s13 cusco roll cage in s14

[bobalacs13]

so i was wondering will an s13 4 point cusco bolt in cage fit in an s14??
just wondering?

[driven_]

ask yourself "will a left handed glove fit my right hand?" then you have an answer.

my point: it might fit, but only with a little fixin'.

youre better off just buying one for an S14.

[Zachsta]

There's reasons they make one for a S13, and one for a S14.


Not a universal one for the two.

[stenJDM]

the bolt in cage is pointless anyways, most people just use it for the race car look. in case of a real accident it wouldnt help.

[irax]

the bolt in cage is pointless anyways, most people just use it for the race car look. in case of a real accident it wouldnt help.

that is fucking bullshit

utter fucking bullshit

in real life roll over situation a bolt in cage will help significantly

As long as it is meant for that vehicle

[Brian]

nope, he is right.

they actually line the walls of the bolt-in cage with explosives. Upon a crash impact, the cage explodes killing any occupant inside.

At least that is what my friend's bro with a H22 EG6 told me that he saw one time at the local autocross. It must be true.

[yabeet]

the bolt in cage is pointless anyways, most people just use it for the race car look. in case of a real accident it wouldnt help.

And would you care to explain why it does not help?

[93nismo]

the bolt in cage is pointless anyways, most people just use it for the race car look. in case of a real accident it wouldnt help.

what if i ud some stuctural adhesive?:wiggle:

[dreamin240sx]

dude just go buy some metal and build one yourself thats wat i did and it was my first one. i put a 6 point in my s13 and it actually came out quite well. just take your time.. dont buy a bolt in cage they suck ass... i seen a 09 mustang have a 6 point bolt in cage and it rolled over. it killed the guy inside because the cage failed. the cage was all f'ed up.. just build your own enough said

[R33E8]

that is fucking bullshit

utter fucking bullshit

in real life roll over situation a bolt in cage will help significantly

As long as it is meant for that vehicle

http://cache-03.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/12/2009/10/500x_mcrash02.jpg

You can see in the post-pancake-flipping images that the bolt-in roll cage simply punched through the floor, completely failing in its duty.

Mustang Cover Boy Tries To Corner, Flips Over Tire Wall - car crashes - Jalopnik (http://jalopnik.com/5390934/mustang-cover-boy-tries-to-corner-flips-over-tire-wall?skyline=true&s=i)

:Ownedd::Ownedd::Ownedd:

[94cc0rd]

the bolt in cage is pointless anyways, most people just use it for the race car look. in case of a real accident it wouldnt help.

I've seen a s14 flipped @ HTM and guy walked away with a few scratches. He had the infamous "crushco" aka Cusco cage. It did it's job.

Speak from experience and not from what he said she said :bs:

[wh0aitznic0]

I've seen a s14 flipped @ HTM and guy walked away with a few scratches. He had the infamous "crushco" aka Cusco cage. It did it's job.

Speak from experience and not from what he said she said

That's what she said.

[Katsumbhong]

http://cache-03.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/12/2009/10/500x_mcrash02.jpg



Mustang Cover Boy Tries To Corner, Flips Over Tire Wall - car crashes - Jalopnik (http://jalopnik.com/5390934/mustang-cover-boy-tries-to-corner-flips-over-tire-wall?skyline=true&s=i)

:Ownedd::Ownedd::Ownedd:

Looked at the photos and looked like he only had a shitty paperclip thin roll bar.

[wh0aitznic0]

Nah, his problem was that he's driving a Mustang.

[Witness]

Nah, his problem was that he's driving a Mustang.

I rather trust my life to that mustang than a s-chassis anyday lol

[Taniguchi_Is_#1]

everyone who has died in a rollover accident with a bolt in cage, please raise their hands.










that's what i thought.

[FusionR240sx]

that's physically impossible sir.^

[ranger240]

that's physically impossible sir.^

everyone who cant get a joke, raise your hand


this cage is more like it... also found in a ford
http://jalopnik.com/5481647/see-what-happens-when-you-dont-check-your-blind-spot?skyline=true&s=i

[irax]

http://cache-03.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/12/2009/10/500x_mcrash02.jpg



Mustang Cover Boy Tries To Corner, Flips Over Tire Wall - car crashes - Jalopnik (http://jalopnik.com/5390934/mustang-cover-boy-tries-to-corner-flips-over-tire-wall?skyline=true&s=i)

:Ownedd::Ownedd::Ownedd:

uhh yeah, they also don't mention the brand of roll cage or show pictures of installation

if the contact pad was just barely big enough it would punch through


you ALSO fail to quote

Incredibly, neither the driver nor passenger were injured in the accident.

big factor, had either of them be injured then it would be cause for concern. but hey guess what It technically did not fail its duty since both people survived unharmed

roll cages are not there to guarantee that in any type of accident the CAR will survive. It is there the guarantee the increased rate of survival of the passengers.

If OP wants to get a bolt in roll cage for the wrong car, and it fits in with little to no modifications and does not fit in a way that increases chances of harm then he will be safer than if he had no cage at all.

[R33E8]

uhh yeah, they also don't mention the brand of roll cage or show pictures of installation

if the contact pad was just barely big enough it would punch through



Looked at the photos and looked like he only had a shitty paperclip thin roll bar.


Autopower Industries - Roll Bars (http://www.autopowerindustries.com/rollbars.asp)

They are using one of those bolt in roll bar... Not exactly what I would call "shitty paperclip thin roll bar".. If I HAD to get a bolt in bar, I would much rather take a SCCA and Nasa legal AutoPower roll bar over a JDM TyTe Cusco baller bar..

you ALSO fail to quote



big factor, had either of them be injured then it would be cause for concern. but hey guess what It technically did not fail its duty since both people survived unharmed

roll cages are not there to guarantee that in any type of accident the CAR will survive. It is there the guarantee the increased rate of survival of the passengers.
.

I never said or even implied they were injured, so I don't see how I fail? I'm sure they at least had helmets which probably helped increase their survival rate tremendously.. I don't see many people driving on the streets wearing Snell rated helmets.. There is no guarantee that any (even weld in) roll cage will increase the rate of survival in a street setup.. If you aren't using a harness, proper roll cage padding, a helmet, even proper seats, the roll cage can injure you..


Besides, this is a full front flip, not just a side roll over.. I'm sure most bolt in roll bars would fail a crash like this.. And I doubt many people weld in a larger base plate before bolting in a roll bar..

[FusionR240sx]

everyone who cant get a joke, raise your hand


this cage is more like it... also found in a ford
See What Happens When You Don't Check Your Blind Spot? - 24 hours of lemons - Jalopnik (http://jalopnik.com/5481647/see-what-happens-when-you-dont-check-your-blind-spot?skyline=true&s=i)


who jokes about death?
kewl..

[irax]

I never said or even implied they were injured, so I don't see how I fail? I'm sure they at least had helmets which probably helped increase their survival rate tremendously.. I don't see many people driving on the streets wearing Snell rated helmets.. There is no guarantee that any (even weld in) roll cage will increase the rate of survival in a street setup.. If you aren't using a harness, proper roll cage padding, a helmet, even proper seats, the roll cage can injure you..


Besides, this is a full front flip, not just a side roll over.. I'm sure most bolt in roll bars would fail a crash like this.. And I doubt many people weld in a larger base plate before bolting in a roll bar..

You implied they were injured by your choice in quotes. a roll cage that fails to do its "duty" implies that people were critically injured or dead. And yes there is a guarantee that there is an increase in survival rate, if there wasn't then why do all the automotive racing sanctions require one? It's just plain stupid to roll around in a street car with a roll cage without padding, he'll it's just as retarded to race in a car with a roll cage but no padding. Yes drivers still die every year on the race track even with the best safety gear, but is exponentially better than back before the 60's, before roll bars were mandatory not even roll cages.

So before you get off that high horse, you might want to watch your step and make sure your retard helmet is strapped on tightly.

You don't like my guarantee's ? go drive around without a seat belt on for the rest of your life.

anyone want to post that infamous pic of the s14 that rolled over at HTM with the "crashco" bolt in roll cage?

[Flanderzz]

this thread is getting interesting...

[OBEEWON]

Besides, this is a full front flip, not just a side roll over.. I'm sure most bolt in roll bars would fail a crash like this.. And I doubt many people weld in a larger base plate before bolting in a roll bar..

Not even trying to be a jerk, but what credibility do you have to back up your position?

[OBEEWON]

everyone who has died in a rollover accident with a bolt in cage, please raise their hands.










that's what i thought.


Hahaha, LOL

[R33E8]

You implied they were injured by your choice in quotes. a roll cage that fails to do its "duty" implies that people were critically injured or dead. And yes there is a guarantee that there is an increase in survival rate, if there wasn't then why do all the automotive racing sanctions require one? It's just plain stupid to roll around in a street car with a roll cage without padding, he'll it's just as retarded to race in a car with a roll cage but no padding. Yes drivers still die every year on the race track even with the best safety gear, but is exponentially better than back before the 60's, before roll bars were mandatory not even roll cages.

So before you get off that high horse, you might want to watch your step and make sure your retard helmet is strapped on tightly.

You don't like my guarantee's ? go drive around without a seat belt on for the rest of your life.

anyone want to post that infamous pic of the s14 that rolled over at HTM with the "crashco" bolt in roll cage?

Well sorry for using that quote, I just meant to bring out the point that they can fail. Now that I think about it, I wouldn't say cage itself failed, but instead the mounting points were too thin..

It seems like you aren't reading what I said carefully. I know they help with safety in race situations, but I'm talking about the street. But at least we both agree that shouldn't be used in street cars.. I also said this was a "full front flip" or "end over end" type of crash .. Not a barrel roll type.. If you want to believe the forces on the cage and chassis are the same in both types of roll overs then.. okay..

Not even trying to be a jerk, but what credibility do you have to back up your position?

I have 0 :tardrim:

[OBEEWON]

Kinda presumtious to say what most people do when installing a bolt-in cage then right?

[mrizsuki]

i have a bolt-in cage, and it seems to do it job. most designs of cages are for chassis stiffening, not mainly for crash-type scenarios. but if you are assuming you are gonna crash, thats why tru-dash types with the crossbars behind your seat are designed for. thats why they make scca and fia cages and then there are custom cages for those who are more serious about it. but money is the limit, just choose wisely. +1 on bolt-in

[irax]

Well sorry for using that quote, I just meant to bring out the point that they can fail. Now that I think about it, I wouldn't say cage itself failed, but instead the mounting points were too thin..

It seems like you aren't reading what I said carefully. I know they help with safety in race situations, but I'm talking about the street. But at least we both agree that shouldn't be used in street cars.. I also said this was a "full front flip" or "end over end" type of crash .. Not a barrel roll type.. If you want to believe the forces on the cage and chassis are the same in both types of roll overs then.. okay..



http://www.halolz.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/barrel-roll.jpg

front flips are way less likely than barrel rolls, have no statistics behind it but considering how hard it is to do one on purpose for a stunt it's rather easy to believe. Yeah you ended up talking about front flips but we have been talking about roll overs since the beginning. Yeah mechanical leverage, simple physics and geometry will show that on a front flip more force is exerted onto the car and subsequent roll cage. But a very special circumstance needs to happen for your car to just do a front flip. I am more worried about being head shotted by a stray bullet while staying in the hamton suites in compton on the 12th floor with a gun fired from the ground in a mcdonalds 30 miles away. I mean, I see your point but I just believe it as much ground as my random headshot fear. Me? I'm going to go all out with the roll cage as made by Martin at PartShopMax here in San Diego. Only because that is what I want and I'll wait for it. But heck if some one wants to GIVE me a cusco bolt in or fuck sell it to me for $100 (which I don't have) I would use it without fear.

[fckillerbee]

s13 and s14 chassis are the same. Everything bolts together. tried it myself...don't know about structural integrity though....the cage kinda shakes around in my s14. little smaller...i heard the hatch one is better...gotta modify your trunk though..and rear window....might be cheaper to just lift the vehicle for safety.