drift suspension setup

[junintegra]

im gong to dump abou $2000 into a drift/circuit suspension setup. it is a daily driver also, but could care less. anyways i need advice on the FIRST things to get. heres my list so far: (please post your opnio on wat andnot wha to get)

COILOVERS-Tein ha
SWAYBARS-Suspension Tecniques
STRUT BARS-JIC
UNDER FRAME BRACE-JIC

please post what yu think is bet to buy and other possible upgrads

[Dousan_PG]

your wasting your money

first
learn stock suspension w/ open diff (or VLSD whatever your car comes with)

when you get good (that's when people start to think you have LSD and suspensino).

then upgrade

when u upgrade this is basically ALL YOU NEED

coilovers (Tein HE or JIC FLT-A2 is good entry level)
2 way LSD (clutch type, KAAZ, Nismo, Tomei, etc)
racing seat of some sort (sparco, corbeau, bride, etc)
stbs (JIC, pilot..whatever)
good tires (your choice of brand)

that's all.
dont waste your money on sway bars and under body bracing busienss. stiff coilovers will do the job. that isif you are on a budget. if u have lots of money, go for it

btw, tires cost a grip. so save some money for that. expect to pay about 100-300+ per month on tires, depending on what you use and new orused tires

the key to a good drift car...IS THE DRIVER

[junintegra]

great reply, but i am on a budget. the jic's are on top but are like 1800 apposed to 1100 for tein he's. this is also on a 91 mr2. iv heard tons of posts here bashing tein but this is also street car and ar overall good. please, keep up the posts.

[Dousan_PG]

this is for MR2....oooh hard to say. i know s13 drift setup, not mr2, MR is different and youneed to build around that and balance it out i think..not too sure though.

tough to say for MR2. i know s13/s14 setup for drift

[junintegra]

yea i figured it would be a whole diferent ball park considring its MR.i bascally wanted to get a good grasp on a good suspenion setup.
any other items recomended? tension rods, pillow ball mounts,name brand tires, companies, etc???

[TRUENOCOUPE]

Theres not really a DRIFT SET UP. Its really what the driver prefers.

I can have my front spring rates lower that the rear but other drifters do the other way.

This is why learn the basic things and your stock and from there notice every little thing that the car "OR" driver needs.

Goodluck.

[junintegra]

well if you all could, just post your own drift setups and cars not just for me, but for all who want to know the same question im asking. also considering most the people readin this have silvias any ways.i only came to this forum asking this question cuz i knew the silvias are THE cars to drift and figured you guys had the most experience. so we can have this forum usefull to others.

[Dousan_PG]

noooo
silvias are not 'the' drift car!

this thread sucks. learn on what fits YOU best.

[JasonNagra]

Originally posted by dousan36
your wasting your money

first
learn stock suspension w/ open diff (or VLSD whatever your car comes with)

when you get good (that's when people start to think you have LSD and suspensino).

then upgrade

[/B]

DAMN STRAIGHT! Be like Mav1178, he drifts open diff and ROCKS MY SOCKS!! <---- That may have been pretty gay, but I was VERY impressed he was doing what he was doing on open diff:eek:

[nocomedown]

Originally posted by junintegra
also considering most the people readin this have silvias any ways.
actually, not to be picky, but only a handful of people reading this have silvias...the vast majority of us own 240SXs...quite a difference

[krazy_racer]

awww c'mon its not that big of a difference... only an sr... he he


BTW: can you actually "drift" a mr? i doubt it... you can get it do drag the *** around but drift? i think the rear is too heavy to lose traction

[junintegra]

your gonna try and tell me, sivias arent "The" car to drift?? go get an option video or street drifting and tell me what 75% of the cars drifting are. is ithrd to contribute you suspension setup, if any, just help round out what is good out there?? just once id like to go to a forum where people answer questions instead of flame. in fact, everyone is gong to flame me cuz of my last statement.
anyways, if you think drifting mr2's and losing traction is impossible?? surely you jest. sure they have great traction launches, but if you clutch kick at 45 mph, you will lose every bit of traction, regarless of weight.and go tell that mr2's cant drift to keichi "the drft king". nuff said

[Rogue]

Manyof us cannot tell you how to drift your beause of your engine layout. If is a completely different feel from a FR car. We could say get some coilovers with 10k/8k but that would work fine on a FR car.

I have seen MR2's/MRS's drift, the problem is that most of them swing out the rear to much and completely spin out. Anyway I will not flame your last statement. I think alot of people drift 180sx because its cheap as hell and they dont care if it gets bashed up. I dunno whatever.

Dousan is correct when he says start from the bottom, figure out what you like and upgrade from there.

daimon

[krazy_racer]

screw this... from now on im staying out of conversations about what can and cant drift... its all bull$hit....

i hope the ****tard that tries to drift his aw11 or sw20 spins it out over a cliff and ****en dies.

[TRUENOCOUPE]

Originally posted by krazy_racer
he he....


dude the mr2 just spins out and is harder to control...just like rouge posted...

and just cuz the drift king can drift mr2 doesnt mean you n00bie drifter-wanna be *** can drift one...

BTW: ive owned not 1 or 2 but 5 mr2's... just FYI

This is a statement of an idiot. Sorry to be so harsh but PLEASE PLEASE re-read your statement "AGAIN".

:shakeshead:

[Dousan_PG]

you might want to find a MR2 board and ask but its not common
cant really help much since its not same car/chassis, etc

seriously
learn stock
upgrade as you go.
this way you wont be wasting money AND you'll soon learn what the car needs and doesnt need
the only thing i RELALY suggest right off, is get stronger thicker tie rods. you drop a wheel off a street or onto a curb you'll probably bned your stock one. buy a back upset of tie rods.

other then taht, make sure you have a VLSD or 2 way LSD and that's it. go from there.

[TRUENOCOUPE]

Originally posted by krazy_racer
screw this... from now on im staying out of conversations about what can and cant drift... its all bull$hit....

i hope the ****tard that tries to drift his aw11 or sw20 spins it out over a cliff and ****en dies.

ha! He had to edit his original post. Sad.

[StreetConcept]

any car can be drifted if the driver knows what hes doing... ppl can drift an FF car, people can drift an FR car. Im sure there are ppl who can drift an MR car. Im trying to learn now with my Open Diff and its taking me months since i cant find an empty isolated parkinglot ever and end up drifting around the streets on the way home late at night. Just remember one thing which is control of weight transfer. and from there learn how to drift on your own with what you have now like dousan said. Dont listen to krazy_racer cause he obviously has no clue what he is talking about.

[junintegra]

thanx for the input guys, and for taking care of krazy racer. people like him just talk it there asshole and really dont know how to do anything.
anyways, i did try the mr2faq forum but the board is smal and maybe only 30 posts a day so not much info came from there, especially about drifting. see ths thread wasnt made for me wanting to learn to drift or the process of learning.just made so when im ready to upgrade, what hould be done first. see, the stronger tie rods were mentoioned and thats the kinda info im lookin for. thanx for the info.

oh and im pretty sue te 2's have lsd..

[krazy_racer]

yes, i just "talk it there asshole" or whatever that means...


i was not gonna reply to this thread anymore but i wanna try and be constructive for a change...

if you would be kind enough to tell me what gen mr2 you have and if its n/a, s/c or turbo maybe i can dig some stuff up

[junintegra]

its a sw20 91 mr2 turbo. sure the 2's are ***-heavy but are maintainable with the driver. any info that i havent already find would be greatful

[krazy_racer]

phoenix power makes tie rod ends for the mk2 mr2...set you back about 500 bucks.
i would consider getting a good coilover set that should be like 1200 or so for some TEINS i believe.
cusco makes a good LSD for about 1k.


i do agree with dousan about just driving the car stock and learning it.... that way you can feel the difference the parts make and adjust accordingly...

you might want to lose some weight out back too... i hear battery relocation to the front is a big help. and the padding behind the seats weights a ton because it has a lot of sound deadner...

hope it helped at least one bit, good luck with the project...

[Equinox]

Well as an ex-sw20 owner I'll contribute what I can.

Since it's a 91, I'm gonna assume you have no LSD. If you have adjustable suspension, set them to full stiff in front and full soft in back. This will help tame the rear end and the snap oversteer a bit. If you have some money go ahead and purchase a front sway bar.

Without an LSD you are going to spin, A LOT! Don't expect to pitch the car sideways really fast the way you see S13/S14s do. Easiest way to drift in the MR2 was under braking. You'll need a little speed to do this. Turn in and lift off the gas or lightly use the brakes. The tail end will start to come out. Be ready to countersteer VERY FAST. In fact, easiest way to countersteer in the SW20 is to just ease your grip on the steering wheel. Once the car starts sliding sideways, you can feather the gas to keep it going. You'll be spinning out a lot when you start, so I wouldn't recommend trying this on the street.

Hope this helps. Good luck. Hope I see more mr2s at the events. I love those cars :)

[Grant]

so, uhh, no cut intrax springs and dead shocks? :D I'm gonna try on that.. hell, Danny does. trying to get that weights transfer concept into my head. :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:

[junintegra]

thanx for the great in f guys, it deffinately helps. i also wanna see mre 2's driftin as well.
Equinox, previously driving the sw20, did yours have a lot of oversteer or understeer? the 91-92 supposedly had oversteer issues which turnd out great for the racers/autoxers. did u notice? also the front sway bar reduces oversteer, correct?
last, what do yu guys think of the garage fukai/pheonix power coilovers? any specs on them? theyre on e w/ no reserv and im not sure.

[sykikchimp]

the reason the MR2 is prone to snap oversteer is b/c of the additional weight in the rear.. it's a pendulum type effect.. start to swing it around, and all the weight transfers around back there real fast, and suddenly you are backwards. soft springs and a sway bar in the front will help control the snap oversteer, as well as removing weight from the rear in anyway possible.

Also, the MR2 has a relatively short wheelbase. This gives it lightening quick turnin response, but also makes it hard to control slides. You deal with the same twitchyness the AE86 guys do.

[junintegra]

well now that thats cleared,what do you guys suggest for wheel/tire setup? from my research, 17-18inch are highly used for drift and 15-16 for autox/grip driving. i want to do both, so what setup should i do? i was thinkin around 205/245/16, what do you think? any suggestions on wheels and tire brands too?

[StreetConcept]

for tires for drifting a set of cheap tires in the rear should do you well.. you want tires you can eat up in the drift and replace easily. Be ready to be switching tires and Rim set ups if your going to be doing autox and drifting. suspension set ups to. just be ready.

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by StreetConcept
for tires for drifting a set of cheap tires in the rear should do you well.. you want tires you can eat up in the drift and replace easily. Be ready to be switching tires and Rim set ups if your going to be doing autox and drifting. suspension set ups to. just be ready.

not always true
a crap set of tires w/ little traction can do more harm then good at times.
depends on your skill
the more advanced one gets the more sticky a tire they will be using.
why? drifting is ALL ABOUT traction control

[radrex88]

Well Im in japan right now, and I have seen a few mr2's at the drift races. Most I saw had some coilovers, some hard compound tires, and a really good e-brake, also good idea to get a pretty sturdy clutch to handle all the added stress. Hope that helps...:bow:

[StreetConcept]

granted but for the new guy i suggested the cheap set of tires so he can gett he feel of sliding around... im using cheap tires now and its working fine... im not advanced im still learning but it seems to be working.im getting better at this drifting thing but thats just my .02 cents... as i get better i will probably get better tires. but still in a drift event you wont have much tires left im sure youll agree dousan

[Dousan_PG]

yeah but dont forget, he's MR
crap tires in the back would cause more snap oversteer i think
he should use (IMHO--guessing) a stickier tire for more control.

[RBS14]

My friend drifts his MR. 2. its much more tricky than s-chassis cars but a lot of fun. He doesn't even have a LSD either. just mad tyte skillios yo!!! Why don't people understand that it doesn't matter what car you drive or what "mods" you have done to it??? I have a friend that can drift his lude on par with many people on this board. And its dead stock. No ebraking either. granted once you start linking turns then he obviously can't hang. My point is simple:

$3,000 of susp. mods = ****, if you can't drive! But that point has been stressed a million times before. So in a sense i'm just post whoring for sh!ts and giggles.

[MONOPOLIzED INC]

im new to of this but i can sling a car around to have some fun but i must say that me mr2 is hard to control in a drift there is no weight up front so the *** tends to lead if u go too hard and the frontend follows

[junintegra]

cool man what is your setup? is it that hard to drift an mr2 anyway??

[RBS14]

Originally posted by MONOPOLIzED INC
me mr2 is hard to control in a drift there is no weight up front so the *** tends to lead if u go too hard and the frontend follows

Go in faster and brake later, that has worked for my friend in his MR2 quite well.

[MONOPOLIzED INC]

i dont have any problems at "lower" speeds but when i get faster the front end loosens up easly was told to adjust camber to fix this but the car is a daily driver and dont like the idea of driving my tires off monthly and like i said being new i have nothing done as far as a setup just trying it out and getting a feel for the new ride ive only have it mmmmm maby a month now. later the mods will come

[MONOPOLIzED INC]

:hammer:
well durring my fun friday i managed to put my mr3 into a bank at umm about 103 at least that was the last speed recorded by the greddy the g rating was inaccurate beacuse of inpact not alot of damage but its not drive able for now
durring the recovery stage of the drift the rearend swung out too damn far controled it from side to side but swing #2 put the rear end infront of me and thats all she wrote so now i have my new car not useable with a wreckless driving ticket damn just b4 the weekend too

[StreetConcept]

THAT suxors dude, Ive been practicing abit lately on a FLAt dirt road i found.. just getting used to the sliding around and stuff i know its a different surface but its easier to get the tail out there and learn the fundamentals of getting the tail out and regaining traction.
its a 90 degree left turn that should be done in second gear @ around 4500 rpms the back end starts to slide... I can get it initially now i just wanna be able to controll it all the way down the street so i go sideways down it. :)
NOTE: My car is bone stock.

[Dousan_PG]

i dont know how u people practice on dirt
paint killer! i dotn care my car that much to care about paint but id never drift on dirt!

[deviousKA]

there are thousands of miles of gravel roads where i live. thats were you go before you have your license, at least i did. around here drifting on pavement is unknown. we have crazy gravel sliders. my friend has welded diff rwd chevette, im to scared to ride with him. but hes thrilled when hes with me on pavement.

[pruto]

i would suggest some grippy tires all around, makes it harder to slide out, but more control when you do, so less spins. back when i was looking into getting a mr2 turbo they always say the first upgrade you should get is wheels/grippy tires. but this is expensive for drifting, only the extremely hardcore guys do it. 200-300 bucks on tires a month, hell i barely have 200-300 bucks to spend a month as is.

Also, you might want to look into upgrading some suspension pieces to the 93-95 version, i heard the changes they made to the mr2 in 93 made it easier to control your car, harder to spin-out. Some mr2 owners don't like the changes, but it makes it easier to learn your car, less steep of a learning curve.


when you get into drifitng, you learn all your "plans" go out the window when all your money goes into tires/wheels/repairs/events. I was supposed to have 17's and coilovers by now... just a heads up, it'll get expensive

[Bill Roberts]

Devious, I learned to drift in a 79 cutless, street model...tame, 260 V8 torque out the aZZ in 1979.

Pruto is right..Tires that drift great on asphalt eat your pocket change up.

If you really are serious about drifting and have a place to do it, believe it or not, harbor frieght has a tire change (rim off) machine for less than 100 and you can go get used AZZ tires from a tire store (some wallmarts will give you free ones) and mount them yourself (providing you got an air compressor) and this is the only way to afford to drift like a king and not eat the wallet up like a dawg..

I either can get free tires or pay 5 buck each to go burn out in. I did them way back 24 years ago with old used tires on the cutlass (and j yard rims) but you know what? Made me learn, I do not forget easy either.

Imagine that, 70 bucks for a tire changer tool, 20 for tires, 50 for old steel rims and learn without breaking the wallet.

Now those gravel guys, well we don't want to ruin our cars throwing rocks...but asphalt drifting is the way to go.

Once you go through about 30 sets of tires, you will actually know what tires to look out for. I personally like 205/60/15 80% gone (tread wear indicators showing) bridgestones and especially BF goodrich. Michelin sidewalls fight the suspention.

Every once in a while, you can land a set of firestone fronts with goodrich backs and have a drift-out.

They actually last 2 sessions in drifting..
(I practice in the parking lot at work after we close..it is fenced, gated, large and secure)

[MONOPOLIzED INC]

it sucked but i need to find some new parts to get it fixed and ill be back

[old_s13]

this thread is empty headed....

if you want to setup your MR2, practice with different suspension settings and start cleaning up the suspension with higher quality parts like bushings, sway bars, and basic suspension. you dont need a great deal of adjustability, you just need to find the shock/spring that will meet your driving style. if you want coilovers, you can always shell out for them.. but higher kwal ones are more expensive.

from there on, its just driving your car and learning it, trying different tires and wheel setups, and shit like that.

this forum doesnt have silvia owners, it has 240sx owners.. and we're not drift kings, we're just normal people who appreciate the different art-forms of driving. your mr2 is more than capable to do all that shit, let me borrow it and i'll show you some things. ;)

- mike

[s13srmadness]

MR is a whole different ball game for drift.
dont listen to these people. go to an mr2 board.
MR cars are much harder to learn to drift on.
even the "drift king" has a bit of trouble with an mr2 in the drift bible...
good luck.

[gijoe69]

I drift my car in the rain....my setup for now is stock cut springs, KYB GR-2's, front & rear strut bars from eBAY... when I didn't have strut bars I would just hella spin out....but when I installed the strut bars....I can slide better and handle better dats what I got so far