2011 Mustang

[Omarius Maximus]

I'm surprised this hasn't been posted yet.

The GT with the new 5.0 is on par with the E92 M3 in terms of performance, but it undercuts the price by a solid 30k.

The secretary V6 model is faster than anything you can buy for 23k. Jesus.

RWD, cheap, handles, looks good, and brakes well. Both V6 and V8 have excellent performance and gas mileage. Yet nary a peep from Zilvia.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4009/4421993253_b1d3e78125.jpg

[NINJASPY]

RWD, cheap, handles, looks good, and brakes well. Both V6 and V8 have excellent performance and gas mileage. Yet nary a peep from Zilvia.



It look ok, just because it is new does not mean it looks good. At least not as good as a e92.
nearly 4,000lbs and 410ish hp?
I would not say it handles good nor brakes well.
I doubt gas mileage is as advertised as they can just drive really really slow to test it. Its like hybrids that get 50-60mpg... if u drive like a grandma.

Does the mustang have independent rear suspension yet? LOL

Great buy at the supposed price of 30k, but they gonna fool/trick us somehow.... like limited numbers, or change in price for options... 30k base v8 price without navigation but the car ONLY comes with navigation... little dealer tricks like that.
We all know that 90% or more mustangs are all v6. Its nothing more than marketing ploy to get people into their showroom. As the mustang model has been that for the last 15+years, sold mostly to middle aged women.

My friend picked up a g37 for 36k, I'd rather have that than a mustang that will be worth less than 20k in 2-3years.

And you can't compare it to a e92 when it is fully loaded, traction control, creature comforts, etc etc.
Totally different market.
A bmw buyer and a ford buyer are FAR from being anything alike. Bmw e92 buyer looking for all in one package. Mustang buyer looking at the 5.0 badge and looking for bullet wheels and flowmasters, thinking if he can get away with a 5.0 badge if he cheaps out on the v6. While the bmw buyer looking for factory bbs wheels and trying to decide if a m3 or a 335i or settle for a 328i.

Drive a newer bmw ANY bmw. Then drive a mustang. then you will know.
Then drive a e30, then drive a 5.0. Then you will agree.

400hp 4000lbs 30k
Give me
200hp 2000lbs and Ill pay 20.

sorry if its a rant. its 6am and i cant sleep.

[nyc240sx]

new mustang is sweet

[ILoveMyRHS13]

Yet nary a peep from Zilvia.
Isn't this a Nissan forum? :rimshot:

[ESmorz]

Shit's weak.

That's why.

[TheWolf]

It's actually 400hp 3500lbs... which makes it about 200 lighter than the m3 and about 14 hp short... Whether it feels like your hustling an elephant around the track or not, between the two cars... they lap with in a second on tests. That's ok though. a 1 series with a chip can also perform the same feat which is similar in price. Yes I could build one on fords website with cloth seats and just a plain jane CD player and get it right at 30k. While the camaro couldn't get under 32k. My 540i though is tomb quiet inside while my 02 camaro is like a rattly shit box. I'm hoping GM has made significant improvements.

[drift freaq]

Its plain an simple. While some 240 owners may glance at a Mustang. BMW people? LOL Anyone the slightest bit interested in a BMW to drive is not going to glance at a Mustang. Unless its like some rare edition to buy and collect for collectability. Otherwise its a whole different world of people.

Only reason Vaughn Gitten jr drives a Mustang is because Ford is paying for it.

Hell someone sponsors someone with a free car fuck ya they are going to drive it. LOL

Does that mean the car is really that good? Does that mean the person honestly likes the car enough to own it themselves? Maybe but not always.

[ronmcdon]

they're just playing catch-up with the camaro imo.
it seems absolutely absurd to compare to the e90/e92.
apples & oranges entirely.

I personally wouldn't feel too bad about picking up a 300hp v6 camaro however.

[lucky7]

Its plain an simple. While some 240 owners may glance at a Mustang. BMW people? LOL Anyone the slightest bit interested in a BMW to drive is not going to glance at a Mustang. Unless its like some rare edition to buy and collect for collectability. Otherwise its a whole different world of people.


the car is good. there is a thread on bimmerforums about the 2011 mustang VS the 135i....with a poll. guess which one destroyed the other in the poll results? i saw a hand full of people saying that they're contemplating the new 5.0 as their next purchase, or after their lease is up. not all newer BMW owners are cliche A-holes that buy a car because of its badge. an enthusiast is still an enthusiast. but you'd be surprised how well the car is going over on other forums. Ford has really stepped up to the plate.

[Matej]

This car is too big and very ugly.
Just my personal opinion though.

[PinkPanther]

The new mustang is awesome, no longer feels like driving a tank and is probably the nicest all around platform since they first came out. I've driven and worked on a few of them at our dealer, pretty cool.

[ronmcdon]

heres a 'car & driver' review of the '11 mustang.
v6 model looks appealing

2011 Ford Mustang V6 - Short Take Road Test - Auto Reviews - Car and Driver (http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/car/10q1/2011_ford_mustang_v6-short_take_road_test)

specs

VEHICLE TYPE: front-engine, rear-wheel-drive, 4-passenger, 2-door coupe


PRICE AS TESTED: $30,675 (base price: $22,995)


ENGINE TYPE: DOHC 24-valve V-6, aluminum block and heads, port fuel injection


Displacement: 227 cu in, 3726 cc
Power (SAE net): 305 bhp @ 6500 rpm
Torque (SAE net): 280 lb-ft @ 4250 rpm


TRANSMISSION: 6-speed manual


DIMENSIONS:
Wheelbase: 107.1 in Length: 188.1 in
Width: 73.9 in Height: 55.6 in
Curb weight: 3520 lb


C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 5.4 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 13.0 sec
Street start, 5–60 mph: 5.8 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 14.0 sec @ 104 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 113 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 152 ft
Roadholding, 200-ft-dia skidpad: 0.95 g


FUEL ECONOMY:
EPA city/highway driving: 19/29 mpg
C/D observed: 18 mpg

[_jake]

id rather have a genesis :b

[Bubbles]

My radar doesn't sound off everytime a domestic maker pops out another shitty retro/classic that my boss and neighbor would think is cool.


It just doesn't work like that.

[codyace]

nearly 4,000lbs and 410ish hp?
I would not say it handles good nor brakes well.

The Shelby is near 4000 lbs, not the GT.

PS: Weight <> Handling. Throw enough grip at a tank and it'll run good. Just because a car feels nimble on little 225/40's doesn't mean it will out handle a bigger car on 275/40's.

I doubt gas mileage is as advertised as they can just drive really really slow to test it. Its like hybrids that get 50-60mpg... if u drive like a grandma.

You do realize the OD gear ratios of these cars are rediculous right? That's how they get the fuel milage. Heck look at older T56 cars...dump it in 6th at 65 and it's only at like 1500 rpm...almost idle...that's how you get Fuel milage.


Does the mustang have independent rear suspension yet? LOL

Do you have any first hand knowledge/know how/experience to back up this comment? A properly setup solid axle will work just fine. Just ask the AIX guys. Plus going IRS would probably tack on another 200 ish lbs, as well as odd complexity to a car that doesn't need it.

We all know that 90% or more mustangs are all v6. Its nothing more than marketing ploy to get people into their showroom. As the mustang model has been that for the last 15+years, sold mostly to middle aged women.

I remember when you couldn't find an 05 GT when they came out, as everyone had one. V6's were all over. Then again, we actually shopped/owned one.

My friend picked up a g37 for 36k, I'd rather have that than a mustang that will be worth less than 20k in 2-3years.

Says who? G's tank on value much like every other car. Look at some of the G Sedans...heck you can get an '05 X for nearly 10k these days...talk abotu holding value right? Even an '05 GT is worth more than that.

And you can't compare it to a e92 when it is fully loaded, traction control, creature comforts, etc etc.

Sync > Any sort of BMW integration
Creature comforts ? Subjective. Sure the Mustang is cheaper in feel, but the ergonomics are the same in both if you ask me...yes I've driven both.

Traction control? Mustang has had that since the SN chassis....



Drive a newer bmw ANY bmw. Then drive a mustang. then you will know.
Then drive a e30, then drive a 5.0. Then you will agree.

Yea, you'll take the Mustang both times. Fox 5.0's mop up E30's in every which way too, much like the current Gen




If you're going to make an argument, or have an opinon, know what you're comparing. Sure the Seats are made of nicer leather, and the dash colors are better on your eyes...but in the end of the day, is it really worth paying the extra 30k for a car that (M3's are the handling car remember) that can't keep up with a 5.0 mustang around course? Maybe if you want to impress friends who don't know any better right? Your FFF elitism side is strong here.

EDIT: So while I can respect your opinion on what car you'd like, the performance and 'bang for buck' part of myself just think it's all wrong.

If I wanted a nice, comfy, yet decently quick 70k car, I'd rather get a Z06, or a used Noble, or a M45, etc etc.


(And I'm not Bias, I'd love to find an e36 325 to stick an LSx into)






I personally wouldn't feel too bad about picking up a 300hp v6 camaro however.

Dynoed one today. 250 wheel through a stick. Boring if you ask me. Utterly cheap, and not even nice. Clutch was light as a feather though, kinda neat.

[soreballz]

From everything I've read on the car, and the ones I have seen in person... Ford REALLY stepped up their game for this gen Mustang. I dig 'em.

[deolio]

it's my favorite car ford has come out with in the last 35 years, but still a ford...

[soreballz]

...but still a ford...
Ohh, shut up.

Ford is the only American automaker that's doing things right. With the exception of the Corvette and their trucks, GM is garbage. Chrysler isn't doing any better.

[SimpleS14]

It's an interesting comparison, yet very doubtful the consumers out there for either car would cross shop. I like the progress Ford had taken on the Mustang and it will be very interesting to see what the next iteration has in store.

For me, in terms of personal preference, I would take the M3.

[lucky7]

sorry, you have to be registered to read the thread. if you're a member, it's worth a read. the car is getting respect from all over the place.
Bimmerforums - The Ultimate BMW Forum (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1425765&highlight=mustang)

[Omarius Maximus]

Acceleration to mph
0-30 1.6 sec
0-40 2.5
0-50 3.3
0-60 4.3
0-70 5.5
0-80 6.9
0-90 8.5
0-100 10.3
Passing, 45-65 mph 2.1
Quarter mile 12.8 sec @ 110.8 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph 105 ft
Lateral acceleration 0.94 g (avg)
MT figure eight 25.3 sec @ 0.75 g (avg)
Top-gear revs @ 60 mph 1900 rpm

Read more: 2011 Ford Mustang GT Premium test numbers - Motor Trend (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_1003_2011_ford_mustang_gt_premium_test/test_numbers.html#ixzz0lPNrtrKM)

The GT will shit all over anything in the 30k area. As far as I'm concerned, it's the premier rwd sport coupe right now. I know the Genesis got a ton of hype here, and it's performance is pretty mediocre. Is it an asian car thing?

And the V6 secretary package:

0-30 1.9 sec
0-40 2.8
0-50 3.9
0-60 5.1
0-70 6.7
0-80 8.5
0-90 10.5
0-100 13.1
Passing, 45-65 mph 2.7
Quarter mile 13.7 sec @ 102.0 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph 104 ft
Lateral acceleration 0.96 g (avg)
MT figure eight 25.8 sec @ 0.71 g (avg)
Top-gear revs @ 60 mph 1800 rpm

Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_1003_2011_ford_mustang_v_6_test/test_numbers.html#ixzz0lPP3Ic62

[Omarius Maximus]

Brembo package with the 19 in wheels:

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2010/03/lead1mustanggtfd2011.jpg

[NINJASPY]

-2011 v6 mustang weighs in at 3500. I prefer to drive smaller/lighter/lowpower cars as they are more fun to me without getting in trouble. And I am noobish driver so smaller car easier to learn on.
gone are the days of sub 3000lb cars....

-yes i know the final drive ratios are shitty for the stock cars, I think my friend had 2.86 final drive on his 99ish mustang, when he went to 3.30's or whatever, he was instantly deep in the 13's in the 1/4 mile.

-anything can handle good if setup right... porsche rear engine... or a fwd civic

IL Track Tested: 2010 Chevrolet Camaro V6 vs. 2011 Ford Mustang V6 (http://blogs.insideline.com/straightline/2010/04/il-track-tested-2010-chevrolet-camaro-v6-vs-2011-ford-mustang-v6.html)

apparently its 30k for the v6 305hp, but 0-60 in 5.6 is quite impressive. 400hp should put it in the mid 4's?

-really? 05 g35x for 10g's? shit maybe I should sell my s14 LOL

If it is really 30k for the v8 400hp, as some sources try to say, then I don't doubt that it will sell out quickly and dealers would have to pre-order them for customers. Hell... if it was really 30k I might consider buying one. Nah fuck it, I want a z06.

[S13shaka]

the sequential turn signals are pretty bobo though

[idahotuner]

my experience with BMW owners, they think bmw is the best cars ever and imports are trash, but they are still better then domestics. they would laugh at this comparison. a mustang haha

[MikeisNissan]

I love the new mustangs. Great cars. Best bodystyle to date.

[ronmcdon]

apparently its 30k for the v6 305hp, but 0-60 in 5.6 is quite impressive. 400hp should put it in the mid 4's?


Well the base v6 mustang starts at around 23k.
Optioned out, it'll hit the 30's.
30k will get you the base 5.0

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/car/10q1/2011_ford_mustang_v6-short_take_road_test

With last year’s already extensive updates powering the 2010 Mustang GT to a win in a three-way with a Camaro SS and Dodge Challenger R/T, we’re delighted to see Ford spreading the love to the V-6 model. We didn’t get a chance to sample the base car with the normal suspension, but at $22,995 to start, the 2011 Mustang V-6 is the least-expensive way to get rear-wheel drive and 300 hp; 2010 Camaros base at $23,530, and the Genesis coupe with a 3.8-liter V-6 starts at $25,750. The Dodge Challenger SE starts at $23,460 but is so grossly outmatched as to be easily dismissed from the conversation.

Our Grabber Blue Mustang was decked out in Premium trim, which at $26,695 to start nets leather hides for the seats and steering wheel, a booming Shaker 500 audio system, and various chrome and aluminum detailing, among other amenities. Also featured were the Security package ($395) with wheel locks and an anti-theft alarm; Comfort package ($595) with a six-way power driver’s seat and heaters for the front chairs; the Performance package; and the $995 Mustang Club of America package, which includes a blingy stainless-steel billet grille, fog lights, flat-black stripes down the body sides, a similar appliqué between the taillights, a prominent decklid spoiler, unique 18-inch wheels, and several other bits. Total: about $30,675.

[lucky7]

my experience with BMW owners, they think bmw is the best cars ever and imports are trash, but they are still better then domestics. they would laugh at this comparison. a mustang haha

register on bimmerforums and click this link:

sorry, you have to be registered to read the thread. if you're a member, it's worth a read. the car is getting respect from all over the place.
Bimmerforums - The Ultimate BMW Forum (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1425765&highlight=mustang)

[VROOOM]

i can't wait for the 2011 Mustang to come out. it's gonna be an animal. The Camaro should have turned out like this.

funny how the 2011 Mustang V6 runs the same 1/4 mile times as the 2010 Mustang GT does.

[ronmcdon]

well the Camaro pretty much reset the benchmark last year.
Ford is more or less matching everything spec for spec, and then some.
they even managed to undercut the Camaro's price by some amount.

You have to give the Camaro due credit.
Ford probably wouldn't have bothered with souping up their Mustang had it not been the Camaro.
The old GT was aging, and the V6 was dismal.
I have a feeling Chevy's going to throw in a couple upgrades for their Camaro.

I think it's safe to say the Genesis Coupe is irrelevant now.
The V6 Mustang is even going to give the 370z it's run for the money.

[VROOOM]

except they built the Mustang to handle much better than the Camaro. Gm did an awesome job, but i think alot of the Camaro's succes has to do with the 8 year absence. next year will be interesting, we can see if the Camaro stays on top. i think if they bring out the Z28 they may.

[ronmcdon]

iirc, the z28 was the Camaro's equivelent to the Mustang Shelby 500 or whatever.
Totally different car in the 40k-50k price range.
Kinda redundant as at that level, the Camaro is priced the same as a C6 Corvette.
If I had 50k to blow, a Vette or M3 are the best contenders imo.

Come to think of it, the value of the 30k GT now is just so much better than the 48k Shelby 500.

[murda-c]

iirc, the z28 was the Camaro's equivelent to the Mustang Shelby 500 or whatever.
Totally different car in the 40k-50k price range.
Kinda redundant as at that level, the Camaro is priced the same as a C6 Corvette.
If I had 50k to blow, a Vette or M3 are the best contenders imo.

Come to think of it, the value of the 30k GT now is just so much better than the 48k Shelby 500.

vette is a whole nother type of car though.

No back seats, lol.

[lucky7]

anyone ever drive a new camaro? IMO, it's a joke. you cant see shit, the interior is nice looking, but shitty to operate. that car has so many blindspots! and for such a huge car, you cant fit jack shit in it! the 2 2010 mustangs i drove were much nicer to drive. new model should be even better. no to mention, mother-effing grabber blue.

[sincity_sil80]

2011 mus stank .. is ghey.. Found On Road Dead, Fast Only Rolling Downhill, Fix Or Repair Daily.. never liked mustangs, never will.. just my opinion

[deolio]

Ohh, shut up.

Ford is the only American automaker that's doing things right. With the exception of the Corvette and their trucks, GM is garbage. Chrysler isn't doing any better.

wasn't saying it was any better than any of the other american car companies... actually, tesla is better than ford, but besides them, they're all the same.

[Mikey213]

Like someone said.. I'd rather get a c6 vette. Even if it's a "whole other car." Value is better, the car is just... better.

[simmode1]

I think it's safe to say the Genesis Coupe is irrelevant now. The V6 Mustang is even going to give the 370z it's run for the money.

It seems a little like that... Factory turbo power is nice and all... but the little 2.0L's powerband ain't gonna compare to these big boys. It's like the 90's entry level sports car market all over again... Well, maybe not with the RX8 and Sk2 bowing out, but almost...

[soreballz]

2011 mus stank .. is ghey.. Found On Road Dead, Fast Only Rolling Downhill, Fix Or Repair Daily.. never liked mustangs, never will.. just my opinion
How's it feel to be an ignoramus?

wasn't saying it was any better than any of the other american car companies... actually, tesla is better than ford, but besides them, they're all the same.
lol, Tesla, really? You're joking, right?


These guys... :duh:

[ranger240]

30k and the car goes to 60 in 4.3 seconds stock

thats MIND BLOWING

all these ig'nant folks whining about how bmw's are better blah blah blah, domestics make me burn when i pee,:wtc::wtc::wtc:, wah, wah, wah


that new 5.0 will kill nearly all contenders within 15 grand of its price point.

we're 240 enthusiasts, we're about underdog low buck performance cars.


the new GT is ridiculously dominant and none of the objections presented as of yet address the fact that the numbers just bury naysayers.


it still would be nice if it was lighter but nobody makes lightweight mainstream cars anymore. maybe the new ft86 will have a ballsy engine option, who knows. with segment competition like v6 mustangs, the new ft probably will need a higher hp model

[franklin93zx]

2011 mus stank .. is ghey.. Found On Road Dead, Fast Only Rolling Downhill, Fix Or Repair Daily.. never liked mustangs, never will.. just my opinion
Have you ever owned a Ford or do you just think "I'm gay and joined a nissan forum cause everyones doing it and I think all american cars are gay buts everyone else does" ? my parents have owned plenty of Fords and over course there are the ones that are always gonna have problems, but there are also the ones that run flawless for example my dads 93 bronco ran like a champ up until 275xxx miles and the tranny blew out but there is also my sisters 2000 v6 mustang that has gone through one engine and about 4 alternators. So it goes to show there will always be two sides to each story

[drift freaq]

wasn't saying it was any better than any of the other american car companies... actually, tesla is better than ford, but besides them, they're all the same.

LOL you seriously have to be Joking first off the Tesla uses a Lotus Chassis. Second off when compared to how a real Lotus is its a pile of shit. Its heavy , It wallows in the corners and is just stupidly overpriced for what you get.

Its a rich persons "I am trying to look green" status symbol, by driving an electric sports car and nothing more.

As far as sports cars go I would just as soon save 60k and Buy the Lotus. Great gas mileage goes like stink and handles like a bat out of hell.

Tesla is not even worth mentioning in this convo as well as the Mustang would make mince meat of it.

[Teddy]

I was never really into Mustangs. I always thought they were the cliche American-person-car to buy since forever.

However I really did like their retro styling on the newer Mustangs. It definitely kept the car true to its roots, unlike the Foxbodys etc which were terribly ugly.

Overall, they're pretty neat now.

[NINJASPY]

30k and the car goes to 60 in 4.3 seconds stock

thats MIND BLOWING


yes, we will see what happens when it reaches the dealer with the markups and whatnot.

Are any of those prices officially released by ford?

[ronmcdon]

You can already 'build your own' on the Ford website.
Imo, you have to watch the options.

A 30k GT base trim seems reasonable enough.
Add the $1600ish brembo pkg, the $400 axle upgradw,
$600 hids, $1,300 stereo, etc,
it can run well beyond 40k before you know it.

I wouldnt be to concerned with the weight of the car.
It does well with the specs & reviews.
Besides 3500 isnt far from the norm.

ill try to test drive the Mustang the next few weeks.
The GF wants a new car & likes the V6 base trim.
soon youll be buried in option costs.

[franklin93zx]

I was never really into Mustangs. I always thought they were the cliche American-person-car to buy since forever.

However I really did like their retro styling on the newer Mustangs. It definitely kept the car true to its roots, unlike the Foxbodys etc which were terribly ugly.

Overall, they're pretty neat now.
I forgot in what advertisement but they actually stated that they are trying to get the attention of the "younger female" crowd ranging from ages 16 - 24 or something like that, and yes the foxbody was definitely the ugliest along with the generation that followed it

[sincity_sil80]

How's it feel to be an ignoramus?


lol, Tesla, really? You're joking, right?


These guys... :duh:

I admit..my comment was ignorant in stating that i never will, but as i previously mentioned, its just my opinion, i personally dont like the styling of recent mustangs or a majority of them for that matter. but most of all i just dont like the type of people that drive them from my own personal experiences. that is all

[sincity_sil80]

Have you ever owned a Ford or do you just think "I'm gay and joined a nissan forum cause everyones doing it and I think all american cars are gay buts everyone else does" ? my parents have owned plenty of Fords and over course there are the ones that are always gonna have problems, but there are also the ones that run flawless for example my dads 93 bronco ran like a champ up until 275xxx miles and the tranny blew out but there is also my sisters 2000 v6 mustang that has gone through one engine and about 4 alternators. So it goes to show there will always be two sides to each story

Do you think i've owned a ford based off of my comment??and it was a joke!! hence the abbreviations. I know all fords or any car for that matter dont require maintenace daily. but i guess your too simple minded to have even noticed. and really..?? look at the dates that we both joined.. yours is after mine you dumbass, so does that mean you just go around accusing people of what your probably guilty for.. and not once in my previous comment did i ever say that all domestics are gay, you automatically assumed my preference thus making yourself look like an idiot, lastly learn how to write, your sentences dont make sense "I think all american cars are gay BUTS everyone else does" "and over THE course "<---(i capitalized your mistakes for you.. maybe you'll notice this time around):down:

[Murphy_Skate]

I think the mustang downgraded from the previous generation as far as looks go. The new ones look like a weak chick version.

[[email protected]]

best fucking Mustang ever made. period.
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t50/reddev003/Ford/cobra8.jpg

[wh0aitznic0]

YES! Bring the Terminator back, please.

[franklin93zx]

look at the dates that we both joined.. yours is after mine you dumbass,
a three month difference really? hahaha i was apart of 300zxclub and nico and I was getting bored with 3zc and nico is gay as shit so I decided to see how I would like zilvia so I decided to creat an account. But whatever I did make myself look like an idiot and you are entitled to your opinion

[240sxcure]

best fucking Mustang ever made. period.



Not quite.

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/photopost/data/3943/medium/01553.JPG

[ranger240]

best fucking Mustang ever made. period.
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t50/reddev003/Ford/cobra8.jpg

WRONG

Not quite.

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/photopost/data/3943/medium/01553.JPG

and WRONG


http://image.mustangandfords.com/f/10760540+w750+st0/mdmp_0807_01_z+1967_ford_mustang_shelby_gt350+side view.jpg

http://www.itsme.be/img/1970-mustang-boss302.jpg

http://www.americancarimports.com/bullitt_mustang.jpg

wow with people thinking fox bodies and crappy s/c ones are the greatest its no wonder that mustangs have crappy reputations

[exitspeed]

I think it's safe to say the Genesis Coupe is irrelevant now.
The V6 Mustang is even going to give the 370z it's run for the money.

I wouldn't buy the Mustang over the Gen Coupe. I just don't like it enough. I do think the Mustang is a better bang for your buck, but it's styling is not for me.

[WanganRunner]

actually, tesla is better than ford, but besides them, they're all the same.

This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

How can you compare a cottage industry firm with an as-yet not mass market technology to a Fortune 100 household name automaker?

I'll admit that the muscle car aesthetic isn't my bag, but the Stang GT outbrakes the M3, accelerates almost exactly the same, is lighter, is half the price, etc etc etc. If this isn't at all compelling to you than you're obviously not basing your auto-buying decisions on performance.

The V6 with 300hp and 31mpg for $23k is astonishing.

[VROOOM]

the V6 will own anything in its price range.

the 2011 V6 Mustang is as quick as a 2010 GT

[1_Bad_Silvia]

i still dont respect american cars... it will break down sooner or later..it will become a junk car...and it doesnt deserve to b in this forum

[WanganRunner]

i still dont respect american cars... it will break down sooner or later..it will become a junk car...and it doesnt deserve to b in this forum

^^
I'm not the "rah rah patriotism" type, but this is a seriously ignorant comment.

Do you look at rankings or read automotive news? Is it generally important to you to know what you're talking about before you speak?

Ford handily beat both Nissan and Infiniti in 2009-10 Initial Quality and Dependability rankings.

Toyota and Honda were still higher on both, but Ford ran over Nissan/Infiniti/Mazda (and all the Germans other than Porsche)

[peetiewonder]

i love the new motor and suspension on the 2011 mustangs but i personally think the body is booty on them compared to the 05-09... i could be a little biased though

if i had the coin i would swap a 5.0 into my 06 in a heartbeat. that motor is bad ass.

[exitspeed]

i still dont respect american cars... it will break down sooner or later..it will become a junk car...and it doesnt deserve to b in this forum

^^
I'm not the "rah rah patriotism" type, but this is a seriously ignorant comment.

Do you look at rankings or read automotive news? Is it generally important to you to know what you're talking about before you speak?

Ford handily beat both Nissan and Infiniti in 2009-10 Initial Quality and Dependability rankings.

Toyota and Honda were still higher on both, but Ford ran over Nissan/Infiniti/Mazda (and all the Germans other than Porsche)

Seriously. Dude learn some shit before you open your mouth.

[turboboost12004]

silly ricers, there is just no replacement for displacement....


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[ronmcdon]

I wouldn't buy the Mustang over the Gen Coupe. I just don't like it enough. I do think the Mustang is a better bang for your buck, but it's styling is not for me.

I'm not all that fond of the retro aethetics either.
but wow, I can look past all that considering what it offers, at the fantastic value it is.
If I had to nitpick, though, I'd say why bother with the V6 when the 5.0 is only $6k more?

At a glance, the seats don't appear to offer much lateral support,
and reviews have mentioned steering to be more on the light side.
however, these really are things you need to check for yourself in a test-drive imo.

So far, this is Ford's best effort in their current lineup imo.
(inlc all of their offerings in europe & australia).
It's equal parts sports car & muscle.
I'm definetly impressed.

oh, it'll definetely be interesting to see what the aftermarket can do with the new 5.0 (or even the 3.7).

[1_Bad_Silvia]

^^
I'm not the "rah rah patriotism" type, but this is a seriously ignorant comment.

Do you look at rankings or read automotive news? Is it generally important to you to know what you're talking about before you speak?

Ford handily beat both Nissan and Infiniti in 2009-10 Initial Quality and Dependability rankings.

Toyota and Honda were still higher on both, but Ford ran over Nissan/Infiniti/Mazda (and all the Germans other than Porsche)

u know who the ignorant person is? a person who depends on the news & not his/her own eyes. if i didnt know what im talking about, i wouldnt say anything out of no where...you really think a v6 mustang is as good as infiniti or german cars...just think for 1 mintue..than answer.. :)

[1_Bad_Silvia]

Seriously. Dude learn some shit before you open your mouth.

i learned enough to say what i said.. time for u to learn how to talk in a repectful way considering ur 30yr old. aint I right?

[Teddy]

I once drove a mid-60s Mustang from LA all the way the Pomona swap meet.

TO THIS DAY, the smoothest ride I have ever experienced. It was amazing.

[1_Bad_Silvia]

to both ( WanganRunner ) and ( existspeed) what i said was my opinion and you should both respect that..we all have different opinions remember? and specialy to (existspeed) bro, dont talk crap..im not ur friend or something.. im here to have fun not argue..thanks

[Teddy]

im here to have fun not argue..thanks

With all due respect, Brethren,

A forum is a place intended for conversation as well as argument.

Carry on.

[HalveBlue]

to both ( WanganRunner ) and ( existspeed) what i said was my opinion and you should both respect that..we all have different opinions remember? and specialy to (existspeed) bro, dont talk crap..im not ur friend or something.. im here to have fun not argue..thanks

So.......you expect unquestioned acceptance of your (uninformed) opinion, while at the same denying the same to those who disagree with you.

OK.

To keep my reply somewhat relevant to this thread. I love the new Mustang. Beautiful car and an awesome value to boot.

In the land of Audi, BMW, and Mercedes, Mustangs (any American muscle cars for that matter) are considered pure sex.

[exitspeed]

i learned enough to say what i said.. time for u to learn how to talk in a repectful way considering ur 30yr old. aint I right?

to both ( WanganRunner ) and ( existspeed) what i said was my opinion and you should both respect that..we all have different opinions remember? and specialy to (existspeed) bro, dont talk crap..im not ur friend or something.. im here to have fun not argue..thanks

Dude, you're on a public forum with 50,000+ people and you honestly expect everyone to agree with you? Especially when you make an uneducated statement like you did? I could throw facts at you all day long that can prove you wrong.


PS I can only defend GM and Ford. Chrysler, not so much.

I like how you think YOU know what belongs on this forum more then I do. THAT shit is just laughable.


I'm not all that fond of the retro aethetics either.
but wow, I can look past all that considering what it offers, at the fantastic value it is.
If I had to nitpick, though, I'd say why bother with the V6 when the 5.0 is only $6k more?

At a glance, the seats don't appear to offer much lateral support,
and reviews have mentioned steering to be more on the light side.
however, these really are things you need to check for yourself in a test-drive imo.

So far, this is Ford's best effort in their current lineup imo.
(inlc all of their offerings in europe & australia).
It's equal parts sports car & muscle.
I'm definetly impressed.

oh, it'll definitely be interesting to see what the aftermarket can do with the new 5.0 (or even the 3.7).

I'm actually a fan of what Ford is doing. Especially the Fusion. The new Focus and Fiesta and going be huge hits here. The new Mustang is a darn good vehicle as well. But it's just not my style. I drove a new Camaro (which I prefer style-wise) and while I totally dug the car and maaaaaybe could see myself driving one, it's still just not quite me. Big heavy muscle cars, just don't do it for me. I'm honestly waiting for the FT86. I don't care so much for straight line speed (although both the Camaro and Mustang are supposedly great in the twisties), as I do finesse in a car. I mean that is really the essence (no pun intended) of the 240, why so many people like it and become addicted to it. The FT86 is going to be more like a 240 then the Gen Coupe and therefore is my choice.

[SimpleS14]

The FT86 is going to be more like a 240 then the Gen Coupe and therefore is my choice.


Sorry to stray off-topic, but I have to ask...why do you feel this way? I4 RWD coupe from a Japanese automaker with motorsports heritage?

[D.Adams]

silly ricers, there is just no replacement for displacement....



ummm its called a Turbo

[exitspeed]

Sorry to stray off-topic, but I have to ask...why do you feel this way? I4 RWD coupe from a Japanese automaker with motorsports heritage?

That.

But really it seems they are focusing on making the car balanced, lightweight (relatively by today's standards), and not trying to cram as much HP in as they can. It's also low slung which the Mustang or Camaro def aren't. I actually like the Gen coupe's styling but the weight is really killin it for me.

[ronmcdon]

I wouldnt be too discouraged by the cars curb weight
(or any other stat for that matter).

The best thing to do is really read about the car,
and then take a proper test drive.
I find reading reviews beforehand allows you to focus more
on the cars alleged strengths and dificiencies.

Driving feel is just sometimes so different than what stats would presume.
I foolishly got a Sti some years ago based on stats alone.
Ended up trading for something else two years later

Anyhow, for shits & giggles we should go out for a test drive.
That would allow for more interesting discussion really.
I just hope the 2011 models are on the dealer lots by now.
5.0 are probably going to get marked up though

[1_Bad_Silvia]

(halveblue) i know there will be arguing and disagreement..its natural...but there is a difference between arguing in a respetful manner and arguing by dirty talking. that i don't want. i dont mind if people dont agree with me.

[peetiewonder]

ummm its called a Turbo

you know you can turbo a larger engine also which returns to the fact that there is no replacement for displacement.


I heard over on the Mustang Forums that the 2011 has been delayed.

[lou's40sx]

In my opinion, which may be wrong, but it is fact and worth more than all youz.

OP, there is no mention of the 2011 Mustang because I would just flame on it, to be honest.

I like the new retro modern body designs of the newer mustangs, but I still think that they are crap in terms of performance and handling. Poor resale value, and Fords don't really have a reputation about being reliable nor do I like their companies douchebaggery in treating customers.

It's the fact that a 2011 Ford Mustang 500 Twin Turbo Shelby won't hold up to the resale value of a 1995 Honda Civic SI hatch, that puzzles me. If you give me a Mustang 500 GT spec Type R Super Snake, I'd probably sell it and get an M3. The fact is BMW builds such nice and solid cars. I drive a BMW 5 series on occasions and I understand why BMW costs that much. The solid feel and precision of German engineer is worth the extra buck(s).

And finally, Dooon Dooon Doooon dooooon:

COUNTER ARGUE THIS:
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[Omarius Maximus]

Have you even bothered to look at the rest of the thread? Name one car that matches or beats a Mustang GT's performance at the 30k price point.

The only car that comes close is a freaking GM.

I'm really proud of the domestics. At a time when Honda's sportscar is a POS CRZ that is marginally slower than a Toyota Prius, and when the Toyota FT86 just got a hell of a lot more expensive: Toyota ups price of the FT-86 - Autocar.co.uk (http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/248971/)
The Evo and STI have lost some performance, and cost 40+k now with options. The only Jap company I give props to is Nissan, and even then, the Z has gotten too expensive as well.

It seems that in this shitty economy, the only people that get it are Ford and GM. Everyone else moved upmarket.

[yokotas13]

ummm its called a Turbo
not quite
still dont get the tq.

plus put a turbo on the v8...and yeah

dollar for dollar cant match a v8

[VROOOM]

And finally, Dooon Dooon Doooon dooooon:

COUNTER ARGUE THIS:
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[ronmcdon]

Have you even bothered to look at the rest of the thread? Name one car that matches or beats a Mustang GT's performance at the 30k price point.

The only car that comes close is a freaking GM.

I'm really proud of the domestics. At a time when Honda's sportscar is a POS CRZ that is marginally slower than a Toyota Prius, and when the Toyota FT86 just got a hell of a lot more expensive: Toyota ups price of the FT-86 - Autocar.co.uk (http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/248971/)
The Evo and STI have lost some performance, and cost 40+k now with options. The only Jap company I give props to is Nissan, and even then, the Z has gotten too expensive as well.

It seems that in this shitty economy, the only people that get it are Ford and GM. Everyone else moved upmarket.

well you have to take into consideration most of these cars are built overseas.
the drastic weakening of the dollar over the decade isn't going to make any imports cheaper.
the pricing of imports are still competitive imo.
if you look at FD's, Supras, etc in the 90's, those were a lot more expensive in their day.
We still have it well, for the most part.

[BurdenInOurHands]

I like the new retro modern body designs of the newer mustangs, but I still think that they are crap in terms of performance and handling.

As compared to what? A Ferrari? For the car's starting $30k price new, what is faster and handles better in the same price range? Words like those are meaningless without comparison.


It's the fact that a 2011 Ford Mustang 500 Twin Turbo Shelby won't hold up to the resale value of a 1995 Honda Civic SI hatch

If you give me a Mustang 500 GT spec Type R Super Snake, I'd probably sell it and get an M3

What?

If you're going to start talking about things that don't exist, you might as well quit now.

And for all I love BMW's, you can watch race-prepped M3's race door to door and lose to Mustangs on TV - just watch the Continental Tire Sports Car Challenge on Speed, the Mustangs controlled the race at Barber this past weekend.

[VROOOM]

twin turbo GT500's are no joke.
07-09 Shelby GT500 Twin Turbo System - 650 to 1,200+ HP (http://hellionpowersystems.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=140)

600+whp for as much as an SR swap would cost

[BurdenInOurHands]

twin turbo GT500's are no joke.
07-09 Shelby GT500 Twin Turbo System - 650 to 1,200+ HP (http://hellionpowersystems.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=140)

600+whp for as much as an SR swap would cost

Ah, thanks for that link.

I still don't understand why he bothered comparing the resale of a GT500 with a setup like that to the resale of a 1995 Civic - the GT500's resale won't be great, sure, but then again all cars depreciate and who puts money into modifications like that hoping to make money on them later on?

[WISH ONE]

peep this.
2011 Mustang V-6 vs 2010 Genesis Coupe 3.8 Track vs 2010 Camaro RS vs 2010 Challenger SE - Motor Trend (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1004_2011_mustang_v6_vs_2010_genesis_coupe_3_8_vs_ 2010_camaro_rs_vs_2010_challenger_se/index.html)

[exitspeed]

Hahahhaha....Good for Hyundai.

4th place: Dodge Challenger SE
A yacht trying to keep up with speedboats, but the ride and style are smooth.

3rd place: Chevrolet Camaro RS
A quick coupe whose weight sacrifices fun and cartoonish cabin compromises comfort.

2nd place: Ford Mustang V-6
New 3.7 is nearly as quick as last year's 4.6-liter V-8, and more fun to drive, too.

1st place: Hyundai Genesis 3.8 Track
The only one that looks and feels like a sports car. Surprise, we liked it best.

Read more: 2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 Track test - Motor Trend (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1004_2011_mustang_v6_vs_2010_genesis_coupe_3_8_vs_ 2010_camaro_rs_vs_2010_challenger_se/hyundai_genesis_coupe_v6_track.html#ixzz0lkrOSdLl)

[peetiewonder]

Hahahhaha....Good for Hyundai.

4th place: Dodge Challenger SE
A yacht trying to keep up with speedboats, but the ride and style are smooth.

3rd place: Chevrolet Camaro RS
A quick coupe whose weight sacrifices fun and cartoonish cabin compromises comfort.

2nd place: Ford Mustang V-6
New 3.7 is nearly as quick as last year's 4.6-liter V-8, and more fun to drive, too.

1st place: Hyundai Genesis 3.8 Track
The only one that looks and feels like a sports car. Surprise, we liked it best.

Read more: 2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 Track test - Motor Trend (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1004_2011_mustang_v6_vs_2010_genesis_coupe_3_8_vs_ 2010_camaro_rs_vs_2010_challenger_se/hyundai_genesis_coupe_v6_track.html#ixzz0lkrOSdLl)

The Hyundai won based on "feel" the mustang still mopped the floor with it in every objective category.

[Xbroke_kidX]

This thing is pretty fucking cool. Closed ass minded people talking shit because its not JDM lol. This car is way better then anything any Japanese car companys have come out with in a while.

[exitspeed]

^
In the price range I can't argue that.

The Hyundai won based on "feel" the mustang still mopped the floor with it in every objective category.

I'll take feel over quarter mile times any day. It's the reason why people love 240's, BMW's, Miata's. The feel.

You could date a chick that's a perfect 10. But if she sucks in bed that freaky ass bitch that you think is an 8 is gonna look a whole lot better. ;)

[Omarius Maximus]

^
In the price range I can't argue that.



I'll take feel over quarter mile times any day. It's the reason why people love 240's, BMW's, Miata's. The feel.

You could date a chick that's a perfect 10. But if she sucks in bed that freaky ass bitch that you think is an 8 is gonna look a whole lot better. ;)

The Hyundai won because it was the top of the line model. 30+k. vs. the 25k Mustang. If they were comparing performance coupes, they could have easily done the Mustang GT at 30k vs. the Hyundai Genesis.

For 25k, you can't get a remotely competitive Genesis. You're stuck with the slow as hell 4 banger.

Performance wise, the V6 Mustang mops the floor with both, and I'd sacrifice "feel" or any other subjective rationalizations if it means 6k in my bank account.

[WISH ONE]

The Hyundai won because it was the top of the line model. 30+k. vs. the 25k Mustang. If they were comparing performance coupes, they could have easily done the Mustang GT at 30k vs. the Hyundai Genesis.

For 25k, you can't get a remotely competitive Genesis. You're stuck with the slow as hell 4 banger.

Performance wise, the V6 Mustang mops the floor with both, and I'd sacrifice "feel" or any other subjective rationalizations if it means 6k in my bank account.

You also arent taking into consideration that the mustang used had all the gt500 bushings also those pirelli tires pull a significant higher amount of lateral Gs than the Genesis RE-summer tires. Its sort of an unfair advantage if you ask me, not to mention those pirellis alone decreased lap times by 6-7 seconds.

[codyace]

Not quite.

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/photopost/data/3943/medium/01553.JPG

I personally know the guy who built that car, before he sold it :D Lets just say that car is MINT and the original builder has a rediculous collection of bad ass 80's cars.



I till LOL at these forum kids who think anything American sucks.

Fox Body's out powered and performed anything near them in price from their time

C5 and C6 Corevettes make cars 5x their value look slow

and now the trend continues, with the new Mustang being 'on par' with the m3. 'The ultimate driving machine' is a sweet car, but at the end of the day, a truck go fast junky will be sitting behind that 5.0

[Omarius Maximus]

You also arent taking into consideration that the mustang used had all the gt500 bushings also those pirelli tires pull a significant higher amount of lateral Gs than the Genesis RE-summer tires. Its sort of an unfair advantage if you ask me, not to mention those pirellis alone decreased lap times by 6-7 seconds.

What? It's a 2k package on top of the 23k base price. How is that unfair? Still undercuts the Genesis by 5-6k.

[BOROSUN]

http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/92/l_a5a080d7794c47f599fbd64fbcab69b9.jpg

oooh in your face!

[WISH ONE]

What? It's a 2k package on top of the 23k base price. How is that unfair? Still undercuts the Genesis by 5-6k.
Price wise you could always get an Rspec, has all the track goodies, weighs 3300lbs, $23,750... but only 2 liter at the moment.
To each his own, honestly i dont even want to get involved lol.
The mustang is awesome and seems like a cool car, but id rather pick the genesis anyday for my own reasons(opinions) and for others that I cannot disclose.


On another note Im down for the Fox's, i used to really want one. one day ill get one for a project.

[exitspeed]

I'd rather not have either and wait for the FT86. :)

I like the Genesis more then the Mustang but not enough to buy one.

[VROOOM]

i think we will have to wait and see about the FT-86, seems they might now be all they are cracked up to be

from autoblog


However, a report from Autocar claims that higher than expected development costs could derail any dreams of a good looking, inexpensive FT-86. The British site sites unnamed Toyota sources as saying that the base price of the little coupe has shot from £13,000 ($20,000 in U.S. funds) to £15,000 ($23,000 U.S.), with a range-topper coming in at £17,000 ($26,000 U.S.). Further, Autocar reports that Toyota sports vehicle department head Tetsuya Tada says that the company has increased the targeted FT-86 age group has been bumped by a full 10 years from the 30s to the 40s.


http://www.autoblog.com/2010/04/21/its-not-even-out-yet-toyota-reportedly-upping-price-on-ft-86/

[ronmcdon]

Target group bumped up from 30s to 40s, lol.
Which probably means its targeted towards Toyotas existing demographic.
(cars that are comfy & pratical, but questionably fun to drive).

Makes sense kinda.
Toyota has a large stake in Subaru.
Just have Subaru make fun cars.
Toyota continues to serve the family & elderly customer base.

Speculation aside, id just wait to see what they come up with.
Its difficult to be optimistic however, given Toyotas past efforts.
(borrowing others ideas and not necc doing it any better).

Still, i wouldnt mind if they did something cool for a change.
Doesnt hurt to have another nice car on the market

[ronmcdon]

Price wise you could always get an Rspec, has all the track goodies, weighs 3300lbs, $23,750... but only 2 liter at the moment.
To each his own, honestly i dont even want to get involved lol.
The mustang is awesome and seems like a cool car, but id rather pick the genesis anyday for my own reasons(opinions) and for others that I cannot disclose.


On another note Im down for the Fox's, i used to really want one. one day ill get one for a project.

think a lot of it boils down to whether not you want to mod your car.
Its fair to say the 2.0 R is pretty much a platform just for that.

I know the 4B11 engine from the evo x is fairly resposive to boltons & software.
Wonder how the Genesis counterpart fares.
I doubt itll be cheap to extract more power out of the Mustang 3.7
If you want to keep things stock & have good mpg the Mustang v6 is great

[exitspeed]

i think we will have to wait and see about the FT-86, seems they might now be all they are cracked up to be

from autoblog


However, a report from Autocar claims that higher than expected development costs could derail any dreams of a good looking, inexpensive FT-86. The British site sites unnamed Toyota sources as saying that the base price of the little coupe has shot from £13,000 ($20,000 in U.S. funds) to £15,000 ($23,000 U.S.), with a range-topper coming in at £17,000 ($26,000 U.S.). Further, Autocar reports that Toyota sports vehicle department head Tetsuya Tada says that the company has increased the targeted FT-86 age group has been bumped by a full 10 years from the 30s to the 40s.


It's Not Even Out Yet: Toyota reportedly upping price on FT-86 &mdash; Autoblog (http://www.autoblog.com/2010/04/21/its-not-even-out-yet-toyota-reportedly-upping-price-on-ft-86/)

Target group bumped up from 30s to 40s, lol.
Which probably means its targeted towards Toyotas existing demographic.
(cars that are comfy & pratical, but questionably fun to drive).

Makes sense kinda.
Toyota has a large stake in Subaru.
Just have Subaru make fun cars.
Toyota continues to serve the family & elderly customer base.

Speculation aside, id just wait to see what they come up with.
Its difficult to be optimistic however, given Toyotas past efforts.
(borrowing others ideas and not necc doing it any better).

Still, i wouldnt mind if they did something cool for a change.
Doesnt hurt to have another nice car on the market

That is all just speculation at this point. We will just have to wait and see.

[Bubbles]

You will never convince me V6 mustang sounds cool.


I don't care if it has a million pounds of torque and comes with a toothless chick that blows you.

[ronmcdon]

well it doesn't seem right not to get a V8 Mustang, or any muscle car for that matter.
(I know I wouldn't skimp there considering the $6-$4k premium).

however, it's a pretty sensible choice considering th fuel economy & possible insurance savings.
I won't scoff at anyone who drives a '11 V6 mustang.
the old v6 was an outdated POS long due for an overhaul.

[exitspeed]

well it doesn't seem right not to get a V8 Mustang, or any muscle car for that matter.
(I know I wouldn't skimp there considering the $6-$4k premium).

however, it's a pretty sensible choice considering th fuel economy & possible insurance savings.
I won't scoff at anyone who drives a '11 V6 mustang.
the old v6 was an outdated POS long due for an overhaul.

I agree. I'd NEVER EVER EVER buy a V6 muscle car instead of the V8. It's like a hot chick with no vagina. It's a muscle car without the muscle.

[sirfallsalot243]

Hell someone sponsors someone with a free car fuck ya they are going to drive it. LOL

Does that mean the car is really that good? Does that mean the person honestly likes the car enough to own it themselves? Maybe but not always.

Perfect example: You think Ken Block ENJOYS having his ass handed to him in his FIESTA? If Subaru were still involved with WRC, theres no fucking way he'd be driving a ford.

[BBSHT240]

Only reason Vaughn Gitten jr drives a Mustang is because Ford is paying for it.

Hell someone sponsors someone with a free car fuck ya they are going to drive it. LOL

Does that mean the car is really that good? Does that mean the person honestly likes the car enough to own it themselves? Maybe but not always.

Its really cool to see some of the interest here with regards to the new Mustang.

I will always have a special place in my heart for Nissan s chassis's ( I still own 3 of them) I definitely shared the same opinion a lot of you seem to have based on the traditional Mustang stereotypes the majority of us have grown up with and are mentioned here at one point.

For the record I do not drive a Mustang because "Ford pays for it" I decided I wanted to drive a Mustang well before any Ford support was in the picture or even dreamed about. I loved with the way the 2005 looked and once I drove one I fell in love. In 2005 I started competing in one and in 2008 Ford came in the picture and since then we have built a great relationship. There is some really good people that work on the Mustang team and they really "get it" I have been in multiple meeting's with the team and they have asked a lot of really good questions and seem to be genuinely interested in my feedback. it is obvious by the new v6 and v8 performance and price point that they are moving in the right direction. I think this thread is proof of that and it is really cool to see everyone opening there minds to the car a bit more, especially this crowd.

And yes I do own one myself- once you drive one its hard for it not to be a must have. Not a sales pitch its truly how I felt. I drove the 2010 across the US last year and I had to have a street mustang.

As far as the "NO IRS" comments, when I asked the engineers "why not an IRS?" They simply redirect the question "Why should we make the car more expensive just to ad an IRS, The current 3 link live axle with a panhard out performs almost every IRS car in the class and that's a fact. Based on the fact that both the new V6 and V8 Mustang are extremely fun to drive, relatively affordable and performs awesome in road racing, drifting and of course drag racing,The only answer I came up with that made sense related to the majority of car owners is that "people just want to say they have IRS because solid axle is viewed as ancient".

I would like to ask you all what would you argument for wanting IRS be? Aside from hardcore racing applications how and why is having IRS better other then solid axle is an old?

Go test drive one and tell me you don't want one, I will be shocked! It looks alot bigger and heavier then it feels behind the wheel.

I also wanted to share the Mustang RTR with you guys. This is a dealer installed package that I have designed and manufactured. It is something that I feel will bridge the gap between traditional mustang styling and the way most of our generation likes to get down with regards to styling. It will be available in May at select Ford Dealerships. Here is a link to a speed hunters feature on the car (the blue stripes are now matte black) CAR FEATURE>> MUSTANG RTR - Speedhunters (http://speedhunters.com/archive/2010/01/31/car-feature-ford-mustang-rtr-gittin.aspx) .

Anyway I just wanted to chime in. As a long time member of the Nissan community and both a Nissan and Ford enthusiast it is cool to see people especially this crowd opening there minds to Mustang.

I would love any feedback good or bad.

Have fun!

Vaughn

[BustedS13]

oh eeew mustangs, hella fail, doesn't bring cute lil boys to my bedroom like a nissan with hello kitty stenciled on the hood
horsepower is dumb, straight line performance is dumb, being a highway monster is dumb, driving a car that can take a daily beating is dumb
mustangs are so drift

[g00se]

I stopped by a Ford dealership today and while waiting for my daily POS 1997 explorers leaking rear diff to be replaced i checked one of these bad boys out. And i have to say i was really amazed. I really like the interior, gone it seems is the day of the shitty domestic interior, (it could be that after sitting in my 10 year old s14 that any newer interior may seem like a huge improvement but it is actually pretty clean) especially the retro gauges. The seats are well bolstered, and the dash layout was surprisingly elegant in a retro kind of way. I didnt have the time to test drive it but the roaring sound of a v8 > i4.

[drift freaq]

Its really cool to see some of the interest here with regards to the new Mustang.

I will always have a special place in my heart for Nissan s chassis's ( I still own 3 of them) I definitely shared the same opinion a lot of you seem to have based on the traditional Mustang stereotypes the majority of us have grown up with and are mentioned here at one point.

For the record I do not drive a Mustang because "Ford pays for it" I decided I wanted to drive a Mustang well before any Ford support was in the picture or even dreamed about. I loved with the way the 2005 looked and once I drove one I fell in love. In 2005 I started competing in one and in 2008 Ford came in the picture and since then we have built a great relationship. There is some really good people that work on the Mustang team and they really "get it" I have been in multiple meeting's with the team and they have asked a lot of really good questions and seem to be genuinely interested in my feedback. it is obvious by the new v6 and v8 performance and price point that they are moving in the right direction. I think this thread is proof of that and it is really cool to see everyone opening there minds to the car a bit more, especially this crowd.

And yes I do own one myself- once you drive one its hard for it not to be a must have. Not a sales pitch its truly how I felt. I drove the 2010 across the US last year and I had to have a street mustang.

As far as the "NO IRS" comments, when I asked the engineers "why not an IRS?" They simply redirect the question "Why should we make the car more expensive just to ad an IRS, The current 3 link live axle with a panhard out performs almost every IRS car in the class and that's a fact. Based on the fact that both the new V6 and V8 Mustang are extremely fun to drive, relatively affordable and performs awesome in road racing, drifting and of course drag racing,The only answer I came up with that made sense related to the majority of car owners is that "people just want to say they have IRS because solid axle is viewed as ancient".

I would like to ask you all what would you argument for wanting IRS be? Aside from hardcore racing applications how and why is having IRS better other then solid axle is an old?

Go test drive one and tell me you don't want one, I will be shocked! It looks alot bigger and heavier then it feels behind the wheel.

I also wanted to share the Mustang RTR with you guys. This is a dealer installed package that I have designed and manufactured. It is something that I feel will bridge the gap between traditional mustang styling and the way most of our generation likes to get down with regards to styling. It will be available in May at select Ford Dealerships. Here is a link to a speed hunters feature on the car (the blue stripes are now matte black) CAR FEATURE>> MUSTANG RTR - Speedhunters (http://speedhunters.com/archive/2010/01/31/car-feature-ford-mustang-rtr-gittin.aspx) .

Anyway I just wanted to chime in. As a long time member of the Nissan community and both a Nissan and Ford enthusiast it is cool to see people especially this crowd opening there minds to Mustang.

I would love any feedback good or bad.

Have fun!

Vaughn

Wow I stand corrected. Thank you Vaughn for this post. I respect completely your viewpoint here. I owe you an apology for my assumption.

What you are doing with Ford and the Mustang is indeed cool. I would love nothing more than American car manufacturers build a good competitive car.

America can do a lot of stuff technology wise and we do lead the world in technology. Now before anyone goes and tries to naysay that its true.

I also am not so much trying to say America is superior so much as making a call out to American Automobile manufacturers.They can build great cars and design great cars. Just get the UAW out of they way LOL and in GM's case management. LOL

Again thank you Vaughn and Ford for trying to make a difference.

Perhaps I will go test drive a Mustang. That RTR looks damn nice. Yup I said that. It is one of the nicest reiterations of current Mustangs I have seen.

[exitspeed]

Man if GM would pay me to drift a CTS Wagon I'd be ALL THE FUCK OVER THAT! lol.

Oh, or a G8 GXP.

[lucky7]

u know who the ignorant person is? a person who depends on the news & not his/her own eyes. if i didnt know what im talking about, i wouldnt say anything out of no where...you really think a v6 mustang is as good as infiniti or german cars...just think for 1 mintue..than answer.. :)

the FIRST V6 model came out less than a week ago, because i know the owners son. the GT has not been released to the public yet. the more clear it is that you have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about. and don't get mad because that's my opinion. :keke:

[drftwerks]

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh228/kungfujerry/Mustang20Cobra20R.jpg

best mustang ever.

[lucky7]

i <3 SN95 cobras.
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1223/583015406_87f85454e3_b.jpg

i want a white vert, tan interior, dropped a couple inches with a turbo under the hood.

[peetiewonder]

You could date a chick that's a perfect 10. But if she sucks in bed that freaky ass bitch that you think is an 8 is gonna look a whole lot better. ;)

Not quite the same thing, but I like where your head is. My point is that if they can't say anything more than the genesis wins because we like it even though the Mustang beat it like a redheaded stepchild, then that's not grounds enough in my book to declare victory and go out and celebrate.

I can honestly say I love my mustang, probably a little too much but if theres a better car i'll admit it... it just ain't in the under 30k price range.

[ronmcdon]

Went to the local Ford dealer today hoping to test drive the '11 Mustangs.
Unfortunately they said the '11 will come out around 1st/2nd week of May.
(12 days from today).

The '10 GT's are bieng offered w/ $1k cash back & 0% APR for 60 mo financing.
Not really worth it imo considering the '11 V6 models will offer almost the same performance.

Its really cool to see some of the interest here with regards to the new Mustang.

I will always have a special place in my heart for Nissan s chassis's ( I still own 3 of them) I definitely shared the same opinion a lot of you seem to have based on the traditional Mustang stereotypes the majority of us have grown up with and are mentioned here at one point.

For the record I do not drive a Mustang because "Ford pays for it" I decided I wanted to drive a Mustang well before any Ford support was in the picture or even dreamed about. I loved with the way the 2005 looked and once I drove one I fell in love. In 2005 I started competing in one and in 2008 Ford came in the picture and since then we have built a great relationship. There is some really good people that work on the Mustang team and they really "get it" I have been in multiple meeting's with the team and they have asked a lot of really good questions and seem to be genuinely interested in my feedback. it is obvious by the new v6 and v8 performance and price point that they are moving in the right direction. I think this thread is proof of that and it is really cool to see everyone opening there minds to the car a bit more, especially this crowd.

And yes I do own one myself- once you drive one its hard for it not to be a must have. Not a sales pitch its truly how I felt. I drove the 2010 across the US last year and I had to have a street mustang.

As far as the "NO IRS" comments, when I asked the engineers "why not an IRS?" They simply redirect the question "Why should we make the car more expensive just to ad an IRS, The current 3 link live axle with a panhard out performs almost every IRS car in the class and that's a fact. Based on the fact that both the new V6 and V8 Mustang are extremely fun to drive, relatively affordable and performs awesome in road racing, drifting and of course drag racing,The only answer I came up with that made sense related to the majority of car owners is that "people just want to say they have IRS because solid axle is viewed as ancient".

I would like to ask you all what would you argument for wanting IRS be? Aside from hardcore racing applications how and why is having IRS better other then solid axle is an old?

Go test drive one and tell me you don't want one, I will be shocked! It looks alot bigger and heavier then it feels behind the wheel.

I also wanted to share the Mustang RTR with you guys. This is a dealer installed package that I have designed and manufactured. It is something that I feel will bridge the gap between traditional mustang styling and the way most of our generation likes to get down with regards to styling. It will be available in May at select Ford Dealerships. Here is a link to a speed hunters feature on the car (the blue stripes are now matte black) CAR FEATURE>> MUSTANG RTR - Speedhunters (http://speedhunters.com/archive/2010/01/31/car-feature-ford-mustang-rtr-gittin.aspx) .

Anyway I just wanted to chime in. As a long time member of the Nissan community and both a Nissan and Ford enthusiast it is cool to see people especially this crowd opening there minds to Mustang.

I would love any feedback good or bad.

Have fun!

Vaughn

About the lack of the IRS, honestly if they can do without out & maintain impressive performance results then so be it.
It appears to deliver and that's all that matters imo.

The RTR pkg looks nice & the photos were great, thanks for sharing.
Any idea of the approximate cost?

[BBSHT240]

The RTR pkg looks nice & the photos were great, thanks for sharing.
Any idea of the approximate cost?


The RTR package is $7895 on top of the price of a new Mustang. A V6 version will be released in the future.[/I]

[codyace]

I would like to ask you all what would you argument for wanting IRS be? Aside from hardcore racing applications how and why is having IRS better other then solid axle is an old?

I think much of the 'anti live axle' crew are the same guys that regard pushrods as complete garbage and junk (especially the LSx series haters). With anything in 'forum life' it seems that those who often scream and shout the loudest, often have the least experience (if any usually) with what they are so adamant about.

I would venture to guess that galf of the people against live axle cars, have never even been in a car with one, this side of an F150, nor have they been in a modified one at that. I've been in some SERIOUS hell rides in American Iron X cars during HPDE days, and can say that a properly handling car, is just that...I'm not to concerned over what parts are under in (in regard to design), just so long as it's efficient.


PS: I absolutely love watching your vidoes with that Mustang -- I'm personally not a drift guy (but I enjoy watching it) but boy oh boy does that car sound completely badass, and looks great with the ass end hanging out. "Makes me proud to be an American" as they say haha

[lucky7]

i keep coming back to this thread. this is me driving the first street version of the 2010 Roush 427R.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3644/3598571787_08f835308b_b.jpg

me again, driving the Roush Stage 3.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2745/4282425072_dae3e014be_b.jpg

fun cars for sure. should be even better N/A.

[0100]

Not sure if any of you guys are aware of the Ford Mustang BIW (body in white) program that has been around for a very long time. If you plan on building a race car that may be the way to go. Ford Racing starts taking orders for ’10 BIW Mustangs | Miscellaneous Blog & Discussions at 5.0 Mustang and Super Fords Magazine (http://blogs.mustang50magazine.com/6557614/miscellaneous/ford-racing-starts-taking-orders-for-10-biw-mustangs/index.html)

No clue when or if they will be taking 2011 orders. Could build a road racing beast.

http://www.acproducts.us/Mustang%202010%20race%20next%20to%20street%20car.j pg

[BurdenInOurHands]

I assume the one on the right is built to something similar to GT1/Trans Am rules...fantastic looking car and undoubtedly wicked fast.

[MikeisNissan]

holy shit the one on the right is hot!

[lucky7]

doing a photoshoot in a month or so of a grabber blue GT. owner should get his car later this week/early next week.

[omgRWDgoodness!]

Shit's weak.

That's why.

QUOTE FOR TRUTH!!!!! :bowrofl:
I also agree about the Genesis statement. The only good thing to ever come out of Detroit is the Red Wings.

[soreballz]

I love threads that bring out all of the ignorant fuckbags (such as the guy above).

[VROOOM]

155hp ftw!!!!

[omgRWDgoodness!]

I love threads that bring out all of the ignorant fuckbags (such as the guy above).

Oh yes, I was just waiting to pounce and troll on this.

[peetiewonder]

Bringing this thread back from the dead, but i drove a 5.0 two days ago and all I can say is WOW!!!! The motor is so incredibly smooth it's not even funny, with just minor bolt ons those things will be insane.

[Matej]

Is anyone else totally sick of seeing the retro Mustang?
It is seriously everywhere.
Commercials, movies, TV shows, you cannot go anywhere without having the Mustang shoved in your face. Pretty much every show on Adult Swim has had an animated version of the Mustang on it. The Simpsons had an animated Mustang. South Park had an animated Mustang. If you see a commercial that happens to have a car in it, two out of three times it is the Mustang. Every other new movie has the Mustang in it.
Is this some kind of viral marketing by Ford?

[Bushido]

the new mustang is a home run

i've never really been a fan of the mustang since the 69 fastback...


but the 2011 is fucking awesome. muscular, brash, and true to its heritage.

[mrflip69]

IMHO 2011 looks like a femmed up version of the previous gens... not that it's a bad thing.

Yeah, how about the mustang in Kickass, or fucking Knight Rider? Getting overexposed badly.

[VROOOM]

a guy showed up today at work with a black 2011 5.0 GT. it looks pretty nice, didnt get a ride. but maybe tomorrow

[turboboost12004]

I shall stick to my foxbody, lol.. but the new 5.0 is just bad ass!

[xpl2007]

I agree FOX body is still the shit. Notchback!

The new 2011 V6 sounds just like a 350z.
It is the fastest legal 6 anything that I have driven.

When the new body styles came out for Mustang back in 05ish I to was testing
them for drifting for myself and proved that it could be done minus the weight.

It was proven at House of Drift!
And just recently at other events.
Its going to be a crazy next year for the Mustang.

It still feels heavy but its night and day in V8 or V6 platforms.

I think the V6 is the best rental car ever!