know how to answer the question that has been handed to you with a straight answer.

I understand that my statement was a bit subjective but look at OP's question, he wasn't asking for a coilover setup like Koni's, KW, Onlins, Penske, etc. He was asking about three entry level companies.

Put it into perspective. Most of us drive on these entry level coilovers for the ride height and not so much great suspension valving on a daily driver. And I doubt that many people would spend more than 50K on parts for a 240 JUST to daily it.

You all forget the attention to the details of the question and the attention to perspective here. OP was asking about 3 brands. You named 7 companies that were neither of the 3.

But I'm sorry, this is Zilvia. Most of you are really instigating out of boredom.

If you read thoroughly through my replies along with the others who answered OP's question with insightful info, there should be no excuse for wanting to instigate a debate/argument.

And no, I'm not mad. The clutter of stupid replies that do not pertain to OP's question is just ridiculous here.


Wow your even more of an idiot than I thought. Sorry but you bring it on with what you wrote above.
Read my post again. I actually mentioned that Fortune were digressive. If you knew anything about shocks you would realize that is a good thing.

I was responding to your statement. Which was ignorant and rather misleading. Stance, or Fortune auto are not great! They are OK entry level.

Sorry but you need to either learn and grow or shut the fuck up.

Fact is you brought this upon yourself by your own statements.

You talk about people who have knowledge being ridiculous because they post the knowledge?

What is ridiculous is idiots like you posting about stuff you know nothing about and then trying to flame people who are posting good info.

Mad? No. Bored? No. Tired of seeing people like you posting? Yes. Go learn about suspension and then you can talk about how great a coilover is or is not.
Until then your observations are worthless drivel that will not help the OP.

[chiboy002]

nor will they ever have their car corner balanced.
don't even - i had mine... but between spring rates/all that i haven't noticed shit considering i've only ever owned stances

[TheRealSy90]

Figured I might as well post a pic of my car since I was mentioned in this thread...

These are with Fortune Auto 500's. 12k Front 10k Rear.

I don't know if the 12k 10k springs are shorter like someone mentioned.

I see alot of people talking bad about the valving on the Fortune Auto coils. At this ride height on the softest setting my car rides very smooth on the streets. I bump up the dampening from 1 to 8 "out of 32" when i'm out on the track at events and I can immediately feel the difference. Bump them all the way up to 32 and your driving a shopping cart at that point haha.


All of the collars are removed except the spring perch of course. The springs themselves are not preloaded or drooped at all. I can still go lower.

http://insepsis.com/extra/Sylas/sylas-4.jpg
http://insepsis.com/extra/Sylas/sylas-7.jpg

Now, I am not saying that these are better or worse than PBM as I have no personal experience with their coils.

I just laugh when people say that Fortune's don't go low.

[Tearlessj]

I have fortunes auto on my car and they can go low. IF you flip the front bracket and remove the collars.
It was def lower then the car posted above. I had about 1/2" of clearance from my sway bar to the ground with 18's.

THEN I realized how stupid it was to be that low, how shitty it handled and how dangerous it was. After one event, I raised it back up to normal lowness.

Heres a pic of it before I lowered the rear, note that I pulled up on my fenders to clear my wheels. The chassis to ground clearance was ridiculous.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g149/tearlessj/kjgui-3.jpg

[SuicidnS13]

Wow your even more of an idiot than I thought. Sorry but you bring it on with what you wrote above.
Read my post again. I actually mentioned that Fortune were digressive. If you knew anything about shocks you would realize that is a good thing.

I was responding to your statement. Which was ignorant and rather misleading. Stance, or Fortune auto are not great! They are OK entry level.

Sorry but you need to either learn and grow or shut the fuck up.

Fact is you brought this upon yourself by your own statements.

You talk about people who have knowledge being ridiculous because they post the knowledge?

What is ridiculous is idiots like you posting about stuff you know nothing about and then trying to flame people who are posting good info.

Mad? No. Bored? No. Tired of seeing people like you posting? Yes. Go learn about suspension and then you can talk about how great a coilover is or is not.
Until then your observations are worthless drivel that will not help the OP.

++++111111111 and quoted for truth

Ahh the good ole Sparta days when Neg repping was allowed!!!

[battle_240sx]

your shop IS still open, hmmrmm

yes it is. its not my shop but my boys place.

[zooopreme]

Sorry but you need to either learn and grow or shut the fuck up.

Fact is you brought this upon yourself by your own statements.

You talk about people who have knowledge being ridiculous because they post the knowledge?

What is ridiculous is idiots like you posting about stuff you know nothing about and then trying to flame people who are posting good info.



I got into the fact that people start instigating when people aren't as knowledgeable/experienced. I will mention this once more: OP was asking about 3 brands. So out of the three, which would be good for a daily driver. I've driven on 2 out of the 3 and gave my opinion on them.

This was never about "your entry level crap is crap and you need to buy higher end suspension systems."

You had no argument with me to begin with. You just added on to a generalized idea that I'm one of the stupid members on this board. I was responding the OP's question straight forward. He asked about 3 and I talked about the 3. Others like you mentioned coilover systems that were great but what I am defending myself on the fact that I stuck to the topic and choices that were given.

There's a difference between mentioning better coilover systems and ignoring OP's options and just sticking it to him and saying get a better coilover system that probably costs more than your car.

Sorry, we all don't have opportunities to buy higher end suspension systems. Most of us don't even bother doing the research in the higher end because most of us can't afford that stuff. There's a reason why they offer entry level coilovers and there is a reason why a lot of people choose to use them. Because they work.

It's like DSLR's to the general public, there are entry level cameras based on crop sensors, camera features, and megapixel capabilities. Everybody buys the entry level and mid-sensor cropped cameras because it is within our budget and they work for us. Not everybody is a pro photographer and the same goes for daily drivers on coilovers. Specs wise, they are good but there's always going to be better.

[blink182house]

if you want to go stupid low, buy KTS SUPER LOW on SPL's site. done. this thread has gone on way longer than it should have.

[Corbic]

I got into the fact that people start instigating when people aren't as knowledgeable/experienced. I will mention this once more: OP was asking about 3 brands. So out of the three, which would be good for a daily driver. I've driven on 2 out of the 3 and gave my opinion on them.

This was never about "your entry level crap is crap and you need to buy higher end suspension systems."

You had no argument with me to begin with. You just added on to a generalized idea that I'm one of the stupid members on this board. I was responding the OP's question straight forward. He asked about 3 and I talked about the 3. Others like you mentioned coilover systems that were great but what I am defending myself on the fact that I stuck to the topic and choices that were given.

There's a difference between mentioning better coilover systems and ignoring OP's options and just sticking it to him and saying get a better coilover system that probably costs more than your car.

Sorry, we all don't have opportunities to buy higher end suspension systems. Most of us don't even bother doing the research in the higher end because most of us can't afford that stuff. There's a reason why they offer entry level coilovers and there is a reason why a lot of people choose to use them. Because they work.



Stop being a fucking idiot.

First, as I stated few, if anyone on this forum can make an honest comparison, as no one has owned all three. Everything is hearsay or "i rode in my buddies car".

Any car dumped to the ground with crap coil-overs will ride like shit. Any "thread-thru" design will have you tearing off your oil pain (Stance, PBM, FA).

A quality suspension system is not anymore expensive.

Stance $1,300

or

A complete Ground Control set featuring Koni' yellows is $1,700.

http://www.ground-control-store.com/images/fullsize/6065.70_fs.jpg


You can piece together the same setup for around $1,250 if you search for sales and deals.

None of the "JDM style" setups begin to match this in quality, performance, reliability, longevity and support, not to mention performance.

The downside? I don't think you can go low enough to tear off your oil pan.

Don't come on here asking "what goes lowest" as well as "what is the best/softest/dailiest".

That is like asking who sells better Pizza, Wendy's or McDonald's.

[geoff240sx]

all the people saying fortunes go low what chassis?

i love my fortunes, they ride nice an appear to be high quality but the fronts DO NOT go low on an s13s out of the box, i couldnt even tuck the tire with 18s with a 40 series side wall, i had to take two collars out then chop 1/4 inch off the lower castings to get the height i was looking for

http://i339.photobucket.com/albums/n456/geoff240sx/buildup12.jpg

http://i339.photobucket.com/albums/n456/geoff240sx/SDC14898.jpg

http://i339.photobucket.com/albums/n456/geoff240sx/SDC14911.jpg

http://i339.photobucket.com/albums/n456/geoff240sx/SDC14907.jpg

[TheRealSy90]

Umm... You know you could have just flipped the front bracket right?... And it would be lower than that...

[doomviillain]

Don't come on here asking "what goes lowest" as well as "what is the best/softest/dailiest".

That is like asking who sells better Pizza, Wendy's or McDonald's.

Then whats the point of this thread, or better yet which questions should be asked instead?
im not flaming or being smart im seriously just asking.

[geoff240sx]

Umm... You know you could have just flipped the front bracket right?... And it would be lower than that...

ok, you do realize the upper bolt holes are slotted to further adjust camber? i needed all the neg camber i could get, if flipped the bracket upside down i would no longer be able to get the camber i need to fit my wheels with out me making the new top holes slotted.

[codyace]

Then whats the point of this thread, or better yet which questions should be asked instead?
im not flaming or being smart im seriously just asking.

I guess the reason many of us get pissed at these threads, is that every single question has been asked 86x as it is now, and can all be asnwered through searching and reading. At this point it's all redudant.




ok, you do realize the upper bolt holes are slotted to further adjust camber? i needed all the neg camber i could get, if flipped the bracket upside down i would no longer be able to get the camber i need to fit my wheels with out me making the new top holes slotted.

So just slot the other holes than, 2 minute with a metal burr or dremel. And why would you need more camber than the upper perch? Seems like a ton of camber to add to a car.

[95KA-Turbo]

I opted to cut the bracket as well (on the same machine no less, haha). It involves a lot less time when you have access to one of those, and you don't get metal shavings everywhere.

[TheRealSy90]

So just slot the other holes than, 2 minute with a metal burr or dremel. And why would you need more camber than the upper perch? Seems like a ton of camber to add to a car.

Like he said I would have just slotted the other two holes but what is done is done.

Now, with the mount flipped without notching the other two holes, there will be zero camber at the front with the camber plates maxed out, just like my front wheels. I need to notch the two holes on mine.

[wh0aitznic0]

In order to properly go low on Fortune's you need to mod them. Plain and simple. If you want lowness out of the box, Stance. Want that extra half inch or inch depending on your preload, PBM.

Also, if you're using S14 front knuckles on S13 coils, use an S13 bolt for the top bracket hole so you have instant eccentric bolt adjustment for camber.

[Z28ricer]

Fortunes, out of the box, no modding, no screwing with, just bolted on, nearly tucking rim on 18's, they'd be tucking rim but the RUCA is literally sitting on the frame rail of the body.

http://www.tamparacing.com/forums/attachments/nissan-builds-projects/144194d1293312330-rb20-build-iojn.jpg

However if you've got some sort of sense, a koni, or bilstein setup can be made for the same cost as run of the mill junk, and it'll ride far better.

[Z28ricer]

Better shot

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/1558/img0314im.jpg

Oh and being that low is stupid, if it impresses your friends, they're not too bright, so I guess sweet plan for impressing high school students.

[iStayBroke]

Then whats the point of this thread, or better yet which questions should be asked instead?
im not flaming or being smart im seriously just asking.

There is no point to this thread because the daily comfort thing is subjective. Stance and PBM go low, and from the looks of it so does Fortune Auto. I wouldn't have a problem putting PBM on my DD because the 'stiffness' didn't bother me. Other people aren't to happy about feeling every detail in the road. It depends on who you ask.
I'd say get PBMs, ride on those for a while, then if you don't like the ride you can get the other springs for $60.
You considered DMax coilovers? Check some review threads or something.

[wh0aitznic0]

Better shot

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/1558/img0314im.jpg

Oh and being that low is stupid, if it impresses your friends, they're not too bright, so I guess sweet plan for impressing high school students.

Is that maxed out in the front out of the box? If so, LOL!

[Z28ricer]

Is that maxed out in the front out of the box? If so, LOL!


I dont believe so, he set it like that for the car to be level, wheels are 17x9.5+15F and 18x10.5+18R iirc, the tires were the same profile, so the rear tires are considerably larger than the fronts.

Car isnt mine, just did a lot of the work on it, mine will likely end up with the same ride height as the front of that car, with bilstein PSS9's i'm working on.

[shevinkool]

im running stance gr plus best coils for a smooth ride and to be dumped to the floor!

[codyace]

im running stance gr plus best coils for a smooth ride and to be dumped to the floor!

i spy,

a lie

[redline racer510]

you want a real setup go to google and type 240sx koni 86XX

[thenooblet]

Is that maxed out in the front out of the box? If so, LOL!

Thats what I was thinking. FA's seem to be the best except for the fronts dont go low(enough).

Is flipping the front bracket considered proper/correct? What im trying to ask is, does it effect the funtion/performance of the coilover?

[Tearlessj]

Thats what I was thinking. FA's seem to be the best except for the fronts dont go low(enough).

Is flipping the front bracket considered proper/correct? What im trying to ask is, does it effect the funtion/performance of the coilover?

No, but lowering your car that much without proper suspension modifications will decrease the handling of the car.

[codyace]

Thats what I was thinking. FA's seem to be the best except for the fronts dont go low(enough).

Is flipping the front bracket considered proper/correct? What im trying to ask is, does it effect the funtion/performance of the coilover?

The coilover still work and operate fine? Yup. It's not going to fail or anything abnormal.

Just (as above) remember the slotted holes for your front camber...you may need to extend the ex bottom, now upper one to correct it.

[Grenade180sx]

low cars suck and dont work for dick.

[doomviillain]

I guess the reason many of us get pissed at these threads, is that every single question has been asked 86x as it is now, and can all be asnwered through searching and reading. At this point it's all redudant.
I get ya. Ive gathered all the info I need to depict my choice of coils. It now boils down to how much is in my pocket and which is the most logical ones to go with.

There is no point to this thread because the daily comfort thing is subjective. Stance and PBM go low, and from the looks of it so does Fortune Auto. I wouldn't have a problem putting PBM on my DD because the 'stiffness' didn't bother me. Other people aren't to happy about feeling every detail in the road. It depends on who you ask.
I'd say get PBMs, ride on those for a while, then if you don't like the ride you can get the other springs for $60.
You considered DMax coilovers? Check some review threads or something.
I dont want coils that feel like im riding in a shopping cart. I know coilovers are gonna be stiff no matter what brand just something not too uncomfortable. And I thought DMax were best suited for drifting arnt they? If I go to the track im looking for a pair thats best for time attack, also DD. Im not into the drift thing.

[Z28ricer]

I get ya. Ive gathered all the info I need to depict my choice of coils. It now boils down to how much is in my pocket and which is the most logical ones to go with.


I dont want coils that feel like im riding in a shopping cart. I know coilovers are gonna be stiff no matter what brand just something not too uncomfortable. And I thought DMax were best suited for drifting arnt they? If I go to the track im looking for a pair thats best for time attack, also DD. Im not into the drift thing.


If you want something that doesnt ride like ass, then what you need is going to be Koni 861x, and or yellows, or bilstein.

If you want it to be comfortable, its perfectly reasonable, and possible, either go for 8610F/Yellows rear, or BilsteinF/Z32 Bilstein rear, and 7K/5K springs, you're guaranteed to like it, its guaranteed to perform, and the bilsteins are guaranteed to last.

[chiboy002]

stop bumping this thread, seriously

[Pandapants]

I think geoff and whoaitxnico had the only useful posts. OP asked which went lower, and they showed how low they went and with what work.

[c-los13]

yeah thanks to everybody
i think thats enough info for me and whoever has the same question
thanks
this thread IS goin way to far already
i decided to go w stance =)

[FaLKoN240]

Everyone in this thread mad.

All the suspension gurus are acting like the low dummies are building THEIR car for them, instead of building the cars for themselves.

At some point we've all been lower than we thought ideal, and we raised our cars back up.

If they wanna go low, let them. They'll learn their lesson.

Whether it's a ripped off bumper, a broken in half oil pan, a fixit ticket from a cop, or an accident from crappy handling.

Just leave it be.

[codyace]

Everyone in this thread mad.

All the suspension gurus are acting like the low dummies are building THEIR car for them, instead of building the cars for themselves.

At some point we've all been lower than we thought ideal, and we raised our cars back up.

If they wanna go low, let them. They'll learn their lesson.

Whether it's a ripped off bumper, a broken in half oil pan, a fixit ticket from a cop, or an accident from crappy handling.

Just leave it be.

I'm no guru, but I disagree. I knew better, and saved for the decent stuff. Regardless of owning crap (which I have) I always knew what was best. I never stuck up for nonsense parts. I knew my stuff sucked, but I didn't know how to make a proper setup work at the point in time as there weren't much of us.

Bottom line is, nobody wnats to learn about this stuff. WHen 'coilover' requirements are about 'going low' not about 'handling', we should all step back and realize it's going in the wrong direction.

[dorkidori_s13]

THREAD LOCKED! Question answered, no need to bring this back from the dead...EVER!