Growing low-oxygen zones in oceans worry scientists

[wangan_cruiser]

Growing low-oxygen zones in oceans worry scientists - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20100307/sc_mcclatchy/3444187)




this is something that we cant ignore.


discuss

[az_240]

There are so many different issues going on...Earth is fucked... the people who have the capability to do something about it do not care. There is no money in cleaning up trash or reducing pollutants. We are selfishly destroying the only planet that we know of that can sustain life.

The only way the human race can get out of this is to clean up the pollutants that are out there and make more biodegradable trash, create an energy source using natural resources (windmills, solar energy, etc.)

That would take a worldwide effort which just will not happen. People just do not care enough because it does not effect them for the time being.

[BOROSUN]

i found old article 2002 of dead zones on oregon coast. its good to let people know, i guess. or scare them.

[wangan_cruiser]

yep it is. but most people dont believe about global warming they all think its a scam

people are blind, we need an eye opener event for ignorant people.

[JeremyR]

global warming is a scam. and this thread belongs in the loud noises section!

[Unknown007]

Making/building Hybrids is the number polluting the air.I hear cow poo cause Global warming.To be honest we can't trick mother nature and global warming will happen regardless.Maybe the world is changing for a reason in order to open peoples eyes.I been having mine open and realize how almost everyone is in a cage and won't realize anything.

[Unknown007]

global warming is a scam. and this thread belongs in the loud noises section!

Not just a scam but part of mother nature so the Government is using it to make money.That's what I think.

[az_240]

It's not just global warming.... how about the amount of toxins that are being circulated around the Earth. It's going to continue to build until everything is polluted.

Why do you think birth defects, cancer and autism are at an all time high? People are taking in more toxins.

[Unknown007]

Check this out believe it or not.

If your born with cancer it's understandable but people who some how pop up with cancer is kinda of a mind playing scam.In most cases if you go to the doctors and they say you got cancer first thing you do is keep it in your cautious and build it up yourself.There is a story of a old man, if I'm correct, who was told he had cancer and he lived his life like any other day and ignored what they told him.He went back and he had no cancer.Crazy if you ask me.

I agree with the toxins but doubt that's cause birth defects, might be foods that are getting toxins while production.Honestly we'll never know unless we all set our minds to finding out.This world will live longer than what people say weather we're on it or not.

[az_240]

IIRC the average person will have had a couple tumors in their life. Most are too small to even notice and the body takes care of it. Some grow and become serious problems.

I've had skin cancer twice now.

[Unknown007]

I'm sorry to hear that.I just think if your healthy be proud if you go to the doctors and hear you got cancer, be strong and live life as if it was another die instead of going into depression.I still believe if someone tells you something you can build it up inside, meaning you hear that you got cancer, send it to the brain, you start to worry, your guards go down, cancer begins to form, and then you go back and you actually have it.We all got different opinions but let's keep it about the topic unless you wanna make a new thread about our conversation.

read this.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20100308/sc_mcclatchy/3445973

[SR240DET]

In the Gulf of Mexico we have a dead zone, but we are well aware of what the cause is. Hypoxia in the Northern Gulf of Mexico (http://www.gulfhypoxia.net/Overview/)

The case in Oregon: Hypoxia in 2009 about average, researchers say | News and Communication Services | Oregon State University (http://oregonstate.edu/ua/ncs/archives/2009/oct/oregon-had-hypoxia-again-2009-winds-died-down-so-did-low-oxygen)

This seasonal upwelling is normal, scientists say, yet hypoxia hadn’t been observed in near-shore waters prior to 2002. What changed, Barth said, was the pattern of Northwest winds and decreasing oxygen levels in the deep, offshore waters that are upwelled toward the coast.

[yokotas13]

yep it is. but most people dont believe about global warming they all think its a scam

people are blind, we need an eye opener event for ignorant people.
fuck global warming
its snowing in tokyo....in march...for the first time in 4 years. shits a scam

[Otto347]

Shit it snowed in florida this year, a few times! Last time it did that was in the late 70s

[20 til 3]

its called climate change, nothing to worry about imo.. its been happening for millions of years, but now we can track more shit so we think its all new

i'm sure there have been low oxy zones sence the beginning of time, now we have a way of reading them so... now we can just use that to scare a nation into believing global warming is true again

[HyperTek]

they could start by reducing the number of cars produced, we already got a shitton of old cars still on the road... i.e. should have never bailed out the automakers.. instead, they will stricken california emissions and then all states will follow lol

[wangan_cruiser]

global warming is a scam. and this thread belongs in the loud noises section!

the government uses so they can make money, just think about your future family what kind of earth will they live in

fuck global warming
its snowing in tokyo....in march...for the first time in 4 years. shits a scam

climate changes man, its natural. even here in the bay it used to be warm and now the wearther is fucked up that even weather forecast can say its gonna rain but its not.

its called climate change, nothing to worry about imo.. its been happening for millions of years, but now we can track more shit so we think its all new

i'm sure there have been low oxy zones sence the beginning of time, now we have a way of reading them so... now we can just use that to scare a nation into believing global warming is true again

DING DING DING DING!!! you got it.

the reason why people dont realize the earth is warming is because most people get used to a short term climate change. like here in the bay when it gets hot it is really hot, your body adjusts for the warm temperature but then out of no where the temp raises few degrees and you will feel chilly.


thats how i see it now.

like the other dude said its happening and thats how earth it is, if you back track through your science class when you were in high school this chapter "history of earth" you should be able to understand how climate changes.

its like a cycle on earth

earthquake>volcano erupts>cloud formation that traps gas inside and cause greenhouse effect.

here's a quick description of greenhouse effect


The greenhouse effect is caused by an atmosphere (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere) containing gases that absorb and emit infrared radiation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrared). Greenhouse gases trap heat within the surface-troposphere system, causing heating at the surface of the planet or moon.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_effect#cite_note-ipccar4syr-0)[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_effect#cite_note-ipcc-AR4WG1-1) This mechanism is fundamentally different from that of an actual greenhouse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_greenhouse_%28technical%29), which works by isolating warm air inside the structure so that heat is not lost by convection (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convection). The greenhouse effect was discovered by Joseph Fourier (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Fourier) in 1824, first reliably experimented on by John Tyndall (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Tyndall) in 1858, and first reported quantitatively by Svante Arrhenius (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svante_Arrhenius) in 1896.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_effect#cite_note-anrev-2)
The black body (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_body) temperature of the Earth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth) is 5.5 °C (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celsius).[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_effect#cite_note-3)[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_effect#cite_note-4) Since the Earth's surface reflects about 28% of incoming sunlight[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_effect#cite_note-harvard-5), in the absence of the greenhouse effect the planet's mean temperature would be far lower - about -18 or -19 °C [7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_effect#cite_note-6)[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_effect#cite_note-IPCC4_ch01-7) instead of the much higher current mean temperature, about 14 °C.[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_effect#cite_note-8)
Global warming (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming), a recent warming of the Earth's surface and lower atmosphere,[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_effect#cite_note-9) is believed to be the result of an "enhanced greenhouse effect" mostly due to human-produced increases in atmospheric greenhouse gases (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gas).[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_effect#cite_note-10) This human induced part is referred to as anthropogenic global warming (AGW).

[ZilviaKid]

people are too worried.

the earth is magic, itll figure shit out.

too hot? more algae forms and absorbs the co2. too cold? volcanoes erupt and spread debris for the sun to warm.

blamo!

[exitspeed]

In some spots off Washington state and Oregon , the almost complete absence of oxygen has left piles of Dungeness crab carcasses littering the ocean floor, killed off 25-year-old sea stars, crippled colonies of sea anemones and produced mats of potentially noxious bacteria that thrive in such conditions.

NOOOO! I love dungeness crab!

Something needs to be done about this now.

[JeremyR]

[quote=wangan_cruiser;3331995]the government uses so they can make money, just think about your future family what kind of earth will they live in

i'm not having kids. so i don't give a shit. global warming is a hoax. do some more research on both ends of the arguement and you will see.

[Unknown007]

After the Chile earthquake people were saying day light will be shorter by 1.2? milliseconds.Funny thing is they made it sound like we're dying earlier then just simply saying day light.Atleast most of us got our eyes open here cause the earth has been here longer then us so everything the government says is false and is only using it to get money because we can read it and detect it.

Before we all know it aliens will be out next door neighbors.:D

[aznpoopy]

this has happened before. it's how oil deposits form.

Anoxic event - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anoxic_event)

in a few bazillion years all that dead organic matter will be oil deposits for subsequent civilizations to exploit.

[ADiamond240sx]

Its funny how most people get this whole thing wrong. People say "Its snowing here, therefore global warming is a scam". Or they say, "The earth is getting warmer? Oh, more algae to produce O2". Or something else that is either under informed or misinformed. Here's the truth of the matter.

1) Its not global climate change, or global warming -- its global mood swings. Which means hotter in the summer and colder in the winter EVERYWHERE.

2) The caps are melting. As they melt two things happen. a) The north reflects less light due to less white on the ground and thus the process is sped up. b) The ocean's salinity is diluted thus slowing down the gulf jet stream as it cannot carry as much heat. These two things contribute to condition 1.

3) Get ready for really cold winters and really hot summers ... Think this winter was bad? There is already talks of a second dust bowel this summer due to the dryness of the winter we have seen. Little known fact about snow .. the dryer it is the more easily snow forms. Where all have we seen snow levels this year that we haven't seen in either a long time or seen it at all?

1) Korea - more snow in 24 hours time then they had seen in 30 years -- 2 feet in just under 8 hours at one point

2) DC - more snow than ever recorded in American History

3) Dallas Texas - 4 feet of snow --- its Texas ... WTF?!?!

4) Houston -- two snow storms in one year ?? Really ? On the gulf?

5) New York -- I'm not even going to bother talking about the snow storms they've had this year

6) France - A fuckin blizardcane ... yes .. a hurricane that was freezing hit them and killed a bunch of people about a week or so ago. So rare people don't even know what to call it.

Bottom line is we are screwed.

[bl3ujay07]

if we truly want to help, junk all those oil burning, gas guzzling ka's, sr20's, rb's, jz's, v8's yada yada yada swaps that everyone has or is doing. That would help A LOT less smog in the world.

We all don't want to ignore it, yet we all are contributing towards it. If you really cared, sell your gas guzzling, polluting vehicles and buy hybrids or less polluting cars.

[ADiamond240sx]

if we truly want to help, junk all those oil burning, gas guzzling ka's, sr20's, rb's, jz's, v8's yada yada yada swaps that everyone has or is doing. That would help A LOT less smog in the world.

We all don't want to ignore it, yet we all are contributing towards it. If you really cared, sell your gas guzzling, polluting vehicles and buy hybrids or less polluting cars.

Speak for yourself ... My 240 runs cleaner than when it was produced and gets better gas mileage than when it was produced.

[bl3ujay07]

its cleaner when it was produced and gets better gas mileage than when it was produced, but still not enough. There are variety of other cars that burns a lot cleaner than a clean burning 240. Also, cars that are more efficient.

My point is, there are a whole bunch of other cars that are much more efficient and cleaner than our cars, but we choose to buy the ones we do instead.

Imagine if the whole zilvia community bought alternative, cleaner, more efficient cars. A little goes a long way.

[yokotas13]

as soon as they make a reasonably affordable sport car that is clean running with an aftermarket support, im in.
until them, ill be damned if you can catch me in a prius

[bl3ujay07]

^^^Well, my point exactly. We can be driving clean cars, but we just choose not to. If we choose not to, then why do we care so much about? We are the ones contributing to the cause. If we truly DO care and trule DO want to help, then we know where to start.

[Antihero983]

hybrids put out the same amount of c02 as a fucking lexus V8.

and there's more hazardous shit when hybrids get junked because of the huge ass batteries.

hybrids are a fucking joke, give me an old base model 5 speed corolla and ill get 40mpg no prob.

also, S13 fastbacks have a lower drag coefficient than most hybrids.

and finally, douchebags drive hybrids. you dont want to pollute the world with more SMUG do you?

[secondtonone317]

Its OK man, we will all die and the good people will go to paradise while bad ones go to hell........life is only a test, no need to fear death.

[bl3ujay07]

hybrids put out the same amount of c02 as a fucking lexus V8.

and there's more hazardous shit when hybrids get junked because of the huge ass batteries.

hybrids are a fucking joke, give me an old base model 5 speed corolla and ill get 40mpg no prob.

also, S13 fastbacks have a lower drag coefficient than most hybrids.

and finally, douchebags drive hybrids. you dont want to pollute the world with more SMUG do you?

Well, like i said, you know what to buy so when you really want to help, go buy your 5 speed base model corolla. Plus, i call bs on same amount of co2 as a v8 unless you got supporting evidence. Even if it does, the rate you of co2 from a surpasses the hybrid by far.

And WTF does drag coeffident has to do with this? Oh wow, drag coefficient makes so much hell of a difference that its gonna pollute the damn earth than a superb low drag coefficient than a lambro, viper, ferrari, corvette, and of course the "s13 fastback". Big deal.

[bl3ujay07]

Its OK man, we will all die and the good people will go to paradise while bad ones go to hell........life is only a test, no need to fear death.

Yeah, and leave the future do rot in a dump we created? When i have kids, i want them to live a long happy life and not have to deal with smog and nasty crap we leave behind.

[wangan_cruiser]

NOOOO! I love dungeness crab!

Something needs to be done about this now.



i love crabs. the edible ones of course


mmmmmm

[wangan_cruiser]

[quote=wangan_cruiser;3331995]the government uses so they can make money, just think about your future family what kind of earth will they live in

i'm not having kids. so i don't give a shit. global warming is a hoax. do some more research on both ends of the arguement and you will see.


lol you will die lonely jeremy, dunt need to do research its common sense it doesnt take that much to observe whats going on around us.

[kingkilburn]

And WTF does drag coeffident has to do with this? Oh wow, drag coefficient makes so much hell of a difference that its gonna pollute the damn earth than a superb low drag coefficient than a lambro, viper, ferrari, corvette, and of course the "s13 fastback". Big deal.


Drag coefficient is everything when it comes to efficient cars. You can make what ever clean burning or electric engine you want but if you put it in a box it is going to have to work harder at speed(than say the same engine in a teardrop). How hard an engine is worked has a lot to do with emissions and mpg. Look at Corvettes cruising on the freeway.

The best example is a Prius going 80 on the freeway. They are so terrible when it comes to power to weight as well as drag that you get better mpg in a 3 series BMW.

Really if you don't know what you are talking about you should shut up. Your next step is to either stay shutting up or educate yourself on the subject before you open your mouth.



And for the record I hate combustion electric hybrids. I also hate plug in the wall electric cars. You internal combustion engine is much cleaner and more efficient than a coal burning power plant, so why get your power there?

[bl3ujay07]

^^^Drag coefficient enough to deteriorate the purpose of the car? I dont think so. Why the hell do you think they have engineers and not people out the street to build them they way they are. They have such things called the wind tunnels. Sure the coefficient will be larger, and it will play a role, but the prius is not a damn block. Them engineers are not that dumb.

Why the hell do you think they are hybrids. Even if it doesnt get better gas milage than a bmw doing 80 (how fucken often do you drive 80 on the freeway with a prius or hybrids anyways), it doesnt always run on its gasoline engine, yielding more miles not necessarily per gallon, but more miles on a tank of gas if you wanna put it.

And if you want to talk about this shit, we can go all day. Aerospace Engineer from Florida tech son so suck on these.

[juve_240sx]

Its OK man, we will all die and the good people will go to paradise while bad ones go to hell........life is only a test, no need to fear death.

++++++2 with him.. GOD is the only way

[dahveed]

this has happened before. it's how oil deposits form.

Anoxic event - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anoxic_event)

in a few bazillion years all that dead organic matter will be oil deposits for subsequent civilizations to exploit.
ahhh. makes sense

[Unknown007]

++++++2 with him.. GOD is the only way

GOD is the universe and we're all stars.We came from a planet that exploded.Crazy stuff though Life is just a waiting room.

[kingkilburn]

Why the hell do you think they are hybrids. Even if it doesnt get better gas milage than a bmw doing 80 (how fucken often do you drive 80 on the freeway with a prius or hybrids anyways), it doesnt always run on its gasoline engine, yielding more miles not necessarily per gallon, but more miles on a tank of gas if you wanna put it.



I constantly see hybrids doing 80 or more on the freeway. Just because you drive a hybrid doesn't mean you change your driving habits.

The flow of traffic around here is generally 85-90 mph. If the car isn't efficient at those speeds what is the point and how is it better for the environment than a 911 or 3 series that have better exhaust than the air in the LA basin(and the Prius)?

Also at those speeds it does run on it's gas engine and miles per gallon versus per tank is just rhetoric.

[kingkilburn]

I'm not shocked by the fact that the oceans have less o2 in them but it is shocking that such a large area would have little to none in it.

I find this to be much more worrisome that the sea levels rising a few feet.

[bl3ujay07]

You are talking about how people drive THERE. How big is "THERE" exactly? Fresno??? GTFO!!! You think all prius/hybrids drive on the freeway all the time! You must be on crack. 85-90 mph??? I drive often from norcal to socal on the 5 and 99 and from what i see, traffic does not flow that fast, not 85-90. Its more like 70-80.

Let me say this, if you were to daily a m3 and a hybrid (doesnt even have to be a prius), truthfully, which car would yield more miles on the same amount of gas?

[kingkilburn]

And where in Norcal do YOU live douche?

Fresno is the 5th largest city in the state, which makes it one of the larger cities in the country. The traffic flow outside of big rigs passing into the fast lane is about 85.

[bl3ujay07]

stockton/lodi area, south of sac.

And you still did not answer my question.

[wangan_cruiser]

Its OK man, we will all die and the good people will go to paradise while bad ones go to hell........life is only a test, no need to fear death.

GOD is the universe and we're all stars.We came from a planet that exploded.Crazy stuff though Life is just a waiting room.



GTFO of my thread if you got anything to say that make sense.

[no slide]

its cleaner when it was produced and gets better gas mileage than when it was produced, but still not enough. There are variety of other cars that burns a lot cleaner than a clean burning 240. Also, cars that are more efficient.

My point is, there are a whole bunch of other cars that are much more efficient and cleaner than our cars, but we choose to buy the ones we do instead.

Imagine if the whole zilvia community bought alternative, cleaner, more efficient cars. A little goes a long way.

I just found this funny. The guy who youre aiming this at says his car runs better, cleaner more efficient whatever but you say its not enough...

ive been watching this thread/reading the thread and this guy has no freaking clue what he is talking about.
1. hybrids are not the earths savior. at 80 mph a hybrid is running on the gasoline. IF needed (i.e steep upgrade, overtaking/passing etc) the electric motor will kick in to assist. where the hybrid benefits MOST is in city driving/bumper-bumper traffic, using the electric motor from a stop and the gas engine shuts off completely until it gets to speed.
2. read this. Thinking of Buying a Hybrid? Do the Math! (http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2005/hybrids_math.html)
your beloved prius vs a corolla xrs over 120,000 miles is only $68 cheaper to own. and its not even the top of the line prius BUT it is the top of the line corolla. and with the corolla, you dont have to worry about disposing of those damned batteries. I can atest to this first hand, I used to drive an 06 civic. 18k brand new. for the civic hybrid was 25. mine got 40mpg CONSISTANTLY and the hybrid was only stated at 45mpg. for the 7k price diff the regular civic is a better buy.
3. by the way that you talk, i highly doubt you are an aerospace engineer. im no genius by any means, but at least i can complete sentences.

-have a nice day

[kingkilburn]

stockton/lodi area, south of sac.

And you still did not answer my question.

Fresno is twice the size of Stockton.

The way I drive they'd be about the same but the M3 would run cleaner. If I drove very carefully the Prius would have better mpg but the emissions would be the same. The big but is that I don't and wont drive like that so why buy a more expensive car than I want that has about the same mpg and looks, feels, and sounds like ass, not to mention how bad its production is for the environment.

If it really came down to it I'd be driving a diesel 3 series. Good emissions, good power, and a nice car.

[no slide]

You are talking about how people drive THERE. How big is "THERE" exactly? Fresno??? GTFO!!! You think all prius/hybrids drive on the freeway all the time! You must be on crack. 85-90 mph??? I drive often from norcal to socal on the 5 and 99 and from what i see, traffic does not flow that fast, not 85-90. Its more like 70-80.

Let me say this, if you were to daily a m3 and a hybrid (doesnt even have to be a prius), truthfully, which car would yield more miles on the same amount of gas?

and this is a dumb question. why dont you compare apples to apples. if your gonna dump 70k on an m3 i HIGHLY doubt you care about fuel consumption.

bottom line is yes there are going to be hybrids, but since not EVERYONE wants to own one, the manufacturers are going to make something for everyone. from sports cars that use up a lot of gas, to gas guzzling suvs and even gas saving hybrids. get over it

[bl3ujay07]

Fresno is twice the size of Stockton.

The way I drive they'd be about the same but the M3 would run cleaner. If I drove very carefully the Prius would have better mpg but the emissions would be the same. The big but is that I don't and wont drive like that so why buy a more expensive car than I want that has about the same mpg and looks, feels, and sounds like ass, not to mention how bad its production is for the environment.

If it really came down to it I'd be driving a diesel 3 series. Good emissions, good power, and a nice car.

First off, emission would not be the same in the sense that hybrids does not constantly use its gasoline powered engine, which will ultimately pollute less and not the same emissions. Secondly, it does not have the same mpg unless it constantly runs on its gas powered engine. Third, not everyone drives like you. Lastly, if its production was bad for the environment, then they wouldnt make such things. They are engineers and if it was bad for the environment, then they wouldnt be built.

Just because you want to prove and say how much you like driving driving sports cars rather than grandma cars dont prove anything. Shit, i would much rather drive a damn bmw than a prius any day but my point is that we choose not to. We have option A that is more efficient and such but we choose option B because it suits our preferences. We all get so upset about global warming and such yet we choose not to take the alternative route to better it but choose what we want and like.

Thats all im trying to say.

[bl3ujay07]

and this is a dumb question. why dont you compare apples to apples. if your gonna dump 70k on an m3 i HIGHLY doubt you care about fuel consumption.

bottom line is yes there are going to be hybrids, but since not EVERYONE wants to own one, the manufacturers are going to make something for everyone. from sports cars that use up a lot of gas, to gas guzzling suvs and even gas saving hybrids. get over it

well, if you have been reading the conversations, that is exactly my point. If you are going to talk shit, know wtf the conversation is about before you open your mouth.

[kingkilburn]

If these engineers are so good then they will give us what is good for the environment in a form that we want. I'm waiting for the inertial storage hybrid a la F1.

Engineers have nothing to do with the environmental impact of the production. The batteries themselves are not a problem, it is how Toyota chooses to manufacture them. For the impact of just the batteries you'd be better of driving a Hummer(H1).

[bl3ujay07]

If these engineers are so good then they will give us what is good for the environment in a form that we want. I'm waiting for the inertial storage hybrid a la F1.

Engineers have nothing to do with the environmental impact of the production. The batteries themselves are not a problem, it is how Toyota chooses to manufacture them. For the impact of just the batteries you'd be better of driving a Hummer(H1).

Money, thats why. Yeah go ahead and bash toyota, it's only the new thing. Look around, the prius is not the only hybrid car. We choose prius as an example, but the prius is not the only hybrid car.

[BOROSUN]

I just found this funny. The guy who youre aiming this at says his car runs better, cleaner more efficient whatever but you say its not enough...

ive been watching this thread/reading the thread and this guy has no freaking clue what he is talking about.
1. hybrids are not the earths savior. at 80 mph a hybrid is running on the gasoline. IF needed (i.e steep upgrade, overtaking/passing etc) the electric motor will kick in to assist. where the hybrid benefits MOST is in city driving/bumper-bumper traffic, using the electric motor from a stop and the gas engine shuts off completely until it gets to speed.
2. read this. Thinking of Buying a Hybrid? Do the Math! (http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2005/hybrids_math.html)
your beloved prius vs a corolla xrs over 120,000 miles is only $68 cheaper to own. and its not even the top of the line prius BUT it is the top of the line corolla. and with the corolla, you dont have to worry about disposing of those damned batteries. I can atest to this first hand, I used to drive an 06 civic. 18k brand new. for the civic hybrid was 25. mine got 40mpg CONSISTANTLY and the hybrid was only stated at 45mpg. for the 7k price diff the regular civic is a better buy.
3. by the way that you talk, i highly doubt you are an aerospace engineer. im no genius by any means, but at least i can complete sentences.

-have a nice day

40mpg on the city, traffic, stop and go? no way. where does a car pollute the most? fact is your car is still polluting and while the hybrid is minimizing that.

[bl3ujay07]

I just found this funny. The guy who youre aiming this at says his car runs better, cleaner more efficient whatever but you say its not enough...

ive been watching this thread/reading the thread and this guy has no freaking clue what he is talking about.
1. hybrids are not the earths savior. at 80 mph a hybrid is running on the gasoline. IF needed (i.e steep upgrade, overtaking/passing etc) the electric motor will kick in to assist. where the hybrid benefits MOST is in city driving/bumper-bumper traffic, using the electric motor from a stop and the gas engine shuts off completely until it gets to speed.
2. read this. Thinking of Buying a Hybrid? Do the Math! (http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2005/hybrids_math.html)
your beloved prius vs a corolla xrs over 120,000 miles is only $68 cheaper to own. and its not even the top of the line prius BUT it is the top of the line corolla. and with the corolla, you dont have to worry about disposing of those damned batteries. I can atest to this first hand, I used to drive an 06 civic. 18k brand new. for the civic hybrid was 25. mine got 40mpg CONSISTANTLY and the hybrid was only stated at 45mpg. for the 7k price diff the regular civic is a better buy.
3. by the way that you talk, i highly doubt you are an aerospace engineer. im no genius by any means, but at least i can complete sentences.

-have a nice day

Its a damn forum you moron. It does not have to be formal. People understand what i am saying and thats that. I can care less if you believe im an aerospace engineer or not.

Point is, that extra 5 mpg goes a long LONG way. Plus, we are not talking about the cost here, its about going "green".

[murda-c]

the prius has a low drag coefficient and low frontal area, as well as low rolling resistance tires which aren't very wide.

You will get much better mileage in a prius at 80mph than a car like a vette or a porsche that was designed to have more downforce and grip at that speed.

unless i'm wrong and porsches can get 45mpg at 80mph.

[kingkilburn]

I'm not bashing Toyota. This environmental impact of their battery production has been known for years. Same holds for all batteries of this type.

In the end I am just not a fan of gas electric hybrids and plug in the wall electric cars. They claim to be so "Green" when it's just a farce. I the impact on the environment is negligible at best and harmful at worst.

What is needed is a fully independent power source and in my mind hybrid technology is not a stepping stone to this goal it is and end in it's own right.

I'm done debating this(not conceding defeat) it has nothing to do with the topic of the thread.

Sorry for the thread jack.

[BOROSUN]

you should hate most city buses also because they use diesel hybrid.

and TRAINS!!!

[kingkilburn]

They aren't hybrids at all. They use a diesel generator to power electric motors. The technology and implementation of said technology is very different.

Most city buses are natural gas powered. Very efficient and clean.

[Dirty Habit]

Last time I had a cat converter on my car was 1998. lol.

Fuck yall, and your children.

[fishhouse]

LOL msglength

[ADiamond240sx]

Its a damn forum you moron. It does not have to be formal. People understand what i am saying and thats that. I can care less if you believe im an aerospace engineer or not.

Point is, that extra 5 mpg goes a long LONG way. Plus, we are not talking about the cost here, its about going "green".

I'm so glad my car gets 5 mpg more than when it was manufactured and puts out less than 1/4 the limit on NOX and CO2 on the sniffer when I go in for inspections. It makes me giddy that a 15 year old sports car that out accelerates and out handles a prius gets almost as good a gas mileage as many of the hybribs out there when I'm on the highway and its paid for, pretty, and fun to drive. Likewise, the car does not produce 'smug'.

:p

[zenki03]

global warming is a scam...even the founder of the weather channel says so. he makes some very good points
YouTube - John Coleman Debunks the Myth of Global Warming (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8FhmuWWcGw)

[ADiamond240sx]

global warming is a scam...even the founder of the weather channel says so. he makes some very good points
YouTube - John Coleman Debunks the Myth of Global Warming (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8FhmuWWcGw)


Yeah ... cause science is wrong 99% of the time. I guess all those studies that show its a problem are just fabrications? Stop drinking republican cool-aid buddy.

[BOROSUN]

They aren't hybrids at all. They use a diesel generator to power electric motors. The technology and implementation of said technology is very different.

Most city buses are natural gas powered. Very efficient and clean.

muni here in sf are changing to hybrids aka lith batteries. they are the same concept as cars.
natural gas is not cheap("-->.<--")

Hybrid Buses (http://www.sfmta.com/cms/mfleet/hybrids.htm)
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/22/automobiles/autospecial2/22BUS.html

you can keep denying it... FACT IS HYBRID TECHNOLOGY IS EVERYWHERE NOW!

[Unknown007]

This thread sucks and talks nothing about what it started as.FAIL!!!

[BOROSUN]

yeah i know.

[Unknown007]

Thank you finally wagan_whatever is trying to tell me to get off saying I'm going off topic.Right on too bad it's about hybrids now.

[azndummie]

the design of the hybrids is based off some patented shape. This gives them the most interior space with the lowest amount of drag.

[kingkilburn]

I meant trains aren't hybrid.

[BOROSUN]

lets see...wiki hybrid trains.Hybrid train - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_train)

Surplus energy from the power source, or energy derived from regenerative braking, charges the storage system. During acceleration, stored energy is directed to the transmission system, boosting that available from the main power source. In existing designs, the storage system can be electric traction batteries, or a flywheel. The energy source is diesel, liquified petroleum gas, or hydrogen (for fuel cells) and transmission is direct mechanical, electric or hydrostatic.

means that a non-fully electric train can use dynamic braking, and even shut down the main power source whilst idling or stationary. Reducing energy consumption provides environmental benefits and economic savings.[1] A smaller scale version of the concept is found in hybrid automobiles, such as the Toyota Prius.

batteries included.

and this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbo-electric

[kingkilburn]

I do like that type of hybrid. It(the train) isn't driven by the diesel engine directly and then augmented by electric motors. The motors are driven by the engine, all it's doing is providing electricity.

The regenerative breaking and fly wheel storage are just cool.