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brage
08-03-2003, 10:51 AM
The following is referring to a 1996 KA24DE in a 1995 S14 240SX.

Just looking to get some quick opinions on the most likely cause of a power loss above 4000 RPMS...

Here are the symptoms:
When under load the car will accelerate normally to about 4,000 rpm, after 4000RPM the car just seems unresponsive if I go WOT it almost feels like it is hitting the rev limiter. Also, starting at 4,000 RPM the engine starts to get very loud and sounds "cammy". This sound is only heard under load. When the engine is revved in neutral it sounds normal.


The fuel injectors are from my old motor which had approximately 106,000 miles on it. Everything else came with this engine and has ~60,000 miles on it.

The problems came up after I tested the compression and installed new spark plugs. The compressesion checked out at ~195psi on all 4 cylinders. The timing is set at 17 degrees BTDC.

After I started experiencing this problem, I thought I would try checking the compression again and switching back to the originial plugs (I had switched from OEM to Bosch platinum +4s).

The compression once again checked out at 195psi on all four cylinders. After the orginal spark plugs were installed, the problem did not dissapate.


Looking for some insight, information on where I should start debugging this problem, perhaps whether I should bring it to a mechanic, although I haven't found a mechanic around here i trust. I was just about to install the F-Max stage II turbo kit on this car and I need to get this resolved first.

I have new injectors, MAF, ECU that will be going into the car along with a new walbro 255lph HP fuel pump w/ S14 compatible sock. The turbo kit is sitting in my garage awaiting the resolution of this problem :(

rps13kid
08-03-2003, 10:54 AM
vaccume hoses? or mafs the same thing happend to me and it was just a vaccume hose

brage
08-03-2003, 11:07 AM
only other thing that changed was I filled up with 87 octane, when I have always used 91... Also I followed the FSM procedures for compression testing, including the fuel presure release method as well as disconnecting the distributor harnesses. (perhaps I am getting bad contact there?)

-jeff

brage
08-03-2003, 11:16 AM
Originally posted by rps13kid
vaccume hoses? or mafs the same thing happend to me and it was just a vaccume hose

which vacuum hose?

-jeff

Maeda
08-03-2003, 12:15 PM
Don't fill up with 87 octane! The ecu will 'detune' and your car will run retarded on you, especially under WOT.

brage
08-03-2003, 06:48 PM
Well I just tried checking all of the connections in the area where I was working ... both harnesses on the distributor as well as the MAF and AIT sensor harnesses... I cleaned them and applied dielectric grease to the contacts. No luck :( Still losing power @ 4000rpm with A/C off and 3500RPM w/ AC on. 1st and 2nd gear seem to rev fine, but at higher loads - 3rd and 4th gear are just **** after 4000 :(

-jeff

brage
08-03-2003, 06:50 PM
Originally posted by Maeda
Don't fill up with 87 octane! The ecu will 'detune' and your car will run retarded on you, especially under WOT.

would it run as bad as I am talking about though ? :(

I am half 87 half 91 at this point...

-jeff

thx247
08-03-2003, 07:45 PM
does a 96 KA have those intake valves? I wonder if they are opening.

brage
08-03-2003, 07:50 PM
Originally posted by thx247
does a 96 KA have those intake valves? I wonder if they are opening.

I am using the '95 intake on the '96 motor so nothing is different from a '95..

-jeff

thx247
08-03-2003, 11:58 PM
so does the intake have those valves or not lol =)

My 93 intake did, and my 98 intake did not. I think the problem is that the valves are not opening when you hit 4k. (Which is where my car, that has valves, comes into the powerband)

If you can confirm the valves or not I'll check the FSM and maybe we can figure out why they are not operating.


If you dont have valves....I don't know where else to look hehe. Maybe somone will come along.

misnomer
08-04-2003, 12:33 AM
one quick check is your fan clutch, make sure you can still spin your fan by hand. Fan clutch siezed in my dad's pickup, and it lost ~all top end power and made a lot of noise higher up.

brage
08-04-2003, 06:32 PM
I'm inclied to believe I have a fuel delivery problem ..

-jeff