My Premie expired, and I'm not renewing til Zilvia is fast...again(?)

[FaLKoN240]

My premie expired and for the first time in like 3 years or something, I'm NOT going to renew it.

Because I don't see my money going towards much.

I've honestly never bought anything in the 'hookup' section.

The rep system is gone.

Hell, I haven't had a working S chassis in over a year, but I still paid for the premie because it felt like it was some what worth it.

There's a lot more reasons I could be listing as well, but I don't feel like it.

Anyways, I'm not going to dump money into this forum if I don't see some sort of benefit to it.

That is all. Anyone with me?!

[MADE]

First it was slow now Im getting page cannot be found 90% of the time. I use to be a premie, only thing I could say was a plus for me was ask Phlip a question thread. Premie fee was worth the entertainment IMO.

[!Zar!]

That's pretty much the same sentiment I have. Though not as deep, my premise is just that I'll probably reup my premie once it gets faster again.

Hard to pay money to a site I do enjoy, but can't view much due to slow loading.

I am aware that the admin and mods are aware of this and working on it, but for now, I'm rockin the black.

[Marc240]

Anyone else having any problems with "page can not be found" while trying to load zilvia lately

[[email protected]]

at work, the Internet is a bit slow so I'm getting cannot connect to server or somethinh like that. can't load a single page

[I LUV MY S13]

amen to this thread

Anyone else having any problems with "page can not be found" while trying to load zilvia lately


all the time

[implayaz9]

Anyone else having any problems with "page can not be found" while trying to load zilvia lately
all time x2

[dOMEmE]

never been premie but this thread just made up my mind on not doing it..

[West]

All,

In those three years the cost of premium members has not gone up. The purpose of premie members has never been about rep or the hookup.

It's good for you to express your concerns as it gives us an opportunity to improve, however I'm not seeing much to work with here. What is it you want out of the premie membership? I'm afraid the rep sys is gone and has been gone for some time, no alternatives that I have reviewed seem worthwhile.

Did you happen to see the server we just bought? It will be live in a week or two, I just configured it over the weekend.

The page not found issue it new to me, but its something that will be addressed. Today Bob is setting up secondary external DNS.

Anyways, offer up some suggestions. We are here to improve!

[West]

Location Result Page Size Response time KB/sec IP Partner
Received responses: 47 Ok 1 Fail Average: 1.25 sec 56.37
Singapore, Singapore Ok 71891 1.79 sec 39.18 64.78.184.41 RuangWeb
Paris, France Ok 71816 1.12 sec 62.51 64.78.184.41 XHN.ES Hosting
Odessa, Ukraine Ok 71816 1.38 sec 50.82 64.78.184.41 7Dns.Ru
Philadelphia, PA, US Ok 71966 0.70 sec 99.96 64.78.184.41 Bluetreehost
Fremont, CA, US Ok 71966 0.69 sec 101.53 64.78.184.41 Indo Network Solutions
Gunzenhausen, Germany Ok 71966 5.86 sec 11.99 64.78.184.41 AppVZ
San Jose, CA, US Ok 71966 0.70 sec 100.54 64.78.184.41 Nicosoft Media
Dallas, TX, US Ok 71966 0.45 sec 155.46 64.78.184.41 Provisov.Net
Bloomsburg, PA, US Ok 71966 0.70 sec 100.32 64.78.184.41 indonetmedia
Roubaix, France Ok 71966 1.12 sec 62.97 64.78.184.41 HejNet
Irvine, CA, US Ok 71966 0.56 sec 124.94 64.78.184.41 ParagonHost
Zagreb, Croatia Ok 71966 1.43 sec 49.03 64.78.184.41 Valkira
Kiev, Ukraine Ok 71966 1.32 sec 53.43 64.78.184.41 Welcomehost
Orlando, FL, US Ok 72110 0.66 sec 106.71 64.78.184.41 Apto Hosting
Dallas, TX, US Ok 72110 1.31 sec 53.67 64.78.184.41 Arvixe, LLC
SPb, RU Ok 72060 1.42 sec 49.68 64.78.184.41 TimeWeb
Secaucus, NJ, US Ok 71966 0.73 sec 96.78 64.78.184.41 ur host
Riga, Latvia Ok 71966 1.40 sec 50.24 64.78.184.41 GARM Technologies
Muenchen, Germany Ok 72110 1.44 sec 48.77 64.78.184.41 PersianWhois
Lansing, MI, US Ok 72110 0.57 sec 123.67 64.78.184.41 Rioserver
Rugby, UK Ok 72060 1.16 sec 60.49 64.78.184.41 NetLevel.ru
Frankfurt, German Ok 72110 1.15 sec 61.19 64.78.184.41 SarTelekom.ru
Atlanta, GA, US Failure("Domain lookup failure:zilvia.net Exception:Not_found") NetLevel.ru
Donetsk, Ukraine Ok 72110 1.51 sec 46.76 64.78.184.41 HostLife
Istanbul, Turkey Ok 72133 1.73 sec 40.76 64.78.184.41 Hostmaestro
Dallas, TX, US Ok 72110 0.49 sec 144.19 64.78.184.41 Valkira
Erfurt, Germany Ok 72110 1.24 sec 56.69 64.78.184.41 VHosting Solution
Erfurt, Germany Ok 72110 3.13 sec 22.51 64.78.184.41 HostPlex Latvia
Dallas, TX, US Ok 72110 0.44 sec 159.93 64.78.184.41 DWS CENTER
Charlotte, NC, US Ok 72110 0.62 sec 113.53 64.78.184.41 HyperOIS
Secaucus, NJ, US Ok 72133 0.67 sec 105.64 64.78.184.41 ServWebSolutions
Lugansk, Ukraine Ok 72060 1.77 sec 39.86 64.78.184.41 One-Hosting
Los Angeles, CA, US Ok 72006 0.67 sec 105.31 64.78.184.41 West Cost Hosting
Dallas, TX, US Ok 72006 0.74 sec 94.55 64.78.184.41 Steadyhost
Kiev, Ukraine Ok 72110 1.67 sec 42.14 64.78.184.41 HOSTED
Vancouver, BC, CA Ok 72006 0.71 sec 98.78 64.78.184.41 Canadian Web Hosting
Frankfurt, Germany Ok 72006 1.24 sec 56.69 64.78.184.41 IceHosting
Kansas City, MO, US Ok 72006 0.72 sec 98.07 64.78.184.41 HostPojok.Com
Maasdijk, Netherlands Ok 72006 1.24 sec 56.70 64.78.184.41 ParsDade (of iran)
Erfurt, Germany Ok 72006 1.26 sec 55.94 64.78.184.41 Profhost Ltd.
Roubaix, France Ok 72110 1.44 sec 48.77 64.78.184.41 XVM Hosting
Toronto, ON, CA Ok 72006 0.60 sec 116.83 64.78.184.41 OnyxNetUa
Kiev, Ukraine Ok 72006 1.36 sec 51.72 64.78.184.41 Qlayer.net
Gunzenhausen, Germany Ok 72110 1.32 sec 53.48 64.78.184.41 aBajt
Atlanta, GA, US Ok 72006 0.53 sec 131.58 64.78.184.41 MoonSoft Systems
Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Ok 72006 1.74 sec 40.33 64.78.184.41 LawyersDB
Orlando, FL, US Ok 72006 0.46 sec 153.19 64.78.184.41 Proclanhosting Game Servers: Game Server Hosting & Rental (http://www.proclanhosting.com)
East Lansing, MI, US Ok 72110 3.68 sec 19.14 64.78.184.41 NIMHOST

[West]

Just an update to the page not found issue. It’s not being caused by us, DNS is not resolving because a hub is going up/down. My Verizon wireless card doesn’t work when the Atlanta link is down, but it does work when its up. NetLevel.ru is probably not to blame, but somewhere in their related network lays the problem.

Atlanta, GA, US Failure("Domain lookup failure:zilvia.net Exception:Not_found") NetLevel.ru

We are setting up DNS with a secondary DNS server from an external source, so hopefully it will resolve this issue by finding the 2nd source.

Anyone who is getting the 404 Page not found errors. After the 404 shows up, Click Start > Run > type cmd and hit OK > type in: ping zilvia.net

Most likely it will not resolve, this is because the issue described above.

[ThatGuy]

Wow, check out Mr. West going the extra mile to track this problem down.

Awesome stuff Mark. :rawk:

[mRclARK1]

All,

In those three years the cost of premium members has not gone up. The purpose of premie members has never been about rep or the hookup.

It's good for you to express your concerns as it gives us an opportunity to improve, however I'm not seeing much to work with here. What is it you want out of the premie membership? I'm afraid the rep sys is gone and has been gone for some time, no alternatives that I have reviewed seem worthwhile.

Did you happen to see the server we just bought? It will be live in a week or two, I just configured it over the weekend.

The page not found issue it new to me, but its something that will be addressed. Today Bob is setting up secondary external DNS.

Anyways, offer up some suggestions. We are here to improve!

I remember when I was still Premie there was a lot of people willing to pay more, with the hope we could keep certain things, such as rep (before it was fucked) and a certain very long popular thread etc. So if the price of premie went up, I don't think most of us would mind if we still got some stuff in return for it. Even if it doubled... It's $20 for a whole year. Not even $2 a month!

It's just a case of willing to donate to the site as long as we see some improvement and some small enjoyments out of it. I haven't renewed my premie for partly that reason, but mostly it's just because I don't use Zilvia often enough anymore. But I'll probably renew soon... I've been black over a year now.

The site has been slow lately. I have not had issue with the "page not found" thing however.

Just an opinion from someone else who was also a premie "back in the day" haha

[XnTroubleX]

Ive had the page not found a couple times in the last few hours!!
And as far as the hook up section--- This forum is a hook up on its own., Consider all of the free knowledge you get when you have a problem, and the hella cheap stuff available!! the stuff Ive bought outside the hook up* was a hookup on its own considering the price.. Rock on zilvia!:rawk:

[FaLKoN240]

It's good for you to express your concerns as it gives us an opportunity to improve, however I'm not seeing much to work with here. What is it you want out of the premie membership?

I want the forum to work like any other website.

I have high speed internet. The forum should work, AT LEAST.

Especially if I'm putting money into this thing.

I know I'm not paying a lot, but this used to be free and work perfectly fine.

It has become SLOWER AND SLOWER over time.

I don't want to pay you guys to browse a slow ass site.

That is all.

This place is great to hang out and I've learned a lot here. But browsing as of late has become painfully slow and a large waste of my time reloading pages over and over again has becoming redundant.

All I want as a premie is the premie section and a good connection to a forum I'll probably frequent til I die, or the world is overtaken by zombies.

[West]

I want the forum to work like any other website.

I have high speed internet. The forum should work, AT LEAST.

Especially if I'm putting money into this thing.

I know I'm not paying a lot, but this used to be free and work perfectly fine.

It has become SLOWER AND SLOWER over time.

I don't want to pay you guys to browse a slow ass site.

That is all.

This place is great to hang out and I've learned a lot here. But browsing as of late has become painfully slow and a large waste of my time reloading pages over and over again has becoming redundant.

All I want as a premie is the premie section and a good connection to a forum I'll probably frequent til I die, or the world is overtaken by zombies.

FaLKoN240, currently the average page load time 3.575 Seconds, which I agree is entirely unacceptable. Over the years our average has been about 1.5 Seconds and we will have it back to that point very shortly.

Whomever, Paying or not, is a valuable part of the community.

If you noticed it started to slow down about 2-3 month ago, which resulted in us purchasing a new server to replace the two year old server that cost $8k, we didn't get much use out that server considering it it lasted a little over two year (about $300/mo over the haul). Generally we like some return on a server investment, ideally it stays in place for 3.5 years. Zilvia runs on 4 servers in case you are curious, changes just don't happen overnight but we try to address critical concerns such as speed as soon as possible. As I said in my previous post, we are addressing the issue, speeds have already improved and they will improve even more shorty.

[West]

I remember when I was still Premie there was a lot of people willing to pay more, with the hope we could keep certain things, such as rep (before it was fucked) and a certain very long popular thread etc. So if the price of premie went up, I don't think most of us would mind if we still got some stuff in return for it. Even if it doubled... It's $20 for a whole year. Not even $2 a month!

It's just a case of willing to donate to the site as long as we see some improvement and some small enjoyments out of it. I haven't renewed my premie for partly that reason, but mostly it's just because I don't use Zilvia often enough anymore. But I'll probably renew soon... I've been black over a year now.

The site has been slow lately. I have not had issue with the "page not found" thing however.

Just an opinion from someone else who was also a premie "back in the day" haha

Its hard to come up valuable add-on's. I know blowing away the rep sys wasn't ideal, but its done now. We can seek alternatives if people so desired.

[Antihero983]

I love how West is blatantly working on the issue, and all you keep doing is bitch Falkon.

we get it. Premie wasnt worth it to you. goody gum drops. why waste yours and our time bitching about it if you have no suggestions to make it better other than "wah it wont load?".

seriously. we'll send the wahmbulance your way.

[MisawaJason]

This thread really delivers. Have a nice life

[xpertsnowcarver]

Sweeeet. Looking forward to two weeks from now. Sucks to see that you didn't get enough use out of the older servers. Only a few people will understand what you are doing Mark. Keep up the good work!

[FaLKoN240]

I love how West is blatantly working on the issue, and all you keep doing is bitch Falkon.

we get it. Premie wasnt worth it to you. goody gum drops. why waste yours and our time bitching about it if you have no suggestions to make it better other than "wah it wont load?".

seriously. we'll send the wahmbulance your way.

Hey fucking flat black retard.

How about you make your car less ugly and shut the fuck up.

He asked me what it would take for me to renew my premie and I told him.

I don't want West to do anything but make this piece of shit faster.

It's been slow for well over a year now on my side.

I never said being premie wasn't worth it to me.

And the only thing I can think of to make the forum better is make it faster.

And maybe get rid of stupid asses with no style, and that own ugly cars.

(Is there a reason you stopped posting pics of your car? Or stopped updating your build thread?)

I would too if my car looked like yours does.

I'm pretty sure I've been paying for Premie longer than your bitch ass.

Don't come in my thread throwing bricks.

[xpertsnowcarver]

.............wait... Where does his car come into this?


Digressing back to your first post. You do not agree that paying/renewing your membership would encourage or move progress along? Not renewing your membership just slows it down (In this case, buying another server that potentially costs $8k, if not, more.)... I paid $20 for two years, a year ago. (I understand $20 from me personally isn't anything, but from many members at once, it makes a good chunk.)

[FaLKoN240]

.............wait... Where does his car come into this?


Digressing back to your first post. Don't you think paying/renewing your membership would encourage or move progress along? Not renewing it just slows it down... I paid $20 for two years, a year ago.

His car comes into this because I know he's all asshurt about me neg repping him hella long ago about flat blacking it.

That's why he's got this personal bone to pick when it comes to me making a post.

If he wants to come at me with that bullshit (name calling etc.) then I'll sink down to his level as well. I'll fucking drop kick a barking dog.

Anyways,

Why should I continue to pay for the website, when it works like half the time?

"Fool me once..."

I've waited well over half a decade for the forum to get better, and really it's only gotten worse.

Most of it cannot be blamed on by the owners or moderators. But this issue can be.

If anything this post and thread is just me vocalizing my disdain for coming to the forum only to be frustrated by the slow loading times.

I know that sometimes it takes a push to get things going and it seems like they're already on it.

Which is why I didn't respond to West.

I don't really give a shit about any bells and whistles for vB board add ons.

The content and SMART members of the forum are more than enough to keep me coming back.

I'll always have a love for S chassis deep down inside, and it's cool to watch the trends, see new stuff coming out, and keep a personal blog in my head of what cool stuff people are doing with their cars.

[xpertsnowcarver]

Ah, okay. I understand now.

[Antihero983]

lol wait.....wut?

Actually what does my car have to with it? Hell you don't even own a running S chassis anymore....I don't even remember who gave me what rep negative or otherwise and could care less. As far as the posting pics thing, my car has looked the same for....shit....3.5 years now? I've owned it for 6 years and dont find it necessary to post pics of it because well nothing has changed on it so there's no need to post the same pic 500 times. And frankly I like my car the way it is and it makes a great lawn ornament so thats where it will stay while I put the other engine I have for it back together and play with my other 2 cars.

your first post says "I don't see my money going towards much". To me that's the same as saying its not worth it. Just saying.

I wasn't trying to "throw bricks" as you so eloquently put it, and I apologize if I came off too harsh and bruised your e-peen.

[ThatGuy]

I will say, Scott, that you are coming off as rather arrogant and overly demanding when you come out of the box with ultimatums.

"I'm not going to dump money into this forum unless I see benefits"

Ok, fine. If you don't think you're seeing any benefit from it, don't renew. I mean, we appreciate the contributions you have made up until now, but frankly, we're not here to cater to you and your demands.

I think I understand what you are trying to convey, but your attitude makes it hard to really care what your point is. You're coming off like a spoiled little brat, "If I can't have it my way, than I'm not going to be your friend anymore!"

Whatever man. If you stick around, cool. If you leave, oh well. Thanks for coming out.

[!Zar!]

I love how West is blatantly working on the issue, and all you keep doing is bitch Falkon.

we get it. Premie wasnt worth it to you. goody gum drops. why waste yours and our time bitching about it if you have no suggestions to make it better other than "wah it wont load?".

seriously. we'll send the wahmbulance your way.

Actually, if nobody said anything about the site being slow; be it in this thread or prior ones, I'm pretty sure less action would be taken.

Just like how Toyota would've not done anything if the people weren't complaining about sticky throttle.

Nothing wrong with voicing opinion.

Yes, WEST is working on this issue, and he even asked what all was wrong. Matter of fact, he found out about the DNS issue from this thread, so that helped one thing at least.

So in theory his, "bitching" helped at least get that issue known. As for, 'wasting your time', nobody told you to open this thread, and even more so, nobody told you to write a diatribe on your feelings.

Do I enjoy zilvia, yes.

Do I enjoy how fast it is, no.

Just because this dislike is voiced is no reason to say, "we don't care if you come back".

Quite poor taste imo.

[Antihero983]

Aw Zar <3

ROFL.

[ThatGuy]

I'm not saying I don't care if you guys don't come back. Just stating that if you chose to move on, so be it.

I understand the problems you are facing with Zilvia, I'm getting them too. I just don't feel the need to try and Threaten Mark with "not dumping money into Zilvia" just because it has slowed down a bit in recent times.

We are constantly getting new members, and the site is constantly growing. The more it grows, the more server space it eats up, at a faster rate. The previous servers, that we could afford at the time, are taxed at this point. So West is striving to get them replaced, ahead of the previous schedule. It's not a magic wand that anyone can wave and suddenly everything is fixed. It takes time.

Zilvia isn't anyone's full time job either. We all have bigger priorities in our lives to deal with, from work to families. But we don't forget about Zilvia. We each donate part of our time, day in and day out to keep this site running to the best of our abilities. For myself and the other Moderators and Super Moderators, that means maintaining the peace and trying to keep the clutter to a minimum. For Administrators, it means dealing with bitchy advertisers, tweaking the servers, reviewing new members, contacting ISPs for repeated attacks by Banned members, updating the Spam software, etc, etc, etc.

Unfortunately, that means somethings can go overlooked at times. The effort is being made, and we ask for your patience. But honestly, idle threats are not going to get you anywhere. We like our members, we would like to keep our members. But walk in to my living room and tell me that if the bathroom door sticks you're never coming back, and I'll gladly show you the way back out.

There is no need to be discourteous towards Mark or Zilvia.

[Drift N Dragg]

Just because this dislike is voiced is no reason to say, "we don't care if you come back".

Quite poor taste imo.

He Didn't Say that.. In lesser words or not.
I also believe this issue is alittle bit different then Toyota, in alot of Ways. Since Toyota KNEW the exsisting problem and did nothing about it.
West Started a thread explaining the problem " http://zilvia.net/f/news-announcements/302617-slow-you-will-defeated.html " Under the News and Annoucncements Section. He also explained about the Server and Ordering it.



FalKon - In the mix of everythign you wrote, You do have a point, BUT having said that:
The way you came off is Rude.
There are Ways to express ' dislikes ' about the forum without resorting to personal attacks ( i.e. re-throwing the Brick )
Being that you have been around for so long, be alittle more understanding. West had already made a post giving a heads up on the Slowness of the Server, the Problem and the Ordering/Receiving of the Server.
You Don't care about Add-On's, But one of few reason's you listed why you are not a Premie anymore is a Add-On to the System.
All in All, I am just saying, Make your point and reference it. No Point in Demanding and/or getting rude. As history proves, in life as well as Forum, having a Attitude or Being Rude never served a useful purpose.

It would be easier just to explain your problem in a decent manner and let's fix the problem.. Every Member is an Important Part of Zilvia, including you.

Mr. West - I don't know if I can be much help, but let me know if I can do anything ( have a few friends in the computer parts business ) and Sir, you are doing a excellent job and tracking down the problem. Your Effort's are appreciated. Thank You!

~D.n.D

[1_Bad_Silvia]

zilvia.net works pretty fast on my computer :)

[SoSideways]

I have noticed Zilvia not being as fast as it used to be, but it always loads for me, and honestly, if speed was the main issue of not visiting a site, and the speed difference between "fast" and "slow" is like 1.5 seconds, then man, somebody has got to get a life.

Anyway, no problems on this end.

I think I let me premie expire for all of like 2 minutes, until I realized I was black.

[FaLKoN240]

I'm happy to see that my "not so kind words" have made somewhat an impact on the people in charge.

I'm sure if I just said "Hey um, excuse me guys, but why is Zilvia so slow?"

I would get some typical PR speech you guys have said numerous times before.

I'm honestly trying to get a reaction out of you guys to see what's going on here.

I know this isn't any of your (mods/admins) day jobs (if so, I don't see how you'd pay your bills :ugh:)

I read that thread about slow being defeated or whatever, but I believe that was a month (maybe longer?) ago, and haven't seen any results.

I made this thread because I'm tired of waiting to see how long it's gonna take for Zilvia to get faster, and I got my answer.

I'm not "threatening" you guys. And I'm certainly not saying I'm going anywhere.

I'm just saying if I donate money to something, and don't see some changes in YEARS... Something is wrong.

I've always tried my best to be a good member, and honestly if me voicing my opinion in an frustrated, yes, but honest way is offensive, I am sorry.

But Zilvia is my favorite place to go when I get home. :)

I love you guys.

[ThatGuy]

February 22nd
Yes, it got worse.

We are ordering a new server tomorrow! Sorry for the delay all.
February 24th
FYI, server ordered. Ship date is a month out :(
February 26th
Is it faster, at least a little? Did some magic, will speed up way more once new server arrives.
March 1st
Server shipped!
March 3rd
New server gets here Wednesday! Onst Onst Onst.



Oh yes, silly us. I can see now how you would think that NOTHING was being done and we were just blowing "a typical PR speech" in your direction.

A month? Not quite. Today is only the 10th, and you didn't start this thread until yesterday.

Your "not so kind words" weren't needed as all the responses given were in reaction to other Threads where people were expressing concern, instead of jumping on some kind of soap box to denounce Premium Memberships.

You wanted a reaction? You got it.

I could care less if you become a Premie again at this point. There are MUCH better ways to find out information or "have an impact" than going off on a tangent on the owner of this site. Especially when he is being very courteous in each of his responses and making an effort to correct the problem. I didn't expect this type of behavior from you Scott, but then again, I don't really know you. You were just another Blue Name to me. Now you're just another name.

[!Zar!]

iT0NY4ED1U0

[Antihero983]

actually West started a thread back on 1/26/10 saying he was looking into the problem as well.

just sayin.

ah well, we all love each other again, let's go get (insert appropriate food here).

[SoSideways]

I thought it was first a group hug, then everyone holds hands and sing Kumbya, then we go out to get (insert appropriate food)?

[FaLKoN240]

actually West started a thread back on 1/26/10 saying he was looking into the problem as well.

just sayin.

ah well, we all love each other again, let's go get (insert appropriate food here).

This is probably what I was referring to.