D1GP Help

[Martins13]

What do you suggest to make D1GP as huge in the U.S.(As Big Or Bigger than FD)

I'm part of a team that is helping to advertise and change things in D1GP and your suggestions are very valuable =]

[SHARKERIOcoupe]

They say there's no room for two proffesional drift series...

Do IT

my brain is turning

[Martins13]

i say there is...is just like another season of sports...but of a different caliber hopefully the same if not better

[KansaiDrifter]

Come up to the NW! haha Evergreen Speedway, Pacific Grand Prix, I'd love to see some jdm action up here lol.

But really I think it was mainly venues that seemed to be lacking that last season, didn't seem to have the impact of the previous seasons being in parking lots lol. Oh and less about girls being whores and more about drifting and cars ;) Ok so some whoring is ok...but not so much, used to be something you'd see dads with their young sons and daughters around but with so much of that it drives the family part back out of it. Put some class back into it.

[MelloS13]

I heard that FD and D1 were gonna collaborate but D1 didn't agree to the terms, that would be great line up to see. MAKE IT HAPPEN CAP'n !! ^_^

[Martins13]

i want chick drivers so the young daughter would come along, and abotu class D1 was never much of a whoring thing...but ill clean it up haha ..but ur right about venues ill bring that up for sure

[s13 @ fullboost]

advertise on speed channel man i watch that shit all the time and i am sure alot off other members do also

[thefro526]

MAKE D1 A RELIABLE SERIES.

Seems like D1 has become the new Nopi with it's whole, "we're coming back, oh wait, we're not".

[Rag]

D1, FD, Nopi, XDC, etc...

Politics, politics and more politics with the occasional lie here and there.

[ZX88]

V8's duh. mustangs, cameros, and shitty cars.

seriously.

more venues, equal amounts of events on east and west coast, more media coverage.

[Martins13]

MAKE D1 A RELIABLE SERIES.

Seems like D1 has become the new Nopi with it's whole, "we're coming back, oh wait, we're not".

will do...and it is comming back....better venues will be set up as welll

[all show no go]

MAKE D1 A RELIABLE SERIES.

Seems like D1 has become the new Nopi with it's whole, "we're coming back, oh wait, we're not".


Exactly, Drama queens. Would like to see something new, but I'm really pessimistic.

[all show no go]

Okay, to not be so negative.. try this, Maybe bring most of the D1GP (Japan) roster. Those teams or privateers that can afford it anyway. Last D1 USA I went to in Anaheim there were only a handful of japan drivers; (Saito, Nomura, Tanaka, Kumakubo, Ueno) Entertaining drivers indeed, but it didn't feel like D1 circa 2004-2006. Maybe it was the parking lot track setup but it wasn't worth attending again really.

More drivers, I think I'll be content. Don't know if that will make it as big as FD, but it's one big step closer.

[thefro526]

Shoot, I thought more.

Do you want to make D1 a cool series?

Make it so that it doesn't become this giant spending war like where Formula D is going.

Make it so that cars have to retain OEM Unibodies, loosen the cage rules a bit so people can keep their interior, judge based on how well the driver entertained the crowd, cap the displacement at no more than +1 litre from stock, etc.

That would be cool.

[Martins13]

Shoot, I thought more.

Do you want to make D1 a cool series?

Make it so that it doesn't become this giant spending war like where Formula D is going.

Make it so that cars have to retain OEM Unibodies, loosen the cage rules a bit so people can keep their interior, judge based on how well the driver entertained the crowd, cap the displacement at no more than +1 litre from stock, etc.

That would be cool.

This is what im trying to get too because i believe FD has become a hp battle with toyota racing engines and what not.. i want mroe of a grassroots comming back but iwth a mainstream vibe

[rweezly_s13]

bring in some drivers from japan to knock off
some of the garbage FD drivers...FD is boring
compared to D1...but that's just me
good luck with this!

[dontxploitme]

have D1 compete with FD drivers. this way the FD drivers will get spanked and D1 will then be bigger than FD

or advertise it as the ORIGINAL drift competition from japan so people will know

[singlecamslam]

I though D1 had a street legal class? I think thats an awesome class.

[nieko]

street legal class over here would be radddd

[Landers]

STREET LEGAL CLASS


Cater to those who dont have FD budgets.... the trade off?

Some might say its "boring" because they arent 800hp machines


ALSO compete on smaller tracks to make the drifting more exciting to watch, look at japan D1.
Whats more exciting? watching autopolis or sugo kart?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U7WSEgY_84

[Landers]

there is so much wrong with D1 usa.....goodluck buddd

[nismobenzo]

the more events around the country the better--more exposure--more fans--more $$

[singlecamslam]

Street legal class would be pretty intense. But street legal here in us = stock KA haha, atleast in CA. More grassroots type drifting, better tracks, better announcers, throwing that retarded ass rule book in the trash, better tracks.

[fckillerbee]

the problem with fd....is there are too many amatures trying to compete with pro's.

which means......there are only pro's competing. and pro's win, cause they have big budgets.

So make a class that can advance all the pro am guys, without having to shell out another 40k to just be remotely in the same class as these guys.

perfect example...just drift is one of the major organizations here the helps move amatures into FD.

all those cars are about 300whp. some more, some less. How does one get his license, and jump in with vaughn gitten and his mustang...or tanner foust and his nascar motor? or tuerk with his 800whp sky.....

Okay, so you make tire restrictions to weight....makes the playing field a littler more even...but tires are soooo different, that I can run a 245 r compound, and have the same grip as a 295 street tire.....so how does that make complete sense.

d1gp would be successful if drifting took longer than 15 minutes to complete the 32 bracket system.... why's it gotta be 32...?

or,...have a pro class...and an amature class. guys that have no cap...and guys that have a restriction.

the problem with entertaining a crowd with drifting is...the simple fact that waiting 10 minutes between runs is boring. I came to see drifting. Lets see it. the fact that out of 32 drivers....that means there are 32 runs. (1 lead 1 follow).

Give us excitement, I want to see driving...top 32 to top 16...in fd...there's an hour of gap. we walked around all day at 1pm to see the cars...why do we need to see the cars 3-4 more times that night...we don't we want waiting...so give us more cars, more drivers, more entertainment.


THAT IS ALL.


you can pm me.

[ericcastro]

A big problem is that FD told their drivers that they were not allowed to compete in D1 when it tried to come back last time.
Only a couple people said fuck it, i gotta try and make money, and showed, and those were none ofthe big sponsored guys.

The D1 drivers that came were amazing.
Saito was awesome. he hit the wall in the same part on every initiation.
When team orange and Saito came out and did triple tandem less then a foot apart going door to door to door, I was blown away.

Its not the driving level as much as a different kind of driving for that series.
If D1 got a section of laguna seca, it might get interesting.
But I am personally bored as shit of Irwindale.

[nieko]

Okay, so you make tire restrictions to weight....makes the playing field a littler more even...but tires are soooo different, that I can run a 245 r compound, and have the same grip as a 295 street tire.....so how does that make complete sense.



kinda random but...

I'm pretty sure they are all limited to street tires bro.


More drifting.
More close tandem.


that is all. hahaha

and pretty much everything castro and dave said

[JayDee M Rolly]

make it so that the drift event doesn't sound like a nascar event is happening.

[thefro526]

make it so that the drift event doesn't sound like a nascar event is happening.

This guy has just won my undying respect. <3

Seems like a lot of us are on the same page, OP.

Make this like D1SL.

Partying in the streets will ensue.

[Slidin' Sam]

OP:

First, WHO are you?

Second, D1 needs to fix all their shit here in Japan before they try and head back to the states.

All other people:

D1SL is just SLIGHTLY de-tuned D1GP car's (because they have a cat) w/ a working radio! There is sooooo much money in D1SL now (not for payouts/prizes) that it is simply another D1GP series...slightly different tech and some different drivers, but everything else is the same.

As far as tire compound goes...you can run tires from an approved list, so everybody could run the same tire if they wanted to, so "245 r compound vs 295 street tire" is not a good argument.

I imagine "FD not letting drivers compete in D1" has something to do with D1 not letting drivers compete in FD/Red Bull World Series etc. D1 has complete control of their drivers! Soooo many politics involved. Oh, and FYI, Daigo wasn't supposed to win the championship....he is just a beast and put all of D1's golden children to shame.

As far as close tandems...the states just needs to catch up on the tsuiso game. All events (at all levels) in Japan run very close tsuiso...it's just the style over here I guess, and I really don't understand why they don't run close at ALL in the states.

[battle_240sx]

d1sl us small guys need something to do. there are toms of small guys out that have the skill but just dont have the money to do the big fd events. so i would say run small events around the us east and west and i mean east cause we reall dont have much here then do one big ass event like a three day one and invite all of the small guys. i would say like the top three or four from each of the small events get free transportation of there car and some tires. that would be great to see who is the best grassroots drifters in the states.

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i say... release all 32 cars at the same time. let's party!

[Landers]

As far as close tandems...the states just needs to catch up on the tsuiso game. All events (at all levels) in Japan run very close tsuiso...it's just the style over here I guess, and I really don't understand why they don't run close at ALL in the states.


Thank you...

[GabeS14]

One thing I have never seen in the Us that was always the coolest part to watch was the (Team Drifting) where 5-7 cars of team"A" would all tandem together, 3 inches from each other, ...I have never seen anything like it in the US..(well I lie, I have seen in the local drift events but just for fun.. no pro championship does it)
that not only is fun to watch, it creates, "teams" which create comradery which in turn create fans...I think most people in japan dont just have a favorite driver they usually have a "drift team" they root for.
wether it's because they are good, or because they are the local town drift team.

[darkevildrifter]

The D1 drivers that came were amazing.
Saito was awesome. he hit the wall in the same part on every initiation.
When team orange and Saito came out and did triple tandem less then a foot apart going door to door to door, I was blown away.

Team Orange gives me wood!!

I wish FD and D1GP would become one cause im tired of seeing the same people win all the time..

[singlecamslam]

Less Tanner Foust and nascar scions. Need variety, V'8 are cool and all, but when every other car has one its lame. We need cars like the toyota chaser, skylines, shit we never seen before. NO V8 SCIONS for the love of god.

[nismobenzo]

im tired of seeing the same people win all the time..
SRSLY
...
nothing wrong with guys who are really stepping their game up but just gets old seeing the same guys on the podium
FD and US topgear...oh america you fail hard:ughd:

[sidewaysil80]

i second the "OP who are you?" question. what company do you work with? how exactly are you aligned with the d1 grand prix?

[SHARKERIOcoupe]

lot's of cool Ideas - even cooler to see them realized :x:
street legal class for sure - girl drivers, definitely!
i don't know about all the politics - might be interesting to... hmmm :squint:

[SHARKERIOcoupe]

i say... release all 32 cars at the same time. let's party!

im with thaaaat!!! :boink:

[ericcastro]

I think there is always a problem when the people drive together.
American drifting is a lot different then JPN, like stated above.

A few guys do will together. JR seems to adjust really easily to it.
I think with thepro's on some missle car thing right now, they will naturally start to tandem that way in FD as well.

Every FD year gets better and better as far as driving goes.
This year some of the guys where really sticking close to each other.

I imagine that if politics were different D1 with FD would be pretty good together now days.
There also isnt much insentive for D1 here.
We arent gonna be ordering parts from Japanese companies, and any sponsor that is in D1 is most likely in FD too.
And prize money is nothing.
So that leaves people needing to be paid off of the seats they sell.
But it cost a lot to come over here with a car on a boat and run a season, and have a car back home for that season.

[S13SILVIA|E46M3]

I was crushed when D1 stopped coming to the US. I went to every D1 event in SoCal. Even the one it rained, went to that one by myself, sad really. But I thought the events were super awesome already. Hands down better than FD, to me, back then. I really hope you guys are able to bring back D1 to the US. I would most defiantly be there.

[Martins13]

i second the "OP who are you?" question. what company do you work with? how exactly are you aligned with the d1 grand prix?

I am Martin Rivera... I got this crazy legit job through a family friend who knows im involved in the car community and drift myself....she owns and operates a advertising agency and was hired by the D1GP board...and I believe if your in here to ask that question your not needed...I'm here to see what you the audience wants to see not boast.Through a logical view it doesnt matter who I am but to keep waters calm i stated this.

[SHARKERIOcoupe]

I think they had something cool going with D1 Underground - maybe can develop something more with that

[ericcastro]

I am Martin Rivera... I got this crazy legit job through a family friend who knows im involved in the car community and drift myself....she owns and operates a advertising agency and was hired by the D1GP board...and I believe if your in here to ask that question your not needed...I'm here to see what you the audience wants to see not boast.Through a logical view it doesnt matter who I am but to keep waters calm i stated this.

I thought about asking that question myself.
We of course have the right to know who is asking, so we can share our ideas and know this isnt one big troll.

Most professionals would have opened with something like,
"Hi, Im Martin Rivera, I am working with an advertisement company that is testing the waters to see if re-instating the D1GP series in the states would be a success for the fans and D1GP corporation."

If you want the support and help of the community and strangers, you dont come in with
.............. I believe if your in here to ask that question your not needed...I'm here to see what you the audience wants to see not boast............ it doesnt matter who I am but to keep waters calm i stated this.
Comes of nasty Martin.

[ericcastro]

I was crushed when D1 stopped coming to the US. I went to every D1 event in SoCal. Even the one it rained, went to that one by myself, sad really.
You mean this one?
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/142/326733403_74d75a08b4.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ericcastro/326733403/)
Media Pit (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ericcastro/326733403/) by www.ericcastro.biz (http://www.flickr.com/people/ericcastro/), on Flickr

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Subaru (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ericcastro/326673053/) by www.ericcastro.biz (http://www.flickr.com/people/ericcastro/), on Flickr

Different cars back then
Sam
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/135/326552473_d161e8ee65.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ericcastro/326552473/)
Mopar Charger (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ericcastro/326552473/) by www.ericcastro.biz (http://www.flickr.com/people/ericcastro/), on Flickr

Gushi
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/141/326552673_7871df66f0.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ericcastro/326552673/)
Ken Gushi (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ericcastro/326552673/) by www.ericcastro.biz (http://www.flickr.com/people/ericcastro/), on Flickr

Tanner (who hit the wall later that day
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/137/326560975_d54c7fd8b3.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ericcastro/326560975/)
350Z (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ericcastro/326560975/) by www.ericcastro.biz (http://www.flickr.com/people/ericcastro/), on Flickr

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/137/326734652_73b22283a1.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ericcastro/326734652/)
winner (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ericcastro/326734652/) by www.ericcastro.biz (http://www.flickr.com/people/ericcastro/), on Flickr

[Martins13]

Eric i was going to trade my rx8 for your s13...but i ended up buying one lol...and yeah sorry i didnt really think that paragraph out. i just dont want to be flamed on when im here jsut looking for what you guys want...and excuse my immaturity im 19.

[ericcastro]

Eric i was going to trade my rx8 for your s13...but i ended up buying one lol...and yeah sorry i didnt really think that paragraph out. i just dont want to be flamed on when im here jsut looking for what you guys want...and excuse my immaturity im 19.
No worries.
I tried to make sure my reply didnt sound like I was being a dick, and you didnt take it that way, so cool.
Ya just gotta remember, although you may have legitimate ties, we have had thread over the years on here that sound legit, but end up not being :)

Yeah, I saw one of those the other day, and figured it was prolly best i didnt trade, lol It would have been really nice to have a decently clean daily/sports car, but I have a full out drift car and dont want to spend a year or two building another.
Glad you got your S13 though. Fun and easy to work on as far as decently modern cars go.

And I also realized you age and considered that in my reply ;)

What Ideas do you have, cause we can talk about them and give you feedback (that is our opinion, not neccesarily right)?

[thefro526]

There have been some really good ideas thrown around in this thread, I'm actually pretty impressed with some of them.

I'm with the guys that said that D1 USA should encourage closer Tandem.

The Team Drift Idea would also be really cool too, though you may have an issue fielding enough teams of 3 cars, you figure 8 teams would require 24 drivers.

[Martins13]

my ideas from the being where

1.pro and am classes
1. venues!
2.drift chicks
3.american drivers
4.team tandems
5.engine size...
6.announcers..

ideas i love from you guys

1.how the drift event needs to be more fluid

I introduce the pro and am classes so we dont have to wait an hour between runs and what not...32 to 16 we have mini event soemthing along those lines

2.Nascar < Drift

3. street legal class..dont know how that works with the CA code but we will try n work with something

but my job is also to get the word out...examples stickers ...drift events where some D1GP drivers go out and drift with us the everyweekend warriors...clinics..better venues. online schedules. car meets in which D1GP would hold a drift event.

[fckillerbee]

my ideas from the being where

1.pro and am classes
1. venues!
2.drift chicks
3.american drivers
4.team tandems
5.engine size...
6.announcers..

ideas i love from you guys

1.how the drift event needs to be more fluid

I introduce the pro and am classes so we dont have to wait an hour between runs and what not...32 to 16 we have mini event soemthing along those lines

2.Nascar < Drift

3. street legal class..dont know how that works with the CA code but we will try n work with something

but my job is also to get the word out...examples stickers ...drift events where some D1GP drivers go out and drift with us the everyweekend warriors...clinics..better venues. online schedules. car meets in which D1GP would hold a drift event.

this doesn't have to be "smog" legal. But more so a "full interior, no cutting in the firewall. Chasis has to have a "same manufacturer" idea.

example.

s13 needs to have a ka, rb, vq, etc... a nissan motor (in other words no ls1 in a chassis other than chevy)

and a power restriction....like 400whp. That's plenty for most tracks...

and make the amature track a different layout than the pro layout. Just something a little different.



and as far as team tandem....why not a team skill show?.... or a giveaway...like if "tanner can scrape the wall in this section...seat so and so wins a ridealong" and "if gitten hits the spot...person gets this"...basically something happening in between the waiting...

[fckillerbee]

kinda random but...

I'm pretty sure they are all limited to street tires bro.


More drifting.
More close tandem.


that is all. hahaha

and pretty much everything castro and dave said

they are...but i know...all street tires have a different traction level.

kdw's are the best for lateral g's.

so every other tire is less than that....so if they wanted it to be fair...they would need to do what nascar did...and have one manufacturer for the whole thing.

i vote falken. ;D

[fckillerbee]

OP:

First, WHO are you?

Second, D1 needs to fix all their shit here in Japan before they try and head back to the states.

All other people:

D1SL is just SLIGHTLY de-tuned D1GP car's (because they have a cat) w/ a working radio! There is sooooo much money in D1SL now (not for payouts/prizes) that it is simply another D1GP series...slightly different tech and some different drivers, but everything else is the same.

As far as tire compound goes...you can run tires from an approved list, so everybody could run the same tire if they wanted to, so "245 r compound vs 295 street tire" is not a good argument.

I imagine "FD not letting drivers compete in D1" has something to do with D1 not letting drivers compete in FD/Red Bull World Series etc. D1 has complete control of their drivers! Soooo many politics involved. Oh, and FYI, Daigo wasn't supposed to win the championship....he is just a beast and put all of D1's golden children to shame.

As far as close tandems...the states just needs to catch up on the tsuiso game. All events (at all levels) in Japan run very close tsuiso...it's just the style over here I guess, and I really don't understand why they don't run close at ALL in the states.


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if you are sponsored by nexen....i'm pretty sure you're expected to run nexen...all of nexens tires don't compare to any of the UHP tires.

[darkevildrifter]

wow no love for Dunlop..I guess they didnt give FD any money

[ericcastro]

Guess it probably doesnt matter anyways

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D1JPN is pretty much done.

I figure FD is next. then we will have a lul for several years and it will grow and be much better and have lost a lot of the people that are just in for the money, much like skateboarding continues to reinvent itself over and over again.


Question is, Is JR gonna be Tony HAwk, Or the GOnz when it comes back??

[nieko]

Feddies are back in FD for 2011?

or is that an old tire list.... lol

[SHARKERIOcoupe]

Business Vs. Passion

Business only knows how to add and subtract dollars. Any moron can do so.

So what does this all mean now?

[mikerbike]

That's awesome Castro. Let it die.

FD is boring to watch on youtube, and at the events themselves (I've only been to one, but it was just like the videos with more waiting around). Thousands of screaming fans who have never tried drifting for themselves.

D1 is only slightly more entertaining to watch though. Power battle. The skill is still there, but the spirit is gone.

IMO, IMO.

[Slidin' Sam]

That's awesome Castro. Let it die.
FD is boring to watch on youtube, and at the events themselves (I've only been to one, but it was just like the videos with more waiting around).

I have been to both D1 events and FD events. Yes, the driving is better in D1, BUT the event layout is better in FD. In FD, you can walk through the pits whenever you want, talk to drivers and crew members etc, get real up close with the cars and really connect with the teams. In D1, you get a "walk through" of the pits. Not all the cars are on display and you can't mingle with all the drivers and crews.

I also have been behind the scenes a little bit on both D1 and FD because I know some drivers in each series, so I have gotten to see a little more than your average fan who attends an event.



Thousands of screaming fans who have never tried drifting for themselves.

This is true of most sports, especially motorsports. (NASCAR)

[NINJASPY]

Bring back privateers.

[SHARKERIOcoupe]

Privateers exist...They are real.

[thefro526]

Bring back privateers.

I guess a more appropriate statement would be to make it more easy for Privateers to compete, though doing that may lower the level of competition overall.

[Martins13]

sorry for no update but i will be meeting tommorw with evveryone discussing recent events .....and future

[zaquanh]

why not just do D1sl like planned

[2000gtx]

the rules are too loose for the cars..whoever is in charge of marketing over at toyota is retarded too,do they really think kids seeing a rearwheel drive scion with a v8 from nascar are going to go out and buy a fwd scion they dont even have anything to drift with and the rules in d1 suck you got all v8 cars in the feild now ..why not call it nasdrift the seireis lacks excitement because it doesnt seem feasable for a little guy to drift..i think thats why asabo with the supra was so popular ..but all these chevy powed and ford stuff.and.the mopars are killing it....but i think drifting will die on a professional level at some point if it has not already...

[nismobenzo]

but i think drifting will die on a professional level at some point if it has not already...

grassroot drifting will always be where its at anyways--
then becoming a privateer in the pro circuit just shows how much passion and determination they have--props to them
http://motormavens.com/emAlbum/albums/Antonio%20Alvendia/Events/Formula%20D%20Seattle%202009/IMG_6946_rolland_gallagher_s13_drift_copy.jpg

[fckillerbee]

it'll die if they can't figure out how to build fans....without making them wait hours in between runs.

drifting has the excitement...people just need to share it....it's hard to get excited watching these guys drive for 15 seconds.

[AGNT84]

:naw:But street legal here in us = stock KA yeah this sucks
:rawk:More grassroots type drifting, better tracks +2
hope something like this happens:x:

[NINJASPY]

I guess a more appropriate statement would be to make it more easy for Privateers to compete, though doing that may lower the level of competition overall.

IMO its not gonna happen. Cops waiting outside Irwindale to tow cars as soon as they come outside. You don't see that during drag nights. But then again most* of those cars are old and smog exempt.

[thefro526]

IMO its not gonna happen. Cops waiting outside Irwindale to tow cars as soon as they come outside. You don't see that during drag nights. But then again most* of those cars are old and smog exempt.

What the hell does that mean?

Being a privateer doesn't mean that you drive your "race car" on the street.

[fckillerbee]

there was a guy that showed up to pro am last year in his s13 he drove from washington with tires in his trunk.....

i'm pretty sure he placed top 3......

[Corbic]

One thing I have never seen in the Us that was always the coolest part to watch was the (Team Drifting) where 5-7 cars of team"A" would all tandem together, 3 inches from each other, ...I have never seen anything like it in the US..(well I lie, I have seen in the local drift events but just for fun.. no pro championship does it)
that not only is fun to watch, it creates, "teams" which create comradery which in turn create fans...I think most people in japan dont just have a favorite driver they usually have a "drift team" they root for.
wether it's because they are good, or because they are the local town drift team.

To expand on the team idea, we need a conference system. I&rsquo;m tired of seeing the only events being held in the west and maybe one event in either the far corners of the east. Make a North and South West conference, Midwest, and North and South East conference.

Have events in those conferences, rankings so forth, and top drivers/teams go to a major champion ship, just like you see in College and Pro Football.

So you live in Illinois, hit up the 6 events, you get in the top three and all three of you head off to battle it out in a National Champion ship.

For any serious following and merchandising to take place you need to build honest to god teams, I could give a fuck about Tanner Faust and his Stock-Car Scion or all the cars Falken splattered their logo over. But if you could really pull in region and tie that to a team, I think people would care more&hellip; the Chicago Snow Drifts or something. Then you are not at the total whim of what someone is driving to attract fans

Also, with a conference system, it gets rid of the excuses for limited event coverage. I&rsquo;m willing to bet the major reason (and cost) behind not having more events across the country is the teams, drivers, staffs and sponsors don&rsquo;t want to drive across country all season long. This is also true for the East and Midwest guys, sure we can be badass drivers, build amazing machines, but few have the money to quit work and make a 6 trips across country each season to race. With a region system, everyone can stay in their region for the main portion of the season, throw massive events out in Cali, and let the rest of us still have quality professional events, albeit less fan fair, but then shots at national titles.

I think everyone realizes you don&rsquo;t need a massive vender/sponsor turn out, car shows and all the accompanying spectacles FD events have to be a good driver with a serious race car.

As far as Cars go&hellip; screwed if you do, screwed if you don&rsquo;t. You can&rsquo;t say drivers have to keep their stock engines/power trains because then they would all just buy the latest ZR1s, 370Zs and Mustangs and build those, if you do a Displacement limitation you&rsquo;ll lose your Ford, GM et al sponsors as they are not about to make small engine cars just to make FD/D1 happy. This is a professional level of racing. You&rsquo;re not going to enter NASCAR, TopFuel or F1 rocking your backyard build $7,000 &ldquo;missile&rdquo;, so why are people expecting to be able to do that in top-series professional drifting?

[Corbic]

the rules are too loose for the cars..whoever is ...

You have D1 and FD confused.

[thefro526]

there was a guy that showed up to pro am last year in his s13 he drove from washington with tires in his trunk.....

i'm pretty sure he placed top 3......

A lot of that depends on where you live, I guess.

There are a lot of dudes around me that drive SR and RB swapped cars to the track all the time and never get bothered.

That being said, I know a bunch of Privateers that Trailer their cars to and from events.

I was just trying to tell the dude above me that being a privateer has nothing to do with driving your car to and from events, you know?

[Corbic]

A lot of that depends on where you live, I guess.

There are a lot of dudes around me that drive SR and RB swapped cars to the track all the time and never get bothered.

That being said, I know a bunch of Privateers that Trailer their cars to and from events.

I was just trying to tell the dude above me that being a privateer has nothing to do with driving your car to and from events, you know?

Only an idiot would drive his car to a pro-series event. What happens when your car pops or wrecks? How do you carry all the tools and tires you'd honestly need?

[nismobenzo]

^a dedicated, die hard love for drifting idiot?

[2000gtx]

i think maybe combing the gymkana thing or a time attack might bring more spectators along with drifting but the rules gotta change for more jap style cars the tube chassis cars and v8 s i think are hurting the d1 and or formula d ..........d1 japan is on brink of death..pro imort drag racing is dead...we need a miracle for d1usa

[SHARKERIOcoupe]

I'm with Corbic - as I'm sure a lot of others, in terms of a confrence system.

That would be dope - different skills would represent different regions and reflect the styles there of. But only one will rise to the top...until the next time. With som many different events/series I think this can be done...there should be this one meeting of the round table or something.

That would be it.

no one beats STREET though IMO. bam

[Martins13]

im going to just have a massive rave ..and place drift event in the middle of it....one of the idea brought up..by a 37 year old

[FRpilot]

I'm with Corbic - as I'm sure a lot of others, in terms of a confrence system.

That would be dope - different skills would represent different regions and reflect the styles there of. But only one will rise to the top...until the next time. With som many different events/series I think this can be done...there should be this one meeting of the round table or something.


that sounds dope..

reminds me of how people say los angeles ballers play and have a different style than new york ballers.. east coast rap vs west coast rap.. dancing styles.. fighting styles .. vary from country to country or even north vs south.. etc

[rweezly_s13]

besides D1
grassroots is where it's at for the US

[illvialuver]

I thought, people just went to d1 for allthe free shit. Most people that go dont even drive a stick shift.

Anyway, I just want to have stuff to watch, and pro drifting to go to. I have friends to talk to and shit to look at when I am waiting for the next run.

I want to see them make them run two laps each time, from start to finish.

Either way, Im happy. Have not really missed d1. This past formula d had much more vendor and shit than I saw at the previous year.

And about all this v8 hate, if everyone eventually has one, then you will see, loud fast tones of smoke and then you will see the drivers who are better winning, you wont see the guy with the v8 raping all the four cylinders if everyone has a v8. Then it will just be skill.

Whatever, I almost smell a troll in here anyway.

[SHARKERIOcoupe]

that sounds dope..
reminds me of how people say los angeles ballers play and have a different style than new york ballers.. east coast rap vs west coast rap.. dancing styles.. fighting styles .. vary from country to country or even north vs south.. etc
exactly - that's what makes it tight rep your own style - not because it's better - beause they're all different.
The problem is everyone wants to be on top - doesn't want to see anybody else on top. THAT's WACK!! styles are just different pick your own. REP YOUR DRIFT :D
im going to just have a massive rave ..and place drift event in the middle of it....one of the idea brought up..by a 37 year old
that's my IDEA! shhhhhh!

[Martins13]

I thought, people just went to d1 for allthe free shit.

Whatever, I almost smell a troll in here anyway.

what does tht mean?

[illvialuver]

it means, that I dont think d1gp has a future in the united states. And having two major drift leagues would be like having two major league basket ball leagues, like nba and the other NBA.

And how is it confusing that people go for the free shit. You want more people to go, have tons of vendors and throw out a bunch of free shit. Like products, shirts, lanyards and all that shit that people would go crazy for. The last few d1 events here, and you could tell it was going down. They had only about an 8th of the vendors and booths as the first few times.

And as far as the troll business, we are all hearing that d1gp is pretty much through, because daijiro and Keiichi pulling out as well as some other major sponsors. So how do you think you will have a series to compete with Fd? Esp with d1gp on its deathbed, and without the founding members, and less sponsors? I don't care, because I know formula d will be here still.

[Corbic]

^a dedicated, die hard love for drifting idiot?

If you are that dedicated, $2000 for a used truck/suv + $65 a pop for a uhaul trailer rental.

[udon!]

Make 2 street legal classes maybe? one with alot of restrictions and one with not so many?

300hp class and 400hp class?

these are the d1sl rules, and like someone said, there slightly detuned d1gp cars.

I would suggest making more rules that allow people with beginner to intermediate setups compete and actually have a chance of winning.


prohibited in d1sl:


Sequential transmission (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequential_transmission) [disambiguation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Disambiguation/Fixing_links)].
Fuel cells (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_cell).
Carbon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_fiber)/beamless/FRP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibre-reinforced_plastic) door replacements, must be OEM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OEM) doors with side impact bars (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Side_impact_bar&action=edit&redlink=1) intact if possible.
Airjacks.
Tubbed fenders/one-off metal body components, must be one that is available to the public.
Custom/standalone relay/fuse switchboxes.
Acrylic glass (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acrylic_glass)/polycarbonate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycarbonate) window inserts and replacements, must be OEM glass.
complete dash replacement parts, must be stock.

Other restrictions in the category are that:


Spoilers must stay within the width of the vehicle.
Brakes must be stock dimensions; no swaps from other models of same make are allowed.
Vehicles must retain OEM parts (ac (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_conditioning)/navigation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_navigation_satellite_system)/heater)
A functioning car audio system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_car_entertainment) must be in place.
A 6 point roll cage with 4 point harness must be in place (same as that of D1GP).
Restriction of engine swaps from other model into other model, as S15 Silvia Spec-S to Spec-R specification (SR20DE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_SR_engine)→SR20DET) may be permitted but a RB26DETT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_RB_engine) into an HR32 Skyline GTS-t is not unless the model is a BNR32, nor even is converting an AE85 to AE86 is permitted. Engines from other manufacturer’s car (e.g. Darren McNamara (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darren_McNamara)’s SR20DET powered AE86) are not permitted as well. A bolt on turbocharger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbocharger) or supercharger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercharger) is permitted, the engine in the car can be determined by the VIN (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_Identification_Number) plate

[Corbic]

Even with a HP class system you will still see V8 dominating (just like in the SuperGT and former JGTC)

What's better a SR making 300hp at 7000RPM or a V8 making 800hp at 7,000rpm but with a restrictor plate so it now makes 300hp at 500rpm, 2000rpm, 5000rpm ect.

But as far as professional racing goes, the efforts by FD teams are more comparable to grassroots them NASCAR in terms of budgets and scope.

[SHARKERIOcoupe]

It's All about Adam's Drift when it hits irwindale - in terms of grassroots, and regional
you know what I mean?!

[ignited]

Shoot, I thought more.

Do you want to make D1 a cool series?

Make it so that it doesn't become this giant spending war like where Formula D is going.

Make it so that cars have to retain OEM Unibodies, loosen the cage rules a bit so people can keep their interior, judge based on how well the driver entertained the crowd, cap the displacement at no more than +1 litre from stock, etc.

That would be cool.

D1SL USA. The rule book does not allow engine swaps or any kind of chassis modification. Meaning no partial tube framing in the front and back of the vehicle. DO IT

[fckillerbee]

Make 2 street legal classes maybe? one with alot of restrictions and one with not so many?

300hp class and 400hp class?

these are the d1sl rules, and like someone said, there slightly detuned d1gp cars.

I would suggest making more rules that allow people with beginner to intermediate setups compete and actually have a chance of winning.


prohibited in d1sl:


Sequential transmission (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequential_transmission) [disambiguation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Disambiguation/Fixing_links)].
Fuel cells (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_cell).
Carbon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_fiber)/beamless/FRP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibre-reinforced_plastic) door replacements, must be OEM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OEM) doors with side impact bars (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Side_impact_bar&action=edit&redlink=1) intact if possible.
Airjacks.
Tubbed fenders/one-off metal body components, must be one that is available to the public.
Custom/standalone relay/fuse switchboxes.
Acrylic glass (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acrylic_glass)/polycarbonate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycarbonate) window inserts and replacements, must be OEM glass.
complete dash replacement parts, must be stock.
Other restrictions in the category are that:


Spoilers must stay within the width of the vehicle.
Brakes must be stock dimensions; no swaps from other models of same make are allowed.
Vehicles must retain OEM parts (ac (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_conditioning)/navigation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_navigation_satellite_system)/heater)
A functioning car audio system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_car_entertainment) must be in place.
A 6 point roll cage with 4 point harness must be in place (same as that of D1GP).
Restriction of engine swaps from other model into other model, as S15 Silvia Spec-S to Spec-R specification (SR20DE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_SR_engine)→SR20DET) may be permitted but a RB26DETT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_RB_engine) into an HR32 Skyline GTS-t is not unless the model is a BNR32, nor even is converting an AE85 to AE86 is permitted. Engines from other manufacturer’s car (e.g. Darren McNamara (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darren_McNamara)’s SR20DET powered AE86) are not permitted as well. A bolt on turbocharger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbocharger) or supercharger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercharger) is permitted, the engine in the car can be determined by the VIN (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_Identification_Number) plate


this is the only thing I don't agree with as I myself can build that in my front yard. This is a normal thing now in amature cars. Lets remember...even if it's grassroots, doesn't mean it has to be stock. electrical is just safer. tubs just mean you can run bigger wheels, and replacing glass with lexan is safe if people crash and don't want shattered glass everywhere.

[SHARKERIOcoupe]

this is the only thing I don't agree with as I myself can build that in my front yard. This is a normal thing now in amature cars. Lets remember...even if it's grassroots, doesn't mean it has to be stock. electrical is just safer. tubs just mean you can run bigger wheels, and replacing glass with lexan is safe if people crash and don't want shattered glass everywhere.

Isn't that the point of making the different classes? If you personally want to run those tubs - electrical - glass ect isn't it great to have that class you can run in. And still another class for "amateurs" who build their cars in their front yard...

there doesn't have to be just one.

[fckillerbee]

Isn't that the point of making the different classes? If you personally want to run those tubs - electrical - glass ect isn't it great to have that class you can run in. And still another class for "amateurs" who build their cars in their front yard...

there doesn't have to be just one.

I just don't see 32 drivers in each class ....we can barely get 40 drivers to show up in atlanta.

not saying it wouldn't be nice...i just think the demand isn't there yet.

I can see two classes working. amature and pro. but this isn't scca...we don't have the whole US being able to do this just yet. give it another 10 years when the sport has actually developed. FD isn't even 10 years old yet.

[90hatchie]

I just don't see 32 drivers in each class ....we can barely get 40 drivers to show up in atlanta.

not saying it wouldn't be nice...i just think the demand isn't there yet.

I can see two classes working. amature and pro. but this isn't scca...we don't have the whole US being able to do this just yet. give it another 10 years when the sport has actually developed. FD isn't even 10 years old yet.

what your not agreeing with is also the street legal class
would you drive a car on the street without a dash on the daily?

[SHARKERIOcoupe]

I just don't see 32 drivers in each class ....we can barely get 40 drivers to show up in atlanta.

not saying it wouldn't be nice...i just think the demand isn't there yet.

I can see two classes working. amature and pro. but this isn't scca...we don't have the whole US being able to do this just yet. give it another 10 years when the sport has actually developed. FD isn't even 10 years old yet.

I do see what youre saying, even if there were enough drivers in in class like such, the level of competion or skill might nog be so great. Unless the pro drivers or even the better ams wouldnt mind ditching the modded out cars and droppingdown a class. Might be fun and entertaining. I reaaly like what the auto barrel racing is doing, though its not really drifting so much, but "run what you brung". I have a pretgy good idea and when im ready to bust...well ill ldt actions speak

[fckillerbee]

what your not agreeing with is also the street legal class
would you drive a car on the street without a dash on the daily?

yes.....i would. just like my daily doesn't have a heater/ac/working speedo/ and is 1 inch from the ground...

:duh:

edit: and my gas gauge doesn't work ;D

[Martins13]

merry christmas for that i cant telll you guys anything for now lol =[

[tims05]

Few issues I see coming from this is that it wont happen.

Biggest thing is questions are being asked halfway thru the off-season. In few months tracks are gonna start opening (atleast around here in nj), people are gonna start getting out there but without things being set in stone and the advertising aspect end of it starting very soon. Its gonna be hard to draw that crowd in. Also drivers need to have some heads up if something like this is really gonna happen.

If something like this does happen soon. Alot of drivers are already baseing there cars off of FD rules and regs. If the D1 rules are going to be different and more relaxed then the FD rules. People need to know NOW.

Id honestly like to see D1 come back to the states and revive itself. The first one I went to was in '07 or '08 i think it was at etown and that one was pretty sweet but only found out about it last min. but it still drew in a huge crowd. Last yrs D1 here in NJ kind of really sucked! Yes it was sweet to see Steve Angerman take 3rd place against some of Japans top drivers but I think ECB was better and more planned out (that being a 2day event also).

I think planning/advertising for something like this should have started months ago. Its going to be ruff to bring it back in 2011 if talks are just starting now and with the D1 losing 3 of the biggest people in it.

Just my thoughts

[Corbic]

^ D1 is dead man. This is all just hypothetical thought.

[Martins13]

^ D1 is dead man. This is all just hypothetical thought.

not yet....not yet

[tims05]

Corbic as bad as that sounds im with ya on it. Sucks but its coming to a reality.

[Martins13]

our company has decided to withdraw itself from this project because its becoming " ridiculous"

[ericcastro]

lol
I dont doubt it.
Its in bed with HIN, lol

I turned down a full time marketing position with D1 after anahiem :)
Its unfortunate though, because they guys on the American side were working really long and hard hours to try and pull it off.

But, all the guys that wanted D1, are that same ones that came online and talked a lot of shit and sank their own ship, lol.
The negative reviews by people that didnt recognize how great the driving was killed it. :(

And because of the way its run, it wont come back. (and the fact its pretty much done in JPN too, lol)

[Martins13]

lol
I dont doubt it.
Its in bed with HIN, lol

I turned down a full time marketing position with D1 after anahiem :)
Its unfortunate though, because they guys on the American side were working really long and hard hours to try and pull it off.

But, all the guys that wanted D1, are that same ones that came online and talked a lot of shit and sank their own ship, lol.
The negative reviews by people that didnt recognize how great the driving was killed it. :(

And because of the way its run, it wont come back. (and the fact its pretty much done in JPN too, lol)

i sat in a room for seriously 3 days with a whiteboard with other people then..we get told..hey we are not working on this..oneguy said" the driving is just amazing but our people brought this league down"