Drifting!!??!

[AceInHole]

What's up with a sh!t load of people and their crazy infatuation with drifting??  (That and SR's).  It seems like every day there's more crap on how to drift, and the best suspension for drifting, and the best turbo for drifting, and this motor is better for drifting, and I want a drift style wing/ body kit.  I mean.... what the ####??
Beyond that, what's up with all the people saying they "drift" then asking where they can get an LSD, then claiming they drift with an open diff, and show picures which BLATANTLY show that they're only throttle steering at most?!?!?  
Someone should point out that drifting was born in the USA, and is therefore lame, since only Japanese crap is cool [we've all seen early stock car racing, outlaws, sprinters, etc...].  Seriously.....

[boosteds14]

i hear ya!!

[zephyr]

i bet half the people asking how to drift and all that jazz can't even steer through a 60degree turn over 30 without wetting themselves

[s15dude]

Its fricken Super Street and SCC and there JDM drifter "articles". Oh well. At least more people are respecting Nissans and 240's.

[DSC]

I think its just the videos get people pumped. I often keep a pic of someones wrecked 240 as my background, so whenever I finish watching a racing or drifting video I see that...keeps me safe.

I did the same thing tho when I got my 240, heard about drifting and saw videos and went out to try it...almost wrecked, ya know the usual "i have a jap rwd sports car I'm a crazy driftin mofo like the guy in inital-D" hehe now that I beg my car to GRIP, I'm past all that...


Oh, and although I doubt you were talking about me...that section was labeled &quot;power sliding&quot; <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[Grant]

wow, am I one of the only few that does &quot;grip&quot; driving in &nbsp;my car? lol &nbsp;I never drifted my car before, unless you drifting is referred to as breaking the rear end of your car loose? :confused:. oh well, yes it does get sickening after a while drift this, drift that.. arrghh.

[s15dude]

Hey DSC, were you looking for a blue S14 or did you just come upon it? If you were looking how long did it take you to find one? Cuz thats the color I want to get.

[Zemus]

Its all about Initial D, thats the main thing, it made me want to drift, but then after i thought about it, whats the point, unless you are driving on a mountain pass..

PERSONALLY I would rather do like Hardcore Street Racing on the Freeway like in &quot;Tokyo Street Race Extreme&quot; for PS2, thats a bad ass game

[whateverjames]

i've always wanted to say something about that but i didn't want people to take it the wrong way for complaining about the drift trend, because a lot of people have 'drift' in their screen name, and there's no need to offend them because they aren't always talking about it, but a lot of other people are. anyway, yeah, i don't see what the big obsession with drifting is really, it's one big ass trend. i understand over in japan, they don't have long roads to drive on, it's a well established sport, blahblahblah, but there is no point in trying to drift on public streets. i love drifting on gran turismo, but in real life? nah. most kids think because they &quot;kick out the back end for more than 2 seconds&quot;, they're all of a sudden a drifter, but then they say, &quot;I still have a lot to learn about the art of the drift culture&quot;. come on now. hehe. grant i feel the same way, while a lot of these folks are trying to drift, i'm trying make my car &quot;grip&quot; in any way it can.

[misnomer]

Hehe, drifting on a mountain road is a quick and easy way to get yourself killed, if you're into that sort of thing. I'm more of a grip driver myself. . .

[DuffMan]

I think drifting is rather... well, pointless.

Someone said something about Initial D being shown in the states. I bet we'll all have a bunch of 16 year old kids begging us to sell them our cars if they ever do.

[whateverjames]

i've never seen initial d to be honest. i've had people say my car looks like a car in initial d (i assume the body style?). are there any downloadable clips? i want to see what this whole other trend is <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

(Edited by whateverjames at 3:55 am on Feb. 16, 2002)

[Goodbar6]

I like the way some of the drift cars look. I like how they tend to have small understated spoilers and descent body kits....BUT, my car is made to grip and i like it. I am an avid autocrosser, and someday hope to setup a ITA race car, and build my own roll cage and the such.
I think drifting caught on because it is kinda a &quot;JDM&quot; thing, and that makes people go ooo ahhhh.
I duno botu aces comment on drifting being started in the states. I wouldent consider drifting only left while still trying to get the fastest time &quot;drifting&quot; (sprint cars).

Tyler

[Tuck&Poke]

yea drifting has no use except to show off. &nbsp;all it does is make you look &quot;cool&quot; and slow you down on a turn. &nbsp;whenever you break you tires loose on a race your going slower than i your tires are hooked up to the pavement. &nbsp;i have drifted and will probably do it to show off to the guy i just beat or to a friend but thats it.

[JDM S13]

The reason I would like to learn how to drift is because I want to be able to control my car in any situation. &nbsp;I don't think there is anything wrong with knowing how to drive your car in every possible way. &nbsp;If someone who only grip drives loses it on a ramp or such he/she might not be able to regain control as easily as someone who is a good drifter.

Forget about the &quot;trend&quot; crap. &nbsp;I say it's all about driving skill in general. &nbsp;I want to be one with the car, and I believe knowing how to drift is just as essential as knowing how to &quot;grip&quot; drive. &nbsp;And I don't mean drifting on side streets and killing someone. &nbsp;
No need to diss something that obviously involves A LOT of skill and practice. &nbsp;Just be smart about it. &nbsp;Grip driving can be crazy dangerous to <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[rubbersidedown]

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... since only Japanese crap is cool.....</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
right....

(Edited by rubbersidedown at 11:16 am on Feb. 16, 2002)

[transient]

Well, as far as drifting being slower than grip driving, it all depends on the corner. You can drift a 90 degree and come out of it MUCH faster than you could while gripping. Seriously, I don't know much about drifting, but just by ebraking through the 90 degree by my house, I can come out with an exit speed of around 25 miles per hour. How do you expect a toyota tercel to do that while grip driving?

Also, my major thing with drifting is that it takes a LOT of skill. Things like that really draw me in, cuz with everything I do, I want to be the best i possibly can at it.

I'm not going to practice drifting in my 240 anytime soon because I think I still have a LONG way to go with grip driving, but if I feel that i've hit a wall and can't go any faster, i'm going to learn to drift.

And on top of everything i've already said, It's fun to kick the back end out, it's a rush. There are a lot of reasons for wanting to get into drifting.

[my240likenoother]

thanks <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[burgy240]

It is a rush but to many people don't know drifting from sliding. &nbsp;I can slide(as most of us can) w/ anyone, but not drift. &nbsp;I just want that feeling of controlling something that is almost out of control. &nbsp;I fool around with it in my winter ride 88'330z, but grip drive in my 240. &nbsp;It's about driver ability for me I could care less if anyone ever sees me &quot;drift&quot; ......If I ever truelly learn how. &nbsp;

[S13Grl]

To those who know what they're doing, it's a sport and nothing to show off on. It's just as the rest of you guys say it is: kids showing off... wishing they were cool.

[s15dude]

Has anyone else noticed how the current trends in the &quot;import scene&quot; are going toward making &quot;JDM replicas&quot; and all things JDM. Also it seems like more and more people are ditching their big spoilers.

[sspikey]

ive drag raced. found it boring. get a good start and shift well and thats it. highway racing is car dependent and hella dangerous. but drifting is just a great feeling. its like a rollercoaster feeling but that you can control. all ive never drifted till now but have just kicked the back out. all the cars were automatic though. and all the turns were 90 degree corners. but just for those small things ive done. its a great feeling. i love it. its one of the only motorsports were its VERY dependent on the driver. but one thing that is getting annoying is how everyone says they drift without an lsd. drifting is taking MULTIPLE turns and nothing having grip at any time. powersliding is just sliding around a corner. in drifting you have to set up before.

[JDM S13]

so drifting is only done with an LSD? &nbsp;It's still good to practice powersliding to begin with isn't it?

[whateverjames]

i think it would better to learn the limits of what your car can do first, and take track lessons or participate in autocrossing first.

[drift freaq]

ok I will jump in here. Yes I have drifted yes it was high speed yes its on th edge and vary dangerous ,if you do not know what your doing and yes you can kill your can in an instant doing it.
On the other its addictiing as #### . Its the kinda thing that gives you such an adranaline rush you just have to go do it again and again. Call me a nut this started a long time ago for me with 510's and 240z's before the term was even coined.
Ace is right , it originated in the U.S. super modified racers have been doing it for over 40 years as well as all dirt oval racers . The only real difference is the fact that Japanese drivers started doing it on paved real roads and not dirt tracks. Now they do it on race tracks in Japan because it has become like a regular type of racing event over there.
its actually something I am getting back into because its just plain fun to me. Its prefferably done on a race track so your in a safe situation if you do lose it you just wind up off the track in the scrubs.
I also dig grip and going really fast . #### I just like driving my car in all possible ways again this goes back a long way with me.
Oh yeah track racing in the U.S. is so #### expensive that drifting just seems a little more appealing price wise . yes I guess I am crazy :biggrin:
I also think this one of the few times I have actually talked about drifting.

[AceInHole]

Seriously, drifting isn't bad.... I'm just getting annoyed with all the hype about it.
FOR THE RECORD (dammit): Technically, you can't carry a drift with an open diff. &nbsp;If you watch REAL drifting, you'd notice that the rear end isn't only sliding, it's pushing the car (ideally as accelerating the car as close to the center point of the turn as possible) through the turn. &nbsp;With an open diff, one tire WILL not have power, and just drag itself. &nbsp;If you DO think you're drifting with an open diff, it's most likely your diff is broken and you've got a solid rear end, or you're just dragging the rear through the turn, and attempting to control the rotation of the car with the throttle.

There I said it. &nbsp;Have a nice day.

Oh yeah, drift freaq: it wasn't ALWAYS dirt tracks.... early stock car racing was on pavement and the cars were set up so horribly that drifting just became a part of the job.

[Tuck&Poke]

its impossible to go through a corner faster drifting than it is grip driving. &nbsp;the physics of friction dont allow it. &nbsp;you can go into the turn faster but you come out slower. &nbsp;grip driving you have to slow down more but once you pass the apex you can accelerate out of it and have the car push you out. &nbsp;when tires slide they produce a #### of a lot of friction slowing your car down dramaticaly. &nbsp;it probably just feels faster which ive noticed whenever i drift. &nbsp;you feel like your going faster cause your nerves are on edge and your hypersensitive. if drifting was faster then dont you think most pro racers would do it. &nbsp;their main goal is not to break any tires loose. &nbsp;ive never in a race seen someone slide on purpose.

[crazycuban]

Drifting, and the whole JDM thing, is just people trying to be different...seems like people either want to fit in, or be different, and although JDM is the trend now, so it would really be fitting in, people think of it as something different...I guess cuz it's Japanese. &nbsp;Heh, I guess it's trendy now to be different....kinda ironic...to fit in, you can't fit in. &nbsp;Actually though, none of us are outside of that either though...we say &quot;wtf is up with drifters&quot;, but on the other hand most of us have said we like the 240SX because it's different. &nbsp;Whats up with that? &nbsp;I guess its just another way of expressing individuality.

[91CRXsiR]

when i 1st got my 240 i took a turn a lil too fast and my rear swung out .. i almost wet my pants.

the next day i went to a parking lot and started losing control on purpose (drift etc.. ) so when it happens agian .. ( it will happen it agian , rain) i will be able to control my car and not smash it into a wall or somethig.

[drift freaq]

ACE writes......
Oh yeah, drift freaq: it wasn't ALWAYS dirt tracks.... early stock car racing was on pavement and the cars were set up so horribly that drifting just became a part of the job.
______________________________________________

so true and a good point I forgot to mention. thank you Ace for stepping in and bringing it up.

[HippoSleek]

I actually saw a thread on this topic else where titled &quot;Drifting - is it the ultimate form or rice?&quot;

In a way it is - if you define rice as tacky show off w/o any real performance. &nbsp;It is slower. &nbsp;It is all a show (slower than gripping). &nbsp;And the more people that start doing it, the more it becomes tacky.

On the other hand, I can appreciate the artistry of it (like figure skating, syncronized swimming, and ballet dancing) (what can I saw, there aren't any masculine sports w/ artistic judging standards <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>). &nbsp;It takes skill, sure - but it is not capable of objective measurement/ grading (i.e., a stopwatch won't tell you if you are a good drifter).

The trend of it, however, makes me sick. &nbsp;Car control is great and learning to save a slide is a useful tool - both for the track and the streets. &nbsp;But there is a limit. &nbsp;Purposely throwing your car into repeated slides goes well beyond what is needed to be a good driver. &nbsp;Further, the &quot;drifts&quot; one experience on a track are waaaay different than the tail-out-jackassery of Option 2 videos.

crazy - trendy non-conformists... they've always been around (and always are annoying). &nbsp;I'd hope that people buy a 240 b/c they want a RWD sports car, but can only affort the 240... not b/c they want something different than a Civic.

[junia]

I don't think theres nothing wrong with drifting. Also whoever says that you have to go thru multiple turns without regaining traction for it to be called drifting is wriong. &nbsp;I don't know how the roads out here in the states are like, but back in Japan, you have a better chance of not getting into an accident if you are drifting than if you were grip driving in a touge somewhere on some mountain. &nbsp;Also, you don't need an LSD to drift, &nbsp;you just don't go as fast. &nbsp;People drift with a FF, 4WD, FR,stationwagons, vans, bicycles, its just something that you can do without building a car up like people have to If they want to drag race with any decent 1/4 mile times. &nbsp; Theres no such thing as a drift suspension setup or any other &quot;drift&quot; spec. &nbsp;stuff just caught on over the years(like the crazy negative). &nbsp;####, &nbsp;back in the day we used to take an old 4 door carina or a even the old prelude, and chop the springs and weld a water pipe for the exhaust and just go out and have fun. &nbsp;You buy the cheapest pos car that you can find so if you wrecked it you wouldn't cry over it. &nbsp;I don't know why people are making a big deal about drifting like its the best thing since sliced bread or something. &nbsp;Stuffs been around for ages, people have been doing it for over 20 years atleast. &nbsp;Somtimes drifitng can be overrated but its pretty cool when you're that one guy who can drift your ass off without e-braking or kicking the clutch, &nbsp;just to show off to your friends.....

[Tuck&Poke]

drifting in a bicycle...ok yea. &nbsp;can you also do a burnout on a bike? &nbsp;id like to see that. &nbsp;your not talking about drifting. &nbsp;people confuse drifting and loosing control and praying your gonna stay on the road alot. &nbsp;drifting is using a combination of throttle and steering to follow a line while loosing traction on the tires. &nbsp;loosing control your just kinda...pray and counter steer. &nbsp;all you need to drift is a car with some power going to the rear wheels to break em loose. &nbsp;your not really driftin with ff. &nbsp;again loosing control and praying. &nbsp;

[rampid360]

Junia...please explain further on the following:
i'm sorry...i just dont see how you can claim that going through public streets at a high rate of speed is safer if you have no traction. &nbsp; I always thought that slowing for a turn and following through it with all four tires grabbing the ground &nbsp;(thus still having the ability to stop suddenly) &nbsp; was much safer. &nbsp; &nbsp;If you have to &quot;drift&quot; to make it around your turns...my advice is to slow down. &nbsp; Stop fuckin street racing/showing off to your friends/gaining that false sense of manliness. &nbsp; Save it for the track..then it's your business how you drive, not the kid who your rear end is sliding over.
Second. How is drifting accomplished with a front wheel drive car??!! &nbsp; (i dont drift...i dont claim to...probably never will...so forgive my ignorance on the topic)

[AceInHole]

Drifting is nice because it shows that you can control the car beyond its limits. &nbsp;The problem is... most people don't understand what drifting really is, and get all souped up and swing the tail around thinking they're drifting when they aren't. &nbsp;I'm starting to come to some realization that it's that, not drifting itself, that's beginning to tick me off.

Oh yeah.... they do drift motorcycles.... I forgot the actual event name but the front wheels are large and skinny..... and on second thought... ice racing with motorcycles has drifting in it also.

DRIFTING: &nbsp;The USDM sport that everyone forgot.... untill it became JDM.

[ca18guy]

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Oh yeah.... they do drift motorcycles.... I forgot the actual event name but the front wheels are large and skinny..... </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

HAHAHA I was watching that on TV yesterday it has alittle following here in europe, it looked goofy as ####.

[Tuck&Poke]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from AceInHole on 8:28 pm on Feb. 17, 2002
Oh yeah.... they do drift motorcycles.... I forgot the actual event name but the front wheels are large and skinny..... and on second thought... ice racing with motorcycles has drifting in it also.

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i meant the bicycle

[AceInHole]

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i meant the bicycle</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Well, if my Huffy had an LSD I could drift it, but being a Huffy, it doesn't.

[Chokets]

quoting the drifting king, &quot;drifting isn't the fastest way around a corner, but it sure is the funnest&quot;. nothing is more boring than watching drag racing, hey, let me tune my car so I can drive a 1/4 mile in a straight line and then brag about my 12 sec run... any loser can drive in a straight line, what's the point of having a steering wheel? I enjoy drifting, for fun, who cares if I can't beat you in a drag race I'm having alot more fun. It's true, there are alot of people easily influenced by cartoons, and they try drifting, but they get over it, and move on to their next fad... and 20 years from now I'll still be drifting, having a good time taking corners when ya'll are asking your wives if it's ok to take the minivan to work. keep driving in straight lines, try not to fall asleep...

[Chokets]

i meant the bicycle


I regularly go to toys R us and play on the bikes and scooters there, I've never drifted a bike only these three wheel scooters, BUT! there was this little girl watching me and my friend having fun on the scooters, she hopped on a bike with traning wheels and was drifting like you wouldn't believe... SO, YOU CAN DRIFT ON A BIKE, if it's got training wheels! the 8 year old girl was a natural, power sliding around corners... she's got potenitial... may the force be with her

ps. I am a grown man that regularly goes to toys R us and plays with the toys there, there is no shame in it.

[AceInHole]

I'm now officially afraid. &nbsp;LoL

Anyways, who ever said anything about drag racing (specifically when quoting)
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Also, you know what?? &nbsp;America's #1 racing form, NASCAR, basically came from a bunch of guys drifting around an oval track (stock cars in the early muscle car era). &nbsp;It's not really so much of a fad or a trend... just something neglected untill taken up by another culture i guess.

[DSC]

I think the fad is more young adults with sports cars drifting public streets and thinking they are hot shit...not the actual track racing. I dono if anybody ever did it in their gto on public roads back in the day...

[AceInHole]

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I think the fad is more young adults with sports cars drifting public streets and thinking they are hot shit...not the actual track racing. I dono if anybody ever did it in their gto on public roads back in the day...</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
My best friend's mom knows how to drift..... lets put it that way.

[junia]

The reason I say that drifting is safer than grip racing is because when your grip racing, your taking a corner as fast as you can without losing control, but if you're overspeeding you going to understeer straight off of a cliff. When you're drifting, yeah you can understeer too but most of the time people kick out the rear too much and spin out. I would rather spin out in the direction of the turn and stop than understeer straight through a guard rail off of some cliff. And yes you can drift bycycles. We used to do it in Japan when we were small. If you have friends in Japan, just ask them about it they'lle probably tell you that they used to do it or know about it . Thats what we called it or &quot;charidori&quot; charinko(bicycle)+dorifuto. People drift ff cars over here. They were good enough to enter ikaten on option. You can find people in Japan drifitng K-cars and most of them are ff's. Now that I'm in the states I can probably afford to go to the track with my friends(10 bucks for the oval track). Back in Japan, you'd have to show up to the track with a whole lot of people just to cut the cost of the fees for track usage and it'd still be about 100bucks a person. And most of time the places that we go to drift are some remote mountains out in the middle of nowwhere and the only people there are there too either drift or watch drifting. Yeah I know that its still a public road and there is still a risk but its not like were not going around drifting in rush hour traffic or like I've read in other places about people drifting around the off ramp coming off of some interstate, now thats crazy. Who says you have to have a LSD to drift(you just won't go as fast coming out of it) You think a KP61 starlet had a lsd stock from the factory, or even a AA63 carina(maybe the ta63 did). Thats what we used to drift before the silvias and the skyline became affordable. Most of us used to drift stock cars with some of those spring compressors that you can install to drop you car especially with the GOJ regulation being so strict back then. &nbsp;Why are people coming up with rules about what is drifting and whats not. &nbsp;How do you think you're going to learn if you don't mess up sometime. &nbsp;Maybe kicking the tail out coming out of a turn is not drifting to you but thats because you're good at it, to the other guy thats just starting out thats never lost any traction before he think he's the drift king but after time and practice he'll learn that all he is doing is kicking the tail out.

[Chokets]

Junia, nice.

to others:
why do so many people on this forum think they are so smart, just chillout, calm down and accept other peoples free will. it's not of your business if people want to drift, are you jealous or something? i give up on this forum so many times, then pop back to check if there are any good post, and every time I get sickend &nbsp;but foolishness. Stop complaining, your not helping yourself by doing it, you just sound like a little cry baby

[HippoSleek]

I'm glad the REAL drifters spoke up. &nbsp;

Chokets - why don't you stay off the forum? &nbsp;There are several drift forums out there... join! &nbsp;You don't seem to agree w/ anyone and only share the common interests of a few random 12 year old boy who read stupid street and then log in to share what they read. &nbsp;Note that this is a bit of an opinion question - as such people give their opinions. &nbsp;Feel threatened? &nbsp;Maybe YOU should learn to accept opinions and stop worrying about the rest. &nbsp;I think most of us accept that there are some people who drift and enjoy it and some who think its a fad filled with low IQ noveau riceboys. &nbsp;You know, when I was 14, I thought I would be skateboarding until I was an old man... I didn't. &nbsp;Maybe in 20 years, when you're 35 you will still be drifting... and maybe we'll be driving around in minivans... maybe?

junia - your command of chassis codes is wonderful, but your understanding of driving is severely flawed. &nbsp;First off, grip racing is not performed on mountains with cliffs - it is performed on race tracks with runoff room, sand traps, and tire barriers. &nbsp;Street racing is stupid - doing so on mountain roads only enhances the validity of Darwin's natural selection. &nbsp;Nonetheless, I think that you underestimate the skill of a true racer. &nbsp;A racer knows the limits of his ability, his car, and his surroundings. &nbsp;Even a novice like myself can correct understeer before I'd go off a cliff. &nbsp;Similarly, I think a decent drifter would have the common sense to loop the car into a cliff face, rather than snap spin over a precipice. &nbsp;As for FF drifting - if ass dragging gets you off, knock yourself out.

[junia]

I'm not too fond of &nbsp;ff drifting(I don't have enough hands to do everything at the same time). &nbsp;I'm just saying what goes on out there. &nbsp;I'm just wondering what makes drifting a big deal. &nbsp;I mean, its not like someone just invented it yesterday.

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from junia on 8:24 am on Feb. 18, 2002
Why are people coming up with rules about what is drifting and whats not. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> &nbsp;Not really rules, just what people have been doing throughout the age of motorsport compared to a bunch of people still learning how to drive abusing a term that used to have so much respect associated with it.

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How do you think you're going to learn if you don't mess up sometime. Maybe kicking the tail out coming out of a turn is not drifting to you but thats because you're good at it, to the other guy thats just starting out thats never lost any traction before he think he's the drift king but after time and practice he'll learn that all he is doing is kicking the tail out.
</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> &nbsp;If you think drifting is safer than grip driving... why don't you drift around a city. &nbsp;Most people grip driving will start off slow and build up to some point where they're nearing the limit. &nbsp;Very few actually get to that limit, and although a bunch go over it, it's easier to control in comparison to drifting. &nbsp;Drifting is controlling the car at or beyond its limit. &nbsp;You aren't approaching the limit of the car, you've already gone beyond it, and are controlling (not containing, which is what so many people sound like they're only attempting to do) the car then. &nbsp;HippoSleek brings up a good point... most people starting out wanting to drift freak out and snap spin the other direction and spin off to the outside of the corner.


The big deal is that a bunch of people are ruining drifting as a driving skill, if they haven't already. &nbsp;

[Chokets]

HippoSleek:
you love it, just go back to russia Mr.(Ms.?) Know it all. this whole post was started out of jealousy.

ps. sucks that you gave up on skateboarding, quitter.

[Chokets]

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What's up with a sh!t load of people and their crazy infatuation with drifting?? (That and SR's). It seems like every day there's more crap on how to drift, and the best suspension for drifting, and the best turbo for drifting, and this motor is better for drifting, and I want a drift style wing/ body kit. I mean.... what the ####??
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i mean, read that, it's pure jealousy, let people do what they want to do and get over your ego and envy. How could you really be against drifting so much that you have to use foul language to make a point? What if I said &quot;what's the deal with people and tuning there cars so that they can drive it the way they want to, I mean what's the deal with that???&quot; because that's basically what is being said, people wanna tune to drift, and? let them, stop crying, stop with the green eyes and go back to russia.

[crazycuban]

First off...go back to Russia? &nbsp;What the #### is that?

And Jealousy? &nbsp;How the #### do you know he's jealous? &nbsp;And the fact that he uses foul language means that he's passionately against drifting? &nbsp;I agree with your philosophy of letting people do what they want. &nbsp;So let whoever wants to trash drifting as much as they want without wetting your pants about it. &nbsp;After all, it's not like they're stopping you from drifting.

[Tuck&Poke]

i just dont like peole who claim they can drift and brag about it and all theyre doin is loosing control and or hitting the e brake to make the rear end swing out. &nbsp;and then they say &quot;next time it rains ill show you how i drift&quot; &nbsp;well no buddy your just sliddin all over the place.

[AceInHole]

First off, i'm not against drifting, it's more of the anomosity towards the sudden surge of idiots. &nbsp;If you were some sort of a die hard drifting fan, you'd probably agree with the first post in this thread. &nbsp;

Second, who brought up Russia?? &nbsp;Does Chokets &nbsp;have some sort of prejudice about Russians or something??

&lt;extreme_sarcasm&gt;
Finally, is there a Japanese person here who agrees with me that the skill of drifting is being abused and disrespected?? &nbsp;I mean... obviously if it's JDM (the statement) it must be right (since I'm guessing the generic asian doesn't count])&lt;/extreme_sarcasm&gt;

[student]

I agree with ace and i just like driving my car.

[Jeff240sx]

I will separate this guy's novel into 6 chunks of useful babble, and reply to that babble in English, that I hope people can understand.
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but if you're 1)overspeeding
2)and tend to understeer straight off of a cliff. When you're drifting, yeah you can understeer too
(I really like this saying) through a guard rail off of some cliff.
3)Now that I'm in the states I can probably afford to go to the track with my friends(10 bucks for the oval track). Back in Japan...it'd be about 100bucks a person.
4)Yeah I know that its still a public road and there is still a risk
5)Who says you have to have a LSD to drift
6)Why are people coming up with rules about what is drifting and whats not.
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1)Mental Notes- Add &quot;Overspeeding&quot; to dictionary
2)FR cars, when taking a corner too fast, will in fact spin towards the turn... and FF cars will snowplow &quot;thru the gaurdrail and off the cliff.&quot; Drifting cars, you have said yourself, can understeer, so it makes them &quot;thru the gaurdrail, and off the cliff&quot; and parking next to the FF car down there. And another bad thing that can happen. If your back tires get grip... you will go the way your front tires are pointing... away from the turn, and &quot;thru the gaurd rail and over the cliff&quot;
Now.. what have we learned? FR cars... spinout towards curve. FF cars, snowplow and die in one way... drifters, 2 ways to die. I trust my grip driving and living...
3) 100 US dollars? or 100 yen? cuz 100 dollars is 14k yen each...
4) Then stop drifting on public roads since you know its dangerous, #######.
5) some schmuck... dont base your argument on that...
6) Nobody is making rules... you are mistaking that for them calling you an IDIOT.
I hope that we have settled this debate...

[Chokudori]

If all you care about is grip, why not go get yourself an awd car. They tend to make better lap times than an FR car. (ofcourse, this changes at the GT racing level, but how many of you guys here actually have FR cars pumping out over 500hp racing around a track). Heck, why not just go get the type-R since they have better lap times then the S14s.

The whole point about FR cars/240SX is that it is fun to drive. Why is it fun to drive? because we are able to &quot;drift&quot; through the turns rather than gripping all the way through. Some of you guys also seems to have your own definition for &quot;drifting&quot; but there are many forms of drifting.

For people who have such negative comments about drifting, I'd say that you have never seen a car drift in person, and that you have never tried it yourself. If you have done either one of the two, I'm sure that you won't think it's just a trend.

[DSC]

&quot;The whole point about FR cars/240SX is that it is fun to drive.&quot; Very true. &quot;Why is it fun to drive? because we are able to &quot;drift&quot; through the turns rather than gripping all the way through.&quot; Very untrue. FR cars have a totally different feel than FF cars, even for grip driving. And when compareing lap times, you have to consider driver skill and the fact that the type-r has gobs more HP, really only comparable to silvias...not 240's even though they are in the same class.

I think drifting is pretty awsome, nothing better than rally on asphalt <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> but there seems to be a trend of n00b's trying to do it just because its cool...I think that's all anybody was trying to say.

[sspikey]

only thing i can compare it to is a rollercoster in which you have control over. ive never really done any serious drifting yet. show anyone a drift video or anything related to drift and their jaws will drop. now imagine being able to control that yourself. awesome feeling.

[AceInHole]

man, say one thing about drifting and some people get wedgies over it (the basic definition of &quot;getting your panties in a knot&quot; so to say). &nbsp;It's pretty funny that the people with the open minds have calmer responses...
It's also pretty ironic that this supposedly Japanese trend is such a big deal, while it's been going on in organized motorsport elsewhere for decades. &nbsp;

For the record: Yes, I know how to drift. &nbsp;I've drifted before, and I'll probably drift in the future. &nbsp;Ask the people who've ridden with me and they'll tell you I'm pretty #### good at it too.

Chokudori: I already have an AWD car, but that doesn't mean it corners or handles better than my 240sx. &nbsp;Other things such as weight for one also play a factor in it. &nbsp;As far as lateral grip goes, having AWD doesn't necessarily mean your tires will grip any more than they would on an FR car. &nbsp;Really it all depends on if you know how to balance your car to maximize grip through a turn.

[Chokudori]

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Very untrue. FR cars have a totally different feel than FF cars, even for grip driving. And when compareing lap times, you have to consider driver skill and the fact that the type-r has gobs more HP, really only comparable to silvias...not 240's even though they are in the same class.
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Actually, Type-Rs are quite fast even compared to the S14 Silvias. Which was quite a shame back then when the K's came with turbo and all... (ofcourse, the Silvia is alot more tuneable... but that's another story)
I also do agree that FR grip and FF grip is quite different.



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I think drifting is pretty awsome, nothing better than rally on asphalt <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> but there seems to be a trend of n00b's trying to do it just because its cool...I think that's all anybody was trying to say.
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Yeah, I think this was how the topic was started, but there seemed to be some that thought that drifting was just plain dumb. I don't quite agree with that.

I guess what I really wanted to say was that there's no need to hate on kids that tries to be a drifter. If they're good at it, then they deserve the respect. If they are not, then at least they will know to appreciate a good drift when they see one. (and I am sure that they know how to appreciate a good grip) <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[AceInHole]

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[I guess what I really wanted to say was that there's no need to hate on kids that tries to be a drifter. If they're good at it, then they deserve the respect. If they are not, then at least they will know to appreciate a good drift when they see one. (and I am sure that they know how to appreciate a good grip) <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
The problem isn't the kid that tries to be a drifter... it's more of the way they go about it. &nbsp;Some of the crap that gets asked just doesn't make any sense whatsoever, and some of the stories are killing the essence of drifting, which ultimately should be car control at the very limit. &nbsp;
Anyways, I'm prolly just still on edge. &nbsp;Ah well. &nbsp;

[Tuck&Poke]

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If all you care about is grip, why not go get yourself an awd car. They tend to make better lap times than an FR car. (ofcourse, this changes at the GT racing level, but how many of you guys here actually have FR cars pumping out over 500hp racing around a track). Heck, why not just go get the type-R since they have better lap times then the S14s.

The whole point about FR cars/240SX is that it is fun to drive. Why is it fun to drive? because we are able to &quot;drift&quot; through the turns rather than gripping all the way through. Some of you guys also seems to have your own definition for &quot;drifting&quot; but there are many forms of drifting.

For people who have such negative comments about drifting, I'd say that you have never seen a car drift in person, and that you have never tried it yourself. If you have done either one of the two, I'm sure that you won't think it's just a trend.
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the reason they dont use awd in gt cars is because its against the rules. &nbsp;no matter how much hp you have your always going to have better control in a awd car. &nbsp;the reason its against the rules is because the cars with awd would have huge advantage over the fr cars and for companies to develope an awd system from scratch is very expensive.
second. &nbsp;the reason ITR posts faster lap times is because of more power (at least with the ka) so you cannot compare the two. &nbsp;also the itr is bread as a track car not like the silvia wich is more of a street car. &nbsp;the sivlia has much softer suspension than the itr

[HippoSleek]

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">the reason they dont use awd in gt cars is because its against the rules. no matter how much hp you have your always going to have better control in a awd car. the reason its against the rules is because the cars with awd would have huge advantage over the fr cars and for companies to develope an awd system from scratch is very expensive.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Which is why the fastest, most competitive circuit racing in the world is not in RWD cars. &nbsp;Also why most all exotic car manufacturers, who charge more for their cars than most will spend for a house, have exclusively RWD chasses. &nbsp;

Honestly, I don't mean to offend, but this topic has turned into a bit of an assinine attempt to defend what should be considered a form of moving art. &nbsp;Discussing the ability of the ITR vs the 240sx is beyond the purview of this thread... I think we did that last week. &nbsp;Obviously all platforms have their merits (and demerits), but the bottom line is that if you look at most forms of racing, RWD dominates. &nbsp;Period. &nbsp;Go to an IT race or a GT race (in the US) and tell me all about the AWD cars? &nbsp;They suck on a track. &nbsp;Good traction out of the hole, but they will get eaten alive in the straights and even many transitions. &nbsp;Why? &nbsp;HUGE parasitic drivetrain loss, numb steering, and LOTS of weight.

More to the point, however, is that there is a finesse to driving FWD or RWD cars (although AWD is generally just a mash on the pedal and see what happens affair). &nbsp;Some prefer controlled power on oversteer some don't. &nbsp;Some would rather trade nimble for revs for grippy torque. &nbsp;It IS about fun - but it is not limited to a particular layout.

I think drifting is fine, but I am a track lover first. &nbsp;What bothers me is the legions of wannabe drifters (to me, nothing but a sTuNNa w/ a RWD car) that don't respect the control that one should have before they go out and pull their tricks (I hate street racers for the same reasons). &nbsp;Beyond that, I hate people that feel the need to claim that drifters are THE best drivers b/c of car control or the fastest on the track b/c Colin MacRae does it in rally. &nbsp;To each their own, but when people get on this drifting high horse, it just gets on my nerves (I guess more than a few of us agree?).

[Chokets]

i'm out... just wanna say, let's all just show each other a little love, whether we like drifting or not don't really matter, we're all here cuz we like 240s, we're all brothers here (plus that one girl, she's a sister)