Changing wheel offset

[Redstar]

To begin with, I searched Google and Zilvia to hopefully uncover some useful information but didn't quite find what I'm looking for so hopefully some of you guys can point me in the right direction. I'm looking into a set of Rays wheels in 18x9.5 +12mm all around but the fronts will probably not fit. This is going on an Accord and although the rears will work with about -4 degrees of camber, pulled fenders, a relocated bumper screw, shaved off insides of the bumper, and shaved metal on the inside of the rear wells, I doubt he front will fit. My friend has 18x9.5 +23mm on his sedan and to think these will be 11mm further than his might not work. Our cars have double wishbone struts all around by the way...

So my questions are, does anyone know if say TE37s in 18x9.5 +12mm are the same as 18x9.5 +22mm, just with more metal "shaved" off from the mounting surface? Rays offers both sizes and I am not sure if they are the same wheels in that aspect or if the depth of the lug holes is the same on both. Also, if they are the same depth, how much metal could be shaved off in order to raise the offset of the wheels? 5mm might be all I'd need for the fronts. I don't want to compromise my safety as well as others by taking off too much but I have heard of people doing this, just never heard of it on Rays wheels. Final question would be, assuming it is possible, what machine shop does Zilvia recommend to get something like this done at?

Any information regarding these questions would be great. Also, the wheels are not TE37s but they are produced by Rays. They're Gram Lights in the sizing listed above, so they are cast wheels.

[ross.cottrill]

nope,not the same man..as you look at the +23 wheel in comparison to the lower offset,the face will change(the concave effect).so the wheel wont be the same with less material like your thinking.i do think you would be ok by machining off a couple a mills to raise the effective offset as long as you dont do any topspeed runs or hardcore spirited driving..

[mikefc]

How many Illest stickers do you own?

[Redstar]

nope,not the same man..as you look at the +23 wheel in comparison to the lower offset,the face will change(the concave effect).so the wheel wont be the same with less material like your thinking.i do think you would be ok by machining off a couple a mills to raise the effective offset as long as you dont do any topspeed runs or hardcore spirited driving..
I see. I wasn't sure because I saw something online about that regarding RPF1s. I don't drive my car hard anywhere. It's slow and it's just not worth it to do dumb shit that will get me killed as well as others.
How many Illest stickers do you own?
Zero.

[Black R]

Why do this?

Just buy wheels in the size you want.

For a Honda, the offset is usually around +50 on a 6" wide wheel.

For a 9" wide wheel, you'll want a +12 offset to get the same backspacing.

10" would be +0 or -1.

9.5" would be +6.

IMO, go with the wheels you have and mod fenders accordingly.

You can run a stretched tire to give you some additional clearance, as your objective obviously isn't performance.

[Redstar]

Why do this?

Just buy wheels in the size you want.

For a Honda, the offset is usually around +50 on a 6" wide wheel.

For a 9" wide wheel, you'll want a +12 offset to get the same backspacing.

10" would be +0 or -1.

9.5" would be +6.

IMO, go with the wheels you have and mod fenders accordingly.

You can run a stretched tire to give you some additional clearance, as your objective obviously isn't performance.
Unfortunately the wheels are discontinued and they aren't stocked regularly by most shops. Obviously they're cheaper used. If I could find a pair of these for the rears and buy a new pair for the front that would be ideal but it probably won't go down like that. Also I'm lowered to the point where standard Honda sunken battleship fitment does not apply. Just sayin'.

I'm just trying to gather as much information as I can before making a mistake that is irreversible. My fenders have these wack flat spots that crease if they are pulled too much, that's why I'm asking about the wheels specifically. A nice pull would be ideal but it's a bit tricky from what I've seen on my chassis.

[Black R]

I understand what you're saying, but the fenders can be reworked or replaced:


The wheels are 15x8 te37 in +20 offset.

The tires are a 275/35/15.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c164/Black_R/EF/32be0a39.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c164/Black_R/EF/4c57035c.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c164/Black_R/EF/c2053e63.jpg



*this is an example on my civic

[Redstar]

I must say you have some fat rubber on those wheels. I am going to ask around and see how much more the fenders could be pulled for my chassis without looking like ass.

Any other insight from anyone about my questions above from others?

[Black R]

You'll likely have to do some major roll and cut; possibly some
bondo as well.

I'm surprised you're asking here instead of Honda-tech.com

but just google leng's s2000 for reference.

He's a local friend with amazing massaging of all oem fenders.
No overfenders or widebody.

Or you can go with a less agressive wheel fitment.

Personally I hope you go with the 9.5" wheels and mod fenders!

[Redstar]

Haha well I would ask but I wasn't sure where to start. This was the forum I was browsing at the time when I made the thread or thought to make the thread so here we are.

I'll look into the S2000 though. Thanks for the help.

[trevtrevs13]

AHHAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA:fruit:How many Illest stickers do you own?

[ayuaddict]

alright, let me try to help you a bit.

You cannot shave material off the back of the wheel usually, see how much material there is behind the thinnest portion of the pad (where the lug nuts seat), i doubt you can shave any material without it being dangerous. If you are not worried about performance (you obviously are not), your best bet is to get a 205/40/18 tire which is just about the smallest tire you can safely run on a 9.5j in my experience and shorten your upper control arms by sectioning them and welding back together. However this is simply speculation on my part.

P.S. don't pull your fenders at all, it will look like ass.

[morbid]

Just take your fenders off.

[Redstar]

alright, let me try to help you a bit.

You cannot shave material off the back of the wheel usually, see how much material there is behind the thinnest portion of the pad (where the lug nuts seat), i doubt you can shave any material without it being dangerous. If you are not worried about performance (you obviously are not), your best bet is to get a 205/40/18 tire which is just about the smallest tire you can safely run on a 9.5j in my experience and shorten your upper control arms by sectioning them and welding back together. However this is simply speculation on my part.

P.S. don't pull your fenders at all, it will look like ass.

There's a chance I could run some Skunk2 camber kits from a TSX since it's a whole upper control arm that is 5mm shorter in height compared to the stock ones on a TSX. Changing the wheels offset is of course a last resort. Hopefully there isn't much difference between a 98-02 Accord upper control arm and a TSX upper control arm. If it's possible I'll just run like -3.5 degrees of camber up front and about -4 in the back.

Off topic but my roommate's girlfriend knows you from back home. She's from San Jose haha.

[ayuaddict]

oh random, who is your roommate's girlfriend?

What year accord is your car? Nobody makes an adjustable upper control arm for your model? if the one meant for the TSX fits your car, but the wheel still doesn't, seriously look into shortening it. It's commonplace with VIP folk to be shortening or lengthening arms to make shit fit.

[Redstar]

oh random, who is your roommate's girlfriend?

What year accord is your car? Nobody makes an adjustable upper control arm for your model? if the one meant for the TSX fits your car, but the wheel still doesn't, seriously look into shortening it. It's commonplace with VIP folk to be shortening or lengthening arms to make shit fit.

Her name is Thu Nguyen. She said she's seen you at a few parties back in he day.

My car is a 2001 V6 coupe. Ingalls makes a kit for my car but the Skunk2 one for the TSX is lower profile, which would be nice. I'm trying to investigate the differences between the two and if it'll work I'll be stoked.

Sounds good though.

[yarou]

dude what the random

hahahaha

[ayuaddict]

Her name is Thu Nguyen. She said she's seen you at a few parties back in he day.

My car is a 2001 V6 coupe. Ingalls makes a kit for my car but the Skunk2 one for the TSX is lower profile, which would be nice. I'm trying to investigate the differences between the two and if it'll work I'll be stoked.

Sounds good though.

I can't say that name rings a bell.

But yea, good luck - hope that works out for you, I'm fairly certain that with a small enough tire 18x9.5 +12 should fit even on an accord.

dude what the random

hahahaha

YOU'RE random.

[Redstar]

It's just the front I'm worrie about. Someone already threw some Saleen Mustang reps on and they were x10 in the rear.

[GSXRJJordan]

Can't raise the offset (push them further into the wheel wells) on 1pc wheels, the lug holes and taper are already cut. With multi-piece wheels you can change barrels, but if the center's been drilled it's not going to change.

You can lower the offset (push them out) with spacers, obviously.