240sx 13b swap?

[onlydrinkkoolaid]

Ok here is the subject at hand. I have this crazy idea again of doing an 13B swap into a 240.... As far as I know its not been done yet in the s-chassis but maybe I havent looked hard enough. My friend is practically giving me the motorset for a price Im not able to say because part of the agreement. So basically any insight or postive ideas I welcome key word POSITIVE please post

[roboticnissan]

actually i think his zilvian name is UNITEDMASTER he has one in his coupe running and competing in roadrace iirc. but it looks sweet do it regardless of you being the first

[Junk240]

Damn never seen that before,try it outtt

[s13love-green]

Do it. 13b n/a?

[ILoveMyRHS13]

I think it'd be neat.
http://www.nopistons.com/forums/uploads/post-9259-1106929729_thumb.jpg

[slideslidegnarslide]

obvi been done before but still a very cool swap

[blackoutt]

http://zilvia.net/f/engine-tech/329689-13b-s14.html

Don't do it unless you know a lot about rotaries.

[onlydrinkkoolaid]

yes I want to keep it N/A and I have a friend who owns a machine shop that ports rotary engines

I have decide that I want to use stainless steel for my bracket design manily because I get a great deal on the price

but the wiring is where I might have to bite the bullet and send it somewhere.... I would rather go to a school and learn then have to send out another harness but its the name of the game

[slideslidegnarslide]

hey man get in touch with zerolift autolab they were gonna help a guy out a while back i know they have seen this done and would prolly know better than half the people on here

[onlydrinkkoolaid]

http://zilvia.net/f/engine-tech/329689-13b-s14.html

Don't do it unless you know a lot about rotaries.


And yes I know how to work on rotory engines with the added benefit of having about six friends who all build and race rotary engines

[onlydrinkkoolaid]

hey man get in touch with zerolift autolab they were gonna help a guy out a while back i know they have seen this done and would prolly know better than half the people on here


Zerolift autolab has there hands on everything in the conversion world I'll defiantely send them a PM

[Nick_04K]

Wasn't there a 13b swap thread on NICO awhile back?... Don't know what ever came of it though. But IMHO, not worth it at all unless your getting a killer deal on your parts!

[slideslidegnarslide]

good call lmk wheather you decide to do it or not

[onlydrinkkoolaid]

I could never find it but this is not supposed to be cheap its just supposed to be different there are tons of s-chassis conversions I just want to keep adding to that list...

I have also been working on a buddies V-10 viper motorset swap for like 8months now and we choose to ignore the prices for the most part and just keep fabricating and cutting the cost of the build as much as we can

[Nick_04K]

I agree it's a cool swap! And by no means am i trying to discourage you from doing it... but it has been done before, and i think considering the power vs time/money/effort that its going to cost you another swap might be a better option. Props to you if you do decide to go this route though!

[onlydrinkkoolaid]

Im already working on a 1jz swap myself its not about the power or necessarly the cost but the rareness of swap in the S-chassis... There will always be cheaper swaps but im just doing some research...

like I said the motorset is low hundreds i mean low hundered and I dont really plan on it being a DD not saying that you cant but its just for the challenge and that sweet sweet joy of saying I did this if anything

[slideslidegnarslide]

if i had the money that you had id be all about it to i would love to get involved in something a project like that fabing stuff is awsome

[onlydrinkkoolaid]

Its not that I have money im still in college making 9.00 working on trying to become an EMT FIREFIGHTER its just when I get a vison man I invison big.... Ideas are always popping into my head just like the idea of starting my own Custom shop after I complete my 1jz build which has taken me up till this point 2years and still counting

[Drifting-pedobear]

sounds retarded.

[nismoracingsx]

if you wanted truely rare, you wouldn't use one of the most commonly known engines in the rwd community. nifty idea, i suppose, but just seems pointless and waste.

if you're gonna bastardize another 240 w/ a non-nissan motor, stick something random in there, you're sure to be the only one =p

just stuff an acura RL motor or a motor from a CR-V in there. Hell, steal a diesel engine from a volvo and turbo the crap out of it, that would be rare to see, indeed.
I don't recall seeing any diesel 240's out there...

[lazysk8er2]

yep the only swap i havnt seen yet is the ej20/25. besides that might as well get an rx7 atleast they have 50/50 weight.

Ive heard of hyabusa engines going to fiats and other tiny cars maybe consider that?

[onlydrinkkoolaid]

if you wanted truely rare, you wouldn't use one of the most commonly known engines in the rwd community. nifty idea, i suppose, but just seems pointless and waste.

if you're gonna bastardize another 240 w/ a non-nissan motor, stick something random in there, you're sure to be the only one =p

just stuff an acura RL motor or a motor from a CR-V in there. Hell, steal a diesel engine from a volvo and turbo the crap out of it, that would be rare to see, indeed.
I don't recall seeing any diesel 240's out there...


what? who cares where it comes from a motor is a motor point blank and simple
a good motor is a good motor regardless of where its from just my .02 cents

and I would rather use a F20b instead of a RL motor just because I prefer the sound of that motor more

and RARE doesnt mean only one it means not common geese....

but anyways thanks for your opinion

[onlydrinkkoolaid]

yep the only swap i havnt seen yet is the ej20/25. besides that might as well get an rx7 atleast they have 50/50 weight.

Ive heard of hyabusa engines going to fiats and other tiny cars maybe consider that?


I have consider doing a SUBI engine but I want everything AWD and all if I ever go that route just my opinion

[!Zar!]

I want a 240sx powered by dicks.

[ThatGuy]

it means not common geese....

Are these common geese?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/72/Geese_Fruggo02.JPG


If you want to swap it, then do it.

Why did you need to start a thread about it?

[Corbic]

Ok here is the subject at hand. I have this crazy idea again of doing an 13B swap into a 240.... As far as I know its not been done yet in the s-chassis but maybe I havent looked hard enough. My friend is practically giving me the motorset for a price Im not able to say because part of the agreement. So basically any insight or postive ideas I welcome key word POSITIVE please post

Done many years ago. I have an Australian Magazine with a Blue Silvia rocking a 13BEW single.

[Corbic]

yes I want to keep it N/A and I have a friend who owns a machine shop that ports rotary engines



It will have less power then a KA24DE:wtf:

[s2kguy17]

Street Port it but just use factory seals..its all about the tune just a lot of people are scared of the engine cause of detonation & the $.

[fliprayzin240sx]

It will have less power then a KA24DE:wtf:

Thats what I was thinking...why go 13B NA? I understand if its a turbo 13B.

[widebodyseven]

Do it!

I've always wanted to do this swap but with a turbo engine in a s14 chassis.

[smelly240]

doesnt ross petty have one of these already?

[ericcastro]

It will have less power then a KA24DE:wtf:


thats what i thought.
pretty dumb.

A 13b was a out dated nissan swap a loooong time ago. (or i should say datsun swap, same thing though)

Turbo could be interesting, but i dont see the point.

And then the Op states he wants to do something different, so we tell him its old news and give some other options, and he states he isnt doing it to be different????????

I just finished a 16 hours shift, maybe i missed something :)

[SpurlingBuilt]

do it bro, who cares what everybody esle says, swap it, an get it sideways at 10,000 rpms all day with no problem.

[Corbic]

do it bro, who cares what everybody esle says, swap it, an get it sideways at 10,000 rpms all day with no problem.

Yeah... 10k on a street port 13B... :squint:

OP could at least "try" and use a Renesis. Then you would at least have an engine lighter then a SR/KA and putting out about the same power as the standard SR with BPUs and it would no doubt cost the same or less.

$2,800 for the full swap

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/RX8-Engine-swap-Renesis-rx7-rotary-complete-68k-/330451410793?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4cf0705f69

[K_style]

doesnt ross petty have one of these already?


His S14 had it.. but it has SR now..
he told me it's too much money to finish it..

[!Zar!]

thats what i thought.
pretty dumb.

A 13b was a out dated nissan swap a loooong time ago. (or i should say datsun swap, same thing though)

Turbo could be interesting, but i dont see the point.

And then the Op states he wants to do something different, so we tell him its old news and give some other options, and he states he isnt doing it to be different????????

I just finished a 16 hours shift, maybe i missed something :)
Yeah, 13b is a pretty dumb swap. I could understand if it was for a drag racing application. I've seen quite a few ae86 corolla's do that.
Yeah... 10k on a street port 13B... :squint:

OP could at least "try" and use a Renesis. Then you would at least have an engine lighter then a SR/KA and putting out about the same power as the standard SR with BPUs and it would no doubt cost the same or less.

$2,800 for the full swap

RX8 Engine swap Renesis rx7 rotary complete 68k : eBay Motors (item 330451410793 end time Aug-12-10 23:25:49 PDT) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/RX8-Engine-swap-Renesis-rx7-rotary-complete-68k-/330451410793?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4cf0705f69)
The Renesis is shittier than the 13b; primary reason is due to the intake and exhaust port location.

[Metal Angel]

do a 4b11 swap. i heard you can turn it straight and hook up a rb25 tranny. that would be rare without being stupid like a deisel volvo swap...

[AeroDesigns]

If N/A.. NO. But T2 would look sexyy as hell in a S chassis!!

DO IT!! =P (Post pics plzz)

[onlydrinkkoolaid]

Yes Im doing some extensive research into fitment issues.. So I been measuring like a mad scientist just trying to get rough ideas on different motor lengths,heights,and widths. I know i didnt really specify which 13b but it would be from an 95 RX-7 chassis so yes it would be boosted... If I go that route.... but I wont rule out anything even trying to shove a 4B11 or an EJ255 engine This build has to get the approval of my Two other Fabricators before we start buying anything

[wings_s13]

boooo go kill your self and get a honda!!! FAIL

[PSYCHOCAT562]

doesnt ross petty have one of these already?[QUOTE] yeah a kouki

[PSYCHOCAT562]

His S14 had it.. but it has SR now..
he told me it's too much money to finish it..
dam sux i wanted to see it when it was done

[spools420a]

boooo go kill your self and get a honda!!! FAIL
I hope knowone buys your engine with that comment.

[h2v7]

would love a wrx sti engine in my 240....

[bb4_96]

^ too wide

[smelly240]

i think a flat engine is too wide for the engine bay of a s chassis.

[swpdwgn]

fucking ricer kid. why make things difficult and throw some shitty mazda motor in a 240? why do you even own a 240? GO DIE.

[KrazyS13]

Why is it that so many people think rare=cool and unique? Just because it's rare doesnt always make it cool or unique. Sometime stuff is rare for a reason.... Cause it's just stupid.

With that being said, do it if you want. You'll waste a lot of money and probably regret doing it later on down the road.

For the record, I've had an RX7 and I love rotary engines. However, I find many other 240 swaps to be just as rare(atleast around here), waaay more practical and rewarding.

[Metal Angel]

did someone say rare swap?
http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Rod09/Event/Bonneville09/240/IMG_1341.jpg

[onlydrinkkoolaid]

man geez why do people on these forums get so angry...... Its almost childish that they cant express there opinion without wanting someone to die or Fail in life hahaha geez but nevertheless I thanks you for your opinions

[franklin93zx]

Hamster Powered Car FTW

[h2v7]

wtf engine is in the toy lookin car

[XxCAPTAINxX]

i say sell it then save up some money and get a 20b with ITB's if you want something different and crazy. and dont listen to the haters do what you want. if you go with it make a build thread.

[510-SR20DET]

ok from my understanding is that people trying to get rid of 13B because of heat issues and swap LS1 in RX7. but seems like you rather take the reliable SR out of your 240sx and asking for trouble by putting in 13B.
i dont get it.

[lazysk8er2]

do a 4b11 swap. i heard you can turn it straight and hook up a rb25 tranny. that would be rare without being stupid like a deisel volvo swap...


the hyundai genisis 2.0t engine is pretty similar to the 4b11 might as well do that.


or super rare 2009 gtr swap.
:fruit:
or how bout a bmw v12 motor they swap those into e30's
:fruit:
or how about a porche carerra motor and put it in the back thats rare.
:fruit:
or how about make the 240sx fwd now theres an idea.
:fruit:
or make a hybrid or all electric motor atleast you can go green like the RUF porche.


:duh:

[!Zar!]

Why is it that so many people think rare=cool and unique? Just because it's rare doesnt always make it cool or unique. Sometime stuff is rare for a reason.... Cause it's just stupid.
Best post in this thread.

[atutt]

wtf engine is in the toy lookin car

It's a Buick Inline 8... It used to have a 4 or 5oo+ Aurora Indy V8... Spun to like 9 or 10,000 RPM...
Car is built specifically for land speed records. Won whatever class it was in with the Aurora V8. Now they swapped motors to compete in whatever class required the Buick Inline 8.


the hyundai genisis 2.0t engine is pretty similar to the 4b11 might as well do that.
I thought they were the same. Just de-tuned.

or super rare 2009 gtr swap.
:fruit:
There are probably a dozen people on Zilvia who could actually afford to do something that crazy

or how bout a bmw v12 motor they swap those into e30's
:fruit:
That would actually be pretty sweet. The sound alone would be worth it.

or how about a porche carerra motor and put it in the back thats rare.
:fruit:
Or how about putting a KA in the front of a Carrera???? lol

or how about make the 240sx fwd now theres an idea.
:fruit:
They did. It was called the 200sx, or NX2000, or Pulsar... Or whatever

or make a hybrid or all electric motor atleast you can go green like the RUF porche.
Someone made an all electric S13. Don't think it did much but sit around.
What's the point of buying a RUF to go green? lol

:duh:

[NoPistons!]

http://zilvia.net/f/engine-tech/329689-13b-s14.html

Don't do it unless you know a lot about rotaries.

There's not much to know.....

Just gut your 240 harness keeping only what you need and patch it into the rx7 harness. You can get pinouts for both ecus and full wire diagrams so that's easy.

Transmission lines up (sr and ka swap has been done in fc's with the shifter lining up so i assume it's vice versa).

It's spinning triangles. Pretty damn basic if you ask me. The rule is, tune rich, do oiling mods and keep it cool. You should be ok if you do all that stuff.


N/A rotaries are heaps realiable as long as you treat it right (you can beat on it all day. Dont think i'm implying you should "baby" the throttle ever....). When you throw high boost in, you should anticipate blowing it up atleast twice, maybe more. Even stock engines on stock boost have chipped/blown apex seals in rotor savvy hands. Things like a wideband, egt, water injection, premixing, compression testing...etc... That stuff can keep you from blowing a shitload of money rebuilding over and over and over again. If it were me, i wouldn't do it. After i blow my engine up, i'm saving it for a multi-year-long 4 rotor project and swapping a 1jz in place of the rotary, permanantly. They're ok engines, i'm just a fan of 3 and 4 rotor n/a engines. Reliable, torque and a sound that will make you ejaculate through your ears.

I would advice you to buy an rx8 over swapping a renesis in. Full side port engine IS more fuel efficient and all but housing exhaust ports are THE SHIT for making big power. You can evacuate ALOT of heat/gas out of those things VERY quickly. It's a direct in/out. Bit more dirty and rich running but parts are available cheap if you look in the right places. Renesis irons/housings (used or new) probably cost a kings ransom. I haven't looked because their still relatively new and the 13b/13bt/rew/re engines are everywhere and can be had cheap. Parts to make it work are there and easily found.... It's EASIER. You're already tackling one headache by rotor swapping your car. Dont add to it trying to mess with all the complicated bullshit that is the renesis.... The entire vdi system is a mess and it wont make SHIT for power if it's not operating correctly... That being said, rx8's are pretty gutless anyway. Balanced car, just gutless...

[onlydrinkkoolaid]

thanks again for the useful info and input.... NoPistons! and lazysk8er2

I thought GTR but even with my reliable used parts websites that search the country those engines are going for like 13grand plus. No manual tranny setup so a sequential would be I best bet but between the motor and tranny thats around 20grand easily getting it put in the car... It would be nice to be the first just because so many guys jack off to that car which for the record I hate....

I have seen v10 M5 motors with the 6speed tranny for cheaper and to be honest I prefer the sound of that motor then a GTR.

The hybrid electric idea was a thought but Holy crap man the TECH involved in one of those things are far and beyond my build crew for right now.... I have worked on a few hybrid hondas while I was a tech at Honda in my town and can I say what a pain what a pain in the butt.


right now we just looking around the market for each engine especially into the M5 V10 because we like the N/A power and we figure some tweeks here and there could get us around the 550hp plus range which is more than enough to drift,drag,auto X, in a S-chassis AND for heavens sake please dont say or begin anything with LS, VH, swap.... I know its a great idea but please I have seen way and I mean way too many of those

someone will probably say fail, go die, worst thread ever just put a sr, go RB, or 1j/2j thats the way it takes to monkeys in a tree picking and scratching the butt to come up with that ingenious idea