cheap coliovers for s13

[hmc2575]

Hey, guys. I was doing a search for coilovers for my s13, and unfortunately i came to realize that all of them are grossly expensive ($1200-up) with the exception of ground control($400). I called a local company called Arospeed and they have coilovers for our cars for around ($140-$150). They are adjustable from 0-3". Has anybody tried these coilovers? i've spoken to a couple of honda owners that have told me their cars handle very well with them. But, being a true skeptic, i need to hear from more people, any feedbak would be greatly apppreciated. Thanks....

[Dousan_PG]

JUNK

pay to play
you get what you pay for!



dont play the role of the cheap 240sx guy

go buy a civic if you dont want to spend the $

[nokeone]

hahahah...do not get Aerospeed coilovers!!

might as well go with Drop Zone...:rolleyes:

seriously though...Dousan is right..you get what you pay for

if you are looking to be thrifty and still get a decent set-up then go with the Ground Controls and run AGX's or somethin...it'll save you few hundred dollars..but it will still perform respectably..

[nokeone]

on re-reading your post it looks like you might be a bit confused...

the coilovers you are seeing for $1000 and up are complete systems..in that they come with springs and shocks/struts..

ground controls and Aerospeeds come with springs only...if you drop them the 3 inches allowable you will blow your stock shocks/struts very quickly...

so you need to invest in a new set up shocks and struts as well...

this is why i suggested AGX's..or Tokico's would work as well..this does however jump the price of your set up an extra $400 or so..

sorry just wanted to clarify..

[Nissan240SX]

Do you like to bounce do you like to fly out of your seat. By doing the Arospeed you are going to do just that. I don't have them personally on my 240 but there is a guy from where I am that has them and WOW its a horrible ride. Corning that is a joke just slide around more. Again you get what you pay for.

[nokeone]

Originally posted by Nissan240SX
Do you like to bounce do you like to fly out of your seat.

hell yeah... with some 50mm wheel spacers...i want those tires to stick out at least 2 inches..werd money!!!

[nrcooled]

I have Arospeed Coils on my Civic (bought it for $750 like that) The car handles like sh1t. To get your car to handle well for relatively cheap you need to:

1. Buy shock/spring combo
2. Buy used coils that can be rebuilt

Many sell their c/o because there needs change or driving style outgrows them. Just look around. Don't just look at buying new stuff. Buy used so you can get the prices you want and get the stuff you want.

Hell my car is built on used sh1t...including the engine:bow:

[nrcooled]

Originally posted by James
You guys need to realize there is a segment of the 240 owner population that does not auto-x or drift (handling on the street is to subjective). --The poster doesn't really say what his intent is--. But it's easy for you guys to become desensitized to what $1,200 is for just suspension parts- but many people on here have bought or will buy their Nissan 240sx for a similiar amount of money. So really trying to convince everyone they NEED $1,000+ coilovers is overkill.
If he wants a modest lowering and only drives on the street- then the $150 coilovers are best for him and he shouldn't have any problems- it's not "cheaping out"- comparing apples and oranges blah blah.

I would agree with you if I didn't feel like alot of the tuning trends that are prevalent in the Honda world are dangerous. He11 if that's the case then he should just heat up his stock springs and go completely "ghetto fab" :rolleyes:

The idiot that owned the Civic before me just stuck the Arospeed coils on stock shocks and the car handles unpredictably. That's when it no longer a matter of affordability but one of safety.

[Nissan240SX]

nrcooled That's when it no longer a matter of affordability but one of safety

Very good point. When the driver inside the car is bouncing around so much that he or she is no longer able to focus on the street because of the bouncing then it becomes a major issue. My best friend has a 98 Civic with Skunk 2 Coilovers. These are some very good quality Coils. The car is low to the ground yet doesn't bounce around when driving which means he is able to focus on what is going on.

Corning does matter even on the street. If you are not able to take a corner on a off ramp or on ramp for instance at a reasonable speed, now you have to most likely avoid a wreck. When the steering come to a situation where you are having to guess what the car is going to do every time you get in the car it once again becomes a safety issue.

[hmc2575]

Originally posted by dousan36
JUNK

pay to play
you get what you pay for!



dont play the role of the cheap 240sx guy

go buy a civic if you dont want to spend the $


ok, i agree, to a certain extent you get what you pay for. But there are exceptions. just because they are affordable and relatively new to the market, does not mean it's junk. All you guys that are criticizing the arospeed coilovers, have you even tried them? have you used them on a racetrack? I'm not being cheap, i'm just weighing my options and trying to be frugal. for $150, i'll gladly be a guinea pig, and let you guys know if they are good or not. How do you expect to find out if you don't try? How are we going to get ahead if we don't experiment? Not all of us have have $1500 to get shafted by HKS and APEXi for a car that will never see the track.

[nokeone]

Originally posted by hmc2575
ok, i agree, to a certain extent you get what you pay for. But there are exceptions. just because they are affordable and relatively new to the market, does not mean it's junk. All you guys that are criticizing the arospeed coilovers, have you even tried them? have you used them on a racetrack? I'm not being cheap, i'm just weighing my options and trying to be frugal. for $150, i'll gladly be a guinea pig, and let you guys know if they are good or not. How do you expect to find out if you don't try? How are we going to get ahead if we don't experiment? Not all of us have have $1500 to get shafted by HKS and APEXi for a car that will never see the track.

let's not forget that you are the one who ASKED for people's opinions on the coilovers you were looking into purchasing...if you chose to disregard the advice..so be it..but don't sit here and tell us that we don't know what we are talking about..

i don't need to put those coilovers on my car to know that they suck...there are certain logical things one can gather without actually using them...

what are the springs rates?..do you even know..i'm sure they are horrible for any type handling..

how low do you plan on dropping your car?..do you have any idea what that will do to your stock shocks and struts and their dampering ability?..how many miles are on those suspension components?...your car is at least 10 years old..you are going to blow your stock shocks and struts without question and then your car will handle even worse...

i don't see how HKS or APEXi shaft you when they provide super high quality components...so they are expensive..so what..they are also some of the best you can buy..

obviously you are not anywhere close to a true tuner..you are a ricer..and if you wanna waste your money trying new things that are obviously $hit then maybe you and the guy who is making the electric supercharger should get together and swap ideas...

oh and be sure to keep us posted on how they work out..i've got a set of stock struts and shocks you can have when yours blow out..i'll hook you up cheap..;)

:rolleyes:

[ShortGuy622]

dude half the fun of owning a car is saving up the money to get sumthin really cool, like a turbo kit or a new suspension kit. seriously if u wanna get stuff quickly u gotta be cheap about, then your car will be crap. like dousan said, if u wanna buy things cheap, get a frickin civic.

[Stee Flo]

I agree with everyone else. You get what you pay for. That may not be true with everything like you said, but in this case it is. You gotta realize the reason why these other coilovers are expensive. Camber and double ride height adjustable, dampening adjustable, better materials and construction, the springs and shocks are matched for each other, rebuildable, etc. These cheap coilovers are just meant for lowering the car. If thats the case then just go for a nice shock/spring combo. If you go that route, you can get some good handling and not worry about bouncing all over the road.:boink:

[chokudoriS13]

We need pictures here...

Arospeed coilovers $250, universal springs with adjustable perches, basically zero R&D
http://www.streetstyler.com/ItemPics/desc85.jpg

vs.

JIC coil-overs, $1300, made for a specific car, and have tons of R&D for excellent performance...
http://www.vividracing.com/images/jic/jic.gif

See the difference?

[hmc2575]

Originally posted by nokeone
let's not forget that you are the one who ASKED for people's opinions on the coilovers you were looking into purchasing...if you chose to disregard the advice..so be it..but don't sit here and tell us that we don't know what we are talking about..

i don't need to put those coilovers on my car to know that they suck...there are certain logical things one can gather without actually using them...

what are the springs rates?..do you even know..i'm sure they are horrible for any type handling..

how low do you plan on dropping your car?..do you have any idea what that will do to your stock shocks and struts and their dampering ability?..how many miles are on those suspension components?...your car is at least 10 years old..you are going to blow your stock shocks and struts without question and then your car will handle even worse...


i don't see how HKS or APEXi shaft you when they provide super high quality components...so they are expensive..so what..they are also some of the best you can buy..

obviously you are not anywhere close to a true tuner..you are a ricer..and if you wanna waste your money trying new things that are obviously $hit then maybe you and the guy who is making the electric supercharger should get together and swap ideas...

oh and be sure to keep us posted on how they work out..i've got a set of stock struts and shocks you can have when yours blow out..i'll hook you up cheap..;)

:rolleyes:

Look pal, first of all let’s not get personal here, let’s have a discussion like adults here, not like a bunch of kids. There is no need to call anybody a ricer , no ricers here buddy. I’ve never been one and never will. Never owned a Honda and never will. You don’t know me and don’t make assumptions. I never said nobody knew what they were talking about. Pay attention. I just asked a simple question. If the Arospeeds are crap I’ll find out if they are, I won’t assume. Just because Japanese cars are cost less than euros, does that mean Japanese cars are of poor quality? Nope. I never doubted HKS and Apexi , I’m fully aware that they make high quality products. But as we all know, these companies are making a killer profit on these sets, it cannot possibly cost them much to produce these items. And no I was not planning to use factory shocks with the coilovers, stop assuming once again. I was going to go either tokico or KYB AGX. I’m fully aware that you cannot use factory shocks when you lower your car. So no, keep your blown shocks and fulfill your lifelong fantasy with them , lol. By the way, James, thanks for understanding. You’re one of the only people here that make any sense, and actually understood what I meant. A lot of these guys here will but anything that has a brand name on it. Put an HKS badge on a box of cereal and they’ll buy it.

[chokudoriS13]

You asked for feedback and you got it.

Arospeed=CRAP

Don't get your panties in a bunch because you disagree with the people you asked for advice in the first place

:rolleyes: :bash:

[Nissan240SX]

hmc2575 By the way, James, thanks for understanding. You’re one of the only people here that make any sense,

I made perfect sense. Do you wish to bounce all over your car while trying to drive and not hit anyone, or do you wish to sit in your seat like a normal person? If you wish to bounce then go with Aerospeed. If you wish to sit in your seat like a driver is suppose to then go with better quality.


OH and one more thing


hmc2575 All you guys that are criticizing the arospeed coilovers, have you even tried them?

Yes I have. Have seen them on a 240 as well as a honda and either vehicle they suck on. Reasoning mentioned in this post as well as others

Just my .02 though don't have to listen.

[GT4]

I have to speak my mind here. The guy just asked you a simple question, which some of you answered. Then he gives you his feedback from what you answered, and then you want to surround him and jump him because of that. Aside from James, the rest of you must be some 17-18 year olds with nothing better to do. A bunch of ex-Chevy Cavalier rejects (Autozone commercial recipients). Yes, go ahead and cry..then come back with something semi-witty or should I say ignorant things to say. I know the Arospeed coilovers are cheap in price, but most of you here bashing the product never tried it. IF you did and wrote something intelligent, then I wouldnt have bothered to write. Im not here to start a flame war, but some of you need to grow up. One of you clowns mentioned spring rate, yet you may not even know what it is, or what it's for. You just hear people mention it, and run out the streets and scream at the top of your lungs "Spring Rates". Get real....most of you are West Coast reject street racers that have this forum to hide behind. Probably the same idiots always getting caught street racing/even getting arrested in the news.How many of you can say you have been racing Nissans and Toyotas for over 10 years? How many of you can say you have an RB25DET in your S13 or S14 and prove it? This is my first post, and maybe my last...I can already see and hear the ignorance coming....this will be funny.:bs:

[chokudoriS13]

Originally posted by GT4
How many of you can say you have been racing Nissans and Toyotas for over 10 years? How many of you can say you have an RB25DET in your S13 or S14 and prove it? This is my first post, and maybe my last...I can already see and hear the ignorance coming....this will be funny.:bs:

yUo R thA mAstEr...I :bowdown: to thee... Or not :bash:. Don't be lame with your worthless comments. He asked for advice, and when it was given, he didn't like it. Guess what... Cheap parts are just that..CHEAP. If he doesn't like the fact that the product is a piece of crap, then he should save and get something better. And with your 10 years of racing experience, you should know that and give similar advice instead of wasting bandwidth with worthless posts like the one you made above. And having an RB in your car does NOT make you tEh MaN, fyi.

[nokeone]

Originally posted by GT4
I have to speak my mind here. The guy just asked you a simple question, which some of you answered. Then he gives you his feedback from what you answered, and then you want to surround him and jump him because of that. Aside from James, the rest of you must be some 17-18 year olds with nothing better to do. A bunch of ex-Chevy Cavalier rejects (Autozone commercial recipients). Yes, go ahead and cry..then come back with something semi-witty or should I say ignorant things to say. I know the Arospeed coilovers are cheap in price, but most of you here bashing the product never tried it.

do you really need to try everything in existence before forming an opinion about it?..i think not..i don't need to drive a Ferrari to know it's better then a Yugo..both of which i have technically never tried..some things are just common sense..do i need to get shot to know it will hurt?..c'mon..if you are going to insult me and others on this board at least do it with some intelligence..

Originally posted by GT4
IF you did and wrote something intelligent, then I wouldnt have bothered to write. Im not here to start a flame war, but some of you need to grow up. One of you clowns mentioned spring rate, yet you may not even know what it is, or what it's for. You just hear people mention it, and run out the streets and scream at the top of your lungs "Spring Rates".

i guess that would be me..sorry to dissapoint but, while i do know what spring rates are, i wont waste my time or yours coming up with a "semi-witty" or "ignorant" response..

Originally posted by GT4
Get real....most of you are West Coast reject street racers that have this forum to hide behind. Probably the same idiots always getting caught street racing/even getting arrested in the news.How many of you can say you have been racing Nissans and Toyotas for over 10 years? How many of you can say you have an RB25DET in your S13 or S14 and prove it? This is my first post, and maybe my last...I can already see and hear the ignorance coming....this will be funny.:bs:

we should only be so lucky as to have this as your last post..somehow i doubt that will be the case though...

you sit there are preach to us while touting your "accomplishments" and count them off on your fingers..you talk proof huh?..where's yours mister professional (this is an assumption of course) 10 year veteran racer?

[AKADriver]

Originally posted by James
The only advice being passed around in this thread is bad advice.


BS. Nothing anyone has said in response in this thread is wrong. Arospeed is junk. Pure junk.

No, not everyone needs a $2000 suspension package.

HOWEVER, if you're going to spend $250 - DON'T SPEND IT ON A SORRY POSEUR VERSION OF $2000 STUFF. Spend it on the best $250 suspension you can buy. Want low for the street? Eibach Sportlines are very low and inexpensive. They're wonderful for daily driven cars.

GT4, I don't need to put my hand on a hot stove to know it's gonna hurt. It's pretty simple to look at a cheap part and know why it's cheap, if you can't do that then your racing/building experience thus far hasn't taught you as much as you claim. You have eight years and a $4000 engine over me - you should know better. Brand names have nothing to do with it. My car has generic parts where they work (strut bars, brake rotors). These do not work. Not in theory, not in practice.

What lengths people will go to justify being cheap... Cars are an expensive hobby.

[nokeone]

Originally posted by Nissan240SX
Yes I have. Have seen them on a 240 as well as a honda and either vehicle they suck on. Reasoning mentioned in this post as well as others

Just my .02 though don't have to listen.


whoa!! stop the presses...it looks like there is someone with actual real-life experience with these coilovers...

and wait, what is that?..what did you say?..they sucked on both vehicles huh?..wow..i never would have guessed..

are you happy now GT4?..how about you hmc?..

prolly not..if you knew all along you wanted to get cheap $hit to save money..why did you even ask?..

[boro240]

Originally posted by hmc2575
By the way, James, thanks for understanding. You’re one of the only people here that make any sense
thats cause hes the only one who agrees with you. frankly i couldnt care less what you do to your car. put crap for suspension, it doesnt hurt me. you asked for feedback, you got it. quit your bitching.

[boro240]

Originally posted by James
1. you have nothing to contribute
i told him to quit his bitching, which is a contribution AFAIK.
Originally posted by James
2. you could care less? so your reply is just to make you "feel like a big man"? O.k. you're cool http://www3.sympatico.ca/travischan/PUB/jerkit.gif
my opinion has already been stated by many others, no need to be repetitive. but in the end he can do what he wants.
Originally posted by James
3. quit your instigating http://www3.sympatico.ca/travischan/PUB/thumbsdown.gif
i hardly think i "instigated" anything. there was already an arguement, if anything it was to stop it. hence the "quit your bitching".

you need to calm down.

[nokeone]

Originally posted by James
boro240:
1. you have nothing to contribute
2. you could care less? so your reply is just to make you "feel like a big man"? O.k. you're cool http://www3.sympatico.ca/travischan/PUB/jerkit.gif
3. quit your instigating http://www3.sympatico.ca/travischan/PUB/thumbsdown.gif

then you quit sucking off the newb...

look, he asked for advice..he got it..i don't know why he, you, and GT4 are taking such offense to what people are saying about the Aerospeed products..is he, or you, the president of said company..i doubt it..his pride was hurt..he got super defensive..oh well..he needs to get over it..

yes there are those who don't have the money or priveledge of buying expensive parts for a car that they prolly didn't even pay $1500 for..doesn't mean we should walk on egg shells around them to make sure we don't hurt their feelings..doesn't change the fact that the product is $hit..if he wants to put it on his car..great..but then he needs to deal with the fact that he has a $hit product on his car..it's simple..

and noone is trying to be a big shot behind their computer..not that i have seen anyway..except for maybe GT4 who felt a need to inform us about his supposed expertise...

[mav1178]

Wow some of you guys are close-minded...

BTW if sleeve-type coilovers are installed and the ride quality sucks, don't blame it on the "cheap junk coilovers". Blame it on the user for trying to put those "cheap junk coilovers" on 1) stock shocks, or 2) shocks that can't handle a 2" drop.

Aftermarket coilover suspension kits like JIC or Zeal or HKS or Apex'i or whatever handle good for a reason: The shocks are in the middle of the piston and have enough room for proper dampening both under compression and rebound. That's one of the main reasons to go with a coilover kit, not just because it is "made in Japan" or "high quality". With a properly designed coilover kit you will never bottom out on the bumpstops and the shock piston will always be in the middle of the shock body under most driving conditions.

FYI any OEM replacement shocks that are full length (including AGX) will not perform as good with an excessive drop of more than 1.75" or 2"... for that kind of lowering it is almost required to run short stroke shocks for optimum handling.

But I'm sure most of you guys spewing out the flames knew that.

-alex

[hmc2575]

Mav, thanks for the info, you are actually doing what 90% of these morons on the board cannot do: give some helpful advice. What shocks or struts would you recommend for these coilovers? If I do end up getting these coilovers, how many inches would be a safe drop? I know that for the money I cannot expect stellar performance, but I just need some decent handling on the street. My car will not be seeing a drag strip or racetrack anytime soon. So in the meantime something better than stock would be perfect until the I install the turbo kit. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[AKADriver]

Originally posted by mav1178
Wow some of you guys are close-minded...

BTW if sleeve-type coilovers are installed and the ride quality sucks, don't blame it on the "cheap junk coilovers". Blame it on the user for trying to put those "cheap junk coilovers" on 1) stock shocks, or 2) shocks that can't handle a 2" drop.

Fully agree, Alex, but I'd like to go into this a bit further.

The ride quality is mostly due to strut selection. But that doesn't totally invalidate the cheap junk-iness. There's a reason some people above were singing the praises of Ground Control and bashing Arospeed, though they might not know what that reason is. Look at the design of the spring hats and seats, the materials and construction. Look at the height of the springs they deliver with the kit - they're so short (something like 7"!) that short stroke struts are a must.

For $250 you CAN expect stellar performance, but not from this kit. A set of fixed-height aftermarket springs is what you need if you don't track your car, and there are many excellent selections.

[sykikchimp]

Those Aerospeed coilovers would work well if put in conjunction with a nice short stroke damper. I haven't ever looked into these, but some things you might want to consider are.. What kind of warranty do they have? Will Aerospeed replace them if they begin to sag in 6 months? Do they have good customer service? Do you know how to install them, or will someone else have to do it? Install fees for sleeve coilovers can get quit outrageous if you can't do it yourself.

Koni Yellows are proabably the best bang for the buck damper you can buy for this purpose. Still gonna cost you about $600 for all 4 corners for just the dampers. My point is Short stroke dampers are not cheap.

If your goals are to simply lower the car, and keep somewhat similar to stock handling. Get yourself a nice spring/strut combo, like has been suggested before. If your on a budget, get the springs first.. run them till you blow your struts, then buy new struts.

From my personal experience with the car, anything over 1.75" drop is detrimental to the handling of the car. 240's don't have a lot of suspension travel as is. Once the car gets beyond about 2" down, toe changes in the rear begin to make the car handle unpredictably b/c of the way the multi-link rear suspension handles toe during height changes.

[Stee Flo]

The majority of use did give you useful information without being rude. You just cant take constructive criticism. We are just trying to save you some trouble in the long run. You cant really drop a car excessively the proper way without either a short stroke shock or a full coilover kit. Either one is gonna cost you a good amount of money. Dont go around calling people morons because you ask for our thoughts on something and cant take it when we give it to you. :rolleyes:

[DuffMan]

If you want to not spend 1200 or whatever on coilovers simply go with a lowering spring and shocks.

Ask yourself if the height adjustment that the arospeed/dropzone/obx coilover provides is really that important when you are limited by shock stroke, and is it worth buying an unknown, potentially unsafe product when there are plenty of lowering springs out there making it easy to choose one that suits your needs.

[mav1178]

Originally posted by AKADriver
The ride quality is mostly due to strut selection. But that doesn't totally invalidate the cheap junk-iness. There's a reason some people above were singing the praises of Ground Control and bashing Arospeed, though they might not know what that reason is. Look at the design of the spring hats and seats, the materials and construction. Look at the height of the springs they deliver with the kit - they're so short (something like 7"!) that short stroke struts are a must.


I agree; Ground Control uses Eibach springs only, and their QC is top-notch when I saw their facilities last year.

I like Ground Control not only because they are good sleeve-type coilovers, they are also highly praised by many guys from SE-RCA that I am friends with. In the SE-R Cup race, the guys on a budget run the common AGX/GC kit while the guys with unlimited budget run the GC AD kit or something more exotic.

BTW Eibach has a million mile warranty on their springs, or something like that.

-alex

[mav1178]

Originally posted by hmc2575
Mav, thanks for the info, you are actually doing what 90% of these morons on the board cannot do: give some helpful advice. What shocks or struts would you recommend for these coilovers? If I do end up getting these coilovers, how many inches would be a safe drop? I know that for the money I cannot expect stellar performance, but I just need some decent handling on the street. My car will not be seeing a drag strip or racetrack anytime soon. So in the meantime something better than stock would be perfect until the I install the turbo kit. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I honestly don't know because I don't know the spring rates on the kit you are asking about... and spring rate determines the dampening needed.

With all due respect don't go with this kit simply because there are no commercially available struts in the USA that can handle a drop more than 2". Some people may have good experience with springs on KYB AGX shocks but if you do a bit of math or even draw a simple diagram you can see how bottomed out the AGX shock pistons are in the strut with a 2" drop.

Spring/strut is your best bet right now, and at least you have the option of selling later with some residual value. With sleeve coilovers you need to modify your strut, and it makes resale value $0.

-alex

[GT4]

:cool: I knew this was coming. If there was to be a head count of inteligent people on this thread before I wrote something, there would only be about 2-3 people. James, Hmc, and...the rest of you guys can fight for that spot. What many of you fail to realize is that when someone asks you a technical question, please have the smarts to answer intelligently and honestly. The question that lies here now is not whether Arospeed is junk or not, but what technical proof do you have to call it junk. Aside from one guy who claimed to have used them on his Civic, the rest of you characters just called it cheap junk. I'd accept the comments only if you tried them and tested them to have accurate and meaningful information. By the way, the funniest thing is that I dont work for or know anyone at Arospeed. I have Tanabe Sustec Pro Street coil over kit on my S13. Before that I went through Suspension Techniques (back in the days), then Eibach. I have enough knowledge about the different suspension sets to intelligently make a comparison. I dont have Arospeeds on my car. I am not defending the product. However, what I am bringing into perspective is the fact that he (HMC) asked has anyone tried them, and many started acting like clowns, with no technical proof of the product's so called inferiority. That's what you ex-Chevy Cavalier kids failed to realize. About the fool that dared ask me about my credibility and experience, whenever you can or get permission from your folks to leave the house, you can meet me at any East Coast event in either NY, NJ (Englishtown, or Atco), or Florida. You'll see the black S13 with the Trust T78 powered RB25DET lurking waiting for the poseurs. If only many of you knew how ignorant you sound. By the way, for those that have not been around long enough, Greddy is called Trust in Japan. Once I get the Haltech sorted out fully...we'll see...Until then most of you kids need to lay low, and learn to think before you say dumb ****...:bash:

[chokudoriS13]

Originally posted by GT4
:cool: I knew this was coming. If there was to be a head count of inteligent people on this thread before I wrote something, there would only be about 2-3 people. James, Hmc, and...the rest of you guys can fight for that spot. What many of you fail to realize is that when someone asks you a technical question, please have the smarts to answer intelligently and honestly. The question that lies here now is not whether Arospeed is junk or not, but what technical proof do you have to call it junk. Aside from one guy who claimed to have used them on his Civic, the rest of you characters just called it cheap junk. I'd accept the comments only if you tried them and tested them to have accurate and meaningful information. By the way, the funniest thing is that I dont work for or know anyone at Arospeed. I have Tanabe Sustec Pro Street coil over kit on my S13. Before that I went through Suspension Techniques (back in the days), then Eibach. I have enough knowledge about the different suspension sets to intelligently make a comparison. I dont have Arospeeds on my car. I am not defending the product. However, what I am bringing into perspective is the fact that he (HMC) asked has anyone tried them, and many started acting like clowns, with no technical proof of the product's so called inferiority. That's what you ex-Chevy Cavalier kids failed to realize. About the fool that dared ask me about my credibility and experience, whenever you can or get permission from your folks to leave the house, you can meet me at any East Coast event in either NY, NJ (Englishtown, or Atco), or Florida. You'll see the black S13 with the Trust T78 powered RB25DET lurking waiting for the poseurs. If only many of you knew how ignorant you sound. By the way, for those that have not been around long enough, Greddy is called Trust in Japan. Once I get the Haltech sorted out fully...we'll see...Until then most of you kids need to lay low, and learn to think before you say dumb ****...:bash:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid69/pc5902119ce6c646fe67ebb17aacc0390/fbaba272.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid69/p438528d05b72369c518c97ef00a63f19/fbaba273.jpg

Wow... You are the Columbus of our generation. Imagine that, Greddy is the same company as Trust. Hey, everyone, pull out a paper and pen and write it down. I'm thinking you are Cavalier reject, buddy.

[boro240]

Originally posted by GT4
:cool: I knew....
DO forgive us oh grand exhalted master of the 240SX and all things car related!!!! we are but mere CHILDREN compared to your vast knowledge and experience!!! i hope to bask in all your reflected glory!!

:bowdown: ::grovels at your feet:: :bowdown:





:rolleyes:






ps. you can put your dick away now. thank you.

[GT4]

Originally posted by DuffMan
If you want to not spend 1200 or whatever on coilovers simply go with a lowering spring and shocks.

Ask yourself if the height adjustment that the arospeed/dropzone/obx coilover provides is really that important when you are limited by shock stroke, and is it worth buying an unknown, potentially unsafe product when there are plenty of lowering springs out there making it easy to choose one that suits your needs.

I'll second that...Try Eibachs with a set of KYB AGX for the money. Unless you're keen on getting the Arospeeds, and maybe write something up on your experiences with them, so this doesn't happen again in the future with the next newbies.

As for nokeone....(I say: no cojones), where were you when people like myself did not have forums to hide behind when I was putting my first Turbo set up back in 93? Where were you when I swapped it for a CA18DET, with a T3 Super 60 Upgrade? I bet you were calling Mopar for tech answers for your Cavalier..You probably figured out by now that Mopar couldn't help you with chevy answers...:axe:
I know where you were. Your folks were telling you and still need to tell you to think before you say Dumb s**t...And till this day you still have yet to learn...:confused:
I wish you were anywhere on the East Coast....Embarrassing you would be well worth the trip...

Instead of saying stupid things boro240, and chunky13 whatever your name is, why dont you guys suggest a few intelligent things pertaining to my fuel and ignition maps on my Haltech set up? I dont claim to know everything, but you two have got to be the most abbrassive people here now...Get a life, or a try improving your knowledge on cars and whatever else is lacking, which to me seems to be everything....:hammer:
Instead of groveling at people's feet boro240 (Foot Fetish kids) learn and help, this is what tthis forum should be about. I realized that this is a kid's play section, drooling over JDM waiting for a Super Street feature.....Dream on....:mrmeph:

[Nissan240SX]

GT4

What on earth crawled up your arse? So you have done turbo upgrades since 93 would you like us to put you in the hall of fame or something? Give me a break the man/boy asked for and opinion on a product and thats what he got. If he and you as a newbie on here can't take that well then you might want to leave the forum. I along with many other members have been flamed for stupid questions or comments, welcome to the world of the INTERNET. Its nothing to get your panties in a bunch over. But hey I haven't done all that you have so what would I know. Oh yeah I remember I know things because I listen to those that also know things, and am willing to learn. He is not willing, and you are just wanting to keep passing judgement on people because they disagree with you and others. And before you say I don't know what I am talking about as far as these Arospeed coilovers go. I am the one that has had them on a Civic as well as my 240. A friend of mine wanted to prove to someone that the ride with them on a rear wheel drive or front wheel drivin vehicle is worthless and DANDGEROUS. That in itself is the one major reason why most are saying these are junk. But again what would I know I am no where near your supreme godly skills.

[chokudoriS13]

Originally posted by GT4


Instead of saying stupid things boro240, and chunky13 whatever your name is, why dont you guys suggest a few intelligent things pertaining to my fuel and ignition maps on my Haltech set up? I dont claim to know everything, but you two have got to be the most abbrassive people here now...Get a life, or a try improving your knowledge on cars and whatever else is lacking, which to me seems to be everything....:hammer:


You come in here with a hot-**** attitude and let it spew in your first ever post, and then you claim that our replies are "abbrassive"? You deserved every bit of that and then some. Read over your posts. You don't come across as an intelligent, experienced person... Instead, you are a 12-year old, taunting us with your accomplishements over the Internet, and behind a screen name. Your actions can be summed up in one word =LAME. Your posts are the kind of posts that those Forum pics were made for. Instead of criticizing everyone with your 3 worthless posts, why don't you go away for a while and rethink your attitude. Instead of attacking, why don't you go help out in the tech section with your tons of sophisticated technical knowledge... Go, run answer questions and don't try to act like a bas-***. Telling people that you want to school them is what 12-year olds do. Helping people when you have the knowledge to help them is what mature people do... You are clearly not that. You also need to stop the name-calling. You don't know any of us, so why embarrass yourself? You are only showing your own level of maturity. "nocojones" and "chunkyS13"? Hah, you are such a loser, my friend. Come on, say it with me, L O S E R. Now, go troll somewhere else. We don't need your worthless attitude here.

[nokeone]

ok i'm bored..i'll humor you with a response..:)

Originally posted by GT4
About the fool that dared ask me about my credibility and experience, whenever you can or get permission from your folks to leave the house, you can meet me at any East Coast event in either NY, NJ (Englishtown, or Atco), or Florida. You'll see the black S13 with the Trust T78 powered RB25DET lurking waiting for the poseurs. B]

mmmk...looks like somebody got their little lace panties in a bunch and it's bothering them..poor baby...i'd offer you a cookie but you already got 2..and i'm sorry you just don't deserve anymore..maybe next time..

you seem to have an inferiority complex..i'm wondering why it is you feel a constant need to state your materialistic prowess in this discussion..do you really lack that much self esteem that you need to get it from boards like this?..does it make you feel special to say.."oh but my car is better then yours"..wah wah wah...who fcuking cares...talk to your shrink about all the wonderful things you have but still nobody likes you..

well seeing as you're the one who obviously needs to prove something to me and everyone else here i think it's only fair for you to come out here..that would be California hoss..not to mention you obviously must be quite weathly, what with all your automotive experience with turbos and all...so i'm sure you can afford the trip..

see you soon..

Originally posted by GT4
[B]As for nokeone....(I say: no cojones),

yes you're right..i am a Eunich..it was the path that was chosen for me through birth..

Originally posted by GT4
where were you when people like myself did not have forums to hide behind when I was putting my first Turbo set up back in 93? Where were you when I swapped it for a CA18DET, with a T3 Super 60 Upgrade?

please see the above aformentioned notes regarding your need for self affirmation..what is it with you?..did mommy not tell you she loved you often enough?..did daddie's cawk hurt your little hiney?...i don't understand what this has to do with what coilovers are junk and which are high quality..and if you think this goes towards towards proving anything to anyone regarding your credibility or experience, you are gravely mistaken...i can sit here and list off any accomplishments i want...but it doesn't mean jack $hit..you still have yet to show any proof...not that i even want any..all i'm trying to do is get the point into your thick head that your accomplishments, whatever they may be, are inconsequential..

Originally posted by GT4
I bet you were calling Mopar for tech answers for your Cavalier..You probably figured out by now that Mopar couldn't help you with chevy answers...:axe:

yes you are right..i drive a cavalier..the pictures of me on this board are frauds..i stole them from someone's site..how did you know??..in fact my next shipment from RK Sport is on it's way right now..fcuk mopar..RK is the shizzle..

Originally posted by GT4
I know where you were. Your folks were telling you and still need to tell you to think before you say Dumb s**t...And till this day you still have yet to learn...:confused:
I wish you were anywhere on the East Coast....Embarrassing you would be well worth the trip...

i may have missed something but it seems you are the only one spewing worthless garble from his mouth via his fingers..

and just so you can have a chance...i'll be Manhatten from August 17-27...please come say hi..i should be staying at Le Parker Meridien..i believe it's on 56th and 7th or 8th but i'd have to verify that address..anyway the name is Noah Kerrigan..looking forward to it..:)

[Nissan240SX]

i'll be Manhatten from August 17-27

GT4
I believe that is a challenge which means its put up or shut up time. Lets find out how big your cojones are.

[AKADriver]

hahaha, I love how the guys with the biggest heads are always the drag racers.

GT4, this forum has a lot more autocrossers, drifters, and open track/HPDE whores - you won't find many people to take on your dragstrip challenge, sorry to disappoint. It doesn't matter anyway. Having a faster car proves nothing except that you have a faster car. I don't think that was the argument here.

I still don't need to put my hand on a hot stove to know it's going to burn, and it still doesn't take an engineering degree to tell the difference between cast metal seats with a spring that's too short, and cnc machined 6061 aluminum seats with a wide spring selection in the proper lengths.

There's a reason my car is near stock. It's not cheapness, or ignorance. It's a personal distaste for the "throw money at it and see what sticks" attitude that you're championing. If I so strongly dislike the way something is designed, I'm not going to buy it and try it.

[Got Sileighty?]

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/specials/0004/cnn20/history.timeline/images/1992.rodney.king.jpg
can't we all just get along??

[nokeone]

Originally posted by Nissan240SX
GT4
I believe that is a challenge which means its put up or shut up time. Lets find out how big your cojones are.

haha...nah..it wasn't a challenge..i don't make internet challenges..i don't see the point...:)

i just wanted him to know that all his petty bragging was worthless..

and i was just having fun with him...i really will be in NYC though..any East Coast peeps who wanna chill should hit me up...good times to be had..lol..

and it's all fun in the end, right?..;)

[sykikchimp]

You know.. this thread was fine, until this moment right here..

obviously you are not anywhere close to a true tuner..you are a ricer

ITS CALLED RESPECT. And that goes for ALL OF YOU. Many of us were trying to help. Unfortunately, some KIDS (i.e. people with mentalities like kids) have to step in, open their big non-respectful mouths, and shootoff like thier hotshots.

If you aren't trying to help STFU

I don't really care who started this, and who was "simply defending themselves".. by responding, you immediately lowered yourself to thier pitiful level. If it doesn't stop. The thread will be locked, and members will be banned.

[nokeone]

in re-reading one of my initial posts, in which that statement was made, i find that you are correct in saying it was uncalled for..

so i do appologize to HMC for calling him a ricer..i'm sorry..i had no grounds for it..

[hmc2575]

No problem noke, apology accepted. I just wanted to ask people on the board if eibach sportlines are better than Eibach pro-kits. The sportlines drop about 2.2 inches and the pro kit about 1.8 inches. I know they are both Eibach, but wouldn’t the sportlines drop it too low to the point where it would mess up my suspension geometry? And if the sportlines are the way to go, would Kyb agx’s be good enough or koni? (Konis are a tad bit more but the Agx’s are adjustable) let me know

[nokeone]

Originally posted by hmc2575
No problem noke, apology accepted. I just wanted to ask people on the board if eibach sportlines are better than Eibach pro-kits. The sportlines drop about 2.2 inches and the pro kit about 1.8 inches. I know they are both Eibach, but wouldn’t the sportlines drop it too low to the point where it would mess up my suspension geometry? And if the sportlines are the way to go, would Kyb agx’s be good enough or koni? (Konis are a tad bit more but the Agx’s are adjustable) let me know

:)

Pro-Kit is a better spring for performance..Sportlines will improve handling but they are more for looks IMO..

and i would say Koni's are a little better (but i'm thinking the Koni adjustables) but AGX's should be fine..especially if you go with the Pro-Kit..

i guess it's really just what you want it for..if you want to make your car look better and handle better for everyday driving then go with Sportlines..if you are thinking more along the lines of Performance and Handling..then go with the Pro-Kit..

i've personally had Sportlines and they were fine..albeit a little too soft..i like a stiffer ride..

[hmc2575]

Thanks for the info,noke. Now does anybody know anything about the tein s-tech lowering springs? any specs on them?

[drift into a curb]

http://www.pdm-racing.com

Check out the Whiteline/AGX suspension kit. Looks and performance.


Tein S.Tech s13
Front = 3.2 kg/mm | 179 lb/in
Rear = _2.9 kg/mm | 162 lb/in


Tein S.Tech s14
Front = 4.8 kg/mm | 269 lb/in
Rear = _4.4 kg/mm | 246 lb/in

[RBS14]

Where'd my post go????? Weird.

[hmc2575]

thanks a lot Drift

[nokeone]

Originally posted by RBS14
Where'd my post go????? Weird.

it was stricken from the boards due it's offensiveness...those who don't know that you are a homosexual might think you were being prejudiced...

:)..sorry

[Grant]

eh, quit bickering guys.. closing this thread... like sam @ jspec said "ITS UP TO YOU"... simple as that, let him make his own decision.. we'll just keep out of the way..

[Grant]

eh, quit bickering guys.. closing this thread... like sam @ jspec said "ITS UP TO YOU"... simple as that, let him make his own decision.. we'll just keep out of the way..