Medical Marijuana

[negular]

Just asking for your thoughts on the topic. See links below.

http://www.lp.org/lpnews/0210/barr.html
I hate Barr just by the way he looks.

www.randforcongress.com/ (http://www.randforcongress.com)

[sykikchimp]

I think Marijuanna in general should be legalized.. I say the govt. should legalize it, and tax it like cigarettes. I've read that MJ is the 3 or 4th largest cash crop in the coutry as it is now. Way to many people end up in jail for posession of a drug that is really harmless to anyone but themselves. Personally, I consider someone whos drunk way more dangerous than someone who's high.

[RBBaby]

did you know that the netherlands have the lowest rates in the civilized world for rape and drug overdoses? they have the overall lowest crime rates.

[Dousan_PG]

high people are a-ok
they get the munchies, they buy food. food is taxed (in most states) so they are also paying some taxes while they get their twinkies and taco bell runs

people on MJ are relaxed, and laid back. sometimes frantic yes, but i dont see as a danger, except behind the wheel of a car of course..

alcholics...far more dangerous, imho

i think MJ is not legal because the gov't cant control it. anyone can grow it. you'd have to be stupid to try and brew your own beer (if you dont have the proper equipment)

anyways...
this nation was raisde/founded and became independent because of hemp.

[Jim96SC2]

Screw that.

If they legalized it I reserve the right to shoot on site.

[negular]

Originally posted by Jim96SC2
Screw that.

If they legalized it I reserve the right to shoot on site.

and what makes you say that?

[sykikchimp]

the govt could control it.. You could grow tobacco at home if you wanted. It's just much simpler to go buy it at the store.

Tobacco Companies are the ones who don't want it legalized. They lobby against it's legalization b/c if it was legalized then they would loose money to MJ growers, or they would have to invest in growing MJ for themselves to sell. Thats a HUGE out of pocket investment for them that they would just rather not deal with. Besides, Why grow mj when tobacco is SO MUCH more addictive? Customer base that HAS to have your product. It doesn't make sense for them. So they pump millions of dollars into their lobbist groups to keep it from happening.

You know Nevada is trying to make it legal for people to pocess a small quantity (under 1 oz) of MJ for personal use.. Even their state police are in support of the bill.

[negular]

Originally posted by sykikchimp
You know Nevada is trying to make it legal for people to pocess a small quantity (under 1 oz) of MJ for personal use.. Even their state police are in support of the bill.

My friend got arrested for pocession of 1gram here in Texas.

[sykikchimp]

Originally posted by negular
My friend got arrested for pocession of 1gram here in Texas.

Texas is definately one of the more conservative states.. a place to be careful for sure.

[AKADriver]

Originally posted by Jim96SC2
Screw that.

If they legalized it I reserve the right to shoot on site.

I'm not surprised to hear that, because I used to say the same sorts of things.

I still hold the opinion that recreational drug use is a dispicable thing. I always have, and nothing will ever change my mind about that. But you really have to put these emotions aside and look at the issue logically if you want to make an informed opinion.

For one, the issue at hand is using the drug for medicinal purposes. Read up on the things it does besides get recreational users stoned - it's much more useful than many of the drugs currently on the market.

As for recreational use, well, I'm disgusted by it; but a lot of other things people do disgust me, too, so no loss/no gain there. As others have said, I'd rather deal with a pothead than a drunk. The one thing I worry about is the simple practicality of it. Witness the way Americans act when put in a situation where it's legal... Amsterdam "coffee shops" are full of American tourists looking for a fix. Does American society as a whole have the self-control to act responsibly when a taboo suddenly becomes okay?

[S13Grl]

I absolutely think it should be legalized for medicinal purposes. I also think that making it legal for recreational use and controlling it would result in chaos for the economy. Especially for the paper industry. Hemp makes great paper, and it's cheap as dirt. Wouldn't that work better then cutting trees down? Traditions aren't easily changed after hundreds of years. Plus, drug busts and arrests and charges on marijuana possession sure bring in a lot of money. They make you pay $400 to test the crap even if you tell them that it is pot. Let alone all the other processing crap.

It just won't ever happen. I hope it does for medicinal purposes, though. There's too many sick people who should be getting high.

[sykikchimp]

I've always read the exact opposite, that Drug busts, and all the work that goes into it, costs the Country Billions of dollars.. They have to pay for all the man hours for investigations, for all the men that participate in the bust, and then all the prison costs for putting them there.

If they did legalize it in anyway with federal law, it would have to be done in a multi-step process that allowed for medicianal use first, then possibly industrial use. The govt. could make tons of money of industrial use hemp.

I look at it this way. I know quite a few people that are recreational users. They are good people, who work hard everyday at their jobs, and MANY people rely on because they are responsible upstanding people. Why should they get thrown in jail for doing something that isn't as bad as many other things that ARE legal? It just doesn't make sense.

London is having a similar problem as the US. Probably a good bit more pronounced than here b/c of thier size, but still similar. A very large percentage of the youth in the UK smoke MJ for recreational use. Most of them very intelligent, promising people. They were arresting them left, and right. Hoping they would begin to "win the war on drugs".. They found it to be a fruitless fight. So now they are going the opposite direction. They are going with a "out of sight, out of mind" type policy. They aren't going to search people for it, but if they see you blatantly smoking they will still arrest you. Their crime has actually gone down since doing this. Not just drug pocession charges, but violent crimes as well. Last I heard they still needed to verify the correlation, but it appeared promising. We will see. I believe they have legislation currently going through the UK govt. to possibly legalize MJ kind of like how the netherlands does it.

[S13Grl]

The Prison Song. System of a Down. Download it.

What do you think happens to all the drugs that are collected during a drug bust?

[sykikchimp]

Originally posted by S13Grl
The Prison Song. System of a Down. Download it.

What do you think happens to all the drugs that are collected during a drug bust?

yes.. System is the SHIET!

hmm.. they sell them to 3rd world countries, that then proceed to smuggle them back into the coutry to sell on the black market!?

[S13Grl]

Or they get sold within the states. It's all part of a big master plan... they don't want me to take over the world.

[negular]

Originally posted by S13Grl
It's all part of a big master plan... they don't want me to take over the world.

Damn, its all starting to make sense now...

[AlligatorBling]

marijuana gives you the ability to be very creative, but robs you of the ability to profit from it... at one time i was a die hard stoner... should it be legalized? sure... but if that happens 80% of america wont leave there homes for atleast 3 months after so, and a lot of them will get really slopy as far as how they live... lol. pots cool though, man... driving a 240 on a deserted country road after a big fatty, good god, talk about the ultimate sensory experience... of course, ::cough cough:: i would know nothing about that, ive heard friends talk about it ya know... lol

[X-Iceman]

If they legalized it I reserve the right to shoot on site.
okay, shoot me on site. wtf. isnt it my right to allow myself to "harm" my own body. makes me sad that your so narrowminded and so violent to your fellow man. you are in my opinion is what with the human race.

would most of america start smoking more? well ya. just like in amsterdamn,drug use would go up. but in a few months it would go down.

that MJ is the 3 or 4th largest cash crop in the coutry as it is now
and the 3rd or 4th cash crop. TRY THE MAJOR cash crop. Recently a independent organization did a study where weed is the 1st cash crop, puttin maze (corn) to the 2nd place spot.
So legalize. yes. tax. go ahead. but no matter what people smoking weed will never go away. we all need our own releases.

Texas is definately one of the more conservative states.. a place to be careful for sure.
oh ya in texas they just passed a law that if your caught in texas with weed you are given a fine and have to do counsiling.


the drug war. anyone who wants to educate themselves go get the movie grass. its all about the war on drugs, and how much we spend on this war that we are losing. so educate yourself on your opinion (which all but one of you have done)and go rent or dled grass.

[Jim96SC2]

I HATE high people. ****ing annoying. Don't know what the **** they are doing. **** people, you should video tape yourselves while high and look from the outside. Welcome to the wonderful world of drugs use.

I also agreed with the medicinal use of MJ, but after I started work at a Dr.'s office and saw the incredible amount of people who are hooked on narcotic drugs, I am completely gonna disagree. It's end up like the idiots on Vicadan, Narco, and Soma. We DO NOT have a society set up for casual use of a drug. Look at bars, people go there and get sloshed off their gord. We, of course, think "hey funny **** man" but in reality the person just proved that most people don't know their limits. Don't start on the "I know my limits..." self-righteousness either. Close to 18,000 people per year are killed by drivers who had a "slight miscalculation" for their limits.

Until American society changes, definitly no on the Medical use. Besides there are much better drugs that don't destroy your lungs.

And for the people who use it for recreation, I'd suggest a serious look into why you have to use drugs to have a good time. Yeah I drink a bit, but I do it cause I like the tastes of beers and mixed drinks, and even some shots.

PS: I've lost at least a dozen friends cause I couldn't stand their demeanor after they got high.

[RBBaby]

pot rules. if you dont like it, you're gay.

[X-Iceman]

yo rddbaby. that aint cool to hate like that. i mean yes jim has different views then i do, but i dont tell him his beliefs are "gay". he has reasons for feeling the way he does. however, when you threaten (to jim) then that isnt cool. but ya, bro you need to reconsider your usage of the word "gay".

[russian]

Join UPS - United Pot Smokers. :bowdown:

fire it up hoe!:D :D

[negular]

Marijuana Studies (http://www.xs4all.nl/4david/marstudy.html)

[AlligatorBling]

Stoners are funny, they are more devoted to there plant than a Sunday morning evangelist is to God.

[negular]

Originally posted by AlligatorBling
Stoners are funny, they are more devoted to there plant than a Sunday morning evangelist is to God.

Except we dont go door to door wakeing up people early in the morning trying to get them to smoke... :D

[X-Iceman]

Except we dont go door to door wakeing up people early in the morning trying to get them to smoke...

True that. And then we dont look down on them because of their social practices. At least some of us. ;)

[Jim96SC2]

Half the people that smoke pot barely know what the active chemical in it does and where it sits. Most people think it's much better then smoking cigarettes when it's just as bad. And again, if you need THC to feel good you need help.

[AlligatorBling]

thankyou jim, i agree with you, and this is commin from a dude who swore he would never quit smokin tha budda.

[S13Grl]

Well, hello there.

Why are you all so ****y? Or some of you, I should say? I can't wait to see how many people who are "smoker-haters" will end up smoking the **** once it's legal. Pot is a great drug. It perfectly fits into the same category as alcohol and cigarettes. Probably less harmful then cigarettes in the long run. I don't see any hippies dying from lung cancer or using those throat-thingies to talk. Or losing their liver and whatnot. And I also don't believe that people "need" THC to feel good about themselves. It's just something fun to relax you when you need to be relaxed. I've yet to find someone who's truly addicted to pot. You guys need to chill out, man. Go smoke some reefer. :)

P.S. No, I don't smoke. And no, I've never done a hard drug in my life.

[AlligatorBling]

lol... it might not kill you, but it makes you stupid as shxt. i smoked the stuff recreationally for over a year once. here and there. by the end of that year, my quick wit and fast recall that i once had was shot. go hang out with some guys that have been smokin it since the 60s... i have friends that have been smokin it for over 30 years. if you met them, you would swear they are mildly retarded or something of that sort, im not joking....

[Jim96SC2]

How about NO S13Girl. I have had many chances to smoke, to do E and othe crap. I'm content hanging out with friends and enjoying a nice cold corona in the sun. Filling my lungs with noxious **** of any kind is out of the question, nevermind **** that changes my mood and mindset. Chemical brainwashing is not my idea of a good time. I suggest that you possibly chill out and not tell me to go smoke dope.

[sykikchimp]

lol.. I can't believe you can say i'll chill at the beach, and suck down a corona, but d*mn the MJ smokers! That stuff is EVIL, and the root of all that is evil! What a joke. Alcohol IS ADDICTIVE. There is a disease called ALCOHOLISM. People abuse alcohol more than ANY other legal substance. You think cause you can drink recreationally, that people can't smoke recreationally? only a small percentage of people who smoke, do it b/c they are trying to "drown their sorrows", etc. Most do it for the EXACT same reasons you sip your corona. Which btw DOES change your mood. (mood changes vs. substanse use is a WHOLE different conversation. :) ) You don't become stupid from smoking MJ. It has a temporary effective loss of short term memory. Alcohol does the same thing.

Jim, you have a seriously distorted view of WHY people smoke Marijuana.

The reason you see fewer people with problems from smoking mj, is because they aren't addicted to it, and don't require 20-60 joints a day to function like cigarettes. I would bet that even daily users only smoke 1-2 joints worth a day. Even if 1 joint = 7 cigarettes, your still coming out ahead, and without an addiction. I know this is just a rationalization. But it is a legitimate one considering our current society.

It's about moderation. Same as you drink in moderation. Why do you assume, just b/c something is illegal that everyone will and does abuse it? There are people that abuse EVERYTHING. I hate the way people act when they're drunk. Does that mean I have the right to say it should be illegal, and no one should use it? Yes. Do I have the right to deny someone of their ability to get drunk? NO. Will I think they are stupid? Of course. Does it really matter to that person what I think? Possibly. But it’s still their choice. This is a free country, where people should have the choice to do to themselves whatever they want. Including get drunk, or high.

If anybody has been "Brainwashed" it has been you, by the govt.’s anti-MJ campaigns. They beat into your head that MJ is evil, and will cause you to drop out school, or get pregnant, or kill people. You say our society isn't ready for it? I've got a news flash.. It's already a large part of our society. We already deal with it on a day-to-day basis. As a matter of fact, I would bet over 40% of the employees at my office smoke mj.

To anyone who feels the way Jim does, I would suggest you try it once. You won’t die, or get addicted, or lose your job, or kill anyone. You may never smoke it again. But at least you will have a less distorted view on the subject. Make up your OWN mind. If you have real honest reason to believe it is evil, good for you. I can respect anyone’s opinion, as long as it is his or her own. Also, please do not take offense to my suggesting this to you. It is not an attempt to corrupt you, or change your views. Only an attempt to broaden the pool of information that you have formed your opinion from. :bow:

[S13Grl]

Originally posted by Jim96SC2
How about NO S13Girl. I have had many chances to smoke, to do E and othe crap. I'm content hanging out with friends and enjoying a nice cold corona in the sun. Filling my lungs with noxious **** of any kind is out of the question, nevermind **** that changes my mood and mindset. Chemical brainwashing is not my idea of a good time. I suggest that you possibly chill out and not tell me to go smoke dope.



I couldn't say it any better, sykikchimp. Amen.

James, ease off my case, kiddo. I'm not the one freaking out here in case you didn't notice. The fact that you just turned 21 and discovered the joys of legal drinking is your problem alone. Quit acting like an opinoinated @sshole because you don't like what someone said. And yes, you do need to go get high. And this time, I'm being serious. But watch out! It's VERY addictive. :)

P.S. As far as I know, MJ isn't a chemically-derived plant.

[negular]

<---- happily stoned

http://www.johnnyreeferseed.com/

[AKADriver]

Regardless of the source, 'chemical brainwashing' is an apt description. His points are valid. His hostility might not be. I also agree that he's being a bit hypocritical about alcohol (but so am I in a way as I guzzle this soda). I don't need to put my hand on a hot stove to know it's gonna hurt me, though. But everyone's different. My reasons for avoiding drugs are entirely philosophical, not practical... in fact in some ways they're impractical. I'm wary of 100% legal prescription painkillers and I'm terrified of having to make that choice between my beliefs and my physical pain when put in that situation.

Jim, you might think about re-evaluating your position on medical use ESPECIALLY in light of what you've seen when people get hooked on legal painkillers. Used properly (i.e. not smoking oneself retarded) there's a good body of evidence that shows that someone's less likely to mess themselves up with marijuana than they would with currently available drugs for treating pain. It's hard to find unbiased studies, though - so much of what's out there is supported by the marijuana lobby, which irks me.

[sykikchimp]

Originally posted by AKADriver
It's hard to find unbiased studies, though - so much of what's out there is supported by the marijuana lobby, which irks me.

No doubt.. it's like getting info from Phillip Morris that Cigarettes don't cause cancer. Very annoying.

[sykikchimp]

lol.. this seems appropriately funny. :)

http://charles.sykikchimp.org/images/medmj.jpg

[SilviaSativa]

sykikchimp,

Well said man! I get hIGh on a daily basis, people around me smoke a cigarette, I just take a quick puff out the 1-hitter. Why smoke on something that will not do anything for me but making me crave another one later on.

I mean damn, if I am gonna fill my lungs with tar, I might as well be getting hIGh off of it. And atleast I can stop smoking for awhile, giving my lungs, liver, and kidneys a rest. To speed up the process, there are plenty of herbal healings such as Basil Pills, Fresh Ginger and Lemon Tea, Coltsfoot and Mullein, and Acupuncture available at any good herb or health food store.

Of course, I will still be vaporizing, or cooking with Cannibis while I quit smoking to get my desired effect :D

[X-Iceman]

Jim, you have a seriously distorted view of WHY people smoke Marijuana.

well i wasnt going to say it, but someone did. well done. bravo. excellent remark. jim, like i said before, educate yourself. you come telling a bunch of stoners why we smoke. well what if someone came and told you why you didnt choose to smoke. we could get into some deep **** couldnt we jim. find out what is really the reasons for your beliefs.

but like everyone here has said, its about moderation. and plus i dont have enough $$$ to drop on the sweet thing called mary jane to have a daily blunt or two. ;)

[X-Iceman]

http://www.rwd.ru/rwd_ssi/images/marijuana.jpg

What this man has to say to jim n every other hater. :p

and for some


:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: http://www.marijuana-seeds.biz/images/armageddon.jpg

the sweet buds of paradise

[Jim96SC2]

Your right, I am very against MJ. Because I have a handful of friends growing up. About half of us stayed straight and narrow, and are well on our way to graduating, etc. The other half started smoking pot. Funny how only ONE of them graduated college so far (6 years later). MJ leads to memory loss, lethargy, and promotes all the harmful things that cigarettes do.

Like I said about the medical use. i was for it, until I saw the addicts. But even if I didn't, there are lots of other things out there medically aside from THC that doesn't require you to inhale noxious vapors.

As for my occasional drink, I enjoy the taste, not the buzz. I seriously doubt anyone that smokes MJ says "I like the smooth flavor of bunt leaf". So I'm not hypocritical there. And yes, I know all about alchoholism. Actually most substance abuse. We have to in order to take the medical boards.

[X-Iceman]

oh wowwww. jim is becoming a doctor. note to self, jim should not be MY doctor. dont want someone who is so narrow minded takin care of my body. i guess you would rather want me to take harmful painkills rather then smoke a j. and these addicts. where are they. where is this documentation. i mean so far, everyone who for has showed evidence for their opinion. i mean maybe their addicts BECAUSE ITS HELPING THEM! and someone who is mentally addicted to mary jane (never meet a person like this before), shouldnt be compaired to a crack addict. and i actually like the taste of weed. every strand has a different taste. some are smooth and clean and others give a refreshing taste.

and ya, i will have to agree with the short term memory lose. i for one slowed down on smoking and my memory has improved quite a bit. so someone who smokes weed wont become retarted. (unless there one of those, been smokin for 20 years type of people) however, i will still enjoy a fatty if i'm passed one, just as i will never deny a corona (the cool taste of mexican ****).

oh ya, the whole graduating example. **** poor. it depends on the person. the top of my class all smoke weed. the top two are high all the time. they just so happen to really work their asses off to study.

^kind of like alcohal. some people can drink and be able to maintain a healthy life, while others begin to drink too much and their lives are destoried.

everything in moderation cannot kill anyone. its just those people who are so narrow minded and think they have the right to shoot someone. now who could have said this??? i wonder

[russian]

:bowdown: :bowdown:

this thread shows that majority of people on dis board either smoke or have no problem with smokin' weeeeed.

sykikchimp, you are my personal hero now.:bowdown:

oh well wehat the hell im high now. :bash:

[X-Iceman]

this thread shows that majority of people on dis board either smoke or have no problem with smokin' weeeeed.

just like a majority of people i know. even the people who dont smoke, believe we should have the right to do what we please. the tax act of 1937 was just a way for the man to impose his power on those he saw as a nusance. so down with the man!

"The first group of states to criminalize marijuana were the Rocky Mountain states - Texas, New Mexico, Colorado and Montana. The numbers of Mexican immigrants to that region increased dramatically during this time...The first laws passed in the US criminalizing marijuana were passed because of a hostility to the Mexicans, who happened to use marijuana."
-http://www.smokedot.org/comments/2001/7/2/35918/10894/0/post

[X-Iceman]

"One of the supporters for Texas' first marijuana law said exactly, on the Senate floor, 'All Mexicans are crazy, and this stuff [marijuana] is what makes them crazy.'"
-http://www.smokedot.org/comments/2001/7/2/35918/10894/0/post

relative of yours jim?

[Bill Roberts]

Here is my take.

I see nothing wrong with medicinal pot. I see nothing wrong with someone that takes a hit every once in a while. I use to smoke grass until about 1986 and I got hold of some "headacheweed" and then I looked at the situation and looked around me and said...you know, I never want this headache again. I just won't chance it. I also get random tested at my day job. It is also illegal.

1. I could lose my day job. I do work with a corporation that pays my major medical. What their rules states, goes.

2. I have too much responsability to get tied up in the court system. Can't go there, won't go there.

3. Since their are no controls on the plant, you never know what you are getting. (Could be headacheweed):bash: :bash: Those who have had it know the hell you pay for about 1 hour. Worse than a continuous ice cream headache.

And 4...It is expensive and you are providing funds toward an illegal activity...just a matter of time 'till it catches up to you. Cops have thosands of chances to catch you...you are only one chance from getting caught.

With that said, I could give a ratsass if someone wants to "turn on" anytime they want to as long as they are not doing it around me, in my car or on my property. When I did smoke, I loved what it did for my perception of music....music took on a whole new level. Colors were prettier, music sounded better (even with crappy speakers) and it was a very cool buzz to have. I am simply too old and too wise to use this substance anymore...for all of the above reasons.

And yes, I think it should be legalized for small quantity useage when properly prescribed. It does help certain folks.

[AlligatorBling]

to each his own... no one will ever understand another... ever. ever ever ever ever ever. anywho. im keepin my brain cells.

[sykikchimp]

Bill, I think most everyone who smokes recreationaly will come to that point where it's not worth the risk anymore, and they simply stop. Thats one of the benefits of MJ, you can stop if you choose too.

[negular]

3. Since their are no controls on the plant, you never know what you are getting. (Could be headacheweed) or you can grow it yourself so "you know what your getting" just like my cat does... ;)

[SilviaSativa]

I tried posting this pic earlier, but I was to hIGh to figure out how to :D

*Edit* Ok maybe I still am, I attached the file but it doesn't seem to be showing up :confused:

http://www.overgrow.com/edge/gallery/674239/PP0159.jpg

[Jim96SC2]

Originally posted by X-Iceman
"One of the supporters for Texas' first marijuana law said exactly, on the Senate floor, 'All Mexicans are crazy, and this stuff [marijuana] is what makes them crazy.'"
-http://www.smokedot.org/comments/2001/7/2/35918/10894/0/post

relative of yours jim?

Yes. I also hate "african americans" and "illegal mexican wetbacks"

Since when is my personal view on pot because of someone I've never heard of. I disagree with it because of my PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH IT. It's great some people graduate. It's great people can do hand-springs and dive 300ft down too. But none of that matters. I go by what I see. And what I see is that 80% of the people that use it aer what I deem "losers". Take that as you will.

[sykikchimp]

Something I think is funny, is that many MJ smokers smoke for the exact reason that Jim doesn't. Because it's deemed by society to be something "losers" do. Being anti-social is cool! In a way, that's what makes our country great. The ability to choose those things for yourself. It would just be alot nicer if you could choose without having to dodge the police. :coolugh:

As a personal insight, I've found that the "losers" are the ones you know about smoking weed. They are following that anti-social stereo-type of MJ smokers. What you don't see is the millions of working professionals, Mom's, Dad's, Executives, and Politicians that also smoke MJ in the privacy of their own homes only. I have been VERY surprised to find out many people I thought were absolutely squeky clean smoke.

[negular]

Originally posted by sykikchimp
As a personal insight, I've found that the "losers" are the ones you know about smoking weed. They are following that anti-social stereo-type of MJ smokers. What you don't see is the millions of working professionals, Mom's, Dad's, Executives, and Politicians that also smoke MJ in the privacy of their own homes only. I have been VERY surprised to find out many people I thought were absolutely squeky clean smoke.

yeah, not all stoners wear tie-dye shirts and eat doritos all day... oh wait... :rolleyes: :D