how to combat oversteer (spinning out) help?

[chiboy002]

hey guys, i searched and alot of the stuff were for events, so that means little information so i didnt bother reading. I was drifting in the rain yesterday, so i can learn car control for a start, and my car just kept doing 180s. i have an s13 hatch with mild suspension, full battleverson and stance gr+, and all stealth custom fab braces. I just wanna know what i can do to help prevent it from oversteering, cause at some points my car did a full 360*! :D haha

i did the same runs today on dry road, of course this is all in a parking lot, and it is much easier but i was going relatively slow. I think, if i remember correctly, i should pull the ebrake to stop oversteer from going to far?

thanks guys

[GSXRJJordan]

Correct (countersteer) faster. As long as there's nothing hugely wrong with your alignment (like major toe out in the back), just initiate harder, countersteer sooner, drift. Practice practice practice.

[REVOisGO]

lifting and countersteering will stop you from spinning out, and thats not foolproof. ebrake should only be used to initiate REALLY big corners, to extend a drift (another fast technique), or to get you out of trouble (spin you out to aviod a wall).

you wont learn car control by drifting in the rain, so dont do it. it will teach you how to drift slow and wrong.

keep it off the streets, and go to an event. you will be amazed how fast you learn, and people can give you advice as well.

[chiboy002]

Correct (countersteer) faster. As long as there's nothing hugely wrong with your alignment (like major toe out in the back), just initiate harder, countersteer sooner, drift. Practice practice practice.

well, i have the tendency to countersteer to lock, since i don't have a guided road to follow so i just go around in a C. My alignment was freshly done though, and then i raised the front 1/2mm over the size of the coilover wrenches, so about 7mm height change, just fronts. to counter steer sooner, should i be countersteering while clutching in after the clutch kick or wait till i feel the tail slight out more?

lifting and countersteering will stop you from spinning out, and thats not foolproof. ebrake should only be used to initiate REALLY big corners, to extend a drift (another fast technique), or to get you out of trouble (spin you out to aviod a wall).

you wont learn car control by drifting in the rain, so dont do it. it will teach you how to drift slow and wrong.

keep it off the streets, and go to an event. you will be amazed how fast you learn, and people can give you advice as well.

well, i am broke and looking for a helmet and chicago events are 100$ registration fees. i dont have that kind of money :/ but i do hit n quit in my schools parking lot, which is huge and never has cars in it (no lie)

but i barely ever use my ebrake to initiate because i don't wanna rely on it too much and because it isn't strong enough, i havent tightened it

whats lifting? and so pulling the ebrake will cause me to spin out during mid drift?

[shiftdrift]

actually, if you can find an OPEN parking lot that you can slide around in that's a great place to learn basic stuff, despite what people say. in the rain and snow is a GREAT place to learn car control during drifting and i like to slide everytime it rains.

[REVOisGO]

well, being broke and wanting to drift should be more of a concern than wanting to learn how to drift....

drifting costs A LOT. especially when you decide to get rid of your KA. getting tires, mounting them, shit you break when you mess up, it all costs a lot. a lot more than you really want to put into a $2000 car....

but heres my first question, do you have a welded diff? if you are trying to drift on an open differential, stop right now, pull your diff out, and take it somewhere to get it welded. drifting on an open diff is pointless. you will spin out once you get into a drift, straighten out if you do get into a drift, and it will not teach you anything.

to answer your question, lifting is simply taking your foot off the gas pedal.

pulling the ebrake and turning away from your countersteer will cause you to spin out. for example, you are drifting a left turn, your wheels are turned to the right, and you want to spin out because you are about to hit something. you yank your ebrake, and turn your wheel away from your countersteer (you turn it left in this case). then, you spin out. learning how to properly use your ebrake will save your ass eventually. tighten up that ebrake and get a drift button.

[chiboy002]

actually, if you can find an OPEN parking lot that you can slide around in that's a great place to learn basic stuff, despite what people say. in the rain and snow is a GREAT place to learn car control during drifting and i like to slide everytime it rains.
thats what i was under the impression of!

well, being broke and wanting to drift should be more of a concern than wanting to learn how to drift....

drifting costs A LOT. especially when you decide to get rid of your KA. getting tires, mounting them, shit you break when you mess up, it all costs a lot. a lot more than you really want to put into a $2000 car....

but heres my first question, do you have a welded diff? if you are trying to drift on an open differential, stop right now, pull your diff out, and take it somewhere to get it welded. drifting on an open diff is pointless. you will spin out once you get into a drift, straighten out if you do get into a drift, and it will not teach you anything.

to answer your question, lifting is simply taking your foot off the gas pedal.

pulling the ebrake and turning away from your countersteer will cause you to spin out. for example, you are drifting a left turn, your wheels are turned to the right, and you want to spin out because you are about to hit something. you yank your ebrake, and turn your wheel away from your countersteer (you turn it left in this case). then, you spin out. learning how to properly use your ebrake will save your ass eventually. tighten up that ebrake and get a drift button.

well, i have money on hand, roughly 1k, for broken parts ONLY (this money will not be going into anything else, it is simply a security fund)

i do have a welded diff ;)

oh ok, so pretty much the only way to counteract oversteering past the point of no return is to just let off the gas and keep heavy counter steer? Cause i've been watching drift bible, i know its old but its good, and reading driftsessions.com stuff and i thought you just kept throttle like medium to mild? What if i initiate and my back slides out too soon? thats what my problem was, i didn't even have enough time to let off the throttle to recover, my the time i had my wheels turned, i was already facing the wrong way... counter steer faster?? cause the problem what i think would be, let off throttle then you grip and lose drift, is there a way to do it without not drifting? or is that too advanced for me?

also, i dont want a spin turn nob :( lol, i wanna get used to pulling up and pushing down the ebrake, although it takes time, its just another one of those "cheats" that i don't want to rely on (i don't even want to touch my ebrake for that matter :))


swapping ka out? ARE YOU CRAZY?!?! ALL MOTOR F T W! one day you will all recognize me as one of the few, the proud, that has successfully built a ka-de all motor no boost. :P

[azndoc]

I don't understand why you wouldn't want to use your e-brake. What's the deal with people thinking the e-brake is the most evil thing.

E-brake drifting is the easiest shit in the world. Especially if your doing it in the rain. I'm actually going to take time out and write this shit out for you now.

For beginners the most important thing you need to learn is being comfortable in the car while your driving. Staying calm and analyzing your surroundings and situation is the key.

Not saying you should street drift, but if you find yourself in an open parking lot grab a cone or something that you can use as a reference point.

Place the cone in the middle and that is what you will be doing the most important thing as a beginner. Donuts, fucking do donuts all fucking day if you have to. It's the most basic foundation for you. You will learn the following.
1.) Steering control, you don't need a lot of steering wheel movement when you are doing donuts. Just small movements is fine.
2.) Throttle control- Finding the match between the throttle control and steering control is the key and really hard, but it all takes practice.
3.) Learning to be comfortable sideways. This is also important because if you can't even stay calm doing donuts then you will have a hard time connecting a corner with a clipping point.

Doing donuts will help you out so much. And after you have mastered doing donuts move onto figure eights to help you learn how to transition.

A lot of times people initiate into a corner, but they don't let the steering wheel counter and just give too much gas at the same time which will cause you to spin. Its all about learning the basics and moving from there.

Good luck.

[REVOisGO]

swapping ka out? ARE YOU CRAZY?!?! ALL MOTOR F T W! one day you will all recognize me as one of the few, the proud, that has successfully built a ka-de all motor no boost. :P

yeah, you and every other kid without enough money to do a decent swap.

i went through 3 ka's, an sr20, and now im getting rid of my rb25. the sr20 and the rb25 were fine, the KA's blew up. you'll learn eventually. its not worth it for me to type out.

[all show no go]

actually, if you can find an OPEN parking lot that you can slide around in that's a great place to learn basic stuff, despite what people say. in the rain and snow is a GREAT place to learn car control during drifting and i like to slide everytime it rains.


Indeed. The rain is the best time.. Pace yourself & get familiar with the feeling of the car

being sideways. Like Azndoc said also, Donuts will set the foundation for your steering & gas

feel skills, Figure 8's help with anticipating when to give it gas & how much countersteer

you'll need to catch the weight of the car as it comes back around. While you are practicing

learning the feel of these you'll gradually start learning how to maintain dying drifts & how to

correct mistakes. It's all seat time, nothing more.

[zugoi]

how about you just learn how to drive?How you gunna search "how to drift" . i can explain heart surgery over the internet. Does that mean you are gunna be able to do it?

[Silverbullet]

two most important things i learned when i first started drifting was:

1. dont fight the car when counter steering. The car will steer itself, you need to just guide the wheel.

2. don't give it too much gas after initial traction loss!!

You can learn and read everything online, but its not going to teach you how to drive. You cant just follow A B and C instructions, its about going out there and practicing. You need to feel how much Gs you car can pull and from there you can determine if your giving too much or too little of everything. its all muscle memory really.

[chiboy002]

I don't understand why you wouldn't want to use your e-brake. What's the deal with people thinking the e-brake is the most evil thing.

E-brake drifting is the easiest shit in the world. Especially if your doing it in the rain. I'm actually going to take time out and write this shit out for you now.

For beginners the most important thing you need to learn is being comfortable in the car while your driving. Staying calm and analyzing your surroundings and situation is the key.

Not saying you should street drift, but if you find yourself in an open parking lot grab a cone or something that you can use as a reference point.

Place the cone in the middle and that is what you will be doing the most important thing as a beginner. Donuts, fucking do donuts all fucking day if you have to. It's the most basic foundation for you. You will learn the following.
1.) Steering control, you don't need a lot of steering wheel movement when you are doing donuts. Just small movements is fine.
2.) Throttle control- Finding the match between the throttle control and steering control is the key and really hard, but it all takes practice.
3.) Learning to be comfortable sideways. This is also important because if you can't even stay calm doing donuts then you will have a hard time connecting a corner with a clipping point.

Doing donuts will help you out so much. And after you have mastered doing donuts move onto figure eights to help you learn how to transition.

A lot of times people initiate into a corner, but they don't let the steering wheel counter and just give too much gas at the same time which will cause you to spin. Its all about learning the basics and moving from there.

Good luck.
i just don't want to be reliant on my ebrake. as well as the fact that only one caliper piston pops out so it doesnt lock up the rears pretty well... but man thanks for those tips. im going to find a decent place to do so, the school parking lot is 1mile from a cop station
how about you just learn how to drive?How you gunna search "how to drift" . i can explain heart surgery over the internet. Does that mean you are gunna be able to do it?
how bout you stay out of my thread if your no help? have you never looked on zilvia for some help on something your stuck on? have you never asked a superior for some help on something you don't understand? have you never gone to school? going on driftsessions.com has given me more answers than questions. there are great tips on there and i don't expect just reading to teach me how to be a forumla d winner. so please, think before you post.
two most important things i learned when i first started drifting was:

1. dont fight the car when counter steering. The car will steer itself, you need to just guide the wheel.

2. DON'T GIVE IT TOO MUCH GAS after initial traction loss!!

You can learn and read everything online, but its not going to teach you how to drive. You cant just follow A B and C instructions, its about going out there and practicing. You need to feel how much Gs you car can pull and from there you can determine if your giving too much or too little of everything. its all muscle memory really.
i think the gas is my main issue cause when i was in the rain i would just stomp the pedal, but the day after when it was dry and i took it out i had a bit more control over the throttle and it seemed to follow my directions
Indeed. The rain is the best time.. Pace yourself & get familiar with the feeling of the car

being sideways. Like Azndoc said also, Donuts will set the foundation for your steering & gas

feel skills, Figure 8's help with anticipating when to give it gas & how much countersteer

you'll need to catch the weight of the car as it comes back around. While you are practicing

learning the feel of these you'll gradually start learning how to maintain dying drifts & how to

correct mistakes. It's all seat time, nothing more. wuuutt? when getting into a donut, how should i? just drive in a circle then whip it out some time during the circle, or like drive into it? i know its a dumb question but w.e

yeah, you and every other kid without enough money to do a decent swap.

i went through 3 ka's, an sr20, and now im getting rid of my rb25. the sr20 and the rb25 were fine, the KA's blew up. you'll learn eventually. its not worth it for me to type out.
i would have had enough money to swap 2 motors into my car, had i not gone about this all the right way and built my suspension before touching the motor. i don't want to swap a motor into my car cause im not really about speed or power (until later.) i just want to learn my car better before i start doing motor mods. as well as, i don't want to lose the reliability of my ka, stock car with original motor is the best you can get. no matter how well you swap a motor it, its not going to be the same. especially with having to hack up the harness, fuck that man its just too many things that can go wrong. not until i have money to pay a top-notch shop to do it, i won't consider. and i'd just build the ka to get no more than 250hp. thats enough for me

[ericcastro]

This

I don't understand why you wouldn't want to use your e-brake. What's the deal with people thinking the e-brake is the most evil thing.

E-brake drifting is the easiest shit in the world. Especially if your doing it in the rain. I'm actually going to take time out and write this shit out for you now.

For beginners the most important thing you need to learn is being comfortable in the car while your driving. Staying calm and analyzing your surroundings and situation is the key.

Not saying you should street drift, but if you find yourself in an open parking lot grab a cone or something that you can use as a reference point.

Place the cone in the middle and that is what you will be doing the most important thing as a beginner. Donuts, fucking do donuts all fucking day if you have to. It's the most basic foundation for you. You will learn the following.
1.) Steering control, you don't need a lot of steering wheel movement when you are doing donuts. Just small movements is fine.
2.) Throttle control- Finding the match between the throttle control and steering control is the key and really hard, but it all takes practice.
3.) Learning to be comfortable sideways. This is also important because if you can't even stay calm doing donuts then you will have a hard time connecting a corner with a clipping point.

Doing donuts will help you out so much. And after you have mastered doing donuts move onto figure eights to help you learn how to transition.

A lot of times people initiate into a corner, but they don't let the steering wheel counter and just give too much gas at the same time which will cause you to spin. Its all about learning the basics and moving from there.

Good luck.


Not so much this.
Indeed. The rain is the best time.. Pace yourself & get familiar with the feeling of the car

being sideways. Like Azndoc said also, Donuts will set the foundation for your steering & gas

feel skills, Figure 8's help with anticipating when to give it gas & how much countersteer

you'll need to catch the weight of the car as it comes back around. While you are practicing

learning the feel of these you'll gradually start learning how to maintain dying drifts & how to

correct mistakes. It's all seat time, nothing more.


Rain is by far the worse time to learn imo.
And figure 8's arent for " anticipating when to give it gas & how much countersteer ".
Figure 8's are for learning to transition.


donuts teach you how to hold a single corner.
figure 8's teach you how to go from one corner to the next.

Use the Ebrake, I do, even with low HP.

As stated above, seat time.
The ebrake will not stop you from spinning out.
Make sure when the car starts to slide, that you let go of the steering wheel and grab it when your car has reached the angle you want.
I usually lift off the gas a bit as I grab the wheel, that helps it to "set".
Where you look, is where your car will go.
Make sure you are close enough to the wheel that your arms never have to fully extend.

You will not be able to drift if you cant consistenly do controled donuts. You may slide a corner, but you wont have control and your exit will be all snappy looking and not smooth.

[ranger240]

I think, if i remember correctly, i should pull the ebrake to stop oversteer from going to far?

thanks guys

simple answer, buy a fwd car, oversteering problems solved

serious simple answer, buy a book or two on vehicle dynamics/driving. you'll learn tons and will be a safer driver... giving more gas when the back end is light in a turn'll help gain traction... you need to read up on weight transfer and stuff

you should NOT pull the handbrake to stop a slide, if anything that'll just cause more oversteer

this book is a great intro book for general car control
Amazon.com: Speed Secrets: Professional Race Driving Techniques (9780760305188):… (http://www.amazon.com/Speed-Secrets-Professional-Driving-Techniques/dp/0760305188)

[essforteen]

I don't understand why you wouldn't want to use your e-brake. What's the deal with people thinking the e-brake is the most evil thing.

E-brake drifting is the easiest shit in the world. Especially if your doing it in the rain. I'm actually going to take time out and write this shit out for you now.

For beginners the most important thing you need to learn is being comfortable in the car while your driving. Staying calm and analyzing your surroundings and situation is the key.

Not saying you should street drift, but if you find yourself in an open parking lot grab a cone or something that you can use as a reference point.

Place the cone in the middle and that is what you will be doing the most important thing as a beginner. Donuts, fucking do donuts all fucking day if you have to. It's the most basic foundation for you. You will learn the following.
1.) Steering control, you don't need a lot of steering wheel movement when you are doing donuts. Just small movements is fine.
2.) Throttle control- Finding the match between the throttle control and steering control is the key and really hard, but it all takes practice.
3.) Learning to be comfortable sideways. This is also important because if you can't even stay calm doing donuts then you will have a hard time connecting a corner with a clipping point.

Doing donuts will help you out so much. And after you have mastered doing donuts move onto figure eights to help you learn how to transition.

A lot of times people initiate into a corner, but they don't let the steering wheel counter and just give too much gas at the same time which will cause you to spin. Its all about learning the basics and moving from there.

Good luck.


You Forgot To Say
"You Got to Commit!!"

Listen to Jack's advice he knows what he is doing!!

[all show no go]

Rain is by far the worse time to learn imo.


I feel it is best, but it's okay everyone has their own opinions. The reason I like the rain a little better is that I already know how delicate I would have to be to drift something at a rain event or something. I've seen a lot of folks that learned on dry surfaces have a much harder time to drift in the rain while I feel right at home. Just saying..


And figure 8's arent for "anticipating when to give it gas & how much countersteer ".
Figure 8's are for learning to transition.


I see what you're sayin' Castro, maybe I picked lousy words or didn't go into too much detail.

What I mean is, yes a transition into the next corner OR around the other cone (figure 8's). By anticipating I meant to say that if you don't learn the timing to let the car's weight come back when you need it to, the line of the drift into the next turn (figure 8) could be too short, or could be difficult to keep the momentum of the car in control and in a good rpm range to keep the wheels spinning.

Timing & rhythm of the transition to sum it up


Use the Ebrake, I do, even with low HP.


Agreed, it's handy and has plenty of function in many situations.

Someone else said it's like trying to explain heart surgery over the internet. There's just too many things you have to do yourself & get the feel for things. You'll have your own driving style, preferences, techniques, & difficulties. Just keep practicing & don't get discouraged because there's a lot of stuff you have to be aware of. Oh & you said something about starting donuts.. try this, I posted this video earlier but it's a simple way to get donuts started.

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[hOngsterr]

buy the drift bible, that is all.

[fckillerbee]

come to a 626 drift event and I will teach you in a day!



DONE!





if you can't do that, listen to jack (azndoc)




DONE!





p.s. Hi castro! haahahaha

[titangts]

just remember...point your tires in the direction you want to go... and do it quickly. heavy throttle is no good untill you have the drift. lift in tight turns.

[ericcastro]

Drifting in rain is totally a different technique then dry.
The way your car reacts in rain and dry can be totally oposite depending.

Thats why i say its bad.
It teaches you the wrong reaction.

When I am coming on a inside clip to close in rain, I can throttle and loose more traction that way to slide by without pushing myself forwards.

If I do that in dry, I will go even more inside. The proper dry technique would be to yank the ebrake and stop your forwards momentum.
In the rain, a ebrake would spin you out.

If you are in a giant parking lot, it prolly makes no difference.
But I you are on the street, going to close by a foot on the inside means your fucked.

just my 2cents.

[240XTC]

Indeed. The rain is the best time.. Pace yourself & get familiar with the feeling of the car

being sideways. Like Azndoc said also, Donuts will set the foundation for your steering & gas

feel skills, Figure 8's help with anticipating when to give it gas & how much countersteer

you'll need to catch the weight of the car as it comes back around. While you are practicing

learning the feel of these you'll gradually start learning how to maintain dying drifts & how to

correct mistakes. It's all seat time, nothing more.

Yes, I like this gentlemans style.....and a + 1 for rain :)

[Perfect Balance]

Honestly, I think you're fucked dude. You need to understand how it works before you do it. It's not something you just "try" until you get better at it. If you don't know what to do, you'll never get it, or you will "kind of" learn how to do it, and just spend the rest of your time getting better at doing it wrong.

Watch the drift bible, read up on how drifting works, learn to feel your car and when it's sliding. Drifting is proactive, not reactive. You need to know what the car is going to do, and act ahead of time to make it do what you want. You countersteer as the car begins to slide, you don't wait until it's sideways and start cranking the wheel.

Most of all I'd say quit "trying" to drift. Let the car do what it wants to do. If you can figure this out, you can set the car up for corners so it will go through them correctly without you doing anything but letting go of the steering wheel and catching it again at the right time. I can't stress letting go of the steering wheel enough. Let the car do it's thing, your job is to learn what it takes to make it "do it's thing" in the direction you want it to.

EDIT: Also, you shouldn't have welded the diff until you had a feel for the car. Welding the diff helps keep long drifts going, but now you've got to adjust for a car that wants to understeer, and then when it finally oversteers, any throttle input makes it oversteer even harder. With an open diff you would have still had a car that turns in well, while still being able to drift pretty much anything under 180 degrees. Not to mention you would have learned the importance of carrying speed into a corner instead of just getting on the throttle once you're in a corner.

[fckillerbee]

okay...if you are learning, start out doing dougnuts like jack said. Probably the most important thing I can teach a person while doing dougnuts, is don't worry too much about the gas, and focus the most attention on the steering wheel...full throttle, burn those tires, but make sure you are pointing the car, and when you see that it rotates too much, you went to far. Its a learning experience for sure.

FYI...the drift bible did nothing for me...damn hand over hand drifting....no noob can hand over hand fast enough...shit, i don't even try.

come to an event, stop wasting your time trying to find answers to something that requires you sitting in a racing seat and not your computer seat. This thread doesn't need to keep going on.

[Perfect Balance]

The drift bible is good for learning entry techniques, the line, the timing. I don't literally mean going out there and try to copy what he does with his hands and feet.

Going out there and sitting in the racing seat does nothing for him if he doesn't know what to do. If you do it wrong, you'll just get good at doing it wrong. If you understand how it works first, you can go and apply it.

Doughnuts are good I guess, but I started with an open diff, so no doughnuts for me.

[fckillerbee]

that is why I said come out to an event, and get some seat time. I'm also an instructor for 626 drift, we tend to be the more reckless of the groups, but we are really good at helping people drift from start to finish.

i'll teach you.

[chiboy002]

simple answer, buy a fwd car, oversteering problems solved

serious simple answer, buy a book or two on vehicle dynamics/driving. you'll learn tons and will be a safer driver... giving more gas when the back end is light in a turn'll help gain traction... you need to read up on weight transfer and stuff

you should NOT pull the handbrake to stop a slide, if anything that'll just cause more oversteer

this book is a great intro book for general car control
Amazon.com: Speed Secrets: Professional Race Driving Techniques (9780760305188):… (http://www.amazon.com/Speed-Secrets-Professional-Driving-Techniques/dp/0760305188)
no thanks, im not a quitter. but something i definitely need to look into steering dynamics and shit, thats something ive overlooked.


Someone else said it's like trying to explain heart surgery over the internet. There's just too many things you have to do yourself & get the feel for things. You'll have your own driving style, preferences, techniques, & difficulties. Just keep practicing & don't get discouraged because there's a lot of stuff you have to be aware of. Oh & you said something about starting donuts.. try this, I posted this video earlier but it's a simple way to get donuts started.


thanks man, ill look at the video

buy the drift bible, that is all.
seen it 3 times, doesnt really help besides "fundamentals." Keiichi is a pro, he doesnt teach you how to start drifting he just teaches you the techniques. he leaves many gaps in between for a beginner to fill in with unknown knowledge (if that makes sense) and so it causes them to go about it the wrong way. its like a pro teaching a newb how to be a pro without taking years of practice. he didn't elaborate on starting, he just showed u what to do and expects it to work

come to a 626 drift event and I will teach you in a day!



DONE!





if you can't do that, listen to jack (azndoc)




DONE!





p.s. Hi chiboy002! haahahaha
fixed. :D and dude id love to go to cali events, but im rarely ever out there... lol. and clubfr (main event sponsor and runner in illinois) barely has any this year, theres like 7 max that are within 4 hour drive from my house. and all of them are 100$ entry costs, thats alot of $ for just 1 event man, you cali guys have it good for 35$ and shit i see, but thats the only advantage to cali living :P

Drifting in rain is totally a different technique then dry.
The way your car reacts in rain and dry can be totally oposite depending.

Thats why i say its bad.
It teaches you the wrong reaction.

When I am coming on a inside clip to close in rain, I can throttle and loose more traction that way to slide by without pushing myself forwards.

If I do that in dry, I will go even more inside. The proper dry technique would be to yank the ebrake and stop your forwards momentum.
In the rain, a ebrake would spin you out.

If you are in a giant parking lot, it prolly makes no difference.
But I you are on the street, going to close by a foot on the inside means your fucked.

just my 2cents.
yeah, cause i did notice when in the rain i could just stomp the pedal and i would begin to slide out, and then steering was not really there (for the amount of skill i have) but when i did it on dry road it was much easier to control. rain, imo, would only be good once you have a good ground to work off, since it really lacks controlling the car. i think?

Honestly, I think you're fucked dude. You need to understand how it works before you do it. It's not something you just "try" until you get better at it. If you don't know what to do, you'll never get it, or you will "kind of" learn how to do it, and just spend the rest of your time getting better at doing it wrong.

Watch the drift bible, read up on how drifting works, learn to feel your car and when it's sliding. Drifting is proactive, not reactive. You need to know what the car is going to do, and act ahead of time to make it do what you want. You countersteer as the car begins to slide, you don't wait until it's sideways and start cranking the wheel.

Most of all I'd say quit "trying" to drift. Let the car do what it wants to do. If you can figure this out, you can set the car up for corners so it will go through them correctly without you doing anything but letting go of the steering wheel and catching it again at the right time. I can't stress letting go of the steering wheel enough. Let the car do it's thing, your job is to learn what it takes to make it "do it's thing" in the direction you want it to.

EDIT: Also, you shouldn't have welded the diff until you had a feel for the car. Welding the diff helps keep long drifts going, but now you've got to adjust for a car that wants to understeer, and then when it finally oversteers, any throttle input makes it oversteer even harder. With an open diff you would have still had a car that turns in well, while still being able to drift pretty much anything under 180 degrees. Not to mention you would have learned the importance of carrying speed into a corner instead of just getting on the throttle once you're in a corner.
mother fucker, i was told drifting was worthless without a welded by the people around here.. risky devil guys LOL. fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck, oh well. something i must over come, right? ok, i understand your point of the letting the wheel go and doing its thing cause i watched this roadatlanta vid, in car footy, and all the guy does is counter a bit then lets the wheel go and catches then whips it back. i don't really understand that, cause his wheel spins so easily but ill find out. what i dont really get is how should i do throttle control? do i just keep it at a steady rpm range, for example mid drift no more than 4-5k rpm, or do i just stomp it, or do i let it off the throttle? (drift bible kinda hints at that iirc)

okay...if you are learning, start out doing dougnuts like jack said. Probably the most important thing I can teach a person while doing dougnuts, is don't worry too much about the gas, and focus the most attention on the steering wheel...full throttle, burn those tires, but make sure you are pointing the car, and when you see that it rotates too much, you went to far. Its a learning experience for sure.

FYI...the drift bible did nothing for me...damn hand over hand drifting....no noob can hand over hand fast enough...shit, i don't even try.

come to an event, stop wasting your time trying to find answers to something that requires you sitting in a racing seat and not your computer seat. This thread doesn't need to keep going on.
drift bible doesnt do much for me either, as elaborated above







Sorry guys for the lack of participation on my part in my own thread and multiple quoted replies. it must get annoying. im stuck between finals and getting small kinks out of my car so i have been really busy, as well as not being home for a few days. ill be here somewhat but if you have some good input id appreciate it and i will respond accordingly within a few days at the most. Thanks for all the help and i am looking forward to more! one day when i make it big, i will reimburse all of you.... lol

[thefro526]

I had similar issues when I was learning how to drift back when I had my first S13.

I would get the car sideways and throw it to lock and spin out. I knew it wasn't a steering angle issue, or anything of the sort so I looked at my driving and I realized that I would go in too fast, stay in the throttle too long, and not countersteer fast enough. Also - I found that most of my problems were because I wasn't being forced to follow a line.

My suggestion to you would be to go to an event, and let someone else drive your car. This will tell you if it's a car issue or your driving. It sounds to me like a driving issue - no offense. Then, if it is your driving, then ask an instructor to ride a long with you. If you get someone who knows their stuff, they can completely turn your driving around in just a few runs.

But, if that's not an available or viable option for you (if it's not, you should re-assess your priorities) then a large piece of open pavement is good enough to learn the basics. What I usually suggest beginners do is 3 easy things:

1) Learn how to do a donut while maintaining a constant radius. Go get a cone, a cheap plastic chair, an inflatble doll, etc. and do some donuts around it. The key here is to try to maintain a constant distance between you and the object.

2) Once you're good at doing donuts at a constant radius, try varying it a little bit. Learn how to get closer and further away from the object in a controlled fashion. This will teach you the basics of adjusting your line mid-drift.

3) After that, go get another object and space them out a reasonable distance, I'd say about 100 - 125ft for a low powered a car, assuming you have plenty of space to wipe out at that spacing, and do figure 8's around them. This teaches you how to transition along with holding a drift.

If you've gotten through those three things, it's really time you look at going to an event, because realistically, that's the only way you're really going to improve to the next level.

Btw, the above steps were how I was taught, after I spent 4 of 5 months failing at drifting. I'm not saying it made me good or anything, but it was good enough to get me to understand some of the basic concepts.

[chiboy002]

I had similar issues when I was learning how to drift back when I had my first S13.

I would get the car sideways and throw it to lock and spin out. I knew it wasn't a steering angle issue, or anything of the sort so I looked at my driving and I realized that I would go in too fast, stay in the throttle too long, and not countersteer fast enough. Also - I found that most of my problems were because I wasn't being forced to follow a line.

My suggestion to you would be to go to an event, and let someone else drive your car. This will tell you if it's a car issue or your driving. It sounds to me like a driving issue - no offense. Then, if it is your driving, then ask an instructor to ride a long with you. If you get someone who knows their stuff, they can completely turn your driving around in just a few runs.

But, if that's not an available or viable option for you (if it's not, you should re-assess your priorities) then a large piece of open pavement is good enough to learn the basics. What I usually suggest beginners do is 3 easy things:

1) Learn how to do a donut while maintaining a constant radius. Go get a cone, a cheap plastic chair, an inflatble doll, etc. and do some donuts around it. The key here is to try to maintain a constant distance between you and the object.

2) Once you're good at doing donuts at a constant radius, try varying it a little bit. Learn how to get closer and further away from the object in a controlled fashion. This will teach you the basics of adjusting your line mid-drift.

3) After that, go get another object and space them out a reasonable distance, I'd say about 100 - 125ft for a low powered a car, assuming you have plenty of space to wipe out at that spacing, and do figure 8's around them. This teaches you how to transition along with holding a drift.

If you've gotten through those three things, it's really time you look at going to an event, because realistically, that's the only way you're really going to improve to the next level.

Btw, the above steps were how I was taught, after I spent 4 of 5 months failing at drifting. I'm not saying it made me good or anything, but it was good enough to get me to understand some of the basic concepts.

thanks man, i really appreciate this help. its more in depth than just do donuts. i know my driving skill is low, since im a new driver, but we all start somewhere and i do have experience driving some kinda shit, go karts in the winter :D, im almost positive there arent any instructors at the clubfr events, mainly its just a bunch of low key drifters and some risky devils guys. they're willing to teach me basics but theyre not really up to ride along because they have better things to do.

[slider2828]

The drift bible has practicing techniques for beginners....

[turns101]

Get rid of that s13 and get a Miata...

[Perfect Balance]

Yeah that will teach him to drift!

Since we're heading in that directions, I say better yet, get a shifter kart and learn to drift in that....

[fckillerbee]

Get rid of that s13 and get a Miata...

that's because no one is more boss than jeff abbott!!!

[chiboy002]

The drift bible has practicing techniques for beginners....
yeah all the way at the end when hes in the trueno but those are very short. he explains them for roughly 5 minutes and the rest is footage of him doing it. the video i just watched, the 1.58min video was great. told me how to do it, and he explains WHILE driving while doing it. idk, drift bible didnt really give me guidance of any sort

[chiboy002]

Get rid of that s13 and get a Miata...
i saw your miata, threw up and took a cold shower... LOL jk, its nice but miatas arent for me. i dont like them, too small. same reason i dislike s2000s or bmw z3. they do have a tendency to slide quite easily though. but i like my 240sx. it has no rust, thats a gem
Yeah that will teach him to drift!

Since we're heading in that directions, I say better yet, get a shifter kart and learn to drift in that....

lol, actually... i do practice counter steer at my local gokart track. but that shit isnt the same, full lock is nothing. you turn the wheel 60* and its full lock.

[turns101]

i saw your miata, threw up and took a cold shower... LOL jk, its nice but miatas arent for me. i dont like them, too small. same reason i dislike s2000s or bmw z3. they do have a tendency to slide quite easily though. but i like my 240sx. it has no rust, thats a gem


lol, actually... i do practice counter steer at my local gokart track. but that shit isnt the same, full lock is nothing. you turn the wheel 60* and its full lock.

Wow, I am sorry you hate it so much LOL
As for sliding easily, someone lied to you ;)

Go to some drift days you have around there. have someone jump in and learn.

As for rust, my car loves rust..

[truebluegallo]

practice douche theres kids out there with welded difs an hacked springs with no real alignment killing it get off an go drive

[fckillerbee]

practice douche theres kids out there with welded difs an hacked springs with no real alignment killing it get off an go drive

eric castro now has full suspension for the record....lol


and i'll rock welded all day er day. and yes, my track slut is my daily slut. Pulled over twice this week...still no tickets...ahh...white.




and...miatas aren't easy to drive...especially a turbo one like jeff's. I'm sure I couldn't drive it as well as he does!

http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/124/l_61db58b5640b8703254d75db9e04ed72.jpg

completely stock miata...took 3 laps to drift it...and for me..that's a lot longer than normal. btw..car was dead at the end of the day. lol..

shit felt like it was going to roll over at transition.

[renegade_ewok]

You know what it sounds like to me?

It sounds like you just need some tracktime...

[fckillerbee]

You know what it sounds like to me?

It sounds like you just need some tracktime...

AND WE HAVE A WINNER!!!.....BOB...TELL HIM WHAT HE'S WON..... lol

he needs seat time with a instructor. Fixes everything.

[renegade_ewok]

Even without an instructor I was able to figure out a really good basis for how drifting works. The shit makes sense to me in a physics sense.

Once you understand that, you just have to figure out what to do for that to happen and its a feel thing.

That being said, I am still gonna take drift instruction this year. That takes your shit to another level.

[fckillerbee]

yes, advanced lessons are sweet...manipulating your own line mid drift...ahh..so fun. little left foot braking...haha.

yes..simple physics....but, some people just don't get it. I have had a few that were just really hard learners. (getting over habits)

[jbballa9876]

Damn man have you even tried to really get out and drive or do you just expect to keep watching videos and ask these guys...?! If the drift bible hasnt helped you nothing will. I think fwd is your best bet, just get yourself a civic hatch with an h22 and youll be a much happier person. Drifting is a passion for true drivers.

[240XTC]

Your title: how to combat oversteer (spinning out) help? = Teach me how to drift.


Can you specify exactly what it is your having trouble with? For example, the course you set out for yourself, if any?

[fckillerbee]

Your title: how to combat oversteer (spinning out) help? = Teach me how to drift.


Can you specify exactly what it is your having trouble with? For example, the course you set out for yourself, if any?


did you even read anything....get back on youdrift before you infect someone on here.

[240XTC]

^^^^ Anyways. Back to OP, may you clarify the certain obstacle/ course you set out for your self? It would be easier to diagnose and treat.

Saying "spinning out" is a bit too broad of a genre to cover.

[hOngsterr]

when he turns her over steers hence spinning out, which he does not want lol.

[chiboy002]

Wow, I am sorry you hate it so much LOL
As for sliding easily, someone lied to you ;)

Go to some drift days you have around there. have someone jump in and learn.

As for rust, my car loves rust..
yeah i bought a helmet now, so drift days are a possibility now! woot!! but still help would be good. i just get the whole donuts shit going. i need something like throttle control? too much gas and you spin out right?

AND WE HAVE A WINNER!!!.....BOB...TELL HIM WHAT HE'S WON..... lol

he needs seat time with a instructor. Fixes everything.
what would the best substitue for an instructor be? i dont have any instructors at our events since it isnt legit courses, usually the events are held at air bases or small time tracks. one is held at USA International Raceway, but no instructors either.

Even without an instructor I was able to figure out a really good basis for how drifting works. The shit makes sense to me in a physics sense.

Once you understand that, you just have to figure out what to do for that to happen and its a feel thing.

That being said, I am still gonna take drift instruction this year. That takes your shit to another level.

yes, advanced lessons are sweet...manipulating your own line mid drift...ahh..so fun. little left foot braking...haha.

yes..simple physics....but, some people just don't get it. I have had a few that were just really hard learners. (getting over habits)
taking physics next year!! that shit will help alot i presume
when he turns her over steers hence spinning out, which he does not want lol.

^^^^ Anyways. Back to OP, may you clarify the certain obstacle/ course you set out for your self? It would be easier to diagnose and treat.

Saying "spinning out" is a bit too broad of a genre to cover.
pretty much hongster got it, no course just turns here and there - no designated line to follow, but pretty much id hit a turn then i would spin out into a 180. dont want that


as for the rest of you guys who say go to the track and get seat time, get off the computer, and all that shit. gtfo since you havent read the 1st page. i clearly specified that my situation doesnt provide me as many track days as you california kids. my next track day is june 22nd. that is a long ways away so until then i need someting to work with - advice not some bullshit like get off ur ass and go drive. going and driving is pointless if im going to repeat what i do. so please, gtfo and stop cluttering my thread. as for the rest of you guys, thanks alot!!

[240sxChillen]

Crash and learn :eek3d:

[chiboy002]

Crash and learn :eek3d:

LOL lemme crash, post a vid on youtube, and then learn to crash less?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igKP0Y3Mswo

[240XTC]

pretty much hongster got it, no course just turns here and there - no designated line to follow, but pretty much id hit a turn then i would spin out into a 180. dont want that


What's your choice of initiation, speed and gear coming in when you do this?

[turns101]

You have alot of good drivers out there.
Get one in your car to help you.

That, or you will just keep heading out late night and learning. It will just take longer. You will also likely crash and break shit. Hopefully at that point you dont hurt yourself or someone else.

Thats why people say to keep it off the streets. Its not personal..

[fcdrifter20]

LOL lemme crash, post a vid on youtube, and then learn to crash less?
YouTube - Lake Shore Drift (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igKP0Y3Mswo)


is this you driving in the video?

[chiboy002]

is this you driving in the video?
HELL NAW thats some drifting-ricer in chicago doing it on a heavily cop patrolled area...
You have alot of good drivers out there.
Get one in your car to help you.

That, or you will just keep heading out late night and learning. It will just take longer. You will also likely crash and break shit. Hopefully at that point you dont hurt yourself or someone else.

Thats why people say to keep it off the streets. Its not personal..
yeah dude, i honestly don't do it much on the street. i did it a total of 3 times at the school parking lot and havent gone since. I know seat time is what will get me the practice needed, but i am in no way trying to put myself or others in harms way. I don't want to be giving a community in which i enjoy their practices a bad name. That's not what i'm here for. As far as the drivers, ill ask one of the nicer drift guys to help me - a good amount of the local drifters can be ass holes to us newbs.

What's your choice of initiation, speed and gear coming in when you do this?
clutch kick, i go in hot from 2-3 then either double-clutch down or just clutch kick like a mofo.

[fckillerbee]

for the most part, sounds like you are reacting too slow. Have someone film you driving, to show how late you are contersteering. That was my problem as a noob. Watched a video of me driving, saw the problem, started contersteering a lot faster.

240xtc....he is spinning out... you don't spin out from holding the e-brake, or lifting, you spin by powering over cause you can't hold the drift, or initiating too hard, but that is not his case, he just can't hold line.....fuck get out of here already.....

and stay in one gear, don't get your self confused, stay in second, power over, start simple.

[fcdrifter20]

clutch kick, i go in hot from 2-3 then either double-clutch down or just clutch kick like a mofo.

so your going in 2nd and shifting up to 3rd while in the turn??



for the most part, sounds like you are reacting too slow. Have someone film you driving, to show how late you are contersteering. That was my problem as a noob. Watched a video of me driving, saw the problem, started contersteering a lot faster.

240xtc....he is spinning out... you don't spin out from holding the e-brake, or lifting, you spin by powering over cause you can't hold the drift, or initiating too hard, but that is not his case, he just can't hold line.....fuck get out of here already.....

and stay in one gear, don't get your self confused, stay in second, power over, start simple.

sound like this mite be your problem...how is your hand placement while your driving. This mite sound a little weird but i have ridden along with a couple of ppl who had the problem of counter steering to late. I began to notice that when they went to counter they would fumble all over there own hands, causing them to be to slow when it came time to counter....this mite be your problem, but its just a thot

[240XTC]

So staying on subject...............


clutch kick, i go in hot from 2-3 then either double-clutch down or just clutch kick like a mofo.


Try this: Clutch kick. Turn in. Counter steer quickly to catch that weight. Then balance your wheel left to right according to your acceleration to deceleration.

Check out lesson 3 to get a visual from Monkey man Nomuken since your using clutch kick :)
0MJOKh8aktM

Take all the other advice into consideration as well and develop your own driving style. This will differentiate you from others. ;)

[fckillerbee]

I don't understand why you wouldn't want to use your e-brake. What's the deal with people thinking the e-brake is the most evil thing.

E-brake drifting is the easiest shit in the world. Especially if your doing it in the rain. I'm actually going to take time out and write this shit out for you now.

For beginners the most important thing you need to learn is being comfortable in the car while your driving. Staying calm and analyzing your surroundings and situation is the key.

Not saying you should street drift, but if you find yourself in an open parking lot grab a cone or something that you can use as a reference point.

Place the cone in the middle and that is what you will be doing the most important thing as a beginner. Donuts, fucking do donuts all fucking day if you have to. It's the most basic foundation for you. You will learn the following.
1.) Steering control, you don't need a lot of steering wheel movement when you are doing donuts. Just small movements is fine.
2.) Throttle control- Finding the match between the throttle control and steering control is the key and really hard, but it all takes practice.
3.) Learning to be comfortable sideways. This is also important because if you can't even stay calm doing donuts then you will have a hard time connecting a corner with a clipping point.

Doing donuts will help you out so much. And after you have mastered doing donuts move onto figure eights to help you learn how to transition.

A lot of times people initiate into a corner, but they don't let the steering wheel counter and just give too much gas at the same time which will cause you to spin. Its all about learning the basics and moving from there.

Good luck.


this is what I mean....did you even read the thread.

I am not an asshole just to be one....you are not reading what is already posted, instead, we are re-reading something that has already been talked about. Wasting everyone's time, especially the OP....since he is trying to learn from real drivers.

[fckillerbee]

Correct (countersteer) faster. As long as there's nothing hugely wrong with your alignment (like major toe out in the back), just initiate harder, countersteer sooner, drift. Practice practice practice.

your answer sounded like this one...worded different.

[chiboy002]

So staying on subject...............




Try this: Clutch kick. Turn in. Counter steer quickly to catch that weight. Then balance your wheel left to right according to your acceleration to deceleration.

Check out lesson 3 to get a visual from Monkey man Nomuken since your using clutch kick :)
0MJOKh8aktM

Take all the other advice into consideration as well and develop your own driving style. This will differentiate you from others. ;)
fuck making my own style lol, for now i justw ant something that works and i can work with! thanks for the video though and yeah ill try countering faster as fckiller hinted at it as well

so your going in 2nd and shifting up to 3rd while in the turn??





sound like this mite be your problem...how is your hand placement while your driving. This mite sound a little weird but i have ridden along with a couple of ppl who had the problem of counter steering to late. I began to notice that when they went to counter they would fumble all over there own hands, causing them to be to slow when it came time to counter....this mite be your problem, but its just a thot
Naw dude, i mean like when i go into the turn ill be either in 2nd or 3rd- i come in hot as in fast but i dont shift during the whole duration of the drift since that takes much more skill. I mean if im in 3rd then ill go down to 2nd BEFORE the turn. I don't shift lock thats just so i can have the right torque and cause i hear u should start in low gears when you learn. But i only said that because i've tried, it is rare for me to go in fast enough to be in 3rd since i get a little scared.. :)

for the most part, sounds like you are reacting too slow. Have someone film you driving, to show how late you are contersteering. That was my problem as a noob. Watched a video of me driving, saw the problem, started contersteering a lot faster.

240xtc....he is spinning out... you don't spin out from holding the e-brake, or lifting, you spin by powering over cause you can't hold the drift, or initiating too hard, but that is not his case, he just can't hold line.....fuck get out of here already.....

and stay in one gear, don't get your self confused, stay in second, power over, start simple.

Good idea!! i forgot about how boxers always video themselves and watch it afterwards. Thanks man, ill do that asap. I think i initiate too hard though cause i just kick and stomp on the gas cause i get a little to gas-happy lol. I need to control it more but i also think it may be counter steer too late. ill post a video asap and see what you guys say. None of my friends drift and next time i go to a track it will be hard to get a video of me since it'll be at USAIR, and the track is kinda far plus ill probably end up gripping the whole time lol... fail

[240XTC]

fuck making my own style lol, for now i justw ant something that works and i can work with! thanks for the video though and yeah ill try countering faster as fckiller hinted at it as well


For sure man. Post some vids of your progress! :)


As for (fckillerbee) now that I'm done with the subject at hand: Im not going anywhere. Sucks huh? Ha ha. This is America jack. Get used to it.

I'm Eddy, what was your name?

[CrazyRob]

For sure man. Post some vids of your progress! :)


As for (fckillerbee) now that I'm done with the subject at hand: Im not going anywhere. Sucks huh? Ha ha. This is America jack. Get used to it.

I'm Eddy, what was your name?

ha ha ha ha. youre so cool bro. you must be a sick drifter with so much respect for people trying to actually help the op. i bet you have crazy original style... thats why you rep "youdrift" so hard... Seriously, this thread is dumb. you are ignorant and are probably learning japanese so you can read option mags because you dont have enough common sense to figure drifting out for yourself.

op- good luck, get on the track. track time is seriously worth it. seriously. ive done all of the dumb and illegal shit you can think of. track surface is better prepped so u go through less tires, you dont have obstacles and police, no pressure to look cool, and most importantly you'd have more experienced people around you to help you out. track time or bust since you made a thread as dumb as this one (no offense).

style has absolutely nothing to do with learning. style is the last thing you will develope. develop all of the other skills for drifting and get completely comfortable using them... then youll be capable of showing style. otherwise what youll think of as style, others will think of and an over-use of a technique because you cant smoothly transition from technique to technique

[fckillerbee]

For sure man. Post some vids of your progress! :)


As for (fckillerbee) now that I'm done with the subject at hand: Im not going anywhere. Sucks huh? Ha ha. This is America jack. Get used to it.

I'm Eddy, what was your name?

yes eddy, i am aware of your ignorant posts. And your "photoshopped" fake website. My name is David, so you can add me to the "hate list"...just put me next to Eric Castro, as him and I have almost Identical views.

See, its not you personally that bothers me, its the lack of effort that you put into things that destroys a community forum like this one.

You go around, posting half assed responses, with no real thought. I'm sure you have posted answer to questions with "i think, or i'm 90 percent sure"....but see...the problem lies there....if you don't know, don't post shit that can confuse the next person trying to get info.

See, I am a drifting instructor, I have been for two years now. I have taught people like teddy from mulsanne, and even given Karl Wasabi tips on his rb20 when he learned how to drive it. I also compete in amature events like the one's Jeff Abbott and Mike Essa were in before they got pro licenses.

So my opinion on driving, "in my opinion" should be held higher than a fanboy drifter that slides the car out around corners on the street. Oh, im sorry, you have probably been to adams, so that means you have been on a real race track....adams is, and forever will be a go kart track, not saying you can't drive on it, but its not in the same league as any amature or pro track.

So for every post that you make (unknowledgeable) I will make it appoint to the op, that you are ignorant, giving mis-information. Like your best friends that drive the bmw's on adams....clearly that was real.

Eddy, enjoy zilvia, we enjoy the laughs.

I look forward to your witty teenager comeback. Thank you.

-David

[fckillerbee]

fyi...drift n dragg is also one of my friends. Welcome to zilvia "Bra". And don't bother going on socal-drift.com....you won't last long there either. and if you are, congrats...whats your sn? i'll make sure you have a good time there too.

[240XTC]

-Lol. Nice to meet you David. Curious to know who you were :) Im suppose to hide because of your friends now right? lol.

-CrazyRob, Do you usually piggy back on peoples conversations like others?? Lol. Have fun as well buddy...




Stay on the subject and help the OP. Not my fault I was never speaking to both of you and you girls got on me..ha ha..

[fckillerbee]

-Lol. Nice to meet you David. Curious to know who you were :) Im suppose to hide because of your friends now right? lol.

-CrazyRob, Do you usually piggy back on peoples conversations like others?? Lol. Have fun as well buddy...




Stay on the subject and help the OP. Not my fault I was never speaking to both of you and you girls got on me..ha ha..

that was it?.....like I was expecting some big douche answer, and that was all you came up with?

please don't hide, you are a perfect example of what to avoid on a forum....the more you post, the less credible you become. So have at it.

As for crazyrob, he is just like everyone else on here...we don't want to see bullshit....and you...are bullshit. So your ignorance can't be avoided, so like myself, we attack the virus, and you are a virus, infecting zilvia with bad information. Maybe you will learn to not give people wrong information...but from what I get, you are a child. Because the only thing you saw in my entire fucking post, was the attack on yourself....hmm...go figure.

stay out of these threads if you can't contribute "real" information.

[240XTC]

Lol. Hey I asked one question. What was your name, not my fault you replied with a story.

ha ha... but nice to meet you David. Take care of your self. :)


Just stay on subject and dont turn this into anything other. :)

[Mk2Roo]

watch out for cops when u practice i got caught and the cop called it wreckless driving and it cost me 610 dollars it was bs bc it was n the rain fucking pig


actually, if you can find an OPEN parking lot that you can slide around in that's a great place to learn basic stuff, despite what people say. in the rain and snow is a GREAT place to learn car control during drifting and i like to slide everytime it rains.

[fckillerbee]

watch out for cops when u practice i got caught and the cop called it wreckless driving and it cost me 610 dollars it was bs bc it was n the rain fucking pig

umm....drifting in the rain on city streets is reckless. Your lucky he didn't impound your car.

[240XTC]

Yeah, try to go on the track if you can. I don't condone doing it on the streets but I can't and don't hate on it either.



-other than that, any updates OP??.... I'm itching to see what technique worked for you :)

[udon!]

Hahahahaha

[fcdrifter20]

watch out for cops when u practice i got caught and the cop called it wreckless driving and it cost me 610 dollars it was bs bc it was n the rain fucking pig


where you doing it in an open space where you couldn't harm others?? or on residential streets? The cops was most likely just doing his job

and its funny how ppl talk shit and call cops pigs and what not..I bet if someone put a gun to your head, or stole your car, or broke into your house, i bet you wish a "fucking pig" was there to stop them...

[fckillerbee]

where you doing it in an open space where you couldn't harm others?? or on residential streets? The cops was most likely just doing his job

and its funny how ppl talk shit and call cops pigs and what not..I bet if someone put a gun to your head, or stole your car, or broke into your house, i bet you wish a "fucking pig" was there to stop them...

I second that note.

[240XTC]

We need cops/pigs. It's just some of them slam you into the hood harder then they're suppose too.

Probably had a bad day.

[PoorMans180SX]

We need cops/pigs. It's just some of them slam you into the hood harder then they're suppose too.

Probably had a bad day.

You're so hard bro.

[pacotaco345]

Okay.. so back on topic I guess, umm I think I'm kinda late on this but I am by no means a very skilled driver, and I've never practiced drifting in a parking lot or a track but I've had a couple real scary moments with accidentally putting the car into 2nd instead of 4th mid corner, and ended up pretty much drifting through the turn for my life lol. The rule I go by tho is when in doubt both feet out (off all pedals) when in spin both feet in (brake and clutch).. That might not be as technical as some of these other responses but its simple and I hope it helps.

[fckillerbee]

locking up the brakes only makes the car slide farther...if you are in a spin, just hope you don't crash into anyone else on the street lol.

[CrazyRob]

Okay.. so back on topic I guess, umm I think I'm kinda late on this but I am by no means a very skilled driver, and I've never practiced drifting in a parking lot or a track but I've had a couple real scary moments with accidentally putting the car into 2nd instead of 4th mid corner, and ended up pretty much drifting through the turn for my life lol. The rule I go by tho is when in doubt both feet out (off all pedals) when in spin both feet in (brake and clutch).. That might not be as technical as some of these other responses but its simple and I hope it helps.

when i am sliding toward something and i want to get rear grip i push in the clutch. when i spin out i keep the rear rotating around by keeping the rear tires spinning. if someone spins out in front of me and i need to get around them i turn in, ebrake, then turn out once the rear locks so i can straighten my line up around them. when i am coming up short on a turn i ebrake. when i am coming out of a turn too hot i clutch in and let the steering wheel loose until the front and rear are pointing on the line away from the exit then grab the wheel as it straightens but not past center and let the clutch out drag launch style to allow the rear to push the car and change direction from drifting to gripping. sometimes if im coming waay too hot out of a turn ill intentionally spin the car out to keep things safe. if im in a situation where i can predict understeer i will ebrake if im on the right line or if im on the wrong line i will clutch kick and spin the car out. if i am tandeming with someone and i need to get on their door while about to speed up on the line i will left foot brake. if i am tandeming with someone and i need to get on their door while about to slow down, i will ebrake to keep the rear rotating and have my right foot ready to get on the brakes incase they slow down more than predicted. when i transition i clutch in right before crossing over center then release it when my front tires are directing the car on the right line to allow the rear to grip and make the weight transition smoother and overall faster. when i transition i let off the gas right before crossing over center to allow the rear to grip. using this last technique can be faster in situations where the vehicle speed is very close to the wheel speed, otherwise the clutching technique on transitions tends to be faster because the rear weight shifting and overall vehicle line shift happens faster. usually i have 2 hands on the steering wheel but if im about to transition i will be ready to ebrake or spin the wheel faster with my spare hand incase the weight shifting happens too rapidly. i tend to spin the wheel faster than it naturally wants to spin while naturally countering to keep the front grip ahead of the weight shifting.



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[Perfect Balance]

Going out there and sitting in the racing seat does nothing for him if he doesn't know what to do. If you do it wrong, you'll just get good at doing it wrong. If you understand how it works first, you can go and apply it.



i need someting to work with - advice not some bullshit like get off ur ass and go drive. going and driving is pointless if im going to repeat what i do.

This. Again. It's stupid to take advice from people who don't know the physics behind what's going on. I've already said everything I could say, but it's just annoying coming in here and reading people's accounts on "what they do" when the car is sliding ( Like the post above mine. I glanced through the clusterfuck of writing and saw "in a situation where I can predict understeer." THAT"S THE PROBLEM. You understand how it works, you can predict understeer because you understand what the car wants to do. The OP is missing this, he doesn't know what the hell the car is going to do, so he just watches what it does and reacts accordingly, which is too late.), instead of what actually needs to be done, and why it does what it does. You're not going to find the help you need here, go to an event, and ride with someone who knows how this works, instead of just someone who has done it enough times to do it well. You'll learn quicker.

Using the posts in this thread to learn how to drift is like trying to learn how to read a different language by memorizing how certain words look, instead of learning the letters individually so you can apply it to everything and be able to read any word in said language.

I've spun out drifting a total of maybe 10 times ever, and I've epically understeered about 5. The other times have always ended up in a drift, whether it was a good one or not, simply because I've read up on suspension geometry, racing lines, slip angles, lsd's, physics, things like that. In my mind I understand why the car does what it does. When I go into a corner and the car starts to understeer, I know why, and I understand what I need to do as far as braking, weight transfer and steering to counter it. If you know how it works, you can apply it to any situation and always make the car do what you want.


Learn to walk before you try to run.

Although honestly, you don't seem like the kind of person that would bother doing that, and rather just keep at it until you slowly start getting somewhere, and just chipping away at that, getting closer and closer until eventually you can decently do it.
:rolleyes:

[CrazyRob]

^ true story

[ericcastro]

Good read, thanks guys.

[The_Doctor]

watch out for cops when u practice i got caught and the cop called it wreckless driving and it cost me 610 dollars it was bs bc it was n the rain fucking pig

Wait wait wait...so you were "practicing" and a cop saw you "practicing" so he gave you a ticket for it, now he must be a douchebag pig for doing his job trying to protect the public from idiots like you.

Hmmm, I will keep that logic in mind and flip out on the next person just trying to do their job to the best of their ability.

Oh, and to the O.P...you need to get off the internet, stop reading up about things and take a very pragmatic view of physics/car behavior.
Go to a parking lot (since events seem to be taboo for you), initiate a drift and just let go of everything and see what the car does. Keep adding things each try to just observe how the car reacts to it.

You asking people on an internet forum how to drift and rejecting their advice on getting seat time in a safe environment is just foolish. It is like asking how to shoot a target properly but rejecting people telling you to just shoot the damn target.
"Oh...I want to learn to drift but I can't afford it"
Answer: First learn how to afford it.

Kids like you make me sick.

[CrazyRob]

^true story

[fckillerbee]

Wait wait wait...so you were "practicing" and a cop saw you "practicing" so he gave you a ticket for it, now he must be a douchebag pig for doing his job trying to protect the public from idiots like you.

Hmmm, I will keep that logic in mind and flip out on the next person just trying to do their job to the best of their ability.

Oh, and to the O.P...you need to get off the internet, stop reading up about things and take a very pragmatic view of physics/car behavior.
Go to a parking lot (since events seem to be taboo for you), initiate a drift and just let go of everything and see what the car does. Keep adding things each try to just observe how the car reacts to it.

You asking people on an internet forum how to drift and rejecting their advice on getting seat time in a safe environment is just foolish. It is like asking how to shoot a target properly but rejecting people telling you to just shoot the damn target.
"Oh...I want to learn to drift but I can't afford it"
Answer: First learn how to afford it.

Kids like you make me sick.


this is the best!

[CrazyRob]

^true story. that is honestly the biggest part of drifting in my opinion.

240XTC= pinked.... lol

[fckillerbee]

lol yeah I saw that. all his complaining...this is a forum, not a fucking corporation....he thinks people care about what he says. lol wrong. they can pink you, ban you, fuck you for whatever reason.

[xs042lol]

well guys, All star bash is coming to wisconsin on saturday. im going and taking my helmet

i don't street drift. i've dont it in a parking lot 3 times and that was it. I don't get to practice, oh well, but i don't do stupid shit either. Thats out of the question.

The next track day is july 24th, ill be going out to drift there and see what it can do for me

as for all the drama in this thread, please cut it out. If you're not going to help me or give me smart ass replies, then dont post.

I know this thread is pretty useless in terms of actually helping me, but advice is advice and with it all taken into account im sure i can work on my reaction times and what not. Had it not been for this thread i wouldnt know what to read up, thanks to who ever said that!, i would not know how much drama 240xtc has against every1 else lol, and i wouldnt know that maybe its just me not acting fast enough. Thanks to you guys, this thread is dead now so just lock it... I'll practice, and if i need help ill ask some1 via pm is thats cool


Thanks n take care
xs042lol (chiboy mofos! LOL)