what kind of offset to clear WIDE wheels..?

[FRpilot]

hey. im thinking about getting some te37s in 9.5in or 10in wide widths. the following offsets are available for each width:

<b>9.5</b> +12,+28,+35,+40
<b>10.0</b> +18,+45


i am going to be running coilovers and 30mm zbrakes, but i know with these wheels i will definitely need a spacer. i am also going to get wide blister rear quarter panel fenders and wide vented fenders that will be able to make these wide widths look right.

my question is.. what should i go with? i kinda want 9.5 width but 12 offset seems pretty low. 10in with +18 offset sounds a little better with spacers. which set would you guys recommend so i wont have clearance issues?

actually, if you guys can throw out any comments and suggestions i'd appreciate it. i wouldn't have a problem fitting these wide wheels onto an s13 right? i know i might have to trim some of the metal on the fenders before i put the wide blister fenders on. lmk. thanks guys.

[Dousan_PG]

what I would do

well first what you should know:

you MUST get your fenders rolled
you MUST run a semi-stretched tire (flush with edge of lip)
you MUST use negative camber

that is IF you are using stock fenders
otherwise, aftermarket fenders you can run a wider tire, dont need to roll fenders, less camber im sure too

also 10 +18 w/ spacer UM....YOU NEED TO LEARN ABOUT OFFSETS!!

anyways. what i would do:

9.5 +28 to fit ok. +12 if u want to use a wide fender
10 +48 should be fine
wide fender +18

sil80mania has 9" +22 w/ about -3 camber. is flush! 215/45 on it too.
watch your tire sizes!
the volk website says if it clears certain brake upgrades. pay attention to the symbols they use on there. there is a little table at bottom explaining it.

enjoy the wait haha..takes 3 months or more to get on average.


edit: i typed 10.5 instead of 10..my bad! fixed

[KOUKI KA-T]

215/45 on a 9" wheel???! That doesn't sound like a good idea to me. Dousan, is this purely for clearance issues??
Wow FRpilot, I hope you have some serious power to start spinning 10" wide wheels...

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by KOUKI KA-T
215/45 on a 9" wheel???! That doesn't sound like a good idea to me. Dousan, is this purely for clearance issues??
Wow FRpilot, I hope you have some serious power to start spinning 10" wide wheels...

nah bro, its for drifting
many drifters run a 215/45 on a 17x9
i know people in japan who do it.
sil80mania does it too. drifting purposes
but lately i've know a fwe who go to a 225 now and enjoy the response as well

its common for drifting: stretching tires

hachiroku guys sometimes do a 195/60/15 on a 15x9 or 205 on 10" or more. nuts haha...sidewall flex? what's that? :D

[KOUKI KA-T]

Yeah that's pretty crazy. I could just imagine going to my local tire place and asking them to mount 215's on my 9" wheels. They'd kick my @ss out! I'm interested in driving a setup like that though...
I actually went and had tires mounted on my GT-n's yesterday and they gave me a hard time about that, said they had to mount them with the wheel face down on the rack because the tires wouldn't seat over the lip. They didn't want to scratch them, but I told them to just do it anyway and all was well.

[Dousan_PG]

dont go to america's tire or whatever.
find a shop that works primarly on BMWs, Mercedes and such
those blign blign type wheel shops are YOUR FRIEND
why?
rich people dump used tires, shop pays for used tires to get picked up. so work something. you'lll buy the tires for nominal fee and get your wheel mount/balanced done there

those americas tire company places blow

build relationship w/ the small shops. that's the key.

yeah they put some 285s on a 12" just recently...
they'll stretch a tire if i want too. but not much stretchign for a 205/55 on a 7.5" wheel haha


back to this guys stuff.
go wide fenders and the lowest offset hahaha
:)
DEEEEEP sunken in face on the TE37s
that's a "GTR offset" :) hehe

[FRpilot]

thanks for the advice guys.. um.. dousan.. haha..

so i should get low offset? +12 or +18 for a big lip or sucken in look? i dont want it too look too sucken in.. maybe 1-1.5 inch in..

i'll worry about tires later.. i just want to know what kinda offset i should go with for now before i order.

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by FRpilot
thanks for the advice guys.. um.. dousan.. haha..

so i should get low offset? +12 or +18 for a big lip or sucken in look? i dont want it too look too sucken in.. maybe 1-1.5 inch in..

i'll worry about tires later.. i just want to know what kinda offset i should go with for now before i order.

i DONT THINK YOU UNDERSTAND!
you have NO choice! it willlllll be beyond flush

read the part where is say "you must"

you have NO CHOICE. it will be beyond flush
there will be NO sunken in!!!

you WILL need negative camber to get it UNDER fender. no negative camber=mexicali look=wheels stick out WAY past fenders!

learn about offsets
www.tirerack.com

im done!

[Dousan_PG]

if u dont want flush.

go higher offsets +40 and +45

should clear but i wont say for sure! i have NO idea! i dont know the minimum.
i do know 9" +30 clears all (except SOME coilovers). so go lower (less then 30) to clear coilovers

brake clearance ALWAYS depends on spoke design!!!

[KOUKI KA-T]

Honestly 10" would be huge, and apparently not what you are picturing for fitment. I wouldn't go any larger than 9, I have 9" +38 on the rear with no clearance issue, it is perfectly flush with the fender and has close to 3" of lip. If you looking for only 1-1.5", then a 9.5" or 10" wheel is not what you want at all!
I'm not saying it can't be done, but why so big?? Are you putting down like 400hp or is it for the bling effect?

[FRpilot]

its for wide fenders all around and also when i meant 1-1.5 '' i meant the lip on the wheels i wanted. i didn't want a 3'' lip on te37s, something lik a 1-1.5 inch.

[Dousan_PG]

oh if its for wide fenders, get the lowest offset

go look at pics of GTRs w/ TE37s. that's what they will llook like.
pretty much NO LIP
just CRAZY sunken in face..looks soo goooood

[SilviaDriver]

the sunken in look of the TE37 r0x ur s0x0rs!

[FRpilot]

by sunken in look.. you guys mean.. 'deep dish' rims right? not actually the rims being sucken into the fender.. haha. i just have to clarify..

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by FRpilot
by sunken in look.. you guys mean.. 'deep dish' rims right? not actually the rims being sucken into the fender.. haha. i just have to clarify..

dooood
do you know what low offset te37s look like?
THERE IS NO LIP!!!!
go look at sileightymania.com
lip si basically nothing. its the FACE that sunken in. there is really LITTLE to no lip. deep dish? eh..more like deep bowl
hahaha

[LanceS13]

Offsets in the 40's would never clear the front struts with a wheel that wide. I have 7.5"s +35 offset and only have about 10-15mm clearance on the front.

If you're buying pre-made fenders, you need to know how much wider the fenders are gonna be. (If so, where are you getting them from?...curious myself) If they're custom, set the flare width you want, do some measuring, and calculate the offset needed for a flush mount.

[FRpilot]

i feel like a :newbie: haha

:bowdown: :owned:

[DudeYourSoOOJDM]

the wider you go on a wheel...the higher offset you're gonna need.
For example: say you have wheels that are 8 wide...many people choose +35 offset or even in the low +20s. If you are going 9 inch wide, your going to want about a +40 to make up that extra inch you added in width. This is also why you see 6 inch wide rims w/ +10 or even 0 offset and still inside the fenders. I saw an s14 this weekend 18x9 in the rear +32 offset (PERFECT) and 18x8 in the front +20 offset (PERFECT)....BTW he fit 265's on the 18x9's w/o fender rolling using avs es100s. Hope this helps

[FRpilot]

really? now im all confused.. i really need to learn about offset. benson's sileighty is running 22 offset on 9'' rims..

i was pretty much set on the 9.5'' wide width with +12 offset. :doh:

[DudeYourSoOOJDM]

go with that if you want your wheels sticking out a 1/2 inch outta your fenders ;)......He also runs negative camber.....and uses stretched tires.....these both help clearance issues.

[DudeYourSoOOJDM]

I forgot to mention....bensons wheels look like that because he chose face 2 option on the volks. You can keep the same offset, but you get the lean mean look that everyone wants....and unfortonately for him the theives that took his wheels got. ......have those wheels popped up yet?????

[LanceS13]

Originally posted by Hypersh1ft240
the wider you go on a wheel...the higher offset you're gonna need.
For example: say you have wheels that are 8 wide...many people choose +35 offset or even in the low +20s. If you are going 9 inch wide, your going to want about a +40 to make up that extra inch you added in width. This is also why you see 6 inch wide rims w/ +10 or even 0 offset and still inside the fenders.

You have to watch your fender clearance, but more importantly, you have to watch the strut clearance. You can always modify the fender, add flares, etc., but you can't just move your struts...well, you can slightly if you have cam bolts and camber plates.

You might could squeeze 8.5"s in the front with the right offset and if you roll the fender lip, but I think anything bigger would require flares.
Let's use the 8.5" example. Don't take this as gospel...these are guestimates, not measurerments. Let's say my 7.5"s have about 12mm strut clearance and 8mm fender clearance with a +35 offset. Let's say that rolling the fenders will give me an additional 10mm clearance. 1"=25.4mm If I keep the same offset with the additional 1" of width, the width will be distributed evenly between the outside and inside. If I only had 12mm clearance inside, but another 1/2"=12.7mm of wheel there, I have 0.7mm interference. After rolling the fenders, I had 18mm clearance on the outside with 7.5"s, so I have 18 - 12.7mm = 5.2mm clearance on the outside with the bigger wheels. So let's move the wheel out, oh say, 3mm giving a +32 offset...which reduces the outside clearance to 5.2 - 3 = 2.2mm, but turns the inside interference into -0.7 + 3 = 2.3mm inside clearance. Tight clearances, but it works in theory. If you want 9.5"s, you'd want all that width on the outside, since there is no more clearance on the inside. So add 1" flares and reduce offset by 1" to 32 - 25.4 = +6 (rounded down). Again these aren't real measurements, just guestimates from 'eyeing' it.
Another consideration...
Dialing in camber on the front strut suspension if using a cam bolt and not camber plates involves moving the top of the wheel closer to the strut, thereby reducing strut clearance further. If you have cam bolts and camber plates, you can move the cam bolts to full positive camber to gain strut clearance, and to compensate, use the plates to lean the whole strut/hub/wheel assembly in for fender clearance and negative camber.

[Dousan_PG]

no, depending on coilover/shock you can fit 9"

r33 gtr 17x9 +30 clears w/ no spacers
fendesr must be rolled. tire size..i THINK is 245 or less..i dont recall
i know a few people w/ r33 gtr
dorifto has them w/ JIC needs 5mm spacer for clearance..that's with 215/45 and rolled fenders

vrt has apex no spacers fenders rolled, 225s clear a-ok

9s fit on s13 fronts

[LanceS13]

I guess I can see them fitting when using such a small tire. Hell, the 225 tires I'm running are over 9" wide (another consideration...tire width). But that's kinda beside my point. I was just saying there's more to consider than fender clearance. Just increasing the offset, like Hypersh1ft said, doesn't guarantee a rim is gonna fit...likely it won't. But like I said, I was basically pulling those numbers out of my *** based on just looking at it, so I could try to illustrate a scenario involving all of the variables in choosing the right offset.

I know you know this dousan, but for other's FYI, +30 with a 5mm spacer is the same as +25.

[DudeYourSoOOJDM]

Good point on the strut clearance.....I knew about that but that's a necessary consideration for people that dont know. FA has a guide on offsets necessary to clear coilovers.....ya have ta take a look at those. The best thing is meet people at meets or whatever....find what looks good and what would suit you the best.

[Got Sileighty?]

isnt there a guide here somewhere regarding offsets and clearance? i forgot if its here or in FA. u guys really need to use search function hahahaha jk :p thats the first and probably the last time i use that phrase, but it felt kinda good. makes me feel like im not a newbie anymore bwahahaha. dont mind me, go on with the discussion....:rolleyes: