Would it be hard to remove the turbo kit...

[Takumi]

California sucks. I can't move because I'm too poor. I love the weather and everything, but the #### smog laws. Anyway, would it be THAT much of a pain in the ass unbolt a turbo kit and return the engine to stock or close to stock as possible to pass visuals and the sniffer. Or is it easier to drop in an SR and remove it for the stock KA every two or so years to smog?

Let say, I would get an SR, I'd probably just keep the stock side-mounted intercooler and do no more than an intake, downpipe, and ECU anyway. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[Tuck&Poke]

i dont live in cali but im quessing its a hefty fine if you do have illegal shit in your car. &nbsp;id do it even though its a pain in the ass but its better than a fine and what ever kind of punishment they give you

[AceInHole]

why do people always list &quot;intake&quot; with turbo applications??? What kind of an &quot;intake&quot; are you going to use and benefit from with a turbocharger aside from the piping you'd actually NEED to get the setup running and hold boost??

anyways, to return the KA to stock, it'd be remove the manifold, turbo, and downpipe, plug the oil lines, replace the header (which should bolt right back in really) and replace at least enough IC piping to put the stock intake back in, all the hoses connected to it. That's it. The turbo fuel system should work under stock conditions, it'd just be the same except it won't see a boost condition and add more fuel.

Easier to drop in an SR and remove it?? Let's see... you'll be removing the entire frickin engine for one thing, which requires draining coolant (and possibly the A/C freeon??) and the actual removing of the tranny and engine itself and storing it, plus storing a KA engine and tranny and ECU and harness and header, and keeping that KA in good enough condition to pass inspection...

(Edited by AceInHole at 6:55 pm on Jan. 26, 2002)

[Takumi]

Alright, alright, I guess I'm having one of those, &quot;I'm gonna ask some retard questions&quot; days. When I said &quot;intake&quot;, I actually meant &quot;aftermarket cone-style air filter&quot;. *sigh* Forget I asked about the SR, that was retarded. Anyway, thanks for answering my retarded question and the answer was obvious anyway. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

I was just curious as to what kind of crap I have to remove and what I can keep in there from the kit when I wanna return it back to stock or at least close enough that it doesn't effect emissions too badly.

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Takumi on 7<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>9 pm on Jan. 26, 2002Alright, alright, I guess I'm having one of those, &quot;I'm gonna ask some retard questions&quot; days. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
LoL... no prob. that's how we learn.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">When I said &quot;intake&quot;, I actually meant &quot;aftermarket cone-style air filter&quot;. *sigh* </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> well... I'm not quite sure if you can really get away with using the stock air-filter box... and I'd have to ask why?? &nbsp;Anyways, a filter is just a filter. &nbsp;In all reality I think you can get the same amount of airflow removing the lower half of the airbox compared to some cone filters.... and a cone filter doesn't seem like much of a mod in any case.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I was just curious as to what kind of crap I have to remove and what I can keep in there from the kit when I wanna return it back to stock or at least close enough that it doesn't effect emissions too badly.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Really it's just removing the turbo and returning the car to a state where it will run N/A. &nbsp;Unless you have injectors larger than 550cc (although that's generally where you'd be on a moderately boosted KA) I don't think you'd have any low end fuel delivery problems (large injectors seem to have problems injecting smaller amounts of fuel). &nbsp;Depending on the manifold, you might even be able to remove the turbine, manifold, and downpipe in one peice, and bolt the header back in fairly easily. &nbsp;
I don't think there are CARB restrictions on intakes, correct?? So really it might be possible (especially with a blow through MAF setup) to leave the intercooler on and just stick the filter on the pipe going from the compressor outlet to the intercooler....

[duderiffic]

Takumi,
&nbsp; &nbsp; I got the best idea in the world!! Take your car.... and remove yourself from California!! &nbsp;Move up here to Oregon. &nbsp;No one cares about that kinda stuff here...

Jeff

[Takumi]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from duderiffic on 6:30 pm on Jan. 26, 2002
Takumi,
I got the best idea in the world!! Take your car.... and remove yourself from California!! Move up here to Oregon. No one cares about that kinda stuff here...

Jeff</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

I don't know if you're trying to be funny or something, but I just said in the first post I'm too poor to move outside of California and I don't intend to since everything here is cool, except for the smog bullshit. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[ka24et]

You need to find a good smog shop. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

Swapping engines to pass smog, (I personally) never heard anyone doing that.

Swapping some parts to pass smog, some people have succeeded.

(Edited by ka24et at 8:24 pm on Jan. 26, 2002)

[duderiffic]

Hehehe Takumi shot me down again. &nbsp;I was just fucking with you man. &nbsp;If you don't want people to joke around with you just say so. &nbsp;Hah

J

[Takumi]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from duderiffic on 7:45 pm on Jan. 26, 2002
Hehehe Takumi shot me down again. I was just fucking with you man. If you don't want people to joke around with you just say so. Hah

J</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

I know you didn't mean much about it. &nbsp;Sorry about that bro. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[drift freaq]

Takumi, there are ways to make your car pass smog with the Turbo in place as far as tailpipe is concerned. As far as visual goes there smog mechanics here in Cali that will overlook the visual part &nbsp;of the inspection if your car passes tailpipe . I have said this a million times a lot of them are more concerned with tailpipe emissions than whats under the hood. You just have to ask around to find one . I know I found one right next to my apartment building here in Los Angeles in Los Feliz :biggrin:
Anyways be grateful we have those smog laws . The air in California is a #### of a lot cleaner today than it was back in the 70's and 80's and I can attest to that(showing my age here)

[Takumi]

That's true, it was bad enough when I was rollin' through LA in the highway the last time I was in So Cal my friend had to point out that the supposed &quot;fog&quot; I saw was actually a cloud of smog. o_O

[rancid240]

get the hookups on smog. &nbsp;then your set 4 life.

[Lancer]

i have friends with the same worries at u but we found some emissions shop that only check for the catalyic converter if its still there and working. gotta find them lazy emissions shops to pass.

[Jeff240sx]

Well... it doesn't seem to hard to remove a turbo and replace the header. &nbsp;Really you'd just need to take off the header and leave the turbo on it. &nbsp;Then plug the lines at the turbo connection, and not at the oil pan.
Then the oddities. &nbsp;
An adjustable fuel pressure regulator should help you overcome the oversized injectors... I would imagine.... and then my pure guess...
I would imagine since you can have a turbo intercooler piping custom made, couldn't you have a U-turn bend where the turbo was, and go out the bumper, created?
I mean, your intake would suck, but you'd just have to drive to the shop and back, then take off the custom u-pipe and put the header / turbo back on.
Just some thoughts.. I think dumb ideas that might work are better than no turbo.
-Jeff

Turbo's for ALL!!

[Grant]

What about those Smog Check Only stations? and also, if they overlook teh visual part, and if i have a good catalytic converter, doesnt that mean i can pass smog with an SR?

could and SR possibly pass emissions or does it pollute THAT much?

[thewholefnshow]

I know. How fucking much smog can a 2 liter turbo make. Especially when it runs such low boost. The 4g63 in the eclipce turbo runs 14 psi STOCK. how in the name of christ is the stupid SR SOOOOOO much different? What is the difference?

[Zemus]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from thewholefnshow on 7:12 am on Feb. 20, 2002
I know. How fucking much smog can a 2 liter turbo make. Especially when it runs such low boost. The 4g63 in the eclipce turbo runs 14 psi STOCK. how in the name of christ is the stupid SR SOOOOOO much different? What is the difference?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

I know, seriusly, think of a big v8 , stock, that has to put out atleast 5 times more than a lil 2lt, its freaking bull shit

[thewholefnshow]

Isn't there a way to just turn the turbo off? I don't want to sound stupid, whish I inevitably will, but I swear I have heard about a turbo being turned off... (and no I don't mean setting the pressure down to like 3 psi or something) but that could help pass no? And I have heard of a guy sticking a sock in his exhaust after the cat so that it just couldn't get that much crap out the back end no matter what... a rag would work to right? But back to the point, can't you turn the turbo off entirely, I don't mena a button press or something retarded, but something you can disconnect.

[turbomaster]

I have another solution for you MOVE TO FLORIDA MAN!!! nice weather, they don't fuck with you that much with the stuff you have on your car and bro some of the police cars in here will &nbsp;race you, they crazy like that man.

(Edited by turbomaster at 10:15 am on Feb. 20, 2002)

[DuffMan]

The SR doesn't pollute anymore than the FWD SR20DE cars do. It's all the visual inspection that screws you. The phrase &quot;the SR will not pass smog&quot; is somewhat misleading.

And I think smog emissions have been reduced but not by CARB and and any of the visual inspection crap has helped. The truth is that cars today pollute exponentially less than they did in the 60s and early 70s. The difference is massive.

Here's an interesting fact, the Ford Expedition has qualified for Ultra Low Emissions Vehicle status. :cheesy:

[thewholefnshow]

Yah, the thing is that it is all relative. I know that here in order to pass smog or whatever, you have to create a pollution index of x. x has to be within a certain percentage of what nissan dubbed &quot;stock&quot; for the ka... that is how it works here. You could have 6 engines under the hood and it would be legal as long as it is within the right percentage of 'x'

And the ford does that because it comes within a certain percentage of whatever the governemt dubbed 'x' to be for a battle tank, that's all. IT can still make 500% of what 'x' is on the 240sx.... now that you have all had enough of my little 'x' analogy, I will recede back into ambiguity.

[boosteds14]

well that get things straight, turbo boost will not kick in unless you romp on the gas and generate no vaccum. i passed emissions with 72lb. injectors and i didnt touch anything, except for the exhaust. i failed the first time but the second time i took my stock exhaust system and cut it up, added the cats back on the car along with one more universal cat and then it passed. when they run the car on the machine, they only get up to 25mph and they get there very slowly so the engine is in vaccum mode at all times.