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Broadfield

12-12-2010, 07:16 PM

Technically this is my first build thread for my S13. I've done some mini build threads for customer's clusters, but that's about it. Let me give you a little insight to who I am and why I do the things I do. First off, I blame my father for my obsessive nature of needing to build/change things. He has built over a dozen street rods and muscle cars in his time. I learned from him to do everything for myself. I'm not sure I even learned very much technical or mechanical stuff from him. However, what I did learn is much more valuable: "If you don't know how to do something, then you're just gonna have to figure it out on your own". So with that knowledge, I usually refuse to have help with anything and struggle taking even the slightest advice.

Onto my S13. If you haven't already noticed, I have to be changing something worth noting on my S13 every year. Every winter I plan a project and make sure it's completed by the spring. If not by the spring, I make sure to have it done by the Import Alliance meet in Nashville around the middle of July. This makes for a really good deadline and assures I have a fire under my ass. Especially since it's over a 1000 mile round trip, I have to make sure everything is in perfect working order before I make the trip.

Onto the build. I have had the SR setup for over 4 years now... I think it's time for a change in a fairly big way. Originally I was going to do a used LS1, but a friend of mine that has had several LS1's in his RX7's put a little bug in my ear about doing an LS3. I researched the costs of doing so and a new LS3 crate motor isn't as bad as I thought it would be. So LS3 it is! I will touch basis on the LS3 later.

Since I will have everything out of the bay, I am going to fill and shave the bay. I had already planned to do this over the winter anyway. Along with that a Chase Bays brake line tuck and brake booster delete utilizing a Wilwood master cylinder. Chase was kind enough to give these to me free of charge and let the Zilvia community know what I thought of the product. So it will be interesting to see how this stuff works/performs. I have the product in my hands and will be posting pictures soon. I will say the product is up to my standards in every way so far. I figured I might pick up his radiator tuck also, which will give me more clearance for the intake on the front of the LS. It's usually pretty cramped up there. Or I may have my own fabricated if I need something very specific. We'll see when it comes to that time.

Last but not least the aero. Yes, I finally found a damn K's aero bumper where the seller was willing to ship it to me. I have a source for the Silvia skirts and rear valances, just getting a shipping quote for that stuff.

So to start this build off, I need to sell all of my crap!:D I'm going to try and sell the whole kit and kaboodle as a package first. Basically a 400whp S15 SR ready to drop in with all of the fixings... Power FC, Full Race GT3076, FMIC, all of the AN lines, breather box etc. etc.

So basically all of this, and I will make a pretty good package deal. Otherwise I'm gonna have to start parting it out. So if you are interested in this entire package, please PM me and we can discuss price. PLEASE DO NOT PM me for individual pricing. I will post in the for sale thread when and if I am parting it out.

#/f/sale-items/358795-fs-complete-s15-sr-6-spd-full-race-3076r-powerfc-tial-blitz-greddy-toda-earls.html

S15 SR20 engine
S15 6-speed trans
Apexi Power FC D-Jetro Tuned for 400whp and 333wtq
Blitz clutch/flywheel
Driveshaft Shop aluminum driveshaft
Greddy FMIC
Greddy oil pan
Greddy radiator
Greddy pulleys
Greddy 4” intake filter
Greddy intake manifold
70mm throttle body N15
Tomei N15 throttle body adapter
Garrett twin scroll GT3076R
Full Race twin scroll manifold
Full Race downpipe
Full Race dump tube
Tial 44mm wastegate
Tial 50mm BOV
PE 850cc injectors
PE Kevlar belts
Splitfire coil packs
Toda 264 cams
Toda valve springs
Brian Crower retainers
Tomei rocker arm stoppers
Golden Eagle vacuum box
Billet oil filter relocate
Samco radiator hoses
Hose techniques couplers and t-bolt clamps
Custom 4” intake pipe
Custom 2-1/4” hot side piping
Custom 3” cold side piping
T1 crankcase breather box
All custom Earls braided nylon lines w/Earls AN fittings: fuel, pressure, oil, coolant etc.
Gallery fresh anodized bolts
Cusco strut tower brace
Aeromotive fuel pressure regulator w/Earls inline fuel filter
Custom short throw shifter

I'll start off with the last pictures taken of how the car sits for the last time. These were pictures taken by Nate Hassler that were not used for the Modified feature.

http://images50.fotki.com/v405/photos/4/47612/3915226/DualS13Feature_02-vi.jpg

http://images57.fotki.com/v496/photos/4/47612/3915226/DualS13Feature_03-vi.jpg

http://images9.fotki.com/v55/photos/4/47612/3915226/DualS13Feature_07-vi.jpg

http://images16.fotki.com/v3/photos/4/47612/3915226/DualS13Feature_05-vi.jpg

http://images16.fotki.com/v3/photos/4/47612/3915226/DualS13Feature_06-vi.jpg

http://images41.fotki.com/v1243/photos/4/47612/3915226/DualS13Feature_09-vi.jpg

http://images107.fotki.com/v84/photos/4/47612/3915226/DualS13Feature_04-vi.jpg

http://images9.fotki.com/v1618/photos/4/47612/3915226/DualS13Feature_30-vi.jpg

http://images43.fotki.com/v504/photos/4/47612/3915226/DualS13Feature_27-vi.jpg

http://images107.fotki.com/v67/photos/4/47612/3915226/DualS13Feature_29-vi.jpg

ki_JDM_ds

12-12-2010, 07:19 PM

Good luck on the build Toby! Anything you touch seems to be top notch when it completed. Thanks for going OEM Aero. I knew an Aero bumper would come your way eventually.

PS: Great feature in Modified.

Backintoans13

12-12-2010, 07:24 PM

subscribed!! Im not to crazy that another v8 is going into another 240....getting kinda old imo but you have had an sr for 4 yrs so in this case change is good. Cant wait for the updates :cool:

Persona

12-12-2010, 07:31 PM

Subscribed, cannot wait.

95KA-Turbo

12-12-2010, 07:35 PM

I can't wait for more progress. Best of luck with the build, I'm sure it'll turn out incredible since you're so anal for that kind of stuff. I tried by best to keep all of the details straight in my build, but it gets hard when you do it for a year non-stop.

OE sides and rear was the only thing keeping me from really lusting after your car, so when you get everything done after this build I'm sure I'll be extremely tempted to try and make the drive out to Import Alliance!

sr20drifter1

12-12-2010, 07:36 PM

This guys is crazy( In a good way LOL). How do you find time to do all these things man?I sent you a p.m. Good luck with the build.

Teddy

12-12-2010, 07:55 PM

And another nice S13 bites the dust. It was cool while it lasted.

zooopreme

12-12-2010, 07:56 PM

Look forward to reading more!

sincity_sil80

12-12-2010, 08:11 PM

gl on the build man... everything else you've done is immaculate. sure this will be no different

brndck

12-12-2010, 08:16 PM

cant wait to see how this turns out! with your level of quality i'm sure it'll be nothing short of fantastic!!!

Gjohnson7

12-12-2010, 08:17 PM

Wow, really looking forward to keeping up with this build! Keep the pics coming and don't mind the haters.

Subscribed!

dudermagee

12-12-2010, 08:27 PM

Nice can't wait to see what you do.
And get some LOL's at the cry babies who care too much about what others do to their cars.

HPKMotorsports3

12-12-2010, 08:31 PM

good luck man.... she looks good now as well

Nick_04K

12-12-2010, 08:32 PM

And another nice S13 bites the dust. It was cool while it lasted.

That was a stupid post. You could have said anything else about it and it would have been completely fine...But me and the rest of the community that will be watching this build know that anything Broadfield does to his car is going to be well beyond "nice". Sorry its not "JDM" enough for you teddy.

Broadfield: I would imagine you'll be keeping A/C in this? I've heard it was rather complicated with Lsx swaps. If you do keep it..you'll be the first ive seen to actually do it.

Cannonblaster

12-12-2010, 08:35 PM

WOOT! TIME for a change! good luck im sure it wont disappoint!!!!!!

atutt

12-12-2010, 08:37 PM

.......And God said, "Let there be AWESOME!"..... Thus, He created Toby.......

ElmStormer

12-12-2010, 08:42 PM

Im excited to watch this build! Your work is amazing!

scottie

12-12-2010, 08:44 PM

Awesome plans Toby!! I will definately subscribe to this build. If you have any questions at all about the swap and other parts, let me know. I am still learning more each day but will be happy to share the things I have learned, some the hard way lol.

Flicktitty

12-12-2010, 08:46 PM

And another nice S13 bites the dust. It was cool while it lasted.
How'd i know you would say something like that. :cj:

Good luck on the build, If it is anything like the rest of your car it should be amazing.

Teddy

12-12-2010, 08:49 PM

That was a stupid post. You could have said anything else about it and it would have been completely fine...But me and the rest of the community that will be watching this build know that anything Broadfield does to his car is going to be well beyond "nice". Sorry its not "JDM" enough for you teddy

Welcome to a message board where people voice their opinions! If you can't handle it, go away!

Toby, I'm sure the build will surpass the level of awesomeness of other cars, good luck!

chiboy002

12-12-2010, 08:55 PM

And another nice S13 bites the dust. It was cool while it lasted.
where are you to hold up the signs?!
That was a stupid post. You could have said anything else about it and it would have been completely fine...But me and the rest of the community that will be watching this build know that anything Broadfield does to his car is going to be well beyond "nice". Sorry its not "JDM" enough for you teddy.

that was fucking stupid

Wabash9000

12-12-2010, 09:03 PM

I'm following this thread with much interest. In the next 2 years I want to swap a LS1/2/3 into my s14. I was thinking the LS3 because 6.2L sounds awesome and it makes the most power stock, but then I was thinking the LS1 because that will still be overkill on power and torque and it will get better gas mileage(not that that is really too much of a concern) and be quite a bit cheaper in crate engine form.

PerilousActs

12-12-2010, 09:07 PM

I'm sure this is going to turn out very clean! If you have any questions on your shaved bay or brake line tuck, I've been working on the same thing and would be more than happy to help answer any questions you have. (Except my line tuck is using all AN fittings + stainless hard lines behind firewall)

+Waldo+

12-12-2010, 09:10 PM

Down the see one of the cleanest builds in the country.

very excited to see how this goes, good luck Broadfield

venom_5

12-12-2010, 09:40 PM

dammit ... ive wanted a GT30R SR20 setup for a cpl years now, glws - build should be interesting, you gonna have it done to bring down here for Import Alliance summer 2k11?

Ares240SX

12-13-2010, 12:26 AM

Subscribing.

daftphunk

12-13-2010, 03:01 AM

I love your S13.

Viet-Tam

12-13-2010, 08:00 AM

Cant wait to see it Import Alliance in Nashville!

kyles1988

12-13-2010, 08:13 AM

I got this one for ya teddy

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg263/S13Teddy/Blog/P1010190.jpg

Fortitude

12-13-2010, 08:15 AM

Also subscribed, I've been following your work for about a month now. Impressive stuff.

alexanderig

12-13-2010, 08:17 AM

Awesome car and can't wait to see it with the v8 I don't know why people are so against the v8? Jdm fanbois I guess

CamryOnBronze

12-13-2010, 08:27 AM

I love the way it is now, but I'm sure you will make it awesome Tob. Excited to make a few trips down to Normal again next summer!

tricky_ab

12-13-2010, 08:28 AM

Also subscribed! This is going to be full on awesome!

fender-startocaster

12-13-2010, 08:37 AM

subscribed!!

REVGASM

12-13-2010, 10:12 AM

dont do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!

take sr set up to the track and kill it!

idriveattz32

12-13-2010, 10:15 AM

I have to agree, I can't wait to see the results and how you go about doing certain things. I have ideas of my own, but I'm still some time away from executing any of them.

Your work is top notch, so I am curious to see the results.

ixfxi

12-13-2010, 10:20 AM

And another nice S13 bites the dust. It was cool while it lasted.

i agree

but i guess some people have other priorities.. if they want more power, domestic parts, etc... nothing wrong with that, its their car so .. do as they wish.

the way i see it, sr was there originally (overseas), so sr should stay there. these cars need nothing else.

good luck toby, hope it turns out as planned

S-Nation S13

12-13-2010, 10:41 AM

always liked this car, glwb and looking forward to more updates

nevertheless

12-13-2010, 10:43 AM

Keep the sr! Its soo purrty.

fckillerbee

12-13-2010, 11:33 AM

And another nice S13 bites the dust. It was cool while it lasted.

hateraid.....teddy must be thirsty....a v8 would quench his thirst ;D lol:hide:

kyles1988

12-13-2010, 11:35 AM

Keep the sr! Its soo purrty.

Yeah, somethin tells me the V8 is just going to be thrown in there with cardboard engine mounts and no trick parts at all. :)

Chase Bays

12-13-2010, 11:44 AM

Stoked to see this!

s14freak93901

12-13-2010, 11:46 AM

not a fan of V8's but at the end of the day its going to be more reliable then a build SR.

Touge Noob S13

12-13-2010, 11:49 AM

not a fan of V8's but at the end of the day its going to be more reliable then a build SR.

I don't think broadfield ever complained about his SR so I don't see where your going with that.

driftsilvias13

12-13-2010, 11:57 AM

blueshark123

12-13-2010, 12:01 PM

That was a stupid post. You could have said anything else about it and it would have been completely fine...But me and the rest of the community that will be watching this build know that anything Broadfield does to his car is going to be well beyond "nice". Sorry its not "JDM" enough for you teddy.

Broadfield: I would imagine you'll be keeping A/C in this? I've heard it was rather complicated with Lsx swaps. If you do keep it..you'll be the first ive seen to actually do it.

Its actually rather easy to keep ac and lots of people have it already working in their s chassis but why do you want ac if u want a fast car in the first place lol

kyles1988

12-13-2010, 12:06 PM

Its actually rather easy to keep ac and lots of people have it already working in their s chassis

I got excited thinking maybe you had some insight into A/C on LSx's in S chassis

but why do you want ac if u want a fast car in the first place lol

But then I read this and was like wait, this guy doesn't know anything.

s14freak93901

12-13-2010, 12:11 PM

I don't think broadfield ever complained about his SR so I don't see where your going with that.

did i ever say he had problems with his SR? no!

i was stating my opinion like everyone else.

think about it. you think a built SR would be more reliable then a stock LS if it was tracked?

scottie

12-13-2010, 12:17 PM

I am in full support of the V8 swap. I am a little biased but this should be really sweet.

As for those who are traditionalist, lets get real. We live in the USA. The SR is a motor swap for us. If you want traditional, keep the KA. Otherwise everything is a swap, and in that case, anything is fair game.

Are you going to make your own mounts?

TUnity2

12-13-2010, 12:18 PM

If you do the LS build as good as the SR build it's going to be insane.

Backintoans13

12-13-2010, 12:25 PM

He just wants something different than what he has had. This has nothing to do with the rest of zilvia. Its like anything in life, once youve had something you get over it and want something new. I personally would stay SR but that is me. Broadfield always does top quality work so I know this will turn out sick!

This

That was exactly my point, im not a fan of v8's also but Broadfield mentioned that he had his SR for 4yrs already, it is time for something new. I personally would of done a vq but thats me. All the dick riding v8 fans need to calm down just because we have sr fans in here. Like Teddy said....this is a message board so WE ALL CAN VOICE OUR OPINIONS! If you dont like it go to another site then and Broadfield does awesome work so we all know this is going to turn out sick as fuck!

herbieS13

12-13-2010, 12:36 PM

Subscribed can't wait to see how this turns out!

Touge Noob S13

12-13-2010, 12:39 PM

did i ever say he had problems with his SR? no!

i was stating my opinion like everyone else.

think about it. you think a built SR would be more reliable then a stock LS if it was tracked?

Why are you bringing up the track argument? Did Toby ever intended to take his car to the track in the first place.

msanchez

12-13-2010, 12:54 PM

If I was Broadfield,
Id be pissed you kids are ruining his build thread.
Shut up.

RacerX1

12-13-2010, 01:05 PM

Cant wait to see it happen Toby, I expect nothing but the best!

eklips3

12-13-2010, 01:24 PM

I have the exact same mentality as you when it comes to builds. "do everything yourself"
i'll be looking forward to this build.

subscribed !

blueshark123

12-13-2010, 01:44 PM

I got excited thinking maybe you had some insight into A/C on LSx's in S chassis

But then I read this and was like wait, this guy doesn't know anything.

Hey jackass I have a lsx s14 I know what im talking about dumb fuck, but hey guess what its my track car not my daily to pick up your mom in. If you want to know how to run ac all u need to do is run a custom ac hose just like you would do with any swap. Then u need to get it wired in which is rather easy but opted not to run it but if u like so on silviav8forums.com and look up the threads that twistedsymphony has written on wiring it in to your car. Heres some useful links S14 Harness Identification and key pinouts - 240sxONE Forums (http://forums.240sxone.com/showthread.php?t=7091)
silviav8forums.com :: Log in (http://www.silviav8forums.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2715)

blueshark123

12-13-2010, 01:47 PM

ps i recommend going with a sikky kit. Im sure its on par with your work lol. The only thing i didnt like on sikky kit is that shifter position is tad bit to forward so i had to trim my shift boot trim but im not sure on a s13, and that they sent me a s13 driveshaft instead of a s14 but that was fixed quickly

bookoo

12-13-2010, 01:52 PM

Omg...your car is teh secks. Saw it at ia this year...so awesome.

Sent From My Super Cool Cell Phone Using A Really Cool App. Lulz.

kyles1988

12-13-2010, 01:53 PM

Hey jackass I have a lsx s14 I know what im talking about dumb fuck, but hey guess what its my track car not my daily to pick up your mom in. If you want to know how to run ac all u need to do is run a custom ac hose just like you would do with any swap. Then u need to get it wired in which is rather easy but opted not to run it but if u like so on silviav8forums.com and look up the threads that twistedsymphony has written on wiring it in to your car. Heres some useful links S14 Harness Identification and key pinouts - 240sxONE Forums (http://forums.240sxone.com/showthread.php?t=7091)
silviav8forums.com :: Log in (http://www.silviav8forums.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2715)

Haha neat. Thanks for the links. Hopefully we can learn something from them. I was just questioning your logic on saying fast cars don't have A/C. Just sounds like 16 yr old Honda fanboi logic. You didn't mention your s14 was a track car (or anything about your car?). This is Toby's thread, a thread about a street car. Street cars of this caliber have both power and comfort.

blueshark123

12-13-2010, 02:15 PM

Haha neat. Thanks for the links. Hopefully we can learn something from them. I was just questioning your logic on saying fast cars don't have A/C. Just sounds like 16 yr old Honda fanboi logic. You didn't mention your s14 was a track car (or anything about your car?). This is Toby's thread, a thread about a street car. Street cars of this caliber have both power and comfort.

I guess your right on the part of his car being a comfortable car but 90% of the ls 240s are not daily car per say lol. I drive my car on the streets but its not my main car so i opted not to lose hp and weight with ac.

Persona

12-13-2010, 02:19 PM

Hey jackass I have a lsx s14 I know what im talking about dumb fuck, but hey guess what its my track car not my daily to pick up your mom in. If you want to know how to run ac all u need to do is run a custom ac hose just like you would do with any swap. Then u need to get it wired in which is rather easy but opted not to run it but if u like so on silviav8forums.com and look up the threads that twistedsymphony has written on wiring it in to your car. Heres some useful links S14 Harness Identification and key pinouts - 240sxONE Forums (http://forums.240sxone.com/showthread.php?t=7091)
silviav8forums.com :: Log in (http://www.silviav8forums.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2715)

What is this 5th grade? In that case someone needs a chill pill. Back to the topic that is Toby's build without the adolescent insults.

Killa_D

12-13-2010, 02:22 PM

am i missing something where is the build thread lol ????????????

HouseElf

12-13-2010, 03:23 PM

im siked for this! good luck man

1CLNS14

12-13-2010, 03:24 PM

clean clean clean!!!!!

jorge1190

12-13-2010, 06:39 PM

I've been a huge fan of your car ever since I first saw. OEM Aero is going to be amazing on this car and I'm sure the work will be top notch all around.

I have to agree with Teddy and a few others, I'm not a fan of LS swaps your SR set up was great.

slideways90

12-13-2010, 07:28 PM

weigh your car before you take out the sr then weigh it after and prove everyone wrong please. looking forward to the build

S14kouki_10

12-13-2010, 07:35 PM

Ok, Toby proceed with build.

Crazyirish

12-13-2010, 07:51 PM

Whatever anyone thinks of v8s in a 240, I think its likely no one has seen a swap done to Broadfield's standards. When he's done, everyone will be damn impressed.

thenooblet

12-13-2010, 08:06 PM

I dont think anyone is realizing that he is swapping a fucking LS3!!:eek: That motor just came out and is super expensive. Im am really excited about this. It gives me inspiration to build my LS1 swapped s14 top notch.

Toby Broadfield, you are an :angel: sent from above.

turbo_dreams

12-13-2010, 08:14 PM

Stoked to see this complete, did the SR setup have a.c?

Teddy

12-13-2010, 08:20 PM

As for those who are traditionalist, lets get real. We live in the USA. The SR is a motor swap for us. If you want traditional, keep the KA. Otherwise everything is a swap, and in that case, anything is fair game.

Are you retarded? No offense, just wondering.

kyles1988

12-13-2010, 08:22 PM

Stoked to see this complete, did the SR setup have a.c?

The SR had R134 AC and PS

Slammed180

12-13-2010, 08:30 PM

Fuck sakes.
3 pages, and only ONE post from Broadfield.

Zilvia fail.

Keep your damn mouths shut until the build is complete.

Broadfield

12-13-2010, 08:39 PM

Jesus, I'm gone for one day and this thread is blowing up. I knew I couldn't leave you guys home alone.:D

I'll be answering a lot of the questions asked, I just need to finish my reply to about 20 quotes.

For what it's worth, I don't want everyone to agree with what I'm doing. I just want people to appreciate the final product and the work that went into it. So Teddy, keep on thinking how you think man... I like hearing everyone's opinions!

Keep the reply's and bickering coming... it makes for a fun thread as long as it doesn't get out of control.

stockbee

12-13-2010, 08:42 PM

Broadfield

12-13-2010, 09:01 PM

I only know one thing. If I'd have posted up that I was going to put a v8 in my car, the thread would've been closed in a heartbeat. Somehow because this car is cleaner than mine and the guy is well known, it's allowed to stay open and get three pages (and who knows how more) before it gets closed.

What should've happened. For sale thread for original posters motor, then once some parts and actual build are going on, by all means start a build thread.

Really now zilvia, let's abide by the rules that you all created in the first place.....come on now.

Yeah, I really don't get the whole build thread rules on this site. It doesn't appear that they are enforced considering the amount of partial build threads on the first page of "Chat". I really don't get what the issue is. If someone doesn't like it, then don't view the thread. It is my understanding that the rules were made to keep members from starting a build thread then running out of steam and patience 3 weeks later. I can assure you neither of those will happen with me. Besides, my build will never come to an end... I will always be changing something. If they close it, then I will simply collect all of the pictures I have from the last 3 years and post a massive build thread of the crap that everyone has already seen. Then I will post the LS3 swap as a continuation of my previous builds. Either way this will get posted. I feel it's much more informative and fun to see it as it happens and get feedback from others. Especially if someone knows more than me and they see me do something that is ill-advised... they can give me a pointer in real time.

singlecamslam

12-13-2010, 09:21 PM

Hey i was wondering if you could price out the ls3 engine and trans when you start the build, curious to see how much those run. Always a fan of your work.

And teddy, jealousy is a biatch.

Teddy

12-13-2010, 11:26 PM

And teddy, jealousy is a biatch.

EL OH muthafuckin EL.

Backintoans13

12-13-2010, 11:46 PM

People dont seem to understand that nobody is questioning whether this build is gonna be sick or not, we all no with Broadfield's expectations this car is going to be even more epic then it already is. Some ppl love v8's while others love SR's it is what it is. Tired of reading through this thread and every other quote is that us SR guys think this swap is gonna suck because its an LS3. Its different but again we all know its gonna be a sick ass build

SaNTi

12-13-2010, 11:47 PM

Broadfield

12-13-2010, 11:51 PM

Man... You should record a video of a burnout with the SR before you swap it out. One of the cleanest, meanest cars around, and my life would not feel complete if I didn't see putting some power down, and beating the shit out of some asphalt.

Too late for that. It's 3 degrees here as I type this and the roads are absolutely caked with salt, snow, ice and whatever else you can think of for the next 3-4 months. Good idea though:)

SaNTi

12-13-2010, 11:59 PM

http://poshdeluxe.com/wp-content/upload/2009/12/baby-crying.jpg

Broadfield

12-14-2010, 12:02 AM

Pics of the aero bumper that I received on Thursday. I must say, it's one of the best condition ones that I have seen go up for sale. The kicker is that it's also the cheapest that I have ever seen for sale... and in the last 3-4 years that I have been looking, I have seen about 20 or so. I also have the Silvia skirts and rear valances sourced... just waiting on a shipping quote. I want to give a shout out to kouki-gymkhana on here. He gave me the mad hook-up on this bumper. Even contacted me first, before he posted it for sale, to see if I wanted it. Thanks again!

http://broadfield.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/p1010062.jpg

http://broadfield.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/p1010068.jpg

http://broadfield.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/p1010063.jpg

http://broadfield.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/p1010065.jpg

[email protected]

12-14-2010, 12:03 AM

Hey i was wondering if you could price out the ls3 engine and trans when you start the build, curious to see how much those run. Always a fan of your work.

And teddy, jealousy is a biatch.

If your ever say that again Teddy and I will not go to your house and do nothing to you.

carry on with the v8 build, you have extreme attention to detail and its AWESOME!

rcollins

12-14-2010, 01:01 AM

whats up toby. Havent seen you since the bbq. The 300 is being traded for an s13 coupe next week. So youll be getting pms/emails/phone calls once i start digging into the car. I wish i had some cash for your full swap though would be amazing to buy the car and put that heart of gold into it. We will have to see.

CursedGTR

12-14-2010, 01:21 AM

I like what you have going on over there. I am not a big fan of the V8 Swap, but my reasons are simple, I am a closed minded JDM fan boi. Just Kidding. I actually don't know enough about V8's to judge either way on a V8 engine selection.

I am looking forward to it though, your attention to detail makes your projects no matter how small, very nice and worth a look.

NismoTuner21

12-14-2010, 01:23 AM

Phew, I was worried when I saw "aero" on the thread title, lol.

And dude, if you really wanna do something awesome, through an Audi 4.8 in this car, that would be extra dope.

kalypso123

12-14-2010, 03:48 AM

that areo bumper is nice but... you're car wants VERTEX.

^______^

CamryOnBronze

12-14-2010, 08:13 AM

Pandapants

12-14-2010, 08:14 AM

Aw, Im sad about the ls3 route, but I cant wait to see the new bumper on the car!

nathanong87

12-14-2010, 08:24 AM

this will be a radical build forsure! good luck!

OBEEWON

12-14-2010, 09:55 AM

not a fan of V8's but at the end of the day its going to be more reliable then a build SR.

LOL

did i ever say he had problems with his SR? no!

i was stating my opinion like everyone else.

think about it. you think a built SR would be more reliable then a stock LS if it was tracked?

LOL

Jesus, I'm gone for one day and this thread is blowing up. I knew I couldn't leave you guys home alone.:D

I'll be answering a lot of the questions asked, I just need to finish my reply to about 20 quotes.

For what it's worth, I don't want everyone to agree with what I'm doing. I just want people to appreciate the final product and the work that went into it. So Teddy, keep on thinking how you think man... I like hearing everyone's opinions!

Keep the reply's and bickering coming... it makes for a fun thread as long as it doesn't get out of control.

Good attitude. No matter what you do it will be very nice I am sure. I actually love LSX's so I can't really understand why I'm dissappointed you chose this route.

I only know one thing. If I'd have posted up that I was going to put a v8 in my car, the thread would've been closed in a heartbeat. Somehow because this car is cleaner than mine and the guy is well known, it's allowed to stay open and get three pages (and who knows how more) before it gets closed.

What should've happened. For sale thread for original posters motor, then once some parts and actual build are going on, by all means start a build thread.

Really now zilvia, let's abide by the rules that you all created in the first place.....come on now.

True, but we all know the world is a biased place.

Hey i was wondering if you could price out the ls3 engine and trans when you start the build, curious to see how much those run. Always a fan of your work.

And teddy, jealousy is a biatch.

LOL, Teddy has an R32 sedan. He makeh me jealousy.

this will be a radical build forsure! good luck!

Agreed.

That Aero bumper is stupid clean.
This will remind me of that red coupe from Canada with stock body and wide fenders. So sick. Please supercharge this.

PerilousActs

12-14-2010, 11:07 AM

Gonna have to jump in here and say +1 on the supercharge this idea. After witnessing Nackers z33 when he first brought it out to O'reilly once the supercharger was installed...all I can say is that I've never heard another import that even compares to it =p.

PoorMans180SX

12-14-2010, 11:23 AM

Are you retarded? No offense, just wondering.

Hhahahahhahahahaha, Teddy, I feel like we should be friends.

Fuck sakes.
3 pages, and only ONE post from Broadfield.

Zilvia fail.

Keep your damn mouths shut until the build is complete.

I agree, I don't really want to have to go through 5 billion pages to look at the build.

Are you putting this on your blog Toby?

that areo bumper is nice but... you're car wants VERTEX.

^______^

NO.

ballinnmiami240sx

12-14-2010, 12:12 PM

V8 in a 240 makes such much sense. dollard for dollard you cannot beat it.

stockbee

12-14-2010, 02:01 PM

V8 in a 240 makes such much sense. dollard for dollard you cannot beat it.

So true, that's why mine's getting LS2 here in a month, and I'll start the thread when I'm actually doing something on it.

[Quote=OBEEWON]True, but we all know the world is a biased place.[QUOTE]

So we're admitting guilt then offering watered down excuses now......wonderful.

mrflip69

12-14-2010, 05:58 PM

Why not LS7 Crate motor? Cost/performance ratio? I think the only reliability mod needed would be accusump/dry sump. You're gonna need bigger tires! :)

OBEEWON

12-14-2010, 09:15 PM

So true, that's why mine's getting LS2 here in a month, and I'll start the thread when I'm actually doing something on it.

True, but we all know the world is a biased place.

So we're admitting guilt then offering watered down excuses now......wonderful.

I was agreeing with you.

BUT

You should quit whining.

P.S. - I call B.S on your LS2 unless you start a build thread on it.

stockbee

12-15-2010, 03:29 PM

You should quit whining.

P.S. - I call B.S on your LS2 unless you start a build thread on it.

haha, true on the whining, although to me I was just making a point.

I will have a build thread when I have enough parts to start one. So far I have the car and the LS2 so now it's all the in between stuff.

Broadfield's car is definitely going to be clean. Can't wait to see it take off. Someone buy his motor already!

codyace

12-15-2010, 03:34 PM

Badass Toby! Awesome to see this becoming v8 based. I get a kick out of these guys on here saying stay SR or go this or go that...it's your car and you're obviously going about it how you want to.

*sigh*...someday my SR will explode and I can go v8 too.

Why not LS7 Crate motor? Cost/performance ratio? I think the only reliability mod needed would be accusump/dry sump. You're gonna need bigger tires! :)

LS7 crate costs are utterly rediculous from GM...granted they make power, and are reliable, but the simple fact is that a ls3 based setup can darn near make equal pwoer (don't get me wrong those cubes would be nice) but at much less cost!

OBEEWON

12-15-2010, 03:41 PM

LS7 is a demon motor. I lubz it.

Toby,
Can I call you Kunta Kinte?
make a new thread whenever you get started, this ones dirty.

Broadfield

12-15-2010, 04:10 PM

Why not LS7 Crate motor? Cost/performance ratio? I think the only reliability mod needed would be accusump/dry sump. You're gonna need bigger tires! :)

Yeah, a crate LS7 is $13000 :eek:... twice the price of the LS3. We'll see on the tires. I have 285's out back, so not bad. I think it will hook okay actually. I think the 400whp turbo setup is actually worse because of the shock on the drivetrain/tires when the turbo hits. The V8 which be very linear. We'll see.

Bushido

12-15-2010, 05:04 PM

is this car going to have a/c?

Broadfield

12-15-2010, 05:05 PM

is this car going to have a/c?

Absolutely!

Broadfield

12-15-2010, 05:24 PM

LS7 is a demon motor. I lubz it.

Toby,
Can I call you Kunta Kinte?
make a new thread whenever you get started, this ones dirty.

Many have called me that, so feel free:D

I'm not too worried about the thread. I didn't make it just to show the build... I wanted there to be discussion about it also. Which there is obviously plenty of that.

Dr.Fate

12-15-2010, 07:03 PM

Chi-town stand up! arrgggh I wish I was at home in the Chi! I would have paid your kid collage and your little girls wedding if I was at home!

SupaDoopa

12-16-2010, 11:22 AM

Who ever said they're anti-V8 are fanboys. If there is legitimate reasoning behind it, it's your car and your money and I wish you the best of luck. Everything you seem to touch is fiyuh. And for those who said the SR is going to be more reliable than the V8 is nuts. How is a turbo motor with much more aspects to it going to be more reliable than a LS that is made to take high horsepower?

Toby, do you. I saw your car's other build thread following it the whole way to the magazine feature which is sitting like a bible in my room. Can't wait to see the custom things you got going on with this thing.

Oh, give me some of the parts off that SR of yours. ;)

tricky_ab

12-16-2010, 11:32 AM

This thread is four pages long and all that's been annouced was that he's going V8! Epic thread!!!

kyles1988

12-16-2010, 11:54 AM

posted a pic of the bumper too ;)

Bushido

12-16-2010, 01:11 PM

are you going to use the s13 dcc??

can i make a suggestion?

http://www.the370z.com/members/digitonium-albums-interior-led-picture10817-hvac-controls-led-mod-completed.jpg

use z34 controls

Siberian Husky

12-16-2010, 01:24 PM

im subscribing to this and copying everything you do!

whiterps13

12-16-2010, 01:47 PM

Toby is gay and his car sucks.

I hear so much crying. Call the fucking wambulance already.

Pstl_pete

12-16-2010, 03:39 PM

OBEEWON

12-16-2010, 03:48 PM

This...would decimate all.

are you going to use the s13 dcc??

can i make a suggestion?

http://www.the370z.com/members/digitonium-albums-interior-led-picture10817-hvac-controls-led-mod-completed.jpg

use z34 controls

This

Broadfield

12-16-2010, 11:01 PM

Can't wait to watch this come together. I'm planning on the same swap using GM's E-rod LS3 setup in hopes of making it carb legal here in California.

It may be a steep entry price but when you consider the advantages I think its well worth it.

GM Performance 19244805 - GM Performance LS3 6.2L E-Rod Crate Engines - Overview - SummitRacing.com (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/NAL-19244805)

Nice Peter! Yes, I'm doing the GM crate motor, but lucky for me I don't need it to pass any emissions. So I'm doing this one along with a set of long tube headers and pretty open exhaust:

LS376/480 HP 6.2L CrateEngine with HotCam 19244549 - Crate Engine Depot (http://www.crateenginedepot.com/store/LS376480-HP-62L-CrateEngine-with-HotCam-19244549-P2218C509.aspx)

RUTH'LESSDET

12-16-2010, 11:20 PM

Nice Peter! Yes, I'm doing the GM crate motor, but lucky for me I don't need it to pass any emissions. So I'm doing this one along with a set of long tube headers and pretty open exhaust:

LS376/480 HP 6.2L CrateEngine with HotCam 19244549 - Crate Engine Depot (http://www.crateenginedepot.com/store/LS376480-HP-62L-CrateEngine-with-HotCam-19244549-P2218C509.aspx)

My old ls2 s14 had LT headers and an exhaust and passed emissions and got over 23 mpg im sure you could pass :s101::wiggle::s101:

97240TB

12-16-2010, 11:39 PM

HEY....

...Goodluck. :bigok:

Slideways74

12-17-2010, 10:07 AM

Broadfield

12-17-2010, 11:13 AM

Seeing as how your buying a crate engine, you're going to need a power steering pump and a A/C pump. I happen to have the A/C pump left over from my swap. Let me know if you want it.

Sick build, cant wait to see how it comes out.

Thanks man! I'll most likely just get the accessory kit from the same place I'm getting the motor. For around $750 you get the alternator, A/C compressor, power steering pump, power steering reservoir, all brackets, belts, pulleys, tensioners etc.

5upra

12-17-2010, 11:58 AM

man, who thought there would be so many purists:dead:

Unless you are getting some sort of deal on the crate motor, then your going to over pay for what you could have.

this was intended for my s13, but I recieved a prepped 05 mustang chassis:wiggle:
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs234.snc1/8132_139458143596_514513596_2677554_8007502_n.jpg

Spoolpigeon

12-17-2010, 06:34 PM

broadfield, knowing that you'll be at import alliance will now give me a reason to go there next year! that and to roll up some folks at the autocross lol! I'm looking forward to see how this turns out. everything you do is top notch.

yingiang

12-17-2010, 07:53 PM

those crate motors are super expensive..

Tantwoforty

12-17-2010, 09:48 PM

wtb build thread...

copermn

12-17-2010, 10:02 PM

Good luck with your build man. I'd personally keep a nissan engine in a nissan and all, but thats me. But I'd also use a different V8 engine if I were you :P I'd go with the New Ford Mustang 5.0 engine haha. I love that thing.

singlecamslam

12-17-2010, 10:04 PM

i like this...
http://www.mustangevolution.com/forum/attachments/20782d1246384878-gmp0403703_2.jpg

Broadfield

12-17-2010, 10:41 PM

Chase from Chase Bays was kind enough to send me his new brake line tuck and his Wilwood brake booster delete kit. All he wants in return is my honest opinion on the product and how well it works. Good timing since I'm about to have everything out of the bay... tearing stuff out now. I'm interested in seeing how the non hard lines perform compared to the OEM hard lines. He has assured me, and everyone else that asks, that there is absolutely no differences in pedal feel or performance. He has these kits on a slew of time attack cars... so we'll see. I'm also very interested in seeing how the manual brakes feel with the Stoptechs and rear Z32's. It's been probably 20 years since I've driven something with manual brakes.

Some pics of the goods he sent me:

http://images12.fotki.com/v216/photos/4/47612/3915226/IMG_9442-vi.jpg

http://images9.fotki.com/v1604/photos/4/47612/3915226/IMG_9446-vi.jpg

http://images9.fotki.com/v1604/photos/4/47612/3915226/IMG_9451-vi.jpg

http://images54.fotki.com/v451/photos/4/47612/3915226/IMG_9457-vi.jpg

bikrman2

12-17-2010, 10:45 PM

Chase from Chase Bays was kind enough to send me his new brake line tuck and his Wilwood brake booster delete kit. All he wants in return is my honest opinion on the product and how well it works. Good timing since I'm about to have everything out of the bay... tearing stuff out now. I'm interested in seeing how the non hard lines perform compared to the OEM hard lines. He has assured me, and everyone else that asks, that there is absolutely no differences in pedal feel or performance. He has these kits on a slew of time attack cars... so we'll see. I'm also very interested in seeing how the manual brakes feel with the Stoptechs and rear Z32's. It's been probably 20 years since I've driven something with manual brakes.

I'm very interested to hear how this kit performs. Been eyeballing it for a bit
fixed

Ceepo

12-17-2010, 10:47 PM

Gonna be an epic build, of awesome quality, i cant wait to see it finished :D

kyles1988

12-18-2010, 01:01 PM

Picture quote fail

Broadfield

12-23-2010, 12:33 PM

In case anyone has a bunch of money burning a hole in their pocket:

#/f/sale-items/358795-fs-complete-s15-sr-6-spd-full-race-3076r-powerfc-tial-blitz-greddy-toda-earls.html

PoorMans180SX

12-23-2010, 12:54 PM

Very interested to see how the manual brakes turn out as well.

shift_240

12-23-2010, 01:16 PM

wow im subscribed seen most of your custom builds never had a build thread if the ls3 is as clean as your sr then this build is going to be epic. looking forward to see it done in spring.

memphis180sx

12-23-2010, 01:50 PM

this should turn out great its gunna be interesting to see how your gunna top the first set up

timlush

12-23-2010, 02:03 PM

I had Earl's braided lines for my front brakes (master cylinder to calipers) on my old car and the pedal was noticably softer than an OE setup.

Nismo_420sx

12-23-2010, 10:40 PM

codyace

12-23-2010, 10:52 PM

Manual brakes scare me, but you're not tracking the car so I'm happy that the broadfield mobile will be safe!

codyace

12-23-2010, 10:53 PM

I remember reading this somwhere "incomplete, or in-progress build threads are not allowed."

I know haters gon hate, but I love how the forum rules don't apply to the more influential members. The only reason I bring it up is because I have seen other threads closed for this very reason.

Your car is very clean and well built, but this build thread is a fail based on the rules.

Have you always been a tattle tale? TOby is one of the communities few ( read: less than 30 of us) contributing members that isn't caught up on what shitty coilvover to run, or to what crappy ass setup is best)

Instead of being a bozo newb, sit back, relax, and enjoy the build. If anything, the 'good ole boys club' supports him. That's good enough. You are not going to get any trophies, accolades, or friends being a tattle tale. One would think you'd be able to differentiate between a 'build' and a jerkoff installing 500 dollar used coils on his salvage title s13.

Broadfield

12-23-2010, 10:54 PM

I remember reading this somwhere "incomplete, or in-progress build threads are not allowed."

I know haters gon hate, but I love how the forum rules don't apply to the more influential members. The only reason I bring it up is because I have seen other threads closed for this very reason.

Your car is very clean and well built, but this build thread is a fail based on the rules.

As I have already stated, it can be closed if they want to close it. I am more than prepared to post a build thread of the ages of the last four years of my work on this car... which may I note that everyone is already familiar with. I would then simply continue at the end of it with this build that I'm currently doing. My car is never finished, so it's not like I'm going to complete a "build" then post up the finished results... it's ongoing. I'm not some 16 year old that runs out money 3 weeks into his build thread. I saw the rules, but assumed they were no longer enforced considering all of the partial build threads in the first page of "Chat".

Edit: Thanks for getting my back Cody!

Flicktitty

12-23-2010, 10:56 PM

Broadfield

12-23-2010, 11:01 PM

im sure its differant too for a paying vendor. :l101:

Toby beat me too it. LOL

Looking forward to seeing how the CB stuff works for ya.

Where are you getting your LS3 from?

It looks like this is the place:

LS376/480 HP 6.2L CrateEngine with HotCam 19244549 - Crate Engine Depot (http://www.crateenginedepot.com/store/LS376480-HP-62L-CrateEngine-with-HotCam-19244549-P2218C509.aspx)

I have looked at some other places, but this seems to be the cheapest and offer more of everything else... accessory kits etc. I have not had much luck finding a used one. Most of them are totals and want a hefty dollar for the front clip or whole car.

codyace

12-23-2010, 11:08 PM

Edit: Thanks for getting my back Cody!

Anytime. It's the few 'builds' like yours that keep the decent guys around anymore. Shame these nitwitted new guys are more concerned with being 'cool guys' than doing anything decent for the community. Thankfully they can read the rules, but they need to be able to sperate the 'wheat from the chaff'

im sure its differant too for a paying vendor. :l101:

Nah. The beauty of this build is that it's not some dumbass running it/doing it.

It looks like this is the place:

LS376/480 HP 6.2L CrateEngine with HotCam 19244549 - Crate Engine Depot (http://www.crateenginedepot.com/store/LS376480-HP-62L-CrateEngine-with-HotCam-19244549-P2218C509.aspx)

I have looked at some other places, but this seems to be the cheapest and offer more of everything else... accessory kits etc. I have not had much luck finding a used one. Most of them are totals and want a hefty dollar for the front clip or whole car.

I'm still surprised you want the crate engine route, especiallly considering how cheap you can build a junkyard 6.0 to your specs. In the same respect I can appreciate the 'crate warranty' but I'd sooner get a junkyard 6.0, throw a cam/valvetrain/heads on it, and go from there. I'm sure the 6500 cost could easily be 'beat' but (again as before) I can appreciate the 'done now/install tomorrow' aspect.

Nismo_420sx

12-23-2010, 11:14 PM

Have you always been a tattle tale? TOby is one of the communities few ( read: less than 30 of us) contributing members that isn't caught up on what shitty coilvover to run, or to what crappy ass setup is best)

Instead of being a bozo newb, sit back, relax, and enjoy the build. If anything, the 'good ole boys club' supports him. That's good enough. You are not going to get any trophies, accolades, or friends being a tattle tale. One would think you'd be able to differentiate between a 'build' and a jerkoff installing 500 dollar used coils on his salvage title s13.

I knew the nut swinges would be all over me for posting. I also knew that broadfield had a crew of ethugs to back him up.

I don't post my build because it is in progress. I have seen other beginning build threads closed.

codyace

12-24-2010, 12:31 AM

I knew the nut swinges would be all over me for posting. I also knew that broadfield had a crew of ethugs to back him up.

I don't post my build because it is in progress. I have seen other beginning build threads closed.

Oh wow, another new ZIlvia cool guy. Trust me, toby's nuts are big enough to have 4 of us hang from them.

GO back to your hole bozo, we'll survive just fine without your 2 dollar piece of shit drift car.

Oh well. Stick around, you'll realize why the few of us who give half a shit like this build, and what he does.

Edit: Crew to back him up? I'm sure he could survive on his own. He doesn't need anyone to 'stick up' for him, his work does a fine job of that.

kalypso123

12-24-2010, 12:59 AM

Toby is the man*

*Established.

lightsource

12-24-2010, 01:57 AM

subbed :thumbsup:

travisty_

12-24-2010, 03:27 AM

And besides, I'm sure most of us agree with Toby when it comes to having ongoing build threads. I know I personally like seeing a build unfold as it goes, and the advice/discussion that comes along with it. I learned quite a lot from Damon's and others build threads because of that.

This will be a thread to keep an eye on. Anybody attempting to buy the SR yet?

thenooblet

12-24-2010, 08:53 AM

Who is going to do your wiring? Or are you going to do it yourself?

CamryOnBronze

12-27-2010, 10:03 PM

I also knew that broadfield had a crew of ethugs to back him up.

Mostly just these guys:

http://metallicablogmagnetic.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/dave-mustaine-james-hetfield.jpg

bllabong89

12-28-2010, 07:40 AM

lol. Is that a chic or a dude on the right?? Yea man...Rock on!!!

holemilk00

12-28-2010, 08:17 AM

I have a question. How are you planning to run the CB midmount radiator set up and keep the AC condenser in place?

PS. Don't let people scare you about putting AC on a LSx swapped 240, it happens all the time. trust me ;)

smelly240

12-28-2010, 08:46 AM

I love when a putz with 30 posts forgets to wear his boots when he goes out in the mud :)

always liked Broadfield's car, and he does neato little howto type things when he does dash stuff...

Its not my cup of tea - but i like it :) My cup of tea usually ends up spilling on my leg because i use the ashtray hole for a cupholder. In a stiff low car....

Z_Spool

12-28-2010, 01:32 PM

Its not my cup of tea - but i like it :) My cup of tea usually ends up spilling on my leg because i use the ashtray hole for a cupholder. In a stiff low car....

That's why you don't bring drinks/foods/cigs/whatever in the car with you. It's disrespectful. ;)

Looking forward to the progress Toby. Said it before, and I'll say it again, I love your car. Hope my car will be up to making a trek to see it in person... Having another BBQ this year I presume?

OBEEWON

12-28-2010, 02:15 PM

Jenga!

If testicular fortitude could be measured in soundwaves, first place would go to a blown V8. The sound makes cows lactate.

kyles1988

12-28-2010, 04:55 PM

Lol. Best post I've seen in a while

holemilk00

12-28-2010, 04:58 PM

Kyle every post of yours is the best one I've seen in a while.

PerilousActs

12-29-2010, 01:02 PM

That is definitely almost a sig worthy quote.

Crazyirish

12-29-2010, 01:25 PM

lol. Is that a chic or a dude on the right?? Yea man...Rock on!!!

Look closer. They are both quite well known performers.

Imarvin240

12-29-2010, 03:22 PM

man i loved this car in modified...plus all the sick work you do in general. I'll definitly need to send you some stuff to do on my car hah good luck witht he car man!

ZX88

12-29-2010, 03:32 PM

yes, aero and v8 finally! well maybe not v8 but should still be sick.

Broadfield

12-29-2010, 10:06 PM

Who is going to do your wiring? Or are you going to do it yourself?

I will be doing it myself of course.

Mostly just these guys:

Awesome! That's the smartest thing you have said all year!

I have a question. How are you planning to run the CB midmount radiator set up and keep the AC condenser in place?

PS. Don't let people scare you about putting AC on a LSx swapped 240, it happens all the time. trust me ;)

I have no idea if I'm doing that radiator... I was just throwing the idea out there.

That's why you don't bring drinks/foods/cigs/whatever in the car with you. It's disrespectful. ;)

Looking forward to the progress Toby. Said it before, and I'll say it again, I love your car. Hope my car will be up to making a trek to see it in person... Having another BBQ this year I presume?

Yes, I will most likely have a BBQ next summer. The turnouts are always bad though. Guys from Chicago are always worried their cars won't make it that far... a whole 2 hours:confused:

Jenga!

If testicular fortitude could be measured in soundwaves, first place would go to a blown V8. The sound makes cows lactate.

While a blown LS3 is out of the question for now, there always has to be major mods for me to do every winter:)

GSXRJJordan

12-29-2010, 10:43 PM

...
Unless you are getting some sort of deal on the crate motor, then your going to over pay for what you could have.
...

I'm still surprised you want the crate engine route, especiallly considering how cheap you can build a junkyard 6.0 to your specs. In the same respect I can appreciate the 'crate warranty' but I'd sooner get a junkyard 6.0, throw a cam/valvetrain/heads on it, and go from there. I'm sure the 6500 cost could easily be 'beat' but (again as before) I can appreciate the 'done now/install tomorrow' aspect.

I'm with these gents. I've helped many customers make their V8 dreams come true, from the budget guy to the brand new, forged 402ci LS2 guy who then decides to throw 10psi from a Vortec T-trim at it. While I disagree with Cody on the 6.0 being the ideal N/A motor choice (weighs 80lbs more than alum block LS1/2/3/etc), I have had this discussion approx 1x10^10 times.

Crate motors are a lose/lose to me, and anyone else who does this for a living - you're paying "built motor" prices but getting an OEM engine. Zero miles with forged internals and balanced/blueprinted by hand, and built specifically for your needs, or zero miles with cast internals, not balanced, not blueprinted, never been looked at by an engine builder? Then you STILL have to buy accessories separately?!?

Unless you're going LS7 or LS9 (which are hand built, and still a total rip off except for the namesake), I'd say crate motors are for suckers. If you need some pointers on what stuff costs and where to go, I'd be more than happy to give you some food for thought via email/PM.

Who is going to do your wiring? Or are you going to do it yourself?

That's a good question (I did nooblet's), I assume you're doing it all yourself? Were you going to buy a new aftermarket harness, make one, or buy an OEM harness to modify?

holemilk00

12-30-2010, 06:49 AM

While I disagree with Cody on the 6.0 being the ideal N/A motor choice (weighs 80lbs more than alum block LS1/2/3/etc), I have had this discussion approx 1x10^10 times.

LS2 is a 6.0 and aluminum, and I believe that is what Codyace was referring to.

conrad_s13.5

12-30-2010, 07:20 AM

more progress!......less clutter!....lol

codyace

12-30-2010, 08:09 AM

LS2 is a 6.0 and aluminum, and I believe that is what Codyace was referring to.

Heheh yup, I need to make sure I say 'non truck' hehe.

BUt Jeff makes a great point, the LS3 (a motor I often neglect to consider as you don't see them as often at yards around here) is really the badass base setup.

PoorMans180SX

12-30-2010, 08:14 AM

Yes, I will most likely have a BBQ next summer. The turnouts are always bad though. Guys from Chicago are always worried their cars won't make it that far... a whole 2 hours:confused:

I would have made it out if I hadn't crashed my car. :mad:

Backintoans13

12-30-2010, 10:52 AM

tukn9s

12-30-2010, 03:02 PM

At least your brake kit was complete, mine was missing shit left and right, and they still have yet to send me the right stuff.

irritatedmax

12-30-2010, 03:58 PM

Subscribed.

GSXRJJordan

12-30-2010, 06:14 PM

LS2 is a 6.0 and aluminum, and I believe that is what Codyace was referring to.

Whenever people say 6.0 instead of LS2, I always think they're talking about the much more affordable LQ4 or LQ9.

Heheh yup, I need to make sure I say 'non truck' hehe.

BUt Jeff makes a great point, the LS3 (a motor I often neglect to consider as you don't see them as often at yards around here) is really the badass base setup.

LS3's are great starting points ~ you can get the blocks for $1500 brand new.

miro

12-31-2010, 10:03 AM

I realize you're just beginning on this and probably don't have the details nailed down yet. But have you given any thought to the engine harness and PCM you will be using? GM or stand-alone? If GM, are you going to keep the drive-by-wire system and install the drive-by-wire throttle pedal?

Let us know about your experience with Crate Engine Depot once you purchase the motor.

bloodangels13

12-31-2010, 11:22 AM

Broadfield I assume your going with a GM performance parts engine managment and wiring kit? My old man and I used that for our LS2 swaped '69 firebird. I would suggest going that route considering the ease of install, all connectors labeled, no fuss with VATs (oem anti-theft) and the fact it has its own fuse box.

MyNISMO314

12-31-2010, 11:40 AM

GSXRJJordan

12-31-2010, 11:53 AM

why not just buy a camaro or whatever car comes with the LS3 and leave that beautiful 240 with that beautiful motor just the way it is...chevys are still being made and so are the LS motors 240s are not nor are SR20 motors, i think you should keep that car the way it is or just get a diff shell for the ls3

LS3's come in 2010+ Camaros and 2008+ Corvette's ~ I've driven stock and race Camaro/Corvette/S13 and neither drives anything like a S-chassis.

... and then there's the $30k you'll need, instead of $10k for a swap into an already-nice car.

Broadfield

12-31-2010, 04:56 PM

From the posts that ive read from Broadfield it dont seem like he races his cars so theres not need to worry bout having forged internals. Plus he dont have to worry bout taking it to the maching shop and waiting for ever depending on the machinist for his shit to be done, he gets the crate motor and drops it in....done deal :cool:

Correct, I don't want a lot of down time. That's why I'm leaning towards the crate motor. I don't "need" forged anything and the 500whp I can get from the LS3 with nothing much more than a cam, headers and a tune will be sufficient to me. I haven't really had a chance to research building one from a bare block like GSXRJJordan recommended, but I would imagine it would actually be more considering I would want to go a little more "all out" if I'm going to take the time to build it... $2500 heads and all of the other stuff adds up real quick. But I'm starting to research it now to make sure I don't regret it later.

Keep in mind, I have no idea what I'm doing. Just like my SR and the rest of my S13, I learn as I go. My profession is high-end car audio. I also do some custom interior pieces for cars beyond audio... like my clusters etc. But otherwise I just build cars because it's my passion and my hobby. I'm no expert at building cars.

I realize you're just beginning on this and probably don't have the details nailed down yet. But have you given any thought to the engine harness and PCM you will be using? GM or stand-alone? If GM, are you going to keep the drive-by-wire system and install the drive-by-wire throttle pedal?

Let us know about your experience with Crate Engine Depot once you purchase the motor.

Yes, I plan to use to the GM engine controller and probably EFI Live. We have arguably the baddest EFI tuner in the country less than 2 hours north of me. Which then of course I will use the DBW throttle/pedal. If I end up going with the crate motor from Crate Engine Depot, you can bet your ass I'll post about the experience.

Broadfield I assume your going with a GM performance parts engine managment and wiring kit? My old man and I used that for our LS2 swaped '69 firebird. I would suggest going that route considering the ease of install, all connectors labeled, no fuss with VATs (oem anti-theft) and the fact it has its own fuse box.

Possibly yes, or just do my own from a OEM harness.

why not just buy a camaro or whatever car comes with the LS3 and leave that beautiful 240 with that beautiful motor just the way it is...chevys are still being made and so are the LS motors 240s are not nor are SR20 motors, i think you should keep that car the way it is or just get a diff shell for the ls3

What could possibly be the fun in that!?!

CrimsonRockett

12-31-2010, 05:03 PM

Funny because my girlfriend recently brought up something similar. "Instead of spending a ridiculous amount building up your 240, why not buy a brand new 370z instead?"

Here's why:

What could possibly be the fun in that!?!

While the 370z may be a much (MUCH) better platform, I like my 240.

Good luck with the LS swap man.

If I wasn't sticking to my KA, I would've hopped on your S15 SR swap in a heart beat.

Broadfield

12-31-2010, 11:58 PM

If I wasn't sticking to my KA, I would've hopped on your S15 SR swap in a heart beat.

Damn you, what if I sell it to you for $10k? :naughtyd:

Z28ricer

01-01-2011, 12:08 AM

Broadfield

01-01-2011, 08:30 PM

My suggestion, skip the crate motor and get a used pullout, the mileage on them is going to be plenty low, piecing all that stuff together for the crate motor is extra headache.

As far as the harness goes, there are universal harnesses on ebay, that make a great choice for one to modify, as the oem harnesses often come off the engine and an un-desireable corner, or just plain dont have enough length from the engine to the pcm connectors, the universal ones on ebay come off the rh rear of the engine, and have enough length to route stock style along the firewall and through into the dash, leaving only minimal changes needed to make a "as close to oem as possible" s-chassis LSx swap harness.

Too bad used pull-outs are not common at all. LS1 sure, but not LS3's. Or they are selling the entire front clip of a C6... which I don't have the funds, space or time to dick with parting it all out.

As for the harness, I'll just make it whatever length I need... it's not that big of a deal. I have dealt with automotive wiring for a living for the last 18 years, so it's a walk in the park.;) I'll still look at this so called harness on Ebay though... just to see what it is you are talking about.

irritatedmax

01-02-2011, 03:55 AM

With all this talk of buying a used engine, all I keep thinking about is how superbly clean your SR was. Therefore, it would stand to reason with your OCD nature, your new engine setup will also be done in the same it's-so-clean-you-can-eat-off-it way. Buy a crate engine and be ten steps ahead; they don't come cleaner than brand new.

yabeet

01-03-2011, 09:06 PM

Congrats on the speedhunters article Toby!

CAR SPOTLIGHT>> BROADFIELD S13 - Speedhunters (http://speedhunters.com/archive/2011/01/03/car-spotlight-gt-gt-broadfield-s13.aspx)

Well deserved, Im sure you will feature again w the new setup when done.

sfourteen zenki

01-12-2011, 10:54 AM

Read through all pages and fell in love with this build! I'm still new to everyone on Zilvia so I look forward to finding Broadfield's past work based on what everyone has to say about it!

Keep it up man!

TMY_DUB

01-13-2011, 09:35 AM

Awesome thread! I'm getting ready for an engine project in the next few months and I'm debating if I should take the SR or LS route myself.
Subscribed!

dreamin240sx

01-14-2011, 12:09 PM

come on man a v8 do you kiss your mother with that mouth.

Broadfield

01-16-2011, 05:24 PM

A little be of an update:

Ordered some cosmetic stuff for the swap this weekend. I place as much importance on the visuals of the bay as the performance... I like to have a nice balance of each. Lets face it, even though an LS swap is a V8 under the hood, it looks like crap. The coil packs mount right on top of the valve covers, along with all of the associated wiring. So GM came up with a solution by slapping on a cheap looking plastic cover... not quite my style either. So I have decided to go with a setup like below: Katech aluminum raised, slotted valve covers with their inlay... which kind of breaks up the plain look of the cover. These will also give me plenty of room when I upgrade the valvetrain down the road... larger springs, rocker arms etc. In addition I ordered the Katech coil pack relocate setup, which moves the coil packs up top, right next to the fuel rail. I then want to paint the covers and manifold like in the picture. Not yellow of course, but something. I haven't really come up with a color solution yet, but I'm sure it will come to me eventually. I think having the covers and manifold all painted give it a nice modern look. I'm sure some will disagree, but as usual, I don't care.

http://modernvette.tenmagazines.com/articleImages/37230.jpg

If you are not familiar with what an LS looks like without the plastic covers on, here is an image to give you an idea of the mess:

http://www.cbfunforyou.com/Assets/engine_pic/ls3.gif

NismoDriverS13

01-16-2011, 05:27 PM

Broadfield

01-16-2011, 05:32 PM

i still understand why would u put ls engine into a 240. but whatever tickles ur pickle....

they are heavy and just not right for the s-chassis. but its only my opinion. have fun with build, want to see how it turns out.

If you think an LS is heavier than an SR with a Full Race manifold, turbo, BOV, external wastegate, intercooler, all of the piping etc., then you are sadly mistaken.

wannabdr1ftr

01-16-2011, 05:37 PM

I hate when people say that the ls motors weigh so much...cant to see this build done. As you and everyone knows you do amazing work

ThatGuy

01-16-2011, 05:40 PM

http://modernvette.tenmagazines.com/articleImages/37230.jpg

So, where did the oil cap go?

It seems to be on the covers on their website, so hopefully that picture is just wrong. It'd be a real pain in the ass to have to remove a valve cover every time you do an oil change. :keke:

Looks clean though. I wouldn't expect any less out of you.

EDIT: Nevermind. Just had to read further on the site. There is no oil fill hole for Dry Sump set-ups. Sorry for my confusion. :bow:

tcg5014

01-16-2011, 05:58 PM

Awesome, I picked up my LS with shaved valve covers and was looking for some type of idea of how not to go back to stock. Have never seen this company but will take a look. Can't wait to see your car finished.

LS block in full dress weighs about 430-450lbs, hardly heavy.

REVGASM

01-16-2011, 06:08 PM

i still understand why would u put ls engine into a 240. but whatever tickles ur pickle....

they are heavy and just not right for the s-chassis. but its only my opinion. have fun with build, want to see how it turns out.

aluminum block home boy..they're within the same weight SR20det.

RUTH'LESSDET

01-16-2011, 07:03 PM

i still understand why would u put ls engine into a 240. but whatever tickles ur pickle....

they are heavy and just not right for the s-chassis. but its only my opinion. have fun with build, want to see how it turns out.
:duh: Do some research man or just drive a lsx swapped car I bet you will change your mind, dont knock it til you try it.

Gjohnson7

01-16-2011, 08:58 PM

aluminum block home boy..they're within the same weight SR20det.

Truth!!!

Believe me. The powerband of a LS is insane too! Love the torque.

Ruth'lessdet, in know you've got to be missing your LS powered Kouki! One of the cleanest builds I've seen.

gearhead55

01-16-2011, 09:26 PM

i kinda regret going rb25 instead of LS. broadfield your car is going to continue being a beast...

T-FAST

01-17-2011, 01:23 AM

Do a Katech street attack 240!!!! That would be cool

irritatedmax

01-17-2011, 02:46 AM

No paint...polished! It looked clean on your old setup and your wheels are polished; it is all very matchy matchy (with the assumption there is an aftermarket intake that is not plastic).

GSXRJJordan

01-17-2011, 03:49 AM

I have powdercoated (and stickered) panels on my LS to solve the "looks"/coilpack issue, but I also did a Mil-spec tucked/loomed engine harness so there wasn't that whole mess of wiring on top of the coilpacks/injectors. We'll see how much I like them once the engine bay's all painted/tucked and the new aftermarket fuel rails are on.

The Katech dress-up stuff is seriously pricey... the argument that you'd get from me isn't that it's not sexy, it's that the money could be spent elsewhere/etc.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs950.snc4/74322_152583421451716_100001001771150_257526_71605 38_n.jpg

ZenkiCam

01-17-2011, 04:18 AM

thefro526

01-17-2011, 06:59 AM

Truth!!!

Believe me. The powerband of a LS is insane too! Love the torque.

Ruth'lessdet, in know you've got to be missing your LS powered Kouki! One of the cleanest builds I've seen.

I was an LS Hater.

The Dyno Graph of the LS3 made me a believer.

http://www.gmperformanceparts.com/_res/i/overview/dynocharts/dc_19201992.jpg

300ft-lbs of Torque or more from 900rpm to Rev-Limiter is something that most motors cannot best.

Broadfield

01-17-2011, 07:43 AM

No paint...polished! It looked clean on your old setup and your wheels are polished; it is all very matchy matchy (with the assumption there is an aftermarket intake that is not plastic).

You mean something like this? Hell, I wouldn't even spend that much on a manifold:

Wilson Manifolds - Billet Bank Chevrolet LS Series Manifolds (http://www.wilsonmanifolds.com/products/manifolds-/billet-sheetmetal-manifolds/billet-bank-chevrolet-ls-series-manifolds.html)

I want to do something different than the polished this time around. I had the polished theme going for 4 years... it's time for something new. And to be honest with you, I was actually going to paint all of my polished stuff on the SR this winter if I had kept it.

I have powdercoated (and stickered) panels on my LS to solve the "looks"/coilpack issue, but I also did a Mil-spec tucked/loomed engine harness so there wasn't that whole mess of wiring on top of the coilpacks/injectors. We'll see how much I like them once the engine bay's all painted/tucked and the new aftermarket fuel rails are on.

The Katech dress-up stuff is seriously pricey... the argument that you'd get from me isn't that it's not sexy, it's that the money could be spent elsewhere/etc.

I figured I would get the price comment from someone, but I don't necessarily have a concrete budget I'm working with. I guess what I'm saying is that I won't be sacrificing getting other parts because of the Katech stuff. I'm pretty loose with my wallet. I don't have an endless amount of funds by no means, but I can always make more:)

i like the way Ls's look with the coilpacks and all. looks mean looking in my opinion but to each his own.

heres my engine bay. definitely not as clean as yours is gonna be but its pretty clean..

Can't wait to see the progress of this build!!!

Yeah, I guess they just look like a big black blob in there... I want a little "pop".

blueshark123

01-17-2011, 08:55 AM

you could just always relocate the coil packs if you wanna go for a cleaner look. Theres a person on here who was doing that to his ls.

Any pics of coil relocation? - LS1TECH (http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iii-external-engine/1259853-any-pics-coil-relocation.html)

Imarvin240

01-17-2011, 09:17 AM

i cant wait to see this beast finished, good luck on the build man!

TMY_DUB

01-17-2011, 09:29 AM

i like the way Ls's look with the coilpacks and all. looks mean looking in my opinion but to each his own.

heres my engine bay. definitely not as clean as yours is gonna be but its pretty clean..

Can't wait to see the progress of this build!!!

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5204/5325468206_0b176edea9_b.jpg

I like you engine bay.
I need to tuck my fuse box away somewhere and move all the break lines along the firewall.
I really want to tub my engine bay!!

The build is looking sick! Im pretty sold on going with an LS in my car.
Ive read a few build about an LS in and S-chassis, and whoever built them said the handling felt awesome

PoorMans180SX

01-17-2011, 10:40 AM

Okay okay okay.

I'm really sorry, I don't mean to threadjack, and I don't want to start a thread war, I just want to solve this gigantic internet myth once and for all.

A guy named Fred Allen Burge (who was on here, and started engineswaptech.com) weighed some engines a while back. I'll just quote him:

I'm going to compile a list of engine and transmission weights. All weights are on a new, professionally calibrated, industrial scale and will be photographed for accuracy. The engine pallets weigh 53lbs, I still need to weigh a tranny pallet. I intend to weigh all motors without accessories or wiring but with all manifolds and fuel rail(s). All motors have been drained of oil and coolant but aren't necessarily "bone" dry.

KA24DE - 330lbs

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c25/Turbo711/personal/100_0795.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c25/Turbo711/personal/100_0796.jpg

02 Corvette engine (alum. block) - 456lbs w/o pallet weight (note: this one is on a lighter pallet then the others, this pallet weighed 28lbs)

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c25/Turbo711/personal/100_2300.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c25/Turbo711/personal/100_2301.jpg

Now we all know that the SR weighs within 10lbs of the KA (with the T25 on the SR) . So add accessories to both engines, and you're still looking at a difference of at least 100lbs btween the KA/SR and the Chevy LS-series. And there is no way a larger turbo/manifold/intercooler weigh 100lbs.

Please stop saying they weigh the same.

Broadfield

01-17-2011, 11:08 AM

Now we all know that the SR weighs within 10lbs of the KA (with the T25 on the SR) . So add accessories to both engines, and you're still looking at a difference of at least 100lbs btween the KA/SR and the Chevy LS-series. And there is no way a larger turbo/manifold/intercooler weigh 100lbs.

Please stop saying they weigh the same.

Well, you can bet your ass I'll be weighing everything before I ship it off. My Full Race manifold and GT30 probably weigh close to 50lbs or so. Then you have the FMIC, all of the piping, couplers, T-bolt clamps, down-pipe, BOV, external wastegate, dump tube, breather box, all of the associated AN lines/fittings etc. I bet it's a lot closer than you think. However, we need to take into consideration the weight of the headers that I will be adding.

We were just debunking the comment of the LS being heavy compared to the SR and thereby making a case of why you shouldn't run it. The fact is, it will be really close in weight when it's all said and done... hardly enough to keep me from running one.

Good info though man!

PoorMans180SX

01-17-2011, 11:15 AM

Don't forgot you're taking a cast manifold and T-25 off and replacing it with the full-race and GT30.

But yes, I do see your point as well. It'll be interesting.

bprzybyl

01-17-2011, 11:32 AM

Broadfield, I've always enjoyed the quality of your work and attention to detail, but especially the cleanliness of what you do. Can't wait to see this thing completed. Figured I'd share something from silviav8forums.com (http://SilviaV8Forums.com) as it pertains pretty well to what you guys are talking about:

silviav8forums.com :: View topic - The question of the month "What does it weigh" (http://www.silviav8forums.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3120)

We have all asked what does it weight and have researched LS1 weights KA weights and SR weights but the reality of what it actually weighs is far from a stat posted on the internet. You need to consider the whole package to get an accurate weight. I had estimated that the LS swap would increase the weight of my car by about 98lbs and was looking to see a number of around 2760lbs but when we threw the car on the scales my first response was to reset the scales. Once we recalibrated the scales we notice the numbers did not change 2645lbs. How could this be?? Nothing has changed on the car at all with the exception of the LS swap and we all know they are a good deal heavier than an SR20det right? Wrong!! My car is a 1995 Zenki Silvia that had a 541whp Sr20det The engine had stock intake manifold and a full race top mount with custom GT turbo 44mm waste gate F.M.I.C. and all aluminum piping. The build was made with very light weight components I actually used thin wall stainless for the down pipe and dump tube because I felt the full Race down pipe was way to heavy but most people do not consider all of the things that you add to a SR to get a bit of HP out of it. Full race top mount manifold 29lbs, FMIC and piping 27.5 lbs thats 60lbs and we have not even got to all of the small things like waste gate, boost controller all lines and hoses, oil catch can etc. The car is 100% complete interior with all digital climate control in place ( Its AZ you have to keep the A/C ) and no interior or exterior pieces missing. So how is it 16lbs lighter than it was with the SR20det? Simple we keep weight in mind when building every component used in our kit and there are fewer items needed to have a fully functioning LS swap. So when you have that ignorant person asking why you would put that heavy ass engine in your car you can let them know it is for weight reduction.

The information above is impressive but what is really impressive is how much weight shifted to the rear of the car I had 793LBS on the front left and 798 on the front right after corner balancing with the SR. Now with the LS my front left is 762 and my front right is 784 with the rear left at 541 and rear right at 558. (I will pay more attention to cross weight in the future this was just a quick setup with a new set of coilovers. The springs need to settle before I spend anymore time on cornerbalance.) You can see that over 50lbs was shifted to the rear of the car.

The same scales were used for the SR weights as well as LS weights and nothing was changed on the car but the LS swap.

I have never weighed my car, just sharing what's been posted over on SilviaV8. I'm not sure if you have to be a member or not to see the other posts, I know some of the forums require an account.

P.S.- post a build thread over there, quality ones are always a great read, and everyone there has gone through the same problems getting theirs running.

holemilk00

01-17-2011, 12:14 PM

If you changed the intake manifold on an LS I would either do the fast90 or the newer fast120's. If you went with something else, I would suggest that you go with something that has full customization options like the Marcella Manifolds. You get to control every design aspect of it, runner length and more.

Marcella Manifolds Home Page (http://www.marcellamanifolds.net/)

20 til 3

01-17-2011, 01:03 PM

sr20det weights 328 with accessories

GSXRJJordan

01-19-2011, 03:22 AM

Although this issue has been beaten to death, I would like to point out that the 02 Vette LS1 was weighed with the heavy ass cast iron manifolds. Removing those and going to a long-tube header saves 20+lbs.

I think "Fueled's" writeup from silviav8 is more pertinent to the discussion than Fred's but it's all good info. I think the days of people actually thinking SR's are better than LS's in any regard are over.

tricky_ab

01-19-2011, 07:34 AM

I love how people are poppin' off in this thread...

mysharonna

01-19-2011, 09:37 AM

http://www.geistware.com/rcmodeling/images/pop_off_tester.jpg

BTW, Can't wait to see this done!

whiterps13

01-19-2011, 09:46 AM

This is getting good.

Is it spring yet?

nicho919

01-19-2011, 01:12 PM

bllabong89

01-19-2011, 01:22 PM

Sorry bro but its already in a mag. lol. Although that is your opinion...I would have to respectfully disagree. Not everyone is building a car to make it a track car. I am building my car and yea I am going to race it but that doesn't mean I don't want it to look good. I think he should get respect from any enthusiast just because the cars he builds are obviously built well and built to be used.

You do have balls for posting that on the hardest forum around. lol. most of the people reading it are going to want to cut your sac off.lol

Pure_JDM

01-19-2011, 01:25 PM

You do have balls for posting that on the hardest forum around. lol. most of the people reading it are going to want to cut your sac off.lol

lmao... awesomeness.

whiterps13

01-19-2011, 01:26 PM

nicho919

01-19-2011, 02:01 PM

I don't care about you or your feelings, now get off my nuts. Just because I don't like something doesn't mean he needs to give two shits, but I am allowed to say that I don't like something. And don't talk about cops not being car-mod friendly. I live in a small city in North Carolina, surrounded by towns that will pull you because you "got on it a little hard, heard your exhaust." This thread has two pictures of SOMEONE ELSE'S motor and some pictures from a magazine spread. Kind of useless.

mysharonna

01-19-2011, 02:05 PM

to each their own.

To be clear, just about everything on this car is functional as a street car. Thats the point of it.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:W9DrqQ7DXqHhGM:http://www.thecompletelawyer.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/respect_ahead_2181105.jpg&t=1

get some

holemilk00

01-19-2011, 02:06 PM

Maybe you should zip tie the new LS3 in the bay Toby and then you would have everyones respect.

ThatGuy

01-19-2011, 02:06 PM

Kind of useless.

Not as useless as your posts in this Thread.

If you don't like this build, don't read it, and definitely don't stir up shit in it anymore. It's just that simple.

Now, please back to on topic. This thread needs more updates from Toby, and less discussion from everyone else.

nicho919

01-19-2011, 02:07 PM

FUNCTION. bitches.. form. In that order.

P.s. I know he has a wife, I know he's 30 something, and I know that's his tastes. Doesn't mean everyone and their mom has to ride his dick because he built a clean car. Doesn't mean I hate him for building it. It's clean. I just don't care for all the extra-non-functional-shit.

I'm out. Enjoy a clean ride, dude. LS3 torque should be fun.

lightsource

01-19-2011, 02:15 PM

GUYS/GALS, JUST WAIT UNTIL THE CAR IS DONE. Whether it'll be your 'style' or not is irrelevant, you'll like it. Trust me.

Good luck with the build! Excited to see what wheels you put on it next ;)

NewS13Guy

01-19-2011, 05:58 PM

Cant wait to see the final results on this car...should be beyond clean as most of your work is...SUBSCRIBED

Nick_04K

01-19-2011, 09:08 PM

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Now, please back to on topic. This thread needs more updates from Toby, and less discussion from everyone else.

With all the shit talking from everyone in this thread i sincerely hope Toby does not update it once the real building is underway and his documentation is posted.

A clean thread where everyone keeps themselves in check will be much more pleasant to read IMO.

Om1kron

01-19-2011, 09:19 PM

zilvia.net where people with less money than me tell me what I need to be doing with my car based upon their experience (google) with cars.

miggypq21

01-19-2011, 10:52 PM

Have you looked into these rocker covers yet? They're on the pricey side and I'm really not a fan of carbon fiber but I think they look gorgeous

Chevy LS1, LS2, LS6, LS7 Carbon Fiber Valve Covers (http://www.scootersperformance.com/lsx.htm)

pacotaco345

01-19-2011, 11:52 PM

http://www.geistware.com/rcmodeling/images/pop_off_tester.jpg

that thing looks like a penis pump... :ugh:

stinky_180

01-21-2011, 01:15 PM

^Don't you see the Man-o-Meter lol
jp jp

Your car is friggin sweet! Its only going to get better, keep up the good work.

raz0rbladez909

01-21-2011, 02:54 PM

I want to do something different than the polished this time around. I had the polished theme going for 4 years... it's time for something new. And to be honest with you, I was actually going to paint all of my polished stuff on the SR this winter if I had kept it.

Yeah, I guess they just look like a big black blob in there... I want a little "pop".

I remember a while back a company called dip-tech was a Vendor on here, not sure if they still are but that have some pretty cool original things they can do if you want to check em out, that is if you haven't decided already :D

Broadfield

01-22-2011, 05:59 PM

Broadfield, I've always enjoyed the quality of your work and attention to detail, but especially the cleanliness of what you do. Can't wait to see this thing completed. Figured I'd share something from silviav8forums.com (http://SilviaV8Forums.com) as it pertains pretty well to what you guys are talking about:

silviav8forums.com :: View topic - The question of the month "What does it weigh" (http://www.silviav8forums.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3120)

I have never weighed my car, just sharing what's been posted over on SilviaV8. I'm not sure if you have to be a member or not to see the other posts, I know some of the forums require an account.

P.S.- post a build thread over there, quality ones are always a great read, and everyone there has gone through the same problems getting theirs running.

Nice find man, now that's what I'm talking about. I never thought about taking my car to the scale and doing a complete before and after. Now it's too late to do a before. I have taken it to the scale many times before, but I can't remember exactly what it was... so it will be pointless to weight it after and compare.

If you changed the intake manifold on an LS I would either do the fast90 or the newer fast120's. If you went with something else, I would suggest that you go with something that has full customization options like the Marcella Manifolds. You get to control every design aspect of it, runner length and more.

Marcella Manifolds Home Page (http://www.marcellamanifolds.net/)

Baller man!

Not my style, but hey, to each their own. I'm a firm believer in that it something is functional, and done right, it is beautiful. Cars don't need wire tucks or a clone FD cluster, as broadfield's is, to be beautiful. Just make it functional, and take it to the track. Don't do performance enthusiasts mods, and then hard park, damnit. This is why I don't have much respect for Broadfield. His car won't ever see the track, and for that reason, I don't ever want to see it in a magazine.

Wow, a little harsh! Since when is my car not functional? Just because I don't use it like you would, doesn't make it any less functional... does it? Hell, it has a fully functional... well, everything. Take it to the track, strip, on 1000 mile trip... all the while chilling in the air conditioning. Does it need a urinal inside or something to be more functional? Oh, and what's this clone FD cluster you speak of?

Also, the respect thing. I thought respect was even when you don't like the style, you still appreciate the hard work that went into it!?!

FUNCTION. bitches.. form. In that order.

P.s. I know he has a wife, I know he's 30 something, and I know that's his tastes. Doesn't mean everyone and their mom has to ride his dick because he built a clean car. Doesn't mean I hate him for building it. It's clean. I just don't care for all the extra-non-functional-shit.

I'm out. Enjoy a clean ride, dude. LS3 torque should be fun.

I completed the function aspect of it years ago, it's been all form since then.;)

You must hate life or something... your first name doesn't happen to be Greg does it?

zilvia.net where people with less money than me tell me what I need to be doing with my car based upon their experience (google) with cars.

Classic man! I can always count on you for the comment of the week.:)

Have you looked into these rocker covers yet? They're on the pricey side and I'm really not a fan of carbon fiber but I think they look gorgeous

Chevy LS1, LS2, LS6, LS7 Carbon Fiber Valve Covers (http://www.scootersperformance.com/lsx.htm)

Yeah, Katech has some like that also. Like you though, I'm not a huge fan of carbon fiber. They do look sick though... I have to admit.

I remember a while back a company called dip-tech was a Vendor on here, not sure if they still are but that have some pretty cool original things they can do if you want to check em out, that is if you haven't decided already :D

Thanks man, I'll have to look into them.

97240TB

01-22-2011, 08:42 PM

lolz...

Just keep a Swiss Army Knife in your car... This way it's multifunctional.

That guy was raging way too hard... lol

Hoffman5982

01-22-2011, 11:08 PM

Not my style, but hey, to each their own. I'm a firm believer in that it something is functional, and done right, it is beautiful. Cars don't need wire tucks or a clone FD cluster, as broadfield's is, to be beautiful. Just make it functional, and take it to the track. Don't do performance enthusiasts mods, and then hard park, damnit. This is why I don't have much respect for Broadfield. His car won't ever see the track, and for that reason, I don't ever want to see it in a magazine.

I'd like to see pictures of your work compared to Broadfield's. I'm sure that will give you a good idea as to why we "ride his dick".

There's a reason magazines have articles about his car. There's a reason that anyone into 240's knows all about Broadfield and his car. There's a reason people pay him hundreds of dollars just to have a custom gauge cluster.

His work is legit. It is 100% perfect. The difference between him and most other people, and probably including you, is he doesn't settle. If there is one little tiny speck that he does not like, he will completely start over. You obviously haven't taken a look at pictures of his car. It's not a track slut. He built it to enjoy cruising around in it. That's pretty damn functional. If you can't respect the work he has already put into this car, much less how much more he is about to put in, you need to sell your car for a kia and find a new hobby. You are a sack of shit for what you have posted. Your not an enthusiast or whatever the hell you think you are. Please leave this thread and post your useless bull shit on another forum.

Broadfield- Keep on keepin on man

drift_limo

01-23-2011, 05:25 AM

Im also about "track"cars and clean cars, but Broadfield has best of both worlds. Plus im sure he has fun with this car:2f2f: specially one that is built with such detail, alot of kids on here should really be taking notes isntead off hating.

zilvia.net where people with less money than me tell me what I need to be doing with my car based upon their experience (google) with cars.
:bigok:

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94_240sx

01-25-2011, 08:42 AM

I have a source for the Silvia skirts and rear valances, just getting a shipping quote for that stuff.

Your side skirts are here in the U.S!!! I'll give you the cleanest pair among all these. Still working on rear valances though. Good luck with the build!!
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p112/sxj6151/NICO2/IMG_6140.jpg

ixfxi

01-25-2011, 09:25 AM

Not my style, but hey, to each their own. I'm a firm believer in that it something is functional, and done right, it is beautiful. Cars don't need wire tucks or a clone FD cluster, as broadfield's is, to be beautiful. Just make it functional, and take it to the track. Don't do performance enthusiasts mods, and then hard park, damnit. This is why I don't have much respect for Broadfield. His car won't ever see the track, and for that reason, I don't ever want to see it in a magazine.

FUNCTION. bitches.. form. In that order.

P.s. I know he has a wife, I know he's 30 something, and I know that's his tastes. Doesn't mean everyone and their mom has to ride his dick because he built a clean car. Doesn't mean I hate him for building it. It's clean. I just don't care for all the extra-non-functional-shit.

I'm out. Enjoy a clean ride, dude. LS3 torque should be fun.

what is this "TRACK" you speak of? like, are you suggesting he transport his car to germany and attempt the nurburgring? Or, being from North Carolina is there some circle dirt track that you and your mullet having friends race on?

i like how you think the world revolves around you, and because you dont want to see his car in the limelight then it shouldnt be in magazines, forums, etc. and because you think magazine-worthy cars need to be tracked in order to gain respect.

something tells me youve never built a car before.. a PROPERLY built a car, at that. im on 6 years with my build and i can tell that you must be a complete idiot to fail to understand the skill and/or attention to detail to do any of the work toby has done.

i guess the mods could delete your posts and mine, remove the clutter.. but its actually nice to read stuff like this because it reminds people not to be stupid and to keep their fucking mouths shut. most of the builds i've seen are absolute crap. this is one of the few that i like. i may not care that its a coupe or that its going to use an LSx motor, but again.. its not my fucking build thread, ya'moron.

good luck toby
mike

Broadfield

01-25-2011, 10:56 AM

Your side skirts are here in the U.S!!! I'll give you the cleanest pair among all these. Still working on rear valances though. Good luck with the build!!

Hell yeah! Just PM or email me what I owe you and I can Paypal for them now. That way you can hold them for me until you find the valances. I "may" of found some valances, but I'll let you know once I know.

OBEEWON

01-25-2011, 12:18 PM

I can't believe that dude admitted to "riding dick". How gay.

nismoman

01-25-2011, 02:43 PM

I can't believe that dude admitted to "riding dick". How gay.
lol, no homo though

jdmanthony

01-25-2011, 04:00 PM

Too Late. You like the ween! lolol

Om1kron

01-25-2011, 04:03 PM

Something tells me youve never built a car before.. a PROPERLY built a car, at that. im on 6 years with my build and i can tell that you must be a complete idiot to fail to understand the skill and/or attention to detail to do any of the work toby has done.

good luck toby
mike

Speaking of which hows' that thing coming along man?

In a nutshell I can almost gaurentee every post in this thread not from broadfield is going to say.

"fucking gay man sr20 forever, needs more low, needs more bnsports, needs more this and that and all the other gay shit I can't afford but want to live vicariously through you to affirm the decisions I have not yet made with my car because I spend all my time trying to get my dick wet while living with mom and dad and street drifting my beater/project."

and when Toby actually posts progress with the car and shows it finished with a v8 motor in it the responses will pretty much be similar to the guy with the supermade zenki with the v8 in it for sale.

"OMG THAT SHIT IS LIKE MY DREAMS AND HOPES PAINTED RED MAN OMG OMG"

"V8 is the truth, fuck turbo cars, buying tons of AN fittings sucks dick."

"Building engine bays is for honda guys, lets start building motors again"

etc, etc, etc.