my friend thinks hondas are better than nissans...

[matic 240sx]

im not some loser that go for the car they own at the time.. i had a honda it was my frist car.. i hated everything about it... 96 civic... i will always have nissans.. maybe a toyota supra.. but i will always have my 240sx and one day a skyline...

but the problem is my friend thinks that nissans fall short of honda... WHY WOULD THEY??? he can't tell me.. the only info he has is "the nsx runs 12.9" or some crap... me and my brother (who drives a max) broke it down for him and compared every nissan to every honda.. they kill hondas overall.. and the best ive seen for a vspec skyline R34 is 13.2 STOCK and he says that the NSX blows it off the road and OUT HANDLES IT and that its in some videos from japan.. you know the ones from VTECH websites.. where the dumbass runs like mid 14s and high 14s in a r33... and i know a R33 can run a 13.5 and the best ive ever seen a nsx run is a 13.4..

but what do you all think... do you think hondas own us? look at the integra, civic, nsx, s2000, prelude... then the 240sx, silvia, sentra, 200sx, 300zx, 350z, skylines, maximas, altimas... the nissans all out perform them and the nissans are less expensive to some of the hondas in their class

(Edited by matic 240sx at 1:15 pm on Feb. 28, 2002)


(Edited by matic 240sx at 1:16 pm on Feb. 28, 2002)

[matic 240sx]

sorry, i have to get everything out...  he thinks the nsx is better because it "runs 12.9s" in the 1/4 mile and its just a n/a 6.. and the skyline is a twin turbo inline 6 that runs 13.2s so it suxs... but then i tell him that its all wheel drive and 1000 pounds more weight than the nsx...  and that just doesnt matter to him...

[Nismos14]

he's obviously never driven a nissan before..... its obvious that hes not very intelligent either....... anyone who says a nsx (one car) makes an entire company better than another...is pretty..... well retarded... thats just GAY! http://208.192.120.246/eshare/files/images/Haha.gifhttp://208.192.120.246/eshare/files/images/Exclaim.gifhttp://208.192.120.246/eshare/files/images/Exclaim.gifhttp://208.192.120.246/eshare/files/images/Exclaim.gifhttp://208.192.120.246/eshare/files/images/Exclaim.gifhttp://208.192.120.246/eshare/files/images/Exclaim.gifhttp://208.192.120.246/eshare/files/images/Exclaim.gif


(Edited by Nismos14 at 2:33 pm on Feb. 28, 2002)

[Nismos14]

#### double post sorry guys..... but seriously thats just stupidity

(Edited by Nismos14 at 2:34 pm on Feb. 28, 2002)

[Yoshi]

It's apples and oranges.  With all the vids floating around the net, you have no way of knowing what's been done to the cars that are shown, that NSX could have a 200shot of NO2 helping it get that 12.9, u just dont know.

Overall I think much of car pride comes from what you have, seriously.  The average person won't own more than say 10 cars in their lifetime (and I think that's a generous approximation).  Therefore pride of ownership really comes into play.  Most of the Hondaheads I know have never owned anything but, so how can they talk?  Every model is different. I can say my 240sx is "Better" than my sister's Civic EX, but what is that saying?  Is it faster? #### yeah.  Is it as well constructed? Probably not.

ANyway, i'm getting off the subject.
My point is, what IS better?  If all you do is drag, I guess faster  is better.  But what about handling? skidpad? acceleration out of hairpins... that in mind, I think a GTR would spank an NSX, but the cars are in different classes.

With enough mods and $, I could make an AMC Pacer spank an R33 <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> &nbsp;(well, maybe)

Tell you friend to quit being so narrowminded, I notice he made no mention of driver skill.

[LanceS13]

mmmm....NSX=MR 276hp for around $100K
Skyline GTR=AWD 276hp for around $70K???
At any rate, the NSX is more expensive...it's considered a supercar/exotic with a lightweight aluminum chassis, so it better outperform something cheaper and heavier. &nbsp;The Skyline really shines in the aftermarket. &nbsp;A stock Skyline is nowhere near its full potential, whereas an NSX is so highly engineered in n/a form, it would take alot to get much more n/a gains....and probably just as much to turbo it.
Each company has it's good cars. &nbsp;Neither really has the upper hand over the other IMO. &nbsp;Honda does make more of their cars available stateside than Nissan does...which is hopefully about to change, at least for the Skyline. &nbsp;
The S2000 is a pretty awesome piece of machinery. &nbsp;It will &nbsp;be interesting to see how the 350Z matches up to it...especially since the 350 will be cheaper.
ITR vs. 240SX...ITR hands down. &nbsp;If Nissan would've sent us the SR so hp would be about equal, it'd likely be a much different story. &nbsp;The new SE-R Spec-V seems to be promising &nbsp;competition for the ITR. &nbsp;
Civic and base 'Teg vs. 240SX and SE-R...Nissan takes it.
Si and GS-R vs. 240SX and SE-R...too close to call.
Another thing to consider is that Nissans tend to be a bit cheaper than Hondas.
Bottom line...both companies have their merits. &nbsp;Nissan is known for making cheap RWD sports cars for the masses. &nbsp;Honda is known for making their cheap FWD grocery-getters perform decently. &nbsp;I prefer RWD...and that's coming from a previous Honda owner...so I like my Nissan.

Tell your friend to worry about how much &quot;better&quot; the NSX is when he can afford one. &nbsp;

[matic 240sx]

yea i know... he doesnt think that matters or something... what he sees in the video is all... he sees a nsx beat a skyline... but an all wheel drive skyline out handled by a nsx? sure ok... skylines running mid and high 14s? yeah ok... those vtech videos are crap... i like nissans better because they can take more abuse... if i had video of what ive done in my 240sx you would think i wanted to trash my car.. but i just know it can take it... ive never had a problem with my 240sx or my altima.. and nissan can make a high hp 4 banger (170-200hp good for stock n/a 4) without crap like vtech and what not... but i dont see anyone else doing that... and i think if a car is turbo stock then its better than anything in its class for upgrading... people with civics and integras are always blowing motors and what not because they run 7 and 8 psi and it blows because vtech motors are not made for it... im just hardcore nissan i guess but... he is just dumb sometimes.. he thinks that his integra will out handle my car on any track and that integras are sport cars and not sedans and coupes...

and i know that Car and Driver said that the 2000 maxima runs a 16.4 but i really hope you guys know that my brother has time slips and so do about 200 hundred other people on maxima.org that run 15.4s in AUTOs STOCK... the 5 speed runs like 14.8 and the new 2002 6 speed runs around 14.4s... which just KILLS accord v6... &nbsp;and the maxima is a big car... &nbsp;and the new altima is pretty fast too its about the same as the maxima

(Edited by matic 240sx at 1:58 pm on Feb. 28, 2002)

[Nismos14]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from LanceS13 on 2:46 pm on Feb. 28, 2002

Tell your friend to worry about how much &quot;better&quot; the NSX is when he can afford one.
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couldnt have said it better myself

[LanceS13]

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he thinks that his integra will out handle my car on any track and that integras are sport cars and not sedans and coupes... </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
You're on the MS coast &nbsp;right? &nbsp;I'll let you know next time we have a track day at NoProblem Raceway around Baton Rouge. &nbsp;I challenge him...and I will kick his ass. :biggrin:

[eddy770]

All I have to say towards the honda people is: Where's the torque?

I guess it's all a matter of opinion, and mine is that nissans outperform hondas in almost all aspects.

[ca18guy]

No Contest!!!!!
http://weasle.cz28.com/forumpics/civic.jpg

So this guy is saying that a honda is better than nissan based on &quot;one&quot; car.....ONE #### CAR!!! Look at the legacy that nissan has starting with the original GTR(hakosuka) or the S30Z's. &nbsp;I'll tell you what whatever price it costs to get a NSX, I'll take that money get a R32 GTR and the left over use it on exhause intake and ecu upgrade which can all be done for less than $2000 we'll see if we get the same results drag racing. &nbsp;Remember the GTR is not a 276HP car. &nbsp;They have to detune it to get to GOJ spec. &nbsp;Actually you don't even have to change any parts out just reset the ECU to what the GTR is capable and you can push close to around 350HP. &nbsp;Is your friend even considering the fact that the GTR is bigger and heavier than the NSX?

[wherezmytofu]

lets stop this...no car company is BETTER then another....except kia....hahahah...and.. its v-tec net v-tech....!

[matic 240sx]

another thing... you know that a&amp;j racing NSX thats purple and yellow? &nbsp;nitto sponsered and what not? the one they spent 1,000,000 dollars on the motor? &nbsp;well at a drag strip a few months ago... &nbsp;it was BEAT BY A TWIN TURBO 300ZX.. i showed him that in a magizine and he got all pissed... it was funny...

[Nismos14]

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No Contest!!!!!
http://weasle.cz28.com/forumpics/civic.jpg
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now thats too funny
http://208.192.120.246/eshare/files/images/Haha.gif

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[HippoSleek]

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You're on the MS coast right? I'll let you know next time we have a track day at NoProblem Raceway around Baton Rouge. I challenge him...and I will kick his ass. :biggrin:
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I can say that last weekend, I rolled more ITRs than rolled me and my car's OLD and the suspension is tired. &nbsp;(note: I still think that if I drove an ITR regularly, ITR Mark could roll s14 Mark (power + weight + gearing + great handling... my s14 is missing one of those now)... but s14 Mark rolls Si Mark <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>). &nbsp;

On another note, from all I've heard preach (including people having love affiars w/ b13 SE-R's), the new spec V is a POS on the track. &nbsp;A good autox car w/ a great LSD, but too little power to hope to put on an ITR smackdown. &nbsp;I'd also take an NSX over a Skyline, anyday. &nbsp;It's just a better car (note the sticker price) - plus AWD isn't my style and it is too heavy and too assisted. &nbsp;Keep your computers off my driving! &nbsp;I'm not going to go into &quot;if I put as much money into X as it costs for Y&quot; b/c then we'd all be driving Lotus Elises :biggrin:

Otherwise, it's a matter of choice. &nbsp;After driving the 240, I'd take it over the Lude or Si, but would have to think hard about how fast an ITR can hussle around a track.

[LanceS13]

Yeah, I know an ITR with a capable driver should be faster than me. &nbsp;However, at the track day back in December, I was giving my friend in his ITR a pretty decent run...and this guy almost always won H-Stock in his base VW New Beetle at autox's.
I based that challenge on the assumption that he has a base 'Teg or GS-R and that he's not that great of a driver. &nbsp;Basically, I just want more people to show up at track days, and what better way to do that than a public challenge <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>...j/k.

[wavetwister]

the rock looks kind of fat in that picture. anyways, like everyone else has been saying. different companies, different cars, plus' and minuses on both sides.

[HippoSleek]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from LanceS13 on 1:26 pm on Feb. 28, 2002
Yeah, I know an ITR with a capable driver should be faster than me. However, at the track day back in December, I was giving my friend in his ITR a pretty decent run...and this guy almost always won H-Stock in his base VW New Beetle at autox's.
I based that challenge on the assumption that he has a base 'Teg or GS-R and that he's not that great of a driver. Basically, I just want more people to show up at track days, and what better way to do that than a public challenge <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>...j/k.
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Yeah - odds are that the average ITR driver isn't as good as the average ITR... wait... I really don't want to apply that to the 240 - Even I'm letting them down <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

[bing]

i was think about this today actually, i have an s13, 1990, now if i were to comapre that ot a 1990 prelude sr, i think the 240 kills it.

i mean rwd, 140hp,hud, etc.

the prelude would have to be thigherst model prelude to compete, and on year newer and the 240 has leather hicas, 155hp, lsd... come one, until you get to an srv any civic prelude didnt even come close..

but recently nissans been gay taking away all our cars...

and besides nsx's and integra's are acura, so you'd have to compare with infinity, which has no real coupes, but any infinity ssedan would spank any acura sedan,

i think a 96 farilady would be a pretty good match for an nsx. it has like 320hp dont it??? &nbsp;

but then again, with a honds you could just throw in a sppon engine like ever other kid in the nation is doing as we speak <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[DSC]

Thats a good one ca18guy. I'll add to that saying...people who drive riced civics are just as lame as the rock, or people who like the rock <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[whateverjames]

hondas don't own us, your friend is obviously young and doesn't know what he's talking about if he's comparing cars he doesn't even have or will ever have. it would be like a nissan fan saying screw a vette! a skyline will kill that! &nbsp; &nbsp; i'd say shadup, you $4,000 240sx drivin fool, you'll never own neither so concentrate on what you do have!

[crazycuban]

Yeah, actually AWD is slower most of the time than RWD on a track - in JGTC, actually, the skylines that compete with the NSX's are converted to RWD. &nbsp;

Acura=Honda, Infinity=Nissan...Acura and Infinity are named like that because Americans are dumb - a Honda or Nissan luxury car would never survive because most Americans tend to think of Japanese imports as cheap cars, not nice cars. &nbsp;With luxury car's its all about the badge - and the status that comes with it.

Anyways, Honda is better than Nissan, Nissan is better than Honda. &nbsp;You can't compare car companies - you can compare cars, you can compare certain areas of performance. &nbsp;For example, while my SR20 converted 240SX can whoop the shit out of most civics, my 240SX burns gas like an oil refinery. &nbsp;I will never say I would rather have a Civic (though I don't hate on Civics), but I will say in a second my car had the fuel economy of a Civic. &nbsp;

As far as comparing the NSX to the Skyline, they're just different cars. &nbsp;For example, in comparing the Skyline to the Supra, while the Supra has the better engine, the Skyline has the better drivetrain. &nbsp;While the Skyline has the better drivetrain, the NSX has the better chassis and design. &nbsp;

IMO, you (matic 240sx) are just as dumb as your friend. &nbsp;Your friend says Hondas are better, but you say Nissans are better (or at least that's what I got. &nbsp;Don't worry though, there's time yet to get better <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>.

[LanceS13]

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and besides nsx's and integra's are acura, so you'd have to compare with infinity, which has no real coupes, but any infinity ssedan would spank any acura sedan,
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Only to the Americans who associate names with quality way too much. In my minds eye, Acura is Honda, Infiniti is Nissan, and Lexus is Toyota.


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[jonsey]

look down

[Coldsun]

CrazyCuban is one again the only person speaking the truth...

You and your dumb ass friend both need to grow up....I have a Honda, and i love them,they are good cars, my opinion is #### no Honda doesn't own Nissan... but Nissan doesn't own honda.....Nissan and Honda are different companys, Honda doesn't give a fuck about nissan and nissan doesn't give a fuck about honda.... Honda has been doing its own thing, with gas saving cars, nissan has been doing its own thing with cars of super power... LOL, grow up...ya'll need to grow up, kids are the main problem of the import scene

And yea he is right teggys , and nsxs are Acuras! not hondas, so you can think what you want but.... Lamborghini in my mind isn't a VW, A Benz isn't a Chysler, and a Aston Martin isn't a Ford, they are jus parent companies....but they are there own entities...so i give them Barely ratings, Acura is Honda, but barely...and a Nsx is a Acura, not a Honda
-Sun

[91CRXsiR]

it really just depends on how you look at it..

and what you are into..
in japan most road racers DEMAND RWD or AWD .. so hondas fall short..

but here in USA its about 1/4 mile and freeway racing.. in which case HONDAS WIN because comeon you can build a pretty #### fast honda for cheap .. but guess what .. there are about 1000 other guys with your same car same color same body kit and same rims. so its rather boring.

if you want to be different (its gonna cost you) go with a Nissan because WTH fixes up a nissan?? a SRwhat? huh? bomex is 1000's of miles away &nbsp;no1 makes allot of kits for nissans and its just a plain underdogg in the US..

does that mean its a lower car name or higher? not really just point of view.. i think cars are cars and it doesnt matter what make they are as long as the MODEL is a good one. the only honda i would ever own is (big surprise) a CRX .. and the only nissan?? (big surprise RPS13 .. i have a whole list of other makes ..
FC3S RX7
AE92
AE86 ( maybe )

all diff companys but GOOD cars in themselves
everyone who drive nissans hates hondas,toy,mits,mazda
everyone who drive ____ hates ____,_____,______,____ why??

[Grant]

Well i choose republicans over democrats, same issue, it what people like and what people choose, overall they are both good cars, I liek Honda Motor Co. for their #### good marketing strategies i guess, I mean who the #### can make a civic sell like crazy other than them. thy wasnt the sentra like that?

[mike240]

hey coldsun, &nbsp;

come over here to japan and try to tell them their integras and nsx's are acura. &nbsp;you'll never find an acura emblem on either of them. &nbsp;just like crazycuban said, &nbsp;american's are stupid and gullible and acura, &nbsp;infinity and lexus are marketing ploys. &nbsp;the ARE just rebadged hondas, &nbsp;nissans, and toyotas. &nbsp; &nbsp;
i used to own a honda as well...a red 91 crx si. &nbsp;they were quite fun to drive. &nbsp;hondas make really good cars and really good engines, but like most other people in this forum, &nbsp;i don't like FWD. given comparable chassis, &nbsp;tires engine power, etc. &nbsp;a FWD car will never outhandle a RWD car. &nbsp; &nbsp;like the S2000, &nbsp;awesome car. &nbsp;i wouldn't mind owning one of those. &nbsp;i wish honda would get its head out of it's ass and start making more RWD cars.
drifting is really big over here and the whole racing scene is dominated by nissans...that should tell you something.

[Coldsun]

what it tells me that nissan owns honda
haha no it doesn't sorry i'm smarter then that

and yea yea, rebadged honda yea yea... man i know this, shit i always did wonder why that GSR engine worked so nicely with my friends civic....
i know this man.... that was really more for the Other examples i gave of parent companies, jus to open some eyes....

Anyway thats not the topic... The topic is, well its a dumb topic actually.... They are different companies looking and trying to do, different things, Period....

now if thats not the truth i dont know what is
- The SUN

[DuffMan]

Well you could say that Honda America owns Nissan America, because &nbsp;Nissan has consistantly refused to bring over all their cool shit.

Where's the S15?
Where's the Skyline?
Where's 200hp NA SR20's?
Where's direct injection?
Where's the turbo cars?

[Grant]

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Well you could say that Honda America owns Nissan America, because Nissan has consistantly refused to bring over all their cool shit.

Where's the S15?
Where's the Skyline?
Where's 200hp NA SR20's?
Where's direct injection?
Where's the turbo cars?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Simple answer,

No market demand in nissans eyes, apparently we are not the target consumer crowd.

[DuffMan]

True, a lot of those products wouldnt &nbsp;be financially helpfull for Nissan. But then again you never know until you try it. Suburu was reluctant to bring over the WRX and now they are selling a ton of them.

[JeffNJ]

People discuss numbers too much. &nbsp;A car is about so much more than numbers. &nbsp;I own a '94 del Sol, and have spent a good amount of time in an '88 Accord and '01 Civic. &nbsp;All of them were undisputably nice cars. &nbsp;In fact, for its age, the Accord was a very nice car. &nbsp;But that's all they were/are - nice.

The '91 240 I owned for two years made me fall in love with it during the test drive. &nbsp;I don't care about numbers. &nbsp;I don't care that the Accord could've racked up more miles on the odometer, that the del Sol offers a crap-load more after market parts that I could afford even if I pushed grocery carts, and I don't care that the Civic had .. uhm .. I dunno, but it must have something.

The bottom line is that I cared how the cars felt when I drove them, and the 240 was/is just goddamn beautiful. &nbsp;So stop comparing numbers. &nbsp;Every single one of them is modify-able anyway. &nbsp;The &quot;essense&quot; of the car is not, and there, in my opinion, Nissan reigns supreme.

Unless, of course (my favorite exception), it's a beautiful day and you can't drop your top. &nbsp;Some things just supersede other things. &nbsp;=)

[LanceS13]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from mike240 on 2:40 am on Mar. 1, 2002
hey coldsun,

come over here to japan and try to tell them their integras and nsx's are acura. you'll never find an acura emblem on either of them. just like crazycuban said, american's are stupid and gullible and acura, infinity and lexus are marketing ploys. the ARE just rebadged hondas, nissans, and toyotas. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
exactly...and try to find an Acura, Infiniti, or Lexus engine.


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