Someone Better Get A Lawyer Soon...

[GTGuy06]

Some people may want to be calling a lawyer to try and protect you from the RIAA. You probably have heard that the RIAA(Recording Industry Association of America) is gathering names and addresses of people who download songs illegally off Kazaa, Morpheous, and other Peer 2 Peer programs. The initial wave of lawsuits will come as soon as mid-August with fines of up to $150,000 per infringement!(a.k.a. per song)

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1473293/20030625/index.jhtml
http://www.riaa.com/news/newsletter/062503.asp

P.S. Can someone try and find out how they are going to gather names and addresses, and if possible a way to hide from any possible lawsuits. Because I dl couple songs every time I get on the net, and I and all most everybody else dont have $150K or more to spend on fines, because the music record companies are being babies and want to cry foul. So I can just go and hide from the RIAA and go on about my life without worrying about being slapped with a lawsuit. What are your thoughts about this?

[hookedup240]

ok, my friend is a computer expert and he knows all about this stuff. He says all you have to do to protect yourself is to not let anyone dl songs off of you. Make sure you set it so no one can download off of your shared folder. That is how they are going to find out who has illegal songs and they can trace it to your name and stuff like that.

[X-Iceman]

i hate how the government protects companies so much.i mean if they think they can pull this off and not **** of a nation, they are wrong. i mean how many people do you know who have dled or still dl songs? if people are making mix cds or full albums and then selling bootlegs, then yes by all means bust their asses. but if i am taking one song off an album because its the only good song. well where is the problem with that. like apple has done with charging for their songs. good idea. but wait, none of the music i listen to is goin to be up for dled off of their site. if i like an artist, i buy their cds. but most artist i like end up selling all their cds because they make so few. so...
anyways, we all be goin to jail now.

[theronin]

One Word... Lame

Ok some more words... the new Kazaa lite... Enjoy!:bow:

[DuffMan]

When someone downloads off you through Kazaa or any other similar program they connect directly to your PC. The RIAA does this and gets your IP address, and then they contact your ISP (AOL, Comcast whatever) and ask who was assigned that IP. A lot of ISP's have agreed to turn over this information.


If you dont share any songs, you cant be sued. Though if no one shares any songs, then no one can download, so this pretty much sucks. I say boycott all CD sales.

[scandalcat1]

i always recommend a chain of socks5 proxies and of course a lame username for kazaa lite. after your download is finished, change your addresses again and move the mp3s to some type of removeable media and then wipe (secure delete) the entire drive. any type of logs need to be deleted as well, then wipe them too. then perform a defrag afterwards. have some type of firewall (hardware of software) in place to deny all lookups, pings, or open ports except for the ones you are using.

remember, download a few at a time using different ip addresses (rotational frequency)

[DuffMan]

Originally posted by scandalcat1
i always recommend a chain of socks5 proxies and of course a lame username for kazaa lite. after your download is finished, change your addresses again and move the mp3s to some type of removeable media and then wipe (secure delete) the entire drive. any type of logs need to be deleted as well, then wipe them too. then perform a defrag afterwards. have some type of firewall (hardware of software) in place to deny all lookups, pings, or open ports except for the ones you are using.

remember, download a few at a time using different ip addresses (rotational frequency)

I'm sorry you dont really know what you're talking about because none of those things would accomplish anything in hiding your identity from someone downloading mp3's off you.

If you dont want to be identified dont share mp3s, the rest of that stuff you mentioned is irrelevant.

[scandalcat1]

Originally posted by DuffMan
I'm sorry you dont really know what you're talking about because none of those things would accomplish anything in hiding your identity from someone downloading mp3's off you.

oohhh no, she didn't. 5,4,3,2,1. START. actually i never said anything about downloading from me, just from them (client) maybe if you read a little more and understood ip you could maybe not look so .
if i didn't know what i was talking about then i would not have suggested those things with great detail.
hey buddy, do me a favor and configure snort with the restrictions of scanning all incoming requests from a known bad subnet (assailant) and send an e-mail to me so i can report to the isp originator.
its ok to know about cars, but to even have a comment like yours with no basis is ground for ridicule.


look...kid, finish school, get some real world experience, then come back and talk to daddy. until then, keep adding your tie rods and stickers and keep on practicing your curb drifts and replacing broken arms.

[scandalcat1]

Originally posted by DuffMan
I'm sorry you dont really know what you're talking about because none of those things would accomplish anything in hiding your identity from someone downloading mp3's off you.

If you dont want to be identified dont share mp3s, the rest of that stuff you mentioned is irrelevant.
btw, he is does not mention whether from a downloader or downloaded perspective. one of us is wrong as far a sthat is concerned. but my statement is for downloaders (clients) to cover their a$$. so yes, in fact, i am correct for the sake of clients. the riaa is after every possible perpetrator in this issue.
i never share, so thats why i would not even comment on that issue further. goodbye :p

[DarkRaptor42]

This intire thread in nonsense. You are allowed to make 3 copys of any media you own with out penlty of law. You cannot however sell your copies for any reason. This whole Kazza thing is ridiculous and lame. All you have to do to clear your name is saw you own a copy of the original song. To clear this they would have to get a warrent to search your house to see if you did infact own a copy of the original. Its stupid. Dont let anyone tell you otherwise. If this lawsuit was real. You could get fined for recording the radio.

[theronin]

Originally posted by DarkRaptor42
If this lawsuit was real. You could get fined for recording the radio.

You can be fined for recording radio!:doh:


;)

[GTGuy06]

this maybe a nonsense thread to you, but to me its a once in a while chance to post a topic that I have actually done a little bit of research on, and to me and others it affects use cause we dl shiznit like crazy, and dont feel like paying a good amount of money to the government for stupid shiznit like this

[theronin]

i use kazaa too man, just tellin everyone who doesnt know about kazaa lite to try it out... and make sure they get the brand spankin new one while they are at it! Can anyone say unlimited search!

[DuffMan]

Originally posted by scandalcat1
btw, he is does not mention whether from a downloader or downloaded perspective. one of us is wrong as far a sthat is concerned. but my statement is for downloaders (clients) to cover their a$$. so yes, in fact, i am correct for the sake of clients. the riaa is after every possible perpetrator in this issue.
i never share, so thats why i would not even comment on that issue further. goodbye :p

Maybe you just like wasting your own time or something. Explain to me:

1: How one would go about proving that you downloaded a copyrighted mp3 off annother kazza user. (This is possible to do, but extremely unlikely that it would be done for the purpose of a lawsuit)

and

2: How any of the things you listed would protect yourself against #1 (which they wont).

[scandalcat1]

Originally posted by DuffMan
Maybe you just like wasting your own time or something. Explain to me:

1: How one would go about proving that you downloaded a copyrighted mp3 off annother kazza user. (This is possible to do, but extremely unlikely that it would be done for the purpose of a lawsuit)

and

2: How any of the things you listed would protect yourself against #1 (which they wont).
I have prepared this article specifically for you, so consider yourself special.
First and foremost, I am going to assume that you are enlightened by the recent news of the TIAA DEVELOPED BY DARPA the originators of the internet, the presidents new powers (supposedly temporary)granted by conrgess in the post 9/11 time frame, some personal liberties which have been taken quietly away (www.aclu.org)which gives the ability for a field F.B.I. operative to acheive and obtain a search warrant if requested or reasonable cause need be (help, he has guns and is a terrorist) and are guilty until proven innocent.
The others are the DMCA which overwrites the copyright act of 1976 in many ways and also brings to the table an even more vague interpretation of what can be copied or not and provisions thereof.

Now that we have gotten a little history and the advanced powers for searching your household for and under pretty much any accusation, you should read up here to get some insight on:
1: Q.How one would go about proving that you downloaded a copyrighted mp3 off annother kazza user. (This is possible to do, but extremely unlikely that it would be done for the purpose of a lawsuit)

A. since i am lazy and don't like typing, read this http://www.zeropaid.com/news/articles/auto/06232003d.php
and this
http://www.zeropaid.com/news/articles/auto/03032003e

2: Q.How any of the things you listed would protect yourself against #1 (which they wont).
ahh yes, the fun part...you don't sound too sure of yourself because you are asking me a question after stating that it is not feasable. as a product of the dotcom bust (while you were prolly in middle or high school) whilst in the IT crapola market, i managed to pick up a few things along the way...if you want more info, I would not care to discuss this on a forum and would prefer a different method of chat as it goes into great detail and is considered unlawful.

[DuffMan]

Ah, so you are nut case well that explains it.


Well i'll just let it go and leave you to your paranoia.

:ugh:

[scandalcat1]

Originally posted by DuffMan
Ah, so you are nut case well that explains it.


Well i'll just let it go and leave you to your paranoia.

:ugh:
why is it that we fear that which we do not understand. to resort to name calling shows character. ahh well, finish playing with your die-cast skyline, ps2/x-box video games, and let me know when you are old enough to drink beer. nut case, nah, just know more than your average schoolboy, experience lad, you'll learn to appreciate it someday.

[theronin]

are they gonna bust me for all the porn i have downloaded off kazaa?:rolleyes:

[silnv]

Originally posted by theronin
are they gonna bust me for all the porn i have downloaded off kazaa?:rolleyes:

I hope this doesnt happen I will go to jail for a long time!!!

[zero.counter]

I would imagine as long as it is not kiddie-porn you would be fine. Now if it is Girls Gone Wild videos with copyrights then you could get worried.:D

[theronin]

Originally posted by zero.counter
I would imagine as long as it is not kiddie-porn you would be fine. Now if it is Girls Gone Wild videos with copyrights then you could get worried.:D

Na... just plain ole fashioned DVDA, Bondage, Dominatrix Porn... ya know the kind everyone has!:rolleyes:

[zero.counter]

Originally posted by theronin
Na... just plain ole fashioned DVDA, Bondage, Dominatrix Porn... ya know the kind everyone has!:rolleyes:

cool, thats normal.:D