Bought these today...

[pacotaco345]

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e392/pacotaco345/suspension.jpg
s13 E-Motor coils, off of ebay for 450 bucks, don't worry about the pic if it isn't correct, those are just a pic of the internet not the actual set. I was previously saving for PBM coils, but after 3 of my shocks blew in 2 days I figured eff it, anythings better than this. If anyone has any helpful insight as to what these are like it would be great. If you really feel the urge, go ahead and flame, but if you actually have had a set of these please feel free to post. My cars just a DD and occasional track use, (4 times a year maybe). Other than that I just care if they go low and don't blow in under a year.

[cc4usmc]

You ask for insight before you buy something. It's a little late now, sounds like you'll just have to deal with them.

[Nezahualcoyotl]

turn this into a review thread instead.

[allntrlundrgrnd]

They look like $450 coilovers.

AKA polished turds, what do you want us to say? You already ordered them.

[pacotaco345]

I know I already ordered them, but I've heard different things from different people about them.. And this will be a review thread once I get them.

[iHateMySilvia]

so..... how do they feel? worth the $450? let us know...

[jspecusa]

you get what you paid for.
people sell no name brand for cheap on ebay for a reason.
it's because they don't have to be liable if something break and you get hurt.
just like how you can go to 3rd world countries to do an operation for cheap while it's extremely expensive here.

[pacotaco345]

you get what you paid for.
people sell no name brand for cheap on ebay for a reason.
it's because they don't have to be liable if something break and you get hurt.
just like how you can go to 3rd world countries to do an operation for cheap while it's extremely expensive here.
They don't have adjustable dampening.. I think thats where the extra $ goes

[pacotaco345]

so..... how do they feel? worth the $450? let us know...

I'll be sure to do that :D

[udon!]

They arent built with quality craftsmanship.. I think thats where the extra $ goes

fixed.

msglength.

[Sam_Well.13]

you could find cheap replacement of those blown shocks on here or CL. since its your DD, im sure you wouldnt mind riding on stock "OK" shocks till you get what you want.. now you jst spend $450 for this, I personally, wouldnt buy EBAY suspension parts due to some threads ive search in multiple forums that they break on the welds and such and could cost you your life...

but thats just me...

i think megan are best bang for your buck, for the budget tuners... even thats pushing it.. though i have megan tracks myself... but yeah....

let us know how these rock your world

[miggypq21]

They really don't go that low at all.

But I guess being low is 8 inches off the ground.

[pacotaco345]

Well.. Ima hope for the best lol

[franklin93zx]

I wouldn't throw out those blown shocks if I were you. You might need them when you realize these are shit.

[joshchewuhh]

$450 for coilovers from ebay...hmmmm sounds legit.

[Dazzla]

$450 and coilovers should never be in the same sentence.

[pacotaco345]

$450 and coilovers should never be in the same sentence.

I bought coilovers today. They were $450. :bowrofl: Anyways, they were selling the same set on another site for 700, and another ebay vendor was selling them for 560.. So idk

[Katsumbhong]

Is there a return policy on those puppies or even any sort of warranty? I say get a refund, find someone selling stock suspension for mad cheap, and save up for PBM.

If no refund... you're stuck with them
If they have no warranty and blow... you're right back where you started and $450 more broke.

However, it is your money, spend it how you like.

[pacotaco345]

It's 7 days + however long it takes for shipping, so if I put them on and they really are that bad, I'll just take em off n return them.

[mikefc]

Ive been in a few cars that had these mugs.
They're stiffer than Stance but not unbearable.
Unless you're a pussy.
And seeing how you're 16 yr old kid you probably are.
They go decently low if you remove all collars and max out or can go lower if you swap shock bodies.

[pacotaco345]

Ive been in a few cars that had these mugs.
They're stiffer than Stance but not unbearable.
Unless you're a pussy.
And seeing how you're 16 yr old kid you probably are.
They go decently low if you remove all collars and max out or can go lower if you swap shock bodies.

I just drove my friends car for 3 hours without stopping last night.. He has pbm coils on full stiff and I was fine with that, I think I'm good on stiffness.

[fliprayzin240sx]

I dont think its the stiffness you'd have to worry about...I'd worry about how fucking bouncy it would be with no dampner adjustability.

[nismoracingsx]

meh, just throw some pics up after you get em installed. I have nothing to say about them, flaming someone for buying cheap coilovers feels to same to me as flaming someone for having regular smoke detectors..

"you mean you DON'T have a full fire suppression system installed in your home? You know those cheap smoke detectors could get you killed ^_^." Anybody with their DD under 50k value and house under 400k value just GTFO, geez, ; ).

GL w/ your ebay coilovers, though they are cheap and the craftmanship is surely lacking, I still wish you the best of luck w/ them. Try not to push the limits on those as that's when the accident is most likely to occur.

[s13 @ fullboost]

cut him a brake guys if your coils are shitty (which they prob will be no offense) just return them and get something better or keep saving possibly buy used coils? I know you prob have a low budget alot of us do, but why buy something twice when you can buy it once and install it once. Somethings you can get away with on the cheap route but something as critical as suspension not a good idea to cheap out good luck and let us know how it turns out

[bb4_96]

If we don't hear from him we know they didn't work so well at high speeds

[thefro526]

Coils like that have been around for few years now, maybe not that specific brand, but I've seen identical units in different colors on eBay.

As far as I know, the dampening on them sucks, and they like to corrode after a while. They're cool if you just want to be like "Zomg I have Coilovers now my car is slammed!" and never actually drive it hard or anywhere.

Personally, I would've just picked up a set of OEM Springs and Struts off of someone on here or a local board for less than $50 before I used these. But then again, $450 isn't really that much, and I'm sure if/when they do suck you can flip them to some ill-informed person for $300 or $400. (As long as they don't break.)

[pacotaco345]

They should be here in about a week so when they come I'll let all of zilvia know whether you guys can say I told you so or not.

[OBEEWON]

You are 20. Those coils are applicable.

[omgshawn]

I have an E motor exhaust(for sale), pretty decent quality for ebay

[stinky_180]

Link to ebay auction?

"You get what you pay for"
"Cheap asses pay twice"

Be sure to post up a review... because I'm sure they're going to suck donkey balls. You should've drove with blown shocks until you got the PBM. Too late now though...

[Miker]

Bought a set of these when I was 16, they were not terrible but they will blow if you slam em all the way.

meh, sold em to a friend for 300$, d2 32way's blow these out of the water, I am sure other coils do as well.

[ericcastro]

You are 20. Those coils are applicable.

exactly.

Dudes 20, car looks better, handles a little better, and didnt cost him all his school books this year, or 6 months of saving his paycheck extra's to buy.

Enjoy em.

Next time though, for a little more, Godspeed is lifetime warrentee i believe and the mid and top grade are adjustable.
I have been on them for almost a year with no problems.
(just dont let all the ballers around here no you have em) ;)

[daftphunk]

I'm sure you could've found some non e-bay coilovers on here for $450 used, no? Well shit, hope that they end up working well for you.

[gerson408]

heres my input i ordered these they came in with the rears BLOWN!!! the fronts where ok BUT THESE ARE GARBAGE!!! GET YOUR MONEY bACK!!! NOw im ordering fortune autos megans are ten times better then these.

[piranhamatt]

I have these exact coils on an S13 and they seem fine. They are a rough, but not bouncy as many might expect. The ride quality is described while at this ride height. Be aware, lower may result in more bouncing.

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m377/piranhamatt/imagejpeg952.jpg

[Sam_Well.13]

i guess for these people are all about trust issues... but the stance looks good.

are they bouncy like coilover sleeves on a honda???...

[pacotaco345]

Thanks for all the input, haha its nice to know I wont be the only person in the world rocking these things. But as for blowing on full low I think I'll be okay, I live in Temecula and for the most part the roads are super smooth.. I just got unlucky when I blew the other three.

[Touge_Monster]

exactly.

Dudes 20, car looks better, handles a little better, and didnt cost him all his school books this year, or 6 months of saving his paycheck extra's to buy.

Enjoy em.

Next time though, for a little more, Godspeed is lifetime warrentee i believe and the mid and top grade are adjustable.
I have been on them for almost a year with no problems.
(just dont let all the ballers around here no you have em) ;)

+1 get what you can afford. Probably better than nothing

[tougefactory]

It's funny how people describe harsh ride quality as being "stiff". What is stiff describing anyways?

We have a race S14 240sx that weighs 2700lbs on 11k/9k Stance 2way system. Ride quality is excellent. Doesn't rattle your brains out like all the chinese/taiwan stuff out there. It's a magical feeling, you can feel the spring rates and know its stiff but when you hit the bumps, it just soaks it up. Almost enjoyable to hit bumps. Proper valving and balance = ride quality.

Save up and get good coilovers, it'll make your car more enjoyable, safer and most importantly handle better. Stance has proven track records in NASA,Redline, Formula D, D1 Japan, D1 USA, D1SL, and many more. Use what's proven.

[pacotaco345]

I'm planning on saving up for good coils (fortune auto, pbm, stance, dmax, etc...) but for now I'm just gonna make due with these. As soon as I'm close to having enough money for good coils theyre coming off and being sold for 300 bucks give or take a couple, and the funds are going towards the good coils.

[s13 @ fullboost]

exactly.

Dudes 20, car looks better, handles a little better, and didnt cost him all his school books this year, or 6 months of saving his paycheck extra's to buy.

Enjoy em.

Next time though, for a little more, Godspeed is lifetime warrentee i believe and the mid and top grade are adjustable.
I have been on them for almost a year with no problems.
(just dont let all the ballers around here no you have em) ;)

thank god we still have stand up guys like eric castro around. everyone else comes in hears the word ebay and flame suit on

[Corbic]

+1 get what you can afford. Probably better than nothing

Well if $450 is all he could have afforded, then he should have bought some KYB's or Tokkicos with Tein/H&R/Eibach lowering springs.

The emotors are just godspeeds and both are going to have crap dampening and I'm willing to be will be flaking, rusting and leaking with in a year.

[!Zar!]

I'm planning on saving up for good coils (fortune auto, pbm, stance, dmax, etc...) but for now I'm just gonna make due with these. As soon as I'm close to having enough money for good coils theyre coming off and being sold for 300 bucks give or take a couple, and the funds are going towards the good coils.

That's like saying you will accept sex with a man, until you find a woman who will sleep with you.

[ericcastro]

That's like saying you will accept sex with a man, until you find a woman who will sleep with you.

So you have seen my neighborhood on a weekend night?

Cause that aint no women!!!

lol

[s13 @ fullboost]

That's like saying you will accept sex with a man, until you find a woman who will sleep with you.


haha not going to lie that is some funny shit right there sig material if you ask me.

[tricky_ab]

That's like saying you will accept sex with a man, until you find a woman who will sleep with you.

:bowrofl:/thread

[pacotaco345]

Well if $450 is all he could have afforded, then he should have bought some KYB's or Tokkicos with Tein/H&R/Eibach lowering springs.

The emotors are just godspeeds and both are going to have crap dampening and I'm willing to be will be flaking, rusting and leaking with in a year.

fyi I had a set of tokikos and hks lowering springs on my car.. they blew, which is why I'm getting these.

[TwItCh]

and they are goin to do the same thing

[nikkisixx69]

my teins blew after like 8000 miles, wish i hadnt spent so much on them now!

[TwItCh]

dam how do you guys drive they shouldnt be going ou tht quik

[ineedone]

Cheap coils are not going to make you smile to much, but they should last you long enough (hopefully). Honestly, for the amount you paid, you probably could have just bought new struts and used your original springs and had a decent ride while you saved up for a decent set. Let us know how long they last!

[TwItCh]

basically you get wat you pay for

[Metal Angel]

A wise man once said, "Buy the best and you only cry once."

I'm in the same boat as you... broke as shit and have shitty stock suspension... but why pay 450 bucks for a dog turd? You wouldn't buy a condom with a whole in it just because it was cheaper...

If it comes down to it and I can never save enough pennies for pbm or stance... then I will just grab some gr2s off ebay for 175 bucks. I won't be slammed and I'll still have tons of body roll but at least I will retain oem quality.

And a 7 day warranty? Bread has a better return policy than that!

[Metal Angel]

Send 'em back as soon as you get them! You won't regret it!

[Sam_Well.13]

MIGHT be in the market of selling my coupe. i have MEGAN track coilovers...4K on them or so.

maybe we can trade plus cash on your end???....ill even let you drive my car before we swap.. ill have to see what my money issue by this week though, if im still broke, then its up on the market

[pacotaco345]

MIGHT be in the market of selling my coupe. i have MEGAN track coilovers...4K on them or so.

maybe we can trade plus cash on your end???....ill even let you drive my car before we swap.. ill have to see what my money issue by this week though, if im still broke, then its up on the market

Trade cars? or trade coils... I like my car..

[rollout240]

this should be in product review.

http://zilvia.net/f/reviews-forum/

[Sam_Well.13]

Trade cars? or trade coils... I like my car..

coils bro.

[TwItCh]

go with what sam well.13 is offering you

you wont regret that one

[hendeeze]

just a thought, but generally most of the made in Taiwan/china items are all from the same factory. If you go ahead and get some digital calipers and measure the shock casing, the ID of the spring, and check the threading on the collars/mount pts,the piston diameter. You might be able to get away with just getting replacement "stance or your fav companies shock" thread that onto your ebay mounts, and whalla. You get "insert brand here" dampening and just make sure your ebay springs dont have some crazy fluctuation in spring rate and you'll be fine.

It be best if you had a buddy with the brand dampener you want to replace, just too double check if everything would fit correctly.

I havent tried this myself, but if you have the resources it could be a cheaper way to source some decent riding coilovers.

[pacotaco345]

^^ I've actually been thinking about that, buying pbm dampers whenever the ones in these blow and just threading them in.

[slideways2004]

cut him a brake guys if your coils are shitty (which they prob will be no offense) just return them and get something better

hahahahaa. i would really like to see you guys try this

[HyperTek]

Its his first coilovers, id expect him to say how awesome they are when he throws them on.. We all been there with our first set. lol

My first set was used Tein HR back in 02 that i paid $600 for since there wasnt many options affordable options back then.. I rocked em for 2 years or so then picked up a buddies Tein HE that he bought new and had them on his car for a short time. Now you got a sea of decent ones starting around the $1k mark.

This is a learning period, it only gets better as he goes.. Im not for cheapo brand but it gives him a taste of what to expect, then go from there.

[Sam_Well.13]

i used to think rocking skunk2 coiloversleeves on OEM shocks were the SHIT.....

but i was 15 when i got my first civic and did work.. lmao

[EnjoiNISMO]

Looking at the picture of the coilovers, the fronts don't look like they have much height adjustment.

looolll boucing coilovers.

[pacotaco345]

Looking at the picture of the coilovers, the fronts don't look like they have much height adjustment.

looolll boucing coilovers.
Thats not a picture of the actual coilovers...

[Corbic]

^^ I've actually been thinking about that, buying pbm dampers whenever the ones in these blow and just threading them in.

So you would have spent +$850 for garbage springs + PBM shocks and would still be short camber plates... awesome plan man! Ksports are only $800.

[TheRealSy90]

ksports eww

[TwItCh]

i say return them and save for some better suspension and then you wont even have to worry if there good or not

i was goin to get godspeed but saved up a lil more and now i have stance

[Corbic]

ksports eww

An Godspeed is not? :nono:

[docrez]

Godspeed, emusa and fanboi favorite PBM all come from the same cheap ass factory. Only difference is how they are marketed and sold i.e. PBM has sucess due to thesole fact so and so runs them on his sweet drifter car and fanboi #1 reads his build thread and assumes that they are automaticly golden because so and so has them. Its quite stupid. Buy what you can afford. Who fucking cares

[Corbic]

Godspeed, emusa and fanboi favorite PBM all come from the same cheap ass factory. Only difference is how they are marketed and sold i.e. PBM has sucess due to thesole fact so and so runs them on his sweet drifter car and fanboi #1 reads his build thread and assumes that they are automaticly golden because so and so has them. Its quite stupid. Buy what you can afford. Who fucking cares

Proof brah. You can clearly look at them and see they are different.

Also, a CTS-V and Aveo are manufactured by the same company...yeah, only difference is the price and badge. :duh:

[pacotaco345]

So you would have spent +$850 for garbage springs + PBM shocks and would still be short camber plates... awesome plan man! Ksports are only $800.

they have camber plates..

[udon!]

Godspeed, emusa and fanboi favorite PBM all come from the same cheap ass factory. Only difference is how they are marketed and sold i.e. PBM has sucess due to thesole fact so and so runs them on his sweet drifter car and fanboi #1 reads his build thread and assumes that they are automaticly golden because so and so has them. Its quite stupid. Buy what you can afford. Who fucking cares

Let me be the first to respectfully say you are an idiot for including powered by max in that list. Correct me if im wrong but arent cars competing in d1sl running part shop max coilovers with swift springs? Can you please tell me where you are getting your info from? Also, could you give me an example of what you like to think of as a quality coilover?

[lflkajfj12123]

^ PBM are garbage intro coilovers

everyone knows that

people just buy them because they're cheap and go low

stop being a herb

[Corbic]

^ PBM are garbage intro coilovers

everyone knows that

people just buy them because they're cheap and go low

stop being a herb

Ding-Ding-Ding

Comparable to BC, Fortune Auto and probably GR+ Stance

[lflkajfj12123]

Stance's dampening is heaps better than PBM

[ZX88]

these are sick.


Tru story brah

[Csomme]

^ PBM are garbage intro coilovers

everyone knows that

people just buy them because they're cheap and go low

stop being a herb




And that's definitely why in blind reviews they get #1.


Stop trying to look cool and go against the flow. You look dumb to people that actually know what they're talking about.


And it was in Drift Tengoku was it not? You should know this, mister "JDM everything"

[hendeeze]

Let me be the first to respectfully say you are an idiot for including powered by max in that list. Correct me if im wrong but arent cars competing in d1sl running part shop max coilovers with swift springs? Can you please tell me where you are getting your info from? Also, could you give me an example of what you like to think of as a quality coilover?

You cant really say just because these are used in competition they arent the same as some other crap coilover. Why? Because even the crap coilovers work well the first day. If they are really sponsored It wouldn't be to hard for them to get them rebuilt for every event. Or at least alot more frequently then 99% of the rest of us. Especially when the event is a drift, where all you need is something extremely stiff. . I wouldnt go as far as to say that a new godspeed coilover would work well day 1 on auto X. But at least when it comes to drifting it shouldnt be a problem.

Most of the people just go by name and whats cheap. And if your just looking to slam your car to the ground, and dont mind your girls titties bouncing up and down when you hit a bump, frankly who gives a shit if you get some ebay crap. the 400 bucks served its purpose, and that was to slam yo shite.

If you actually put in time and effort into auto-x, then your just cheating yourself from a decent track experience when you don't have quality suspension. If you have some godspeeds and are doing auto-x then, the godspeeds arent really serving a purpose. Your better off practicing with stock suspension and improving driving skill, until you can afford something better.

just my 2c

[Csomme]

PSM's shock Dyno results, posted up for the world to look at.



Shock Dyno stats:
Front shock at maximum damping setting: Damping test at 229rpm (.6M/sec) Tension = 748.8KG Compression = 94.8KG
Front shock at minimum damping setting: Damping test at 229rpm (.6M/sec) Tension = 625.7KG Compression = 92.9KG
Rear shock at maximum damping setting: Damping test at 191rpm (.5M/sec) Tension = 642.6KG Compression = 99.5KG
Rear shock at minimum damping setting: Damping test at 191rpm (.5M/sec) Tension = 591.8KG Compression = 94.4KG




compare to others. please.

[pacotaco345]

You cant really say just because these are used in competition they arent the same as some other crap coilover. Why? Because even the crap coilovers work well the first day. If they are really sponsored It wouldn't be to hard for them to get them rebuilt for every event. Or at least alot more frequently then 99% of the rest of us. Especially when the event is a drift, where all you need is something extremely stiff. . I wouldnt go as far as to say that a new godspeed coilover would work well day 1 on auto X. But at least when it comes to drifting it shouldnt be a problem.

Most of the people just go by name and whats cheap. And if your just looking to slam your car to the ground, and dont mind your girls titties bouncing up and down when you hit a bump, frankly who gives a shit if you get some ebay crap. the 400 bucks served its purpose, and that was to slam yo shite.

If you actually put in time and effort into auto-x, then your just cheating yourself from a decent track experience when you don't have quality suspension. If you have some godspeeds and are doing auto-x then, the godspeeds arent really serving a purpose. Your better off practicing with stock suspension and improving driving skill, until you can afford something better.

just my 2c
Like I said earlier, my cars just a dd that'll see occasional track use (drifting), so it shouldn't be a problem, and all the roads here are pretty smooth so ya.. I just want my car slammed and not bouncy as hell, and before someone says these coils are gonna be bouncy, I'm pretty sure they will be, but no where near blown strut status.

[lflkajfj12123]

And that's definitely why in blind reviews they get #1.


Stop trying to look cool and go against the flow. You look dumb to people that actually know what they're talking about.


And it was in Drift Tengoku was it not? You should know this, mister "JDM everything"

What the fuck are you talking about maggot?

[ZX88]

rocks have been smoked in this thread.

[ineedone]

cocks have been smoked in this thread.

hehe :eek3:

[yingiang]

my pbm coilovers are way better in comparision to my friends stance. the spring rate matched with the dampening is superior to stance.

[lflkajfj12123]

running a stiffer spring to make up for poor dampening does not equal superior

[yingiang]

running a stiffer spring to make up for poor dampening does not equal superior

then why does my dampening on my pbm actually have noticeable change while the stance feel the same no matter if you set hardest or softest?
also my friends stance are running 9k/10k i believe

it just kind of bugged me when people say its a bandwagon thing is the reason i bought em. its not..i read up on alot of coilovers before deciding pbm. pbm are really good coilovers for the money

[lazysk8er2]

because its so important to have the most expensive shit on a daily beater.

HOWEVER...get something with quality and a company who stands behind their product.

totally against the ebay random coils but also if its not a track car i think 1000 set of decent coils should be installed. even if its tein basics, stances, pbms oorrr atleast get a used quality set which would be more reliable.

[Csomme]

What the fuck are you talking about maggot?

What the fuck do you think I'm talking about?

I quoted you and everything.

[lflkajfj12123]

I'm laughing at you right now because you're such an idiot. You obviously have no clue how the world works.

Continue to stand up for a product you probably have never owned or had anything to compare it against just because of what some Japanese drifting magazine said about someone's product. Both companies are businesses trying to make money off of turds like you.

[nathanong87]

no adjustable dampening. so this pretty much means you OVERPAID for struts + coil sleeves + springs.....

[TheRealSy90]

struts + coil sleeves + springs = coilovers.

[ZX88]

no dampening adjustablility = cholo bounce everywhere

[Acsey]

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/8/3/7ee77787-2a06-4d05-9c36-27e7d5ee8bf1.gif

[TwItCh]

dam just get your money back from those "coilovers"

there are useless without dampening

and what nathanong87 said thats what you did

dont buy stuff because it is cheap

[Csomme]

I'm laughing at you right now because you're such an idiot. You obviously have no clue how the world works.

Continue to stand up for a product you probably have never owned or had anything to compare it against just because of what some Japanese drifting magazine said about someone's product. Both companies are businesses trying to make money off of turds like you.


I've owned 2 sets, Also have owned Tein Super Drifts, have driven on HKS, and JIC FLTA2's.

By far the best coilovers I've ever used on the track.

I get the feeling your the one who's never ran them. I'll take people with proven track experiences word over yours. These coilovers have been ran in competition and everything, and the only shit they get is from people who try to daily them and can't handle it, or people who think they're shit but have never ran them just because they see tons of people jumping on the bandwagon.

Grow up dude. You always act so high and mighty. Get down off that pedestal.



EDIT: And how the fuck can you make assumptions about what I've done, where I come from, what I've ran, etc.? You don't know me asshole.

[lflkajfj12123]

You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong.

How about you just suck these nuts?

Tein super drifts- GARBAGE. HKS- EXPENSIVE GARBAGE. JIC - JAPAN'S LEADER IN GARBAGE.

So you only have experience on the track with PBM coilovers? COOL.

You're the one who thinks they are THE SHIT because of the bandwagon.

Like do you seriously think a coilover that MSRP's at $1000 actually has good dampening? You're a bigger joke than the joke itself.

You know nothing about me either but I will continue to make assumptions about bitch ass fools like you that post up a fucking compression's graphs numbers when I KNOW FOR A FACT you know nothing of what that means nor do most people who are even engineers for a living. ARE YOU AN ENGINEER BRO?

Who runs PBM in competition? Matt Powers, Tommy Roberts (both are basically sponsored by the shop and both built their cars extremely cheap) and the fucking owner of the company in D1SL he better fucking run them if he's trying to sell his own product. You're a douche for thinking those factors mean anything.

Just because your PBM coilovers do the job does NOT mean they are any where near as good as better valved coilovers such as Stance, Zeal, or DG-5.

BTW, these NUTS- suck em.

[ineedone]

better valved coilovers such as Stance, Zeal, or DG-5.

Zeal = Win

Fortune Auto = Win:trogdor:

Stance is so-so, no better or no worse than any other 1k price point coilover

[lflkajfj12123]

Stance has a couple different models... the base model dampening and springs are still better. I know for a FACT.

[Sam_Well.13]

i have megan track. and i like the way they ride. some people say they're too stiff??... iono. maybe cuz i was gettin out of my previous car. honda civic. which was on skunk2 coils and skunk 2 pro shocks.

[zooopreme]

SO - Where's OP to come tell us how the ride is?

[yingiang]

soapgun knows it all. /thread
*rolls eyes

[docrez]

PBM is drifter FANBOI garbage. Don't buy into HYPE! I would rather waste my money on entry level Cusco any day of the week.

[Corbic]

PBM is drifter FANBOI garbage. Don't buy into HYPE! I would rather waste my money on entry level Cusco any day of the week.

Who are you to make that determination?

[Corbic]

SO - Where's OP to come tell us how the ride is?

Welds busted off one of them and crashed into a tree...

Godspeed rest his soul.

[zooopreme]

Welds busted off one of them and crashed into a tree...

Godspeed rest his soul.

I see what you did there lol

[titangts]

these coilover threads are so funny, especially considering that 99% of these "racers" who buy all this "legit" stuff, never even get those cars corner balanced and properly set.

Most slam it to the ground, do absolutely nothing about roll center adjusting! Fuck their geometry all to hell. Them continue to say," hey man take a collar out, YOU'LL GO EVEN LOWER!!:eek3d:

so yea OP make sure to listen to these people. You know, the same guys who's control arms are in shaped of a V and their deflection of bushings are so ridiculous, but yet do not seem to care since they have "fitment".

Ever wounder why JR continues to win events and drives so well. Um.... let me see, OH WOW his car isn't on the ground!! his car is actually functional!! WTF!? why would he want to do that?? sure he wins, but he isn't hellaflush!! so fuck him.:cj:

[pacotaco345]

SO - Where's OP to come tell us how the ride is?

Dood! I still havent gotten them, I'm surprised I'm already on page four here lol, as soon as I get them on the car tho I'll let you guys know.

[KrazyS13]

Take some pics of them before you install them..

[!Zar!]

these coilover threads are so funny, especially considering that 99% of these "racers" who buy all this "legit" stuff, never even get those cars corner balanced and properly set.

Most slam it to the ground, do absolutely nothing about roll center adjusting! Fuck their geometry all to hell. Them continue to say," hey man take a collar out, YOU'LL GO EVEN LOWER!!:eek3d:

so yea OP make sure to listen to these people. You know, the same guys who's control arms are in shaped of a V and their deflection of bushings are so ridiculous, but yet do not seem to care since they have "fitment".

Ever wounder why JR continues to win events and drives so well. Um.... let me see, OH WOW his car isn't on the ground!! his car is actually functional!! WTF!? why would he want to do that?? sure he wins, but he isn't hellaflush!! so fuck him.:cj:

Roll center has nothing to do with shitty coilovers.

Shitty suspension is shitty suspension bro.

We're talking about damping and feel, not lap times.

My roll center? probably somewhere in Nigeria as far as I know.

Do I give a damn, no.

I DO IT FOR THE BABIES

[fishboi]

Anyone know how the buddy club d1 coilovers compare to pbm,stance,tein? Obviously they are not that great...but im hoping they are at least a little better then pbm or stance?

[!Zar!]

Nope. out of those, I'd say go with Stance. Then buy some Swift or Hypercoil springs.

Ball on a budget bro.

[fishboi]

Well...I actually bought them a few months ago. They sell for 1056 come with a 1 year warranty and you can get them rebuilt in Cali. They are set on the softest settings and ride super comfy. They feel a little more stiffer then my previous set-up (KYB with some unknown spring) I just want to know how they compare to pbm, tein and stance but nobody really runs them =[ bought them because they are cheaper then stance and tein yet still come with a warranty.

[stinky_180]

Hypercoil springs? Never heard of them.. gotta do some searching

[jah]

all you guys are a trip..these are just like megan colis...E-MOTOR Coilovers - Northwest Nissans (http://www.northwestnissans.com/board/showthread.php?t=91619)

i happen to have them on my S13 and they are not bad at all the weds looked ok nothing special was expected for the price but it looked safe..there not to bouncy either.my only compalian is you can slam the from but the rears could go a lot lower imo.but you can also remove the collars.


pics from shop class before install may 2010
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u300/evotna69/IMG00442-2.jpg
august 2010
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u300/evotna69/August-02_1432.jpg

i like these alot for what there worth they preform fine for my buget at the moment i will def be geting some PBMs tho for my track car..

[!Zar!]

Hypercoil springs? Never heard of them.. gotta do some searching

They are the shit. Not as consistent as SWIFT springs, but they are of course a good chunk cheaper.

slider2828 has a good thread that gets into the details.
For all you Megan Racing Coilover Users... Read this (http://zilvia.net/f/tech-talk/317684-all-you-megan-racing-coilover-users-read.html)

[lflkajfj12123]

Stance's springs are actually pretty good they're just not as light as swift.

[Sam_Well.13]

They are the shit. Not as consistent as SWIFT springs, but they are of course a good chunk cheaper.

slider2828 has a good thread that gets into the details.
For all you Megan Racing Coilover Users... Read this (http://zilvia.net/f/tech-talk/317684-all-you-megan-racing-coilover-users-read.html)


interesting.. im definately gonna get some swift spring for my megan.. thnx

[Touge Noob S13]

Ever wounder why JR continues to win events and drives so well. Um.... let me see, OH WOW his car isn't on the ground!! his car is actually functional!! WTF!? why would he want to do that?? sure he wins, but he isn't hellaflush!! so fuck him.:cj:

Lol @ people who think jr is cool.

[pacotaco345]

Krazys13: I will definatley be taking some pictures of the coils both on and off the car, as well as the stance I can get with them once I'm all done.

Jah: Those coils look like an older version of the ones I ordered, the ones I got are black and red and the shock tube in the back looks a lil bit shorter than the ones on those.. hopefully I can slam it in the rears too without too much trouble.

[ineedone]

Stance has a couple different models... the base model dampening and springs are still better. I know for a FACT.

Yeah, the higher end stances are decent, but as far as the 1k price point, I could not tell a difference between Stance GR+ pro (or whatever they were called they were like 1.1k) and the BC racing equivalent. Other than being a few bucks cheaper, both ride identical (IMO). They also looked exactly the same, and well, may come from the same factory. Obviously the higher end/track worthy ones would blow those both out of the waters!

[pacotaco345]

Okay so I got the coils in this morning, and I just finished putting them on the car. I got rid of all the wheel gap and my frames about 2 inches off the ground, I can still go a lil lower in the front, and wayy lower in the back. If I took the collars off i wouldnt be surprised if I could get the frame about a half inch off the ground without any trouble. I drove it around and even though it doesn't have adjustable damping I'm happy where the ride is now, a lil softer than pbm, but still stiff enough, and not bouncy at all. Spring rates are 6/8k and work fine, handles nice, etc. Anyways on to the pics.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e392/pacotaco345/DSC01439.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e392/pacotaco345/DSC01440.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e392/pacotaco345/DSC01441.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e392/pacotaco345/DSC01442.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e392/pacotaco345/DSC01443.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e392/pacotaco345/DSC01444.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e392/pacotaco345/DSC01445.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e392/pacotaco345/DSC01446.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e392/pacotaco345/DSC01447.jpg

The only complaint I have was that the brackets that mount the front coils onto the steering knuckle were about 1mm too narrow to fit around it, so some gorilla bending was in order. After about a minute on the vice though the things slid right on without a problem. I guess time will be the true test of how these things do, but for a first impression, well worth my 450 bucks

[90white240]

You have a bad A$$ toaster. I like the way your car sits, very clean.

[pacotaco345]

You have a bad A$$ toaster. I like the way your car sits, very clean.

lol its a double wide, and thanks

[Sam_Well.13]

prolli jst for street use... im sure these will act like POS soon as you start puttin more force on turns and stress on them...

fuck it though. looks good and does the job...

[Sam_Well.13]

did u remove one of the locking perks on the both rears?

[dsastr_clan]

more pics?

[pacotaco345]

did u remove one of the locking perks on the both rears?

I took one collar off thinking thai I would need to, but I didnt and got too lazy to put it back on...

[Sam_Well.13]

You might want to put those back on though, safety precaution.

UNLESS the 2 remaining locking perks are sitting on top right above the tube like how your front coils are sitting.

Just saying, i was thinking of doing the same thing, but i didn't want to hit a dip then my rear would collapse because the thread wouldn't hold the car. You know what i mean??

Though i havent found anything about this imaginary problem that could occur.

[pacotaco345]

more pics?

In a lil bit...

[pacotaco345]

You might want to put those back on though, safety precaution.

UNLESS the 2 remaining locking perks are sitting on top right above the tube like how your front coils are sitting.

Just saying, i was thinking of doing the same thing, but i didn't want to hit a dip then my rear would collapse because the thread wouldn't hold the car. You know what i mean??

Though i havent found anything about this imaginary problem that could occur.

I'll probly put the collar back on tomorrow when I tuck the front harness for that reason, it isnt too much of a big deal to take them off anyways.

[Sam_Well.13]

koo koo.

now you need better wheels or spacers to hella flush the style.

[pacotaco345]

koo koo.

now you need better wheels or spacers to hella flush the style.
Ya I know.. I might borrow a set of my friends meshies just to see what it looks like.

[udon!]

Okay so I got the coils in this morning, and I just finished putting them on the car. I got rid of all the wheel gap and my frames about 2 inches off the ground, I can still go a lil lower in the front, and wayy lower in the back. If I took the collars off i wouldnt be surprised if I could get the frame about a half inch off the ground without any trouble. I drove it around and even though it doesn't have adjustable damping I'm happy where the ride is now, a lil softer than pbm, but still stiff enough, and not bouncy at all. Spring rates are 6/8k and work fine, handles nice, etc. Anyways on to the pics.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e392/pacotaco345/DSC01439.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e392/pacotaco345/DSC01440.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e392/pacotaco345/DSC01441.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e392/pacotaco345/DSC01442.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e392/pacotaco345/DSC01443.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e392/pacotaco345/DSC01444.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e392/pacotaco345/DSC01445.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e392/pacotaco345/DSC01446.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e392/pacotaco345/DSC01447.jpg

The only complaint I have was that the brackets that mount the front coils onto the steering knuckle were about 1mm too narrow to fit around it, so some gorilla bending was in order. After about a minute on the vice though the things slid right on without a problem. I guess time will be the true test of how these things do, but for a first impression, well worth my 450 bucks

Damn dude your paint turned out super nice for doing it yourself!

[NoPistons!]

Being all for "ballin on a budget" i'll say these coils are probably made in the same factory as d2, megan...etc....

Just un-named. If you understand how china manufacturing works, most companies pick shit out of a catalog and put their name on it.... The name itself adds to the cost.

For street coils or if you really dont give a shit about being a tech homo control freak, you got a good deal.

Beats rocking s-techs and some tokico blues that alot of people WASTE money on. Yeah, it is a WASTE. Being able to preload your suspension and change ride height was worth the $450 me thinks. I paid $550 for some used jic's that have only ride height adjustable so i'm buying some of these off brand joints to replace them soon. I like preload, especially when my car is an inch of the ground.....

[articdragon192]

I like a smooth ride when I'm on the floor. That's just me though, lmao

[lflkajfj12123]

Yeah, the higher end stances are decent, but as far as the 1k price point, I could not tell a difference between Stance GR+ pro (or whatever they were called they were like 1.1k) and the BC racing equivalent. Other than being a few bucks cheaper, both ride identical (IMO). They also looked exactly the same, and well, may come from the same factory. Obviously the higher end/track worthy ones would blow those both out of the waters!

Stance has the best dampeners and springs out of all the intro level priced coilovers... just because YOU can't tell the difference doesn't mean there isn't one.

[DreamN]

^ Not to mentioned not everyone knows how to setup their suspension properly. Most people just get coilovers to simply drop their cars and set dampening at the stiffest possible which is simply idiotic.

It took quite some time for me to get an amazing ride on my GR+Pros. Some of my settings were completely off. Buddy and I spent a weekend adjusting till I was just amazed at how great they finally handled. Reminded me of the first time I ever rode in a car with Stance and why decided to pick up a set in the first place.

Next thing I'll be adding is a set of Swift Springs. After all is said and done I'm sure I won't want to upgrade to anything for quite some time.

[ineedone]

Stance has the best dampeners and springs out of all the intro level priced coilovers... just because YOU can't tell the difference doesn't mean there isn't one.

Who at Stance is paying you? :boink: I really liked the Stance coils, I just could not justify the extra money for those when there were other slightly cheaper coils that performed just as well...at least to the point where it was difficult to tell which set I was riding on.

Yes, most of the enjoyment you can get out of a decent set of coils is in the setup. I have mine set-up great for the daily. But I would not even begin to think of really ripping them on a track. Entry level coils, even if they are the almighty Stance brand, just wont handle the stress of consistent track use!

Entry level coils, are just that... entry level.

[pacotaco345]

^ Not to mentioned not everyone knows how to setup their suspension properly. Most people just get coilovers to simply drop their cars and set dampening at the stiffest possible which is simply idiotic.

It took quite some time for me to get an amazing ride on my GR+Pros. Some of my settings were completely off. Buddy and I spent a weekend adjusting till I was just amazed at how great they finally handled. Reminded me of the first time I ever rode in a car with Stance and why decided to pick up a set in the first place.

Next thing I'll be adding is a set of Swift Springs. After all is said and done I'm sure I won't want to upgrade to anything for quite some time.
Perhaps some tips on how to adjust your coils the right way?? Cuz these things are just slammed with hardly any preload, the rears have no preload at all lol.

[s14_sr20_silvia]

I have a question and feel like I'll get flamed if I start a thread and my question might get looked over in the small questions thread.. so here goes..

I've got TEIN Super Drifts on my S14, but I'm considering getting Swift springs for them. The question: Would there be any advantage to doing this? Also.. How do I know what size springs to order without taking my current springs off and measuring them? I'll most likely keep the same spring rates 10k/8k F/R IIRC, but as far as inner and outter diameter and length..?

[jah]

I have a question and feel like I'll get flamed if I start a thread and my question might get looked over in the small questions thread.. so here goes..

I've got TEIN Super Drifts on my S14, but I'm considering getting Swift springs for them. The question: Would there be any advantage to doing this? Also.. How do I know what size springs to order without taking my current springs off and measuring them? I'll most likely keep the same spring rates 10k/8k F/R IIRC, but as far as inner and outter diameter and length..?
lol what a noob

[jah]

and all you guys talking about stance so much why stance they seem good and all but my first choice would be PBM in a heartbeat for 1k shipped and you can slam you car as much as you want.there prolly to stiff for you guys...
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u300/evotna69/1251590465_2_FT4523_p1050270.jpg

[zooopreme]

and all you guys talking about stance so much why stance they seem good and all but my first choice would be PBM in a heartbeat for 1k shipped and you can slam you car as much as you want.there prolly to stiff for you guys...
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u300/evotna69/1251590465_2_FT4523_p1050270.jpg

PBM's are horrible intro level coilovers, I'd use the 1K shipped to my advantage when my Stance's give out.

[DreamN]

Perhaps some tips on how to adjust your coils the right way?? Cuz these things are just slammed with hardly any preload, the rears have no preload at all lol.
Just need to play with your settings and see what works best with the coils you have. Get an alignment asap as well. Do you have any adjustable arms?

I didn't put on my coils till I had RUCAs, Tension Rods, Inner & Outer Rods, and an alignment scheduled the next day. Still need Toe Rods as well.
I have a question and feel like I'll get flamed if I start a thread and my question might get looked over in the small questions thread.. so here goes..

I've got TEIN Super Drifts on my S14, but I'm considering getting Swift springs for them. The question: Would there be any advantage to doing this? Also.. How do I know what size springs to order without taking my current springs off and measuring them? I'll most likely keep the same spring rates 10k/8k F/R IIRC, but as far as inner and outter diameter and length..?
Considering you have Super Drifts anything would help you. I really don't like those coils. Swift Springs are always an upgrade. If you're not able to measure your springs look up info online.

You can even email or call Tein USA for info.
lol what a noob

and all you guys talking about stance so much why stance they seem good and all but my first choice would be PBM in a heartbeat for 1k shipped and you can slam you car as much as you want.there prolly to stiff for you guys...

LOL Calling someone a noob and you come in praising one of the most bandwagon coils out right now? I'm not knocking PBM coils as they serve their purpose, but your post alone discredits any advice you give.
PBM's are horrible intro level coilovers, I'd use the 1K shipped to my advantage when my Stance's give out.
^ ding ding.


Seeing as you're in the 818, check out the Wednesday Night meet if you haven't already.

[s14_sr20_silvia]

lol what a noob

Thanks for your input.. 9 posts huh? and 2 of them in the last 45 minutes.. :rolleyes:

Thanks DreamN

[zooopreme]

Seeing as you're in the 818, check out the Wednesday Night meet if you haven't already.

I'm a younger than a lot of you at the 818 region so I was scared to show up hahaha and plus my car is riding stock, I didn't want to embarrass you guys until I at least got her lowered haha

[DreamN]

LOL Dude, no worries. Plenty of young ones around. Hell, at least your S-Chassis is running right now. Need to get mine going soon. Quite a few stock cars showing up also. Plus, lots of good folks to meet and talk too. Even have a new burger joint with some pretty damn good food.

[lflkajfj12123]

^ Not to mentioned not everyone knows how to setup their suspension properly. Most people just get coilovers to simply drop their cars and set dampening at the stiffest possible which is simply idiotic.

It took quite some time for me to get an amazing ride on my GR+Pros. Some of my settings were completely off. Buddy and I spent a weekend adjusting till I was just amazed at how great they finally handled. Reminded me of the first time I ever rode in a car with Stance and why decided to pick up a set in the first place.

Next thing I'll be adding is a set of Swift Springs. After all is said and done I'm sure I won't want to upgrade to anything for quite some time.

This; this, this.

[pacotaco345]

Just tucked my harness so no more worries about rubbing :hsdance:

DreamN: No I dont have adjustable arms on my car but I have a camber and toe guage, my toe is spot on and my cambers fine in the front but I'm at -4 degrees in the back lol. I should be investing in some RUCAs somtime in september

[KrazyS13]

+1 on the RUCA's, I need to order some as well. My Gr+ pros are on the way and I wanna get an alignment asap.

Glad your enjoying the coils, it might take you awhile to get the settings right but you'll figure it out eventually. Just keep tinkering..

[wh0aitznic0]

Lol good quality RUCA's and Toe Arms cost more than your suspension.

[Sam_Well.13]

dude is happy with his purchase.. no need to bash on the guy. like most every on here, its trial and errors. And i know the internet was invented and so are review threads, dude is excited. Good for him.

[pacotaco345]

MOAR pics

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e392/pacotaco345/DSC01451.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e392/pacotaco345/DSC01450.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e392/pacotaco345/DSC01449.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e392/pacotaco345/DSC01448.jpg

Now I just need some offset...

[TheRealSy90]

Your car is really nice man, and your on a good start. As long as you like your purchase, your good to go.

[jah]

fuck stance....PBM FTW /thread. lol

[jah]

oh and get some wider wheels and your car would look really nice...looks good tho.

[BoostSlideWayz]

Suspension is better than none at all.. Its a fix thats all that matters. I think everyone is used to name brand stuff and always will look down on starting companies that have affordable prices.

[Nick_04K]

Judging by the rest of his car...These are probably going to work just fine for him (given they don't blow out prematurely)
Nice car though btw. It looks pretty clean! Visit one of the wheel threads on here for some help though...after that, car is sexy!
Lets see some interior shots haha.

[pacotaco345]

lol interior is stock, but I did get a partial sponsorship from AeroDesigns so a couple kevlar buckets will be going in shortly :2f2f:

[!Zar!]

Sponsored for doing what?

[narsty_status]

ebay shit is kinda sketchy sometimes....u should have waited till u had enough $$$ pbms....just sayin...looks good though and im glad ur happy with the result...

[ineedone]

Sponsored for doing what?

It's AeroDesigns man, just buying there stuff will get you a "sponsorship." Which in reality is just a small discount and some stickers when you buy their knock-offs!

[pacotaco345]

Sponsored for doing what?
55% off anything, and for having a clean car..

[pacotaco345]

It's AeroDesigns man, just buying there stuff will get you a "sponsorship." Which in reality is just a small discount and some stickers when you buy their knock-offs!
I haven't bought anything.. and 55% off/230 bux for a kevlar bucket is a pretty big discount..

[driftsilvias13]

$230 for some crappy carbon/kevlar look knock off seats? Not really as good of a deal as you think.

[theboy]

we can all bash him for his actions, but in the end its his car, his descions. Yes a knock off is a knock off. And you get what you pay for. But let him be happy with his purchase. The flamming gets old after a while, and im waiting for thread on how these hold up to everything.

have fun and let us know they work


:rl:

[90white240]

+1 what this guy said^^^^

[Nick_04K]

No reason for posting your comments about Aerodesigns. Unless your just trying to be assholes...? Too much bashing in this thread already. Besides, their stuff looks okay and their not claiming to be anything that they are not. At least they are actually putting their own name on products right?

[Metal Angel]

Now I just need some offset...

Technically you don't want offset... the reason your wheels are sunken is because they have so much offset. If they had no offset (ie: +0) they would fit well.

[Sam_Well.13]

Technically you don't want offset... the reason your wheels are sunken is because they have so much offset. If they had no offset (ie: +0) they would fit well.

i think he meant negative offset so wheels sits flush.

nothing an adapter cant fix.

[WheelWhore]

zeals man. i owned flta2's, many many cusco's, tein's, megan's, and a few more.

BY FAR, my Zeal Super Functions. Aluminum bodied and Adjustable dampening. For fuck sakes, I could hold all for of my coilovers in one hand and not struggle. For the money I spent on FLTA2's, I should spent alittle more and just went Zeal.


But as many said before, if they are for DD, fuck it. We can argue, but at the end of the day, its your money and your decision. I know I will sleep well tonight whether you bought external resivoured Zeals or Ebay Coils.

-Cheers! Enjoy em.

[koukimonster07]

Review...

Friends hatch with the same coils. Wishes he had PBM for obvious reasons, but happy with these for the price. Not too bad of a ride.. Quality..? Well we'll see..

http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz82/koukimonster07/DSCN0863-1.jpg


Looks good anyway.

[ineedone]

No reason for posting your comments about Aerodesigns. Unless your just trying to be assholes...? Too much bashing in this thread already. Besides, their stuff looks okay and their not claiming to be anything that they are not. At least they are actually putting their own name on products right?

I never said anything bad about Aerodesigns. They are knock-off seats. If you are not worried about FIA approval and just want a sporty seat (why not just get s14 seats?) then they are just fine.

However, when everyone defending knock-offs is under the age of 21, that should mean something. Knock-offs are fine for low budget street use (maybe...), but I would not go touting how great they are and even attempt to put them through track abuse.

[Fortitude]

The only thing that you'll have to worry about with that setup will be the lifespan of them. Seizing, blown, so on and so forth. I'm sure they'll atleast last you untill you can afford a set of PBMs, unless you're using it for heavy course applications.

[Nick_04K]

...............

[Nick_04K]

I never said anything bad about Aerodesigns. They are knock-off seats. If you are not worried about FIA approval and just want a sporty seat (why not just get s14 seats?) then they are just fine.

However, when everyone defending knock-offs is under the age of 21, that should mean something. Knock-offs are fine for low budget street use (maybe...), but I would not go touting how great they are and even attempt to put them through track abuse.

Actually my post was more for driftsilvia than you. You merely pointed out that they are not original designs... But i still believe calling them knock offs is somewhat pointless as well. We all know what Aerodesigns is. The OP was just plainly stating that the seats are the only interior modification the car does or soon will have.

I just feel like he's taking alot of heat (mostly unnecessary) for his choice in products. Does his car look like a huge track slut to you? Like he needs top of the line coilovers for all the insane time attack he does? Or like he need FIA approved seats for his work transportation/grocery getter?

Not at all. The coilovers will be fine for his application as long as he is happy with the level of ride harshness, and they don't blow. He wanted some not blown struts, that could slam his ride. Im sure the last thing he was thinking about before his purchase was how many seconds they could shave off his lap times or how much easier his drift transitions were going to be. And why get Aerodesigns seats over horrible looking seats from another 90's condition Nissan pair?..Simple! They look 10 times newer/nicer. Most s14 seats are grey or blue-ish.. Alot of people dont like that. And Aerodesigns will be much much more than "fine" for street use. Anyone who thinks their carbon/kevlar version seats are inferior for simply getting a daily work commute or grabbing some groceries...has to be an idiot.

[ineedone]

Actually my post was more for driftsilvia than you. You merely pointed out that they are not original designs... But i still believe calling them knock offs is somewhat pointless as well. We all know what Aerodesigns is. The OP was just plainly stating that the seats are the only interior modification the car does or soon will have.

I just feel like he's taking alot of heat (mostly unnecessary) for his choice in products. Does his car look like a huge track slut to you? Like he needs top of the line coilovers for all the insane time attack he does? Or like he need FIA approved seats for his work transportation/grocery getter?

Not at all. The coilovers will be fine for his application as long as he is happy with the level of ride harshness, and they don't blow. He wanted some not blown struts, that could slam his ride. Im sure the last thing he was thinking about before his purchase was how many seconds they could shave off his lap times or how much easier his drift transitions were going to be. And why get Aerodesigns seats over horrible looking seats from another 90's condition Nissan pair?..Simple! They look 10 times newer/nicer. Most s14 seats are grey or blue-ish.. Alot of people dont like that. And Aerodesigns will be much much more than "fine" for street use. Anyone who thinks their carbon/kevlar version seats are inferior for simply getting a daily work commute or grabbing some groceries...has to be an idiot.

Everyone likes cheap parts. However, us older folk have seen what happens to people with cheap suspension parts/wheels/seats. When you start to modify a car, you need to make sure there is a certain level of quality. I do not want to be the guinea pig for a company that is just making knock-offs. However, I am not immune to being in a pinch. I just would rather buy stock/close to stock if I am not able/willing to afford something that is not going to make me feel terrified every time I want to have fun in my car. We all have made these mistakes (at least once when we were your age), and we just want to let you "youngins" in on the secret :bow:.

[enkei2k]

us older folk....

holy crap you made me realize that (almost) everybody that posted here with their age listed is < 24 with the exception of 1-3 people that i'm sure are over 24. :bite:

[ineedone]

holy crap you made me realize that (almost) everybody that posted here with their age listed is < 24 with the exception of 1-3 people that i'm sure are over 24. :bite:

Yeah... I have never felt old before... then this thread.:bash:

[Metal Angel]

fuuuukkk.... at least you old guys have experience... I'm 24 in 2 months and I don't even have any experience... that just makes me old and stupid.

[hitman]

You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong.

How about you just suck these nuts?

Tein super drifts- GARBAGE. HKS- EXPENSIVE GARBAGE. JIC - JAPAN'S LEADER IN GARBAGE.

So you only have experience on the track with PBM coilovers? COOL.

You're the one who thinks they are THE SHIT because of the bandwagon.

Like do you seriously think a coilover that MSRP's at $1000 actually has good dampening? You're a bigger joke than the joke itself.

You know nothing about me either but I will continue to make assumptions about bitch ass fools like you that post up a fucking compression's graphs numbers when I KNOW FOR A FACT you know nothing of what that means nor do most people who are even engineers for a living. ARE YOU AN ENGINEER BRO?

Who runs PBM in competition? Matt Powers, Tommy Roberts (both are basically sponsored by the shop and both built their cars extremely cheap) and the fucking owner of the company in D1SL he better fucking run them if he's trying to sell his own product. You're a douche for thinking those factors mean anything.

Just because your PBM coilovers do the job does NOT mean they are any where near as good as better valved coilovers such as Stance, Zeal, or DG-5.

BTW, these NUTS- suck em.


you seriously dont know what you are talking about, you regurgitate what you read else where and try to claim it as legitimate info. Stance coilovers were tested on a 350z at Willow springs with Tyler McQuarrie driving and were slower than stock. how is that better? stop posting so much and learn more.

[Corbic]

you seriously dont know what you are talking about, you regurgitate what you read else where and try to claim it as legitimate info. Stance coilovers were tested on a 350z at Willow springs with Tyler McQuarrie driving and were slower than stock. how is that better? stop posting so much and learn more.

Link to article or it did not happen. I'd be curious if they used factory settings on the Stance or adjusted settings.


Also, while he is being a drama queen, he is partly right. PBM have been on shock-dyno's and proven to be in the same ball-park as Megans or Ksports. I would argue the real benefit with PBM would be a higher quality product... please remember quality /= performance.

[pacotaco345]

Seeing that my thread keeps getting bumped I guess I'll step in and say that it's been 3 weeks and these coils are still holding up, I've hit about 4 potholes, speedbumps in my school parking lot :hahano:.. couple of drifts, I'm getting my diff welded thursday hopefully so more drifting in the future and I'll let you know how that goes. Overall tho its a good product for the money. Key phrase - for the money... I would still much rather have tein pbm stance etc.. but this is what I could do, and I'm happy.

[yingiang]

glad to hear ! have fun with it

[TomShanK]

Hypercoil springs? Never heard of them.. gotta do some searching

Kinda a couple pages behind here, but I run these on my own race car (not a Nissan), we have about 15-20 of them stacked up for quick changes at the track, and they work amazing, we've ran on them all season and they are not losing their rating at all, whereas our Eibach's are about 50 pounds off what they were rated now, and they only have one season on them as well.

Would definitely recommend Hypercoil springs to anyone interested in them!!!
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs168.snc4/37744_411402407548_322964492548_4777835_5092684_n. jpg

Also, for the EMUSA argument: I'll probably be getting a set of these as well, simply because as stated: they're a fairly cheap coilover to get your car on the ground pretty much...
While I plan on attending an AutoX event here, a drift event there, I'll mostly be hardparking the crap out of the car, and thus see less of a point in investing $1200 on one part for a $1200 car (s13). However, in the event that I do, there might be a guy who got his FD license on a set of these babies....

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:CzI5QqRhVvjB6M:http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/dearderekking/Formula%20D%20Pro%20am/one5.jpg&t=1

[pacotaco345]

Well! Since this thread is back from the dead I guess I'll update on their performance... Its been about 2 months and I've started to notice some of the bad of these coils, they settled and the ride got a little better but on the other hand the picture you see of my car in this thread was too low. Although the coils are capable of going about an inch lower in the front and 2 in the back I had to raise it about a quarter inch to keep the tires from rubbing the front fender tubs under moderate cornering or any kind of bumps. I have mb 7X wheels 17x7 and I think +43 offset? or something crazy like that lol, with 215/45/17 riken raptors. Now that the car is raised a lil though, It only rubs under HARD cornering and pretty decent sized bumps, or if I have a heavyset fellow in the passenger seat. I was wondering if it was my coils that was causing the rubbing in the front, or just the fact that I have big wheels and tires on the car w no stretch to pull them smaller, because I would love to slam my car on these coils later on if possible. Anyways, if not I guess I'll deal with it or get some stiffer sway bars to help the body roll. All that said these coils are still holding up well and have no leaks or anything like that yet (knock on wood), the ride quality is pretty decent and the handling is good as well. All in all its still a good product for the money in my opinion.

[pacotaco345]

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e392/pacotaco345/DSC01459.jpg
Here's a pic of the car at current ride height, oh yeah I got a piggy lip too. I can't lower the front but what do you guys think about the rear height? an inch lower?

[jesse_s13]

i like the height....as far as quality i have springs so i cant talk shit. good luck

[97240TB]

Surprised this has surfaced again... It's your wheels that are the issue with the rubbing specifically your high as fuck offset! your next purchase should probably be a nice set of wheels that have a much lower offset.

[rat240]

lower the rear and check if your front wheels are rubbing on the body harness

[pacotaco345]

lower the rear and check if your front wheels are rubbing on the body harness
I tucked the body harness on both sides and hammered and pryed that seam up flat, its rubbing on the tub :(

[97240TB]

Telling you... Buy better fitting wheels dooder.... Or get big ass spacers.

[pacotaco345]

Telling you... Buy better fitting wheels dooder.... Or get big ass spacers.

I'm gonna get some 16x8 +0 or +15 sometime soon.. hopefully that'll fix it

[97240TB]

that'll do it.

[2point0]

I'm gonna get some 16x8 +0 or +15 sometime soon.. hopefully that'll fix it
Why would you get 16? Get 18!

[97240TB]

Why would you get 16? Get 18!

Couple of crucial reasons why he shouldn't go 18's.

1. It's a s-13 coupe... Biggest he should ever go is 17's they look perfect on these cars.

2. He's on a budget and he likes to slide occationally, buying 18 inch rubber isn't cost affective for him at all.

3. Shut up.

[pacotaco345]

Why would you get 16? Get 18!

lol I want a lower car.. less wheel gap.. easier to spin tires.. tires that I can find in a dumpster behind a car dealership.. less offset.. 18's would mean more rubbing, more weight, and worst of all more money. I'm 17 and I don't have a job lol, all I do is change people's oil and mount tires. If anyone near the temecula/murrietta/winchester area wants tires mounted for 5 bux a pop lemme know lol, will balance for free if you have your own weights.

[nismoracingsx]

16/17 ftw, but since you're throwing out the 8" width with a +15-20 offset, I'm guessing you're leaning towards XXR wheels? Those are their dominant sizes for us..

Jealous of your coupe, though :), my white coupe is still sitting on agx/skunk2's. But I don't drift or race, so I'm fine w/ what I got.

[pacotaco345]

Question! Is there an oem camber adjustment bolt somewhere on the front end?? Like on the inside of the lca, I've been messing with my camber and can't get the 2 sides equal, one is at zero and the other is maxed out at -1 with the camber plate to full positive. I'd go look but its dark out lol.

[jesse_s13]

how far are you from sac? haha i might take that tire offer.
and i have 18's in the back these tires are expensive as hell.!!!
lol I want a lower car.. less wheel gap.. easier to spin tires.. tires that I can find in a dumpster behind a car dealership.. less offset.. 18's would mean more rubbing, more weight, and worst of all more money. I'm 17 and I don't have a job lol, all I do is change people's oil and mount tires. If anyone near the temecula/murrietta/winchester area wants tires mounted for 5 bux a pop lemme know lol, will balance for free if you have your own weights.

[pacotaco345]

how far are you from sac? haha i might take that tire offer.
and i have 18's in the back these tires are expensive as hell.!!!
Haha I'm about 6 hours from sacramento, sorry man

[jesse_s13]

Now i have to do it myself and low pro's are a pain. oh well. so you just take tires from the back of dealerships?

[s13 @ fullboost]

Who runs PBM in competition? Matt Powers, Tommy Roberts (both are basically sponsored by the shop and both built their cars extremely cheap)



and both matt and tommy are motha fuckin bad asses all day everyday (just thought Id mention that)


anyways in regards to your coils man, If your happy that's what matters. You now know when its time to go coilover shopping whats good and whats better and whats just plain shitty. I personally feel you with the money budget I don't have ebay coils but I don't have 5,000 dg-5 ether (I would sure like some though) gave your ride a nice drop though enjoy and report =]

cheers mate

[pacotaco345]

Lowered the rear today! No more wheel gap, I think it looks beast.. Pics up tomorrow

[nismoracingsx]

interested to see more photos. Lurking on Zilvia is all I have to do on my days off while deployed -.o

[slider2828]

I think you have a really nice car.... Nice paint (considering zilvia) shits not all cracked like fiberglass and all that.... Keep it nice looking, stance is cool too.... There is no camber bolt in front....

[hellaslows13]

My friend with an s13 fastback bought these... I had to put them on his car... he too had blown shocks.

My review of them...

Lookscool...installs like shit...rides like shit.

BLOWN SHOCKS > THESE SHITTY COILS.

For anyone else looking to buy these.. save your $450...

I mean as long as you think you spent your $450 well then thats all that matters, its your money.


I'm 18.. I work at Jamba juice and they pay me shit... I still saved up enough money for decent coilovers for my s14 (apexi pro damper)

P.S. your car looks nice, id go lower.

[Corbic]

While I plan on attending an AutoX event here, a drift event there, I'll mostly be hardparking the crap out of the car, and thus see less of a point in investing $1200 on one part for a $1200 car (s13). However, in the event that I do, there might be a guy who got his FD license on a set of these babies....

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:CzI5QqRhVvjB6M:http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/dearderekking/Formula%20D%20Pro%20am/one5.jpg&t=1

Tha'd be Derrick King, an that car is LONG GONE.

[pacotaco345]

nismoracingsx, I'll have moar pics up tomorrow, and I mean that this time lol

slider, thanks and I fixed my front camber.. I was just checking it on a slanted surface before

hellaslow, jamba juice pays more than doing oil changes and mounting tires.. about ten times more, and these coils are 50x better than blown shocks.. Ya they were a bit of a PITA to get on the car but it wasn't bad, and I'm happy with them. And I DID go lower lol

[pacotaco345]

PICTURES!!!
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e392/pacotaco345/P1010042.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e392/pacotaco345/P1010037.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e392/pacotaco345/P1010039.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e392/pacotaco345/P1010032.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e392/pacotaco345/P1010028.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e392/pacotaco345/P1010044.jpg

[Corbic]

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e392/pacotaco345/P1010044.jpg

I can totally tell from the picture how much better your car rides and performs!!

:down:

[Nick_04K]

Get 17's... maybe even 18's. For tires just do a little shopping (Google shopping button) for some cheap tires that have a good tread wear rating. 16's are just too small to look good. If you want to slide still... keep your old rims or buy used 16's that you can just slap some of those dumpster spec wheels on every now and then.

[spg240sx]

I hate to bump this thread, but I'm sure plenty of other people are curious as well....

It has now been over a year since the OP installed these coils. What's the verdict one year later? Pro's, Cons, etc?

[OBEEWON]

He can't post. They exploded and killed someone in their face and he was convicted of manslaughter due to negligence.

[doke! ドリフト]

:eek: twist ending...poor lil fella

[pacotaco345]

Hahaha well this thread is back from the dead... The coils did me well, if a semi-comfortable ride and looking cool is what you want, these are for you. If you want to know how low they went, I did a test to find out, removed all collars, rested the front spring on the big collar and perch, and drooped the back spring down to the mount (2 inches of droop ZOMG).. Was about an inch away from laying frame on 15's. I ran over a 3 foot deep, 2 foot wide pothole with them and they didn't blow. I took them to the track though and they allowed a lil bit too much body roll, car was all over the place. I think the right rear might have blown but I'm not sure... I had them on my car for just under a year and they held up pretty well for what I paid. Anyways, I traded them +$180 and a stock steering wheel for some 8 month old PBM's, but now I'm in Texas at college and my car is sitting in my garage back home with what I'm hoping is a dead ecu. If you have any more questions feel free to ask.

[pacotaco345]

Summary...
Pros:
$400 Shipped to my door
Went pretty low
Rode pretty well
Looked cool (could say I had coils on my car)
Withstood uber pothole at 30 ish mph in the dark and rain
Cons:
One of them blew?.. idk
Have to droop the rears to make it look good
No adjustable dampening
Front's would rub the inside of my tires if the spring wasn't in there just right (PBM's I have now don't)
A lil too soft (front tires would also rub the shock tower if I cornered hard, PBM's I have now are lower than the ebay's and don't rub)
VERDICT
If you're broke and you wanna look cool like I was/am get these

[h2v7]

how much you pay for used pbms

[pacotaco345]

I traded these coils plus $180 and a oem steering wheel

[pacotaco345]

Since I made this thread and I feel like whoring my car since I miss it lol:
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e392/pacotaco345/IMAG0163.jpg
3rd time I had the motor out (stupid timing chain rattle)
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e392/pacotaco345/IMAG0174.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e392/pacotaco345/IMAG0176.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e392/pacotaco345/IMAG0154-1.jpg

kinda thinking of copying TrustS13 and taking off my piggy lip and some rota grids.. I also have a spoiler thats sitting in my garage, just gotta get it running right again first.
EDIT These pics are with the PBM's

[h2v7]

keep lip on. grids are not bad. as far as cheap nice wheels i have been eyeballing the shit out of xxr 527s

[Kevin_S14]

ebay happened.

[pacotaco345]

ebay happened.

uhhhhh... I don't get it...

[ka24debt]

Got tail lights, still waiting on the lower piece but impatience got the best of me
http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m530/ka24debt/IMG_20110929_151022.jpg

And got a heatshield and a friend powercoated it for me
http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m530/ka24debt/IMG_20110922_154659.jpg

[ZilviaKid]

do people even look at the thread before they post?

this is a shit tier coil over review thread buddy

[1gr8bar10der]

Got tail lights, still waiting on the lower piece but impatience got the best of me
And got a heatshield and a friend powercoated it for me

nice car, wrong thread ............lmao!!

[TougeLabs]

You could of easily found a set of used coils here for a few hundred more...Good luck !

[Nick_04K]

Ka24debt is balling with Kouki aero! Needs new paint ASAP though brother.

[Ilya]

please dont ruin your trunk with a spoiler!!! maybe get another truck with a spoiler and put a spoiler on top of the spoiler (Xzibit (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CC8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.xzibit.com%2F&rct=j&q=xzibit&ei=8dWITq3zEafViAL7zezHDA&usg=AFQjCNHdo_07u_6qLP0FM_XfwsMJrhgwmw&cad=rja) voice) and save the good trunk!

[pacotaco345]

please dont ruin your trunk with a spoiler!!! maybe get another truck with a spoiler and put a spoiler on top of the spoiler (Xzibit (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CC8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.xzibit.com%2F&rct=j&q=xzibit&ei=8dWITq3zEafViAL7zezHDA&usg=AFQjCNHdo_07u_6qLP0FM_XfwsMJrhgwmw&cad=rja) voice) and save the good trunk!

lol I painted and did bodywork on the car myself in my garage, so its not like I'm drilling into pristine 20 year old paint that I don't appreciate. And I still have more paint so I could always grab a trunk from a junkyard and re-do it. Btw I said spoiler not wing too

[pacotaco345]

You could of easily found a set of used coils here for a few hundred more...Good luck !

If you missed it I have pbm's on my car now that I got essentially for 600 dollars

[ka24debt]

Lol woops.. shoulda paid attention. I thought "bought these today" and u post what u bought lmao

[bigs]

I ran over a 3 foot deep, 2 foot wide pothole with them and they didn't blow.

Are you sure it wasn't a sinkhole?

[fliprayzin240sx]

Are you sure it wasn't a sinkhole?


It was this pothole...




http://bestvacationdealstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Grand-Canyon1.jpg

[JDM king240]

i used to have some on mine and it was bumpy as hell i took them off 2 weeks after and got some cutom hand built zenkouku performence coilover fully adjustible for 800 dollars and they are just as good as pdm coils or stance coils

[pacotaco345]

i used to have some on mine and it was bumpy as hell i took them off 2 weeks after and got some cutom hand built zenkouku performence coilover fully adjustible for 800 dollars and they are just as good as pdm coils or stance coils

Haha as long as you're happy with what you have. I was happy with my e-gays for the time but the PBM's I have now are 20x better imo

[towlie]

I can't wait to sell my PBM's and move up the coilover ladder.

Does Silkroad still produce coils?

[user name!]

sorrymsglength

[Irresistible]

Why don't you guys just cut your springs? Same shit.

Also, welcome back dead thread... again.

[pacotaco345]

How are these now? I bet they feel like PBM after all this time

Really? First post.. Quoted for being stupid. GTFO of my thread and stop trolling zilvia by bumping year old theads. Its people like you who ruin the site for everyone.

[user name!]

Really? First post.. Quoted for being stupid. GTFO of my thread and stop trolling zilvia by bumping year old theads. Its people like you who ruin the site for everyone.
YouknowyouwantthecockGeoff.