S14 title transfer and SMOG

[TravisSW]

Going to keep this as short and to the point as possible:

Sold my 95 S14. When I owned it, it passed smog fine with flying colors.

Now I recently sold it and the new owner is having issues making it pass SMOG. Failed 3x.

They are saying that the seller is responsible for the SMOG. Even if as is.

When the car was bought, they said they'll take care of the SMOG.

So what I want to know is. Are the sellers really responsible for SMOG? Even if the new owner said they'd take care of it?

Here is a copy of the SMOG report. What could be causing it to fail? The engine is pure stock besides the KN drop in filter.

Picture of the results:
SMOG.jpg picture by Paranoia2MB - Photobucket (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v155/Paranoia2MB/?action=view&current=SMOG.jpg)


I don't want to leave them hanging, if I can help them pass SMOG then I shall. Maybe slap on a second cat?

[nathanong87]

ummm i'm pretty sure that's the responsibility of the new owner....

[RSDogFighters]

The law states the seller is responsible for smog UNLESS you have written paperwork saying the car is being sold "AS-IS". The important part is that you must something in writing - a verbal agreement never holds up.

[upsdude]

the seller's responsible for that? wow just learned something.

[!Zar!]

I am way too lazy to flip my head upside down to try and read that shit. Why is it failing?

FYI people, legally it is the sellers responsibility to smog the car.

[rob22]

i couldve sworn its the buyers job.

[hOngsterr]

its not your responsibility. and the smog shop can just tell them what needs to be fixed.

[TravisSW]

Well how do I prove it to them if it isn't the sellers responsibility? If it is true?

[ddf2006]

i was always told that u cant sell a car without smogging it first??? idk but the smog station can tell them wat is needed to pass

[510-SR20DET]

First of all, flip the damn photo, i got a headache trying to read it.
Second, If its really like what you said that both parties agreed the car will be bought as is then its the buyer responsibility.
Third, you can ask the shop which you can trust to tell you what to fix. Its not a biggy.

[RPS13fan]

Check dmv.ca.gov if you want to make sure who is responsible for smogging the car. However i'm pretty sure the seller is supposed to smog it for the buyer.

[Om1kron]

its not your responsibility. and the smog shop can just tell them what needs to be fixed.

um yes it is....

Requirements after selling a vehicle.

When selling a California registered vehicle, the registered owner of record must:

Release ownership by signing on line one of the title.
If the vehicle is, or was financed, the lienholder’s name appears in the legal owner section and their release with counter signature is required on line two.
Provide the purchaser with evidence of a valid smog certification, if applicable.
Smog certificates are good for 90 days from the date of inspection. The smog certification is not required if the owner or buyer signs a statement that smog certification was submitted with renewal fees within 90 days prior to the transfer date (a vehicle inspection report may be required for proof of certification).

Recent legislation changed the requirements for vehicle transfers occurring on or after January 1, 2005. When you transfer a vehicle that is four or less model years old a smog certification will not be required. The four or less model years old rule does not apply to diesel powered vehicles. A smog transfer fee will be collected from the new owner. When a vehicle is more than four model years old, evidence of a current smog certification must be provided by a seller except when the following occurs:
The transfer occurs between a spouse, domestic partner, sibling, child, parent, grandparent, or grandchild.
A biennial smog certification was submitted to DMV within 90 days prior to the vehicle transfer date (a vehicle inspection report may be required for proof of certification).
Provide the odometer mileage if the vehicle is less than 10 years old (Vehicle/Vessel Transfer and Reassignment Form, REG 262). If the title does not have a designated space for this information, a REG 262 reporting the odometer mileage must be signed by both the seller and buyer. The REG 262 cannot be copied. An original must be submitted. To obtain a form by mail, call DMV's automated phone service 24 hours a day, 7 days a week at 1-800-777-0133. To speak to an operator call between the hours of 8 a.m. and 5 p.m. Monday - Friday, Pacific Standard Time, or pick one up from your local DMV.
Protect Your Liability. Complete a Notice of Transfer and Release of Liability. The seller is responsible for reporting the change of ownership to DMV within 5 days from the date of sale. After DMV updates the information from the Notice of Transfer and Release of Liability, you will be cleared from future liability on the vehicle. The purchaser is responsible for reporting the change of ownership to DMV within 10 days from the date of purchase.

[midnite]

close thread.....

[TravisSW]

^^
Si.

Damn message length.

[Sam_Well.13]

Why did it fail smog? Doesnt help if the picture you put up is upside down. It is the buyers responsibility to smog a vehicle before selling it.. and it is the law.. but the rules for the DMV is also states for the buyer "buyers beware".

[stinky_180]

It is the buyers responsibility to smog a vehicle before selling it..

da hell?

hey travis, how much did you sell your s14 for? let me know via pm. about to put mine on the market, later this summer..

[driftn_silvia]

Hey well if i see correctly your HC (ppm) is a slight higher that the max... a few percent... and if IRCC its hydrocarbons and its related to gas... Tell buyer to run 91 octane for a week or so. and when taking the test to run it at 91 octane. Could of been running cheap gas.

[Sam_Well.13]

da hell?

hey travis, how much did you sell your s14 for? let me know via pm. about to put mine on the market, later this summer..
dont what the hell me, im just agreein with what om1kron posted....brah

[Forge_55b]

So you have high HC right? That means you have bad combustion, ie fuel isn't burning completely ie you are rich which is usually a bad ignition system. Check sparks, spark wires and distributor I suppose. Not sure how well versed you are in figuring this out if you couldn't just do a google search on the smog results.

[Forge_55b]

Hey well if i see correctly your HC (ppm) is a slight higher that the max... a few percent... and if IRCC its hydrocarbons and its related to gas... Tell buyer to run 91 octane for a week or so. and when taking the test to run it at 91 octane. Could of been running cheap gas.

ok higher octane does not mean it will run cleaner.......octane is a fuels tolerance to "knock" which on a stock KA should not require more then 87

[!Zar!]

It is the buyers responsibility to smog a vehicle before selling it..

da hell?

dont what the hell me, im just agreein with what om1kron posted....brah

He said, "da hell?" because it is the SELLERS responsibility. Not the buyers.
You combined the buyer and the seller into one person... or something like that.

[TravisSW]

I'm letting the new owner know what it may be, but I'm going to get them a new/used cat and send it over.

Anybody have a cat for sell? lol


/edit add-on
new owner said they replaced/checked them after the first attempt

[scuba_steve91]

Damn, everyone is so misinformed when it comes to this. No wonder I see so much people selling cars without smog, saying that buyer smogs. Gets pretty annoying.

[Forge_55b]

a new cat might help but probably won't keep your fuel from burning completely.....

[sleep]

Not sure how well versed you are in figuring this out if you couldn't just do a google search on the smog results.

^that ..............

[Lith]

Sorry, I'm not sure about the law in California, since I don't live there.
But just for info, most KA's have pretty high HC for some reason. I know this from my car (which is pretty much stock when it comes to the engine. I don't even have an intake on it.) and also from other people that did emissions on their fairly stock KA's.

Check the timing and try to adjust it (retard it or advance it a little bit) and see if that lowers the HC count. It should decrease it. But be careful since that will also increase/decrease the NOx levels.

If just the NOx is high, then that's an issue with the EGR system. Not sure what you can do there, other than to check it thoroughly. Just follow the FSM.

And high CO2 count is of course the cat itself. Since the new owner replaced it, that shouldn't be an issue anymore.

I would definitely check the ignition system first and try to adjust the timing.

[Sam_Well.13]

im trippin. ahaha

but usually the buyer need to smog the car. ive buy and sell cars. and some i bought thats been smogged and still within the 90 days and i didnt need to smog again to transfer, others i have to smog under my name after registration.

from what i recall. CALI cars need smog every 2-3 yrs before 2005(ithink) if you sold it and smog is still good through your name, for the new owner to take over ownership of the vehicle, they would have to smog it again. Doesnt matter if the car is not due for another 2 yrs.

[illmatic_S14]

I live in california and have a 95 s14 also that I bought. I went to get it smogged and wouldnt pass wasn't a big surprise. The person who did my smog told me that it didn't passed and asked if a bought the car. Told him yeah and he said that the seller is responsible for it passing smog. Didn't want to waste money on the engine since I'm planning on doing a swap so I just illegally passed it.

[nka203]

Seller is responsible. its on the CA DMV website... I made the buyer sign something saying they'll take care of the smog in case they threaten me with some legal bs

source:
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/vr/smogfaq.htm#BM2535

When a vehicle is more than four model years old, a seller must provide evidence of a current smog certification except when one of the following occurs:

The transfer occurs between a spouse, domestic partner, sibling, child, parent, grandparent, or grandchild.

A biennial smog certification was submitted to DMV within 90 days prior to the vehicle transfer date (a vehicle inspection report may be required for proof of certification).

Smog certifications are good for 90 days from the date of issuance.

[Om1kron]

have they tried to sea-foam the car?

[MADE]

As mention and according to CA DMV is your responsibility and it should have been done within so many days of selling the car. If the person is close I'd borrow it back to smog it yourself, which might save you alot of money/time.

[TravisSW]

Well the SMOG paperwork didn't come in til the day that they actually bought the car lol.

And also, I didn't know the previous owner was supposed to SMOG it. Out of all the cars my friends have sold or the one my family has sold. Never heard of them smogging it before hand.