GP SPORTS SMOOTHING KIT For S13 Hatch

[tnd240]

GP SPORTS SMOOTHING KIT For S13 Hatch
Hi guys, i ve been speaking with a local Kit Maker who is making a mold of the s13 GP SPORTS Smoothing Kit.

They specialize in Fibremotive/Carbon Lathes for Cars only.

Theyre making a mold based on the original mounting points to keep the fit and quality to the companies highest stanbdards.

They can make the kit out of Fibreglass or Carbon Fiber.

Im loking to be the first to apply ths kit to my Hatch.

Would anybody be interested in this kit, i have no intentions of using poor quality components for my project.

Theyre estimating a price of 800 for the 4 piece (Front Bumpper, Rear Bumper, Side Skirts)

Let me know guys, they're making nice kits for other cars.

Here is a link to he Gp Sports Kit

http://www.gpsports-na.com/aero/type4_180_rr_lg.jpg

http://www.gpsports-na.com/aero/type4_180_fr_lg.jpg

Email me at [email protected]
John

[Dousan_PG]

BOOO for copies

does GP SPORTS north america like this? probably not..watch out for lawsuits

edit: not knocking you or your business, but you hav eto be careful. its great to make kits but to directly copy something that's already avaible and has US representation is pretty ballsy. be careful!! it would be better to make your OWN brand of a kit..your OWN style and market that. THAT would be original and i would be intersted in stuff like that.

[tnd240]

Im not making th kit, ive just found a kit maker looking to make it, based on the mounting points, not the mold of the panels themselves.

Whether or not this constitutes a lawsuit would be between them and Gp Sports, AFAIK.

Thanks
John

[Dousan_PG]

ah i c
u should look into brands that ARENT available in the USA
something that will sell because its different.
that would be sweet

if you make somethig that inexpensive and THIN (cost less) i would b edown as would some of my fellow drifting friends. :) low cost body parts are great for people who bang that stuff up a lot :)

[NiteKids]

The aero kit does not make the car but the wheels do

[mistert]

Originally posted by NiteKids
The aero kit does not make the car but the wheels do

im confused...is this a thread about wheels or body kits?

[Dousan_PG]

nitekids is just saying that a body kit doesnt make the car. you need the wheels to go withit at well

stock wheels with the dopest body kit on the market looks like a$$.

[mistert]

that makes sense, seeing as 99.9% of people probably dont buy bodykits for aerodynamics, or have cars that could really exploit it

and yes what your friend is doing is illegal, its called reverse engineering

[tnd240]

Not friends of mine, just a kit maker i found in ton.

Thanks
John

[bobmeindertsma]

Illegal or not illegal

that is a beautiful car!!!:D

[CoasTek240]

Ghey!

[ruf]

1) Aren't you that cheapskate that said that you could get an entire kit for the price of the authentic GP Sports rear bumper that I was offering to you at $20 over cost?

2) What the company would be doing is completely illegal and unethical. I can guarantee that they will haev a cease and desist letter issued to them within a month being that GP Sports now has US representation.

3) The quality would suck. I haven't seen a knockoff kit YET that didn't cost more in the end to make it look GOOD.

[tnd240]

<<1) Aren't you that cheapskate that said that you could get an entire kit for the price of the authentic GP Sports rear bumper that I was offering to you at $20 over cost?>>

Ummm, what are you talking about???

<<2) What the company would be doing is completely illegal and unethical. I can guarantee that they will haev a cease and desist letter issued to them within a month being that GP Sports now has US representation.>>

As discussed earlier, somebody had mentionned this. I have no affiliation with them. According to your 3rd statement, you must have much experience with the North American Import Kit Market, and as such Must have noticed the amount of Knock-Off kits being produced and sold.

Knock-off kits, hmm, doesnt that in itself constitute liability issues?? Unless these kit makers have an agrrement with the kit they are knocking off.

<<3) The quality would suck. I haven't seen a knockoff kit YET that didn't cost more in the end to make it look GOOD.>>

Not for anything, but from what i've seen, their work is of utmost quality, as their Business depnds on it.


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[ruf]

1) If you want, I can post the e-mail that you sent me.

2) No it's just that certain companies are too small to have the time/money/energy to pursue the thorough protection of their creative designs. In no way does that mean that they condone copying their products. Then you have the big boys like Honda, who were handing out cease and desist letters to EVERYONE that had a Honda/Mugen knockoff item at SEMA this year. Pretty entertaining. What it boils down to is that just because some companies are too small to defend themselves from such infringements on their creative ownership DOESN'T make it right.

3) If they are so great, then they should have no problem coming up with a great design of their own.

*rant on* It is knockoff crap like this that makes me want to quit the 240 altogether. It really is becoming the new Civic. No one wants to pay for the quality original parts anymore. Sure there may be SOME knockoffs that fit ok with decent quality, BUT I still feel that it is wrong to blatantly copy someone else's design without their permission whether it be aero kits or wheels, etc. Then there's the REST of it out there that is horrendous quality, but I still have to try to compete pricewise so here I am killing myself to bring in the original, perfect-fit Abroad fenders at a price close to GTP's bullsh!t, even though theirs will cost hundreds (maybe thousands) more to get it to fit right given that any respectable body shop will even TOUCH it. Anyways, screw the 240. It's a dead market. 350Z guys are cheapskates too. I'm just going to play with my Mini Cooper. *rant off*

[ruf]

Oops. Forgot this.

:rant2:

[JasonNagra]

Originally posted by NiteKids
The aero kit does not make the car but the wheels do

Agreed.

[kuruptR]

bleh body kits are copied every where, look at a VIS lol...

back to the question... i am interested in a body kit. or rear and sides

[ruf]

Originally posted by kuruptR
bleh body kits are copied every where, look at a VIS lol...
That doesn't make it right. Have you ever tried to install a VIS S15 front conversion? OR the GTP copy of the VIS S15 conversion? I don't know how you can choose to copy an already bad copy. That's just dumb. And the poor schucks that think "Oh yeah, I'm gonna save $500-1000 on this", and end up paying $2000 more for the kit to be custom fitted and mounted because nothing lines up and there are mounts missing and ridiculous bulges. Not to mention the extra prep to smooth the surface for paint. Ah... but those kids usually rock the primer look anyway. :blah:

[ghostchild316]

in other words...

You get what you pay for

right?

[tnd240]

ghostchild316 ; Well put.

Juf, please send me this email you're talking about to [email protected]

You seem to have not only a lot of time on your hands, but also seem to have pretty strong judgments on people who own a particular make/model. If you dont appreciate the Aftermarket support some cars are receiving (be it both the Good and the Bad) perhaps you should pursue other car makes/models that dont seem to have much in the form of effcient/reliable well-engineered upgrades. Perhaps one of Old School Korean Decent might be more what youre looking for. You can put all the upgrades you want on your car, but if it is not tuned in properly, one can have more harm than help done to his/her car.

Thanks
John

[ruf]

I wouldn't call them judgements. I would call them generalizations based upon my experience with the particular culture of each make/model.

Supra/RX-7/300Z guys seem to have the budget to get the good stuff.

S14 guys are pretty decent about mods, but there are some that stretched so far on the budget to buy an S14 instead of an S13 that they end up cheaping out on the mods. Same goes for 350Z guys that barely scraped up enough money to buy the "affordable" sportscar.

S13 guys are total cheapskates save a few hardcore enthusiasts.

If you dont appreciate the Aftermarket support some cars are receiving (be it both the Good and the Bad) perhaps you should pursue other car makes/models that dont seem to have much in the form of effcient/reliable well-engineered upgrades.
I DO appreciate the aftermarket support of the S-chassis. It is HUGE. And the quality is superior in most cases. And it is in Japan. And no one wants to pay for it. Because they've all been spoiled by Honda cheap knockoff crap. Now S-chassis tuning is taking the same turn with everyone jumping on the bandwagon worried more about making a profit than a quality product.

You can put all the upgrades you want on your car, but if it is not tuned in properly, one can have more harm than help done to his/her car.
Thanks for the lecture about tuning. It has nothing to do with aero kits because most of them are for aesthetics only. I'm probably the LAST person on this board that you need to talk about appropriate tuning/modification for the desired goal.

Perhaps one of Old School Korean Decent might be more what youre looking for.
Hell yah, I'm rocking it Kia style... Maybe I can afford one of the old WRC Hyundai Accents? :eek:

Really though, like I mentioned before I'm totally getting into my Mini Cooper. Less business, more fun.

[hooter]

My xB will rock your cooper, Ruf!

Bring that shiznit on, yo!

haha

Hey, and there's nothing wrong with something that is of Old Skool Korean Descent. That pretty much describes me!

-Charlie

[ruf]

Bah. bB sucks without more power. You need turbo or compressor. Then you can maybe see my taillights under braking. :p

The bB is cool though. Saw some nice ones at HIN (which I unfortunately had to attend). I still prefer Cube for looks. Only trouble is that you almost HAVE to pimp it out VIP style. :p
http://www.biznetworking.com/ruf/images/HIN/DSC01650.JPG http://www.biznetworking.com/ruf/images/HIN/DSC01651.JPG http://www.biznetworking.com/ruf/images/HIN/DSC01652.JPG http://www.biznetworking.com/ruf/images/HIN/DSC01653.JPG http://www.biznetworking.com/ruf/images/HIN/DSC01654.JPG http://www.biznetworking.com/ruf/images/HIN/DSC01656.JPG


Small hot hatches, I'd love this:
http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/07/polosuper160003_01.jpg
Ok so maybe a Super 1600 prepped car is a little overkill...

How bout this:
http://autozine.kyul.net/Car_Photo/Alfa/147_GTA_fr.jpg

[Bill Roberts]

That dash looks like someone said "oh Sh!t, we forgot the speedo...lets just stick it.....uhhh here.."

I am keeping my S-13 looks stock. For that, no one will know what is under the hood...or really care...unless...its tailights for them..

OF all the kits out there, one should strive to get the very best quality..no matter the cost. Remember, simplicity is valuable.

[NiteKids]

Originally posted by ruf
Small hot hatches, I'd love this:
http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/07/polosuper160003_01.jpg
Ok so maybe a Super 1600 prepped car is a little overkill...

How bout this:
http://autozine.kyul.net/Car_Photo/Alfa/147_GTA_fr.jpg

Oh god you ****in peice of ****. Gay VOOOOOOOOOOOLKSWAGON! :rolleyes:

[ruf]

Yah that's right you better roll your eyes you little bish... :mad:

[ruf]

Dang it. Won't post the pic.

Link to Alfa Romeo 147 GTA (http://autozine.kyul.net/Car_Photo/Alfa/147_GTA_fr.jpg)

[hooter]

Yeah. THe xB isn't really a "sports" car in any sense (althought with a turbo or supercharger kit, it might be able to keep up with a stock Honda Civic). It really lends itself more to the VIP style.

http://www1.harenet.ne.jp/~ita-sgo/off021123/PIC00006.JPG

http://www1.harenet.ne.jp/~ita-sgo/off021103/PIC00012.jpg

http://www.work-wheels.co.jp/wheels/index/eq-01/main_1.jpg

http://www.kenstyle.co.jp/02_LINEUP/AEROPARTS/CARIMAGE/TOYOTA/bB/E_XB.jpg

Gotta love those Equip 01's.

I also groove on the Nissan Cube (the one with the e-4WD sounds really interesting). The new issue of C&D has an article on a bunch of weird Japanese spec cars that probably will never make it to the US.

I hear the Polo might be coming to the US soon. Pretty cool car.

-Charlie

[wanganwonder]

are those meister s1's up there? (drool . . .)

[Nissan240SX]

As said before and like I tell folks at my work (Home Depot) when buying something you get what you pay for don't ask me for the cheapest thing cause its not going to do what you need it to do.

As for the xb thing it looks like a mini van not a car. YUCK sorry just my opinion

[DoriftoSlut]

Ok, knockoff kits generally suck. Unless it is like what the japanese do to the OEM kouki 180 bumper... Since it is very expensive (although worth it imo). they take the general shape and style, then modify bits and pieces of it to still look generally the same, but noticeably different. Why dont you do that. Kouki 180sx is the most sought after aero parts for our cars anyway... Dont knock off an original design by someone who is distributing in the US. And since ruf is in close terms with GPSports NA, I would not doubt that your little shop would get sued... so do something different. ****, I can design some original aerokits for them. For free. As long as they are sold cheaply, and I get a few freebies. Don't think I am qualified to design an aerokit? I go to school to design whole cars, modifying existing ones with aero tune is a walk in the park...:rolleyes:

As for the xB... I like it. Looks like a van and not a car? Who cares! Its not a sports car! Its not supposed to be! You are not hte market they want to buy the car anyway... you are just an S chassis dreamer!

Right now one of my school projects is to redesign the Prius. That car sucks. One of the problems I am having is making my designs too low and too "cool" looking. Why? The market who buys a 90hp hybrid does not need a car to look fast, nor SHOULD the car look fast. Why? IT DOESNT GO FAST.

Since my 240 is still in the 50th state but Im here in SoCal, I drive an 89 Bimmer 325i for now. That thing is a dream to drive and it hauls ***. However monday through Thursday it SUCKs! Why? Traffic. Fcking car has like a race-prepped clutch and the AC no worky (not that big of a deal) but it still sucks driving in TRAFFIC. I would KILL to have an xB or a cooler looking Prius, or a minivan or something much more practical! Unless you have ever been in a situation where you would really use a small, eco- and space- efficient car, then shutup. And don't like Hybrids cause the performance aspect sucks? Yeah, but have you ever been on the 110 at 4pm a look at the grey sky? ALL those people on the freeways ALL day could just as easily be driving more efficient cars. Why do you need to drive a V12 to commute? I know there are many more times you drive other than commute, and for that we love our 240s, but a lot of people only drive when they need to, ie commute or go shopping, and can walk or prefer to ride a bike other times... Anyway, there are many other considerations that need to be adressed before a bunch of people buy hybrids, but they do make a lot of sense. Even a hybrid sports car. V8 or V10 with a small electric engine... The electric engine would only work for commuting and city driving, the V8 could be for your spirited driving... blah blah blah blha blah wow im off topic....

[nos96f22]

about how much does the real kit go for???

[old_s13]

Originally posted by ruf
I wouldn't call them judgements. I would call them generalizations based upon my experience with the particular culture of each make/model. Supra/RX-7/300Z guys seem to have the budget to get the good stuff. S14 guys are pretty decent about mods, but there are some that stretched so far on the budget to buy an S14 instead of an S13 that they end up cheaping out on the mods. Same goes for 350Z guys that barely scraped up enough money to buy the "affordable" sportscar. S13 guys are total cheapskates save a few hardcore enthusiasts.

I DO appreciate the aftermarket support of the S-chassis. It is HUGE. And the quality is superior in most cases. And it is in Japan. And no one wants to pay for it. Because they've all been spoiled by Honda cheap knockoff crap. Now S-chassis tuning is taking the same turn with everyone jumping on the bandwagon worried more about making a profit than a quality product.

Well said Joe, well said. I thought I was alone in thinking that way, but your generalizations are pretty much on-tact.

- Mike

[old_s13]

Originally posted by Dorifto180sx
Right now one of my school projects is to redesign the Prius. That car sucks. One of the problems I am having is making my designs too low and too "cool" looking. Why? The market who buys a 90hp hybrid does not need a car to look fast, nor SHOULD the car look fast. Why? IT DOESNT GO FAST.

Well, just do what they did for the new Echo. I was surprised, I saw a Toyota Echo last night and something cought my eye.. wait.. it wasnt the body or appearance of the car, it was the TAIL LIGHTS. Wow, I have never been so impressed! Apparently, the newer model has a minor change using different tail lights.. they have a round parking/brake lamp, similar to that of the Honda Pilot.

hehe my god, I love how manufacturers think a minor change on the tail light is ENOUGH to make a car look different or good. The NSX? They changed such little crap, and it looks WORSE than it did before.

(sigh)

[nrcooled]

I will admit that I am one of the cheapskate s13 owners. I splurge on the things that are VITAL to the longevity and reliability of the car.


As for looks I like the way the s13 looks stock lowered with propper offset wheels. I am performance minded and could give two sh1ts about how my car looks. I think the only reason the Ruf is so upset is because it's cutting into your profit margins. Me, I could care less what ricer #1 and ricer #2 is doing to the s chassis car. It's not my business or yours.

I also don't buy into the "mAd JdM t1tE y0!" BS. If some idiot out there wants to pay the rediculous prices to emulate Japaneese tuning culture (who are in turn emulating USDM tuning style) then that is their own stupid fault. I am getting sick of people telling me how to modify my car.

To me, ruf, you want all 240 owners to be ricers with expensive taste.:rolleyes:

Also, forgive me if I choose to use my money to purchase a house and put money in my daughters college fund as opposed to wasting it on a $2000 body kit or rediculously priced wheels.


FYI- I have the money but I just don't waste it on crap that doesn't contribute to the overall performance of my car.

[Dousan_PG]

nrcooled:

YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT


ruf sells his stuff SOOOO CHEAP there is no profit
he offered a guy he didnt even know a gp sports kit 20 over retail (read what he wrote)

wow, he's making so much money there

:rolleyes:

i think ruf is just trying to keep the 240sx look nice, not like crap.

i buy a lot from ruf and i know other pepole who do too, trust me, he's not making much money at all.

[mixedwell]

hey hey! can RUF hook me up wiht a GP sports front? damn i want that TYPE R aero for the silvia. argh so hot! i want that front man!!! grr... anyways.

RUF hook me up! im your boy


-mixedwell ;)

[ruf]

Dorifto/dousan - No worries, me and nrcooled have chatted before and I take no offense to his rant. Isn't that the rule when the "rant tags" are on anyways? ;)

nrcooled - Yah, hang out with me and you'll know I'm not in it for the money. I have a regular job for that. I have no problem with stock looking cars that are performance modded. Sleeper is totally cool. It's one of my fave looks. My opinion is just that I don't like anything half-assed, whether it's aesthetic or performance oriented. It ALMOST ALWAYS costs more in the end to get it fixed right, and you'll always know that you have a second (or third) rate product. Would you rather pay $300parts + $100install or $200parts + $200install? A lot of the times people just get caught out by the install cost, hence why you see so many primered bumpers around. Anyways, if you don't want to buy a nice fitting quality kit, why not just leave the excellently-styled durable stock bumpers on instead of bondo-ing on some warped fiberglass monstrosity? Just my opinion. Then there's the issue of priorities. College fund first of course. It's people trying to stretch budgets and improperly planning projects that get caught out in the $200/$200 trap.

mixedwell - As for Type R Silvia S13, I'll try to snake one out. GP Sports NA is kind of in transition right now so we'll see how things start to pan out this week.

nos96f22 - There was a time that I was selling the kit at 1600-1800 shipped.

[ruf]

olds13 - You feel like doing some Mini Cooper work? There appears to be a mild demand for clear fender side markers. IM me.

[Carisma•FR]

I'm with ruf on this against knock-offs cause I learned it the hard way.

Recently I bought a replica Kouki 180sx rear valance from ebay and they fit like crap! My friend at the body shop put in a lot of labor fabbing it to make it look half way decent. He bithced that he wouldn't even touch them if its for someone else's car.

Spend a little more for a genuine kit, you'll be much more happier everytime you look at your car.

[tnd240]

I agree that a kit should fit prperly, otherwise there's more harm than good. As i mentionned before, i have seen their work, and they hold the utmost quality. You dont have to remind me, i m having a Front Bumper sent in from Japan, and will cost 800.00 alone by the time i receive it, wthout paint/install. Either way, i was just letting fellow 240 owners about their upcoming projects. I plan on having it pre-fit, Side Skirts, and Rear Bumper, to see how it will look/fit.

[email protected]
John

[tnd240]

GPSPORTS SMOOTHING KIT For S13 Hatch

Hi Guys, I originally posted this thread about this time last year, since then there have been updates and production has begun.

A little about myself. I am a 24 year old Part-time University Student, Substitute teacher, and Quality Control Manager for a Japan Motor Importer. I have been piecing my project together for just about a year and a half now, slowly sourcing my parts section by section.

Living where i do, S13's without a hole in the floorboard and/or frame are a rarety; I said to myself " If I wait for the chassis itself, i'll never get this project started" ; and so i did; without the chassis. I should have a website up within a month or so with photographs and pics of my project in the making...or lack thereof.

As you have already read in this thread, I had been speaking closely with a local kit-maker who has up until about a month ago been finishing up his extended production on his Honda S2000 Kit in both 3-Layer Carbon Fiber and Fiberglass. (I will post pictures of his work; the same quality and fitment goes into Every kit he makes)

If anyone is interested in this kit, please feel free to email me, or [email protected] (www.EastEnd2k.com)

Thank you
Jd
[email protected]

[tnd240]

Hood, Fenders, Front Bumper, Rear bumper, Trunk, trunk Skeleton, side Skirts; All 3-Layer Carbon Fiber with Rolled Edges.

http://img66.photobucket.com/albums/v200/TND240/

Thank you
Jd
[email protected]