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BrownDogg
02-17-2010, 02:00 AM
Negative feedback for K Sport. I bought their front camber arm which is also the front upper a-arm on an Infiniti G35. Part # CKNS04
I installed these camber arms on my Infiniti G35 back at the end of November 2009 and had them on the car for about 4000 miles in total. I installed coilovers on the car and noticed that the powder coat was chipping off of the a-arm right around the adjustable camber plate. I further examined the arms and noticed that they were actually bent which is why the powder coating chipped off.
I notified an employee that works at K Sport of this issue and I brought the car into K Sport and put it up on their lift so they could see the bent a-arms. K Sport at first said it might have happened because I was lowering on just lowering springs instead of coilovers so the car had more body and moved around more causing them to bend.
If that was the case, it shouldn't matter because these camber arms were designed for lowered cars. There is absolutely no point of having these arms unless your car is lowered so that makes no sense. They stated they were not going to warranty them because they have never seen this problem before.
I took the a-arms off the car a few weeks later and noticed that they were in fact a lot more messed up that I originally thought. They bent in multiple places which should definitely not happen. As you can see in the pictures below, they bent a good amount and it is clearly a failed piece of equipment for my car. I took the front a-arms/camber arms into K Sport and showed them how bad they bent and they still said they were not going to warranty them because they have never seen this issue before.
The most logical reason they haven't seen any bad a-arms is because the average person would have never noticed that they were bent. The a-arms still functioned on the car and the car was still completely drivable with them. The average person would buy these arms, take them to a shop and have them installed and then aligned and never look under the car to see them. You can't really see them once they are on the car anyways.
To me this is a big safety concern. If they failed and the metal bent that much in that short of time span, imagine how badly these would look after being on the car many more miles. 50K-100K miles they probably would have snapped off. What if they would have completely failed while I was driving or drifting at the race track? The damages would be horrific let alone my safety in jeopardy.
While I was at K Sport comparing my defective camber arms to a new set that they had on the shelf. One of the BRAND NEW never installed a-arms was bent in the same place as mine before it was even installed! So this is clearly a weak spot in the design of this product.
This just goes to show how poor their customer service is. I have bought lots of K Sport products in the past. I have had their coilovers on my 1993 240sx, coilovers on my 1996 240sx as well as every suspension component offered by K Sport on my S14. Coilovers on my G35 as well as every other suspension component they make for my car. I have always had good things to say about them until now when their product failed on me. It appears as though they cut costs on the quality of the materials being used to make their suspension components because these a arms bent in almost every possible place that they could have. It really makes me angry knowing that I have owned so many of their products and have said so many good things about K Sport and how their quality has changed and they finally make a solid product but apparently I was wrong.
This product that I purchased new retails for $570! I sure would like to think that a camber arm that costs that much is not going to fail on me. I bet Cusco, Tein, Spc, and other companies products do not fail on them like this.
I can assure you that these did not bend due to my driving being careless or something along those lines. I am a very careful driver and am always on the lookout for potholes. If only 1 side was bent then I could see K Sport blaming the failure on me but since both arms are bent in the same places, this is clearly an issue.
Cliff notes for those that don't like to read:
1) Bought K Sport front upper a arms/camber arms.
2) K Sports product failed on me
3) K Sport refuses to warranty their defective product
4) I am stuck with almost $600 paper weights
The Pictures:
You can see all the spots in the arm that bent by looking at the powder coating that is cracked at each bend.
Picture of the arms before I installed them so you can see that I did in fact purchase them brand new and never installed.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b54/BrownDogg04/K%20Sports%20defective%20product/DSC02209.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b54/BrownDogg04/K%20Sports%20defective%20product/DSC02215.jpg
Here are the pictures of the bent cheap quality arms
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b54/BrownDogg04/K%20Sports%20defective%20product/DSC02393.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b54/BrownDogg04/K%20Sports%20defective%20product/DSC02410.jpg
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sidedrifts13
02-17-2010, 02:25 AM
damm thats not cool
Ksport_Branden
02-18-2010, 09:26 AM
Let me start by introducing myself, I'm Branden, and I'm a sales rep at Ksport USA.
First...our warranty IS NOT transferrable. These control arms were given to a friend of Nicks and purchased off him by Alex. Without a receipt there is no warranty. Warranty's are possible because of the profits from the initial sale. This is basic business practices, try to go get your Sony TV warrantied without your purchase receipt or warranty card and see what happens.
Alex has come to us twice with this problem. The first time he came in he gave us some information that he somehow failed to mention in his post.
With that in mind, the following pics will tell the other side of the story, as there is obviously always two sides to every story.
http://ksportusa.com/images/browndogg/12.jpg
In this pic you can clearly see where the upright off of the spindle has contacted the control arm. As Alex had told us, he was on a set of lowering springs at a drift event prior to installing our coil overs and had a large amount of body roll. The first time he brought his car to us, we put it up on the lift and found that the excessive body roll caused this contact.
http://ksportusa.com/images/browndogg/11.jpg
Heres a shot of the upright where it made contact with the control arm.
http://ksportusa.com/images/browndogg/10.jpg
Side shot
http://ksportusa.com/images/browndogg/6.jpg
Car on the lift with the suspension unloaded showing the relation of the two parts.
The amount of force that'd be applied at that point during contact is enough to bend ANY manufacturers arms.
Negative feedback for K Sport. I bought their front camber arm which is also the front upper a-arm on an Infiniti G35. Part # CKNS04
I installed these camber arms on my Infiniti G35 back at the end of November 2009 and had them on the car for about 4000 miles in total. I installed coilovers on the car and noticed that the powder coat was chipping off of the a-arm right around the adjustable camber plate. I further examined the arms and noticed that they were actually bent which is why the powder coating chipped off.
It wasn't chipped off, it was rubbed off by your upright. See the pics above
I notified an employee that works at K Sport of this issue and I brought the car into K Sport and put it up on their lift so they could see the bent a-arms. K Sport at first said it might have happened because I was lowering on just lowering springs instead of coilovers so the car had more body and moved around more causing them to bend.
If that was the case, it shouldn't matter because these camber arms were designed for lowered cars. There is absolutely no point of having these arms unless your car is lowered so that makes no sense. They stated they were not going to warranty them because they have never seen this problem before.
With that logic we would never warranty any new problem brought up to us because there is a first time for any type of issue, product defect or not. The reason for not warrantying the arm is NOT because we haven't seen it before. It wasn't a defective product, it was a improper suspension set up previously installed on the car. Which is a moot point anyway as you didn't have a warranty to begin with.
Suspension arms are meant to articulate only so far. Regardless of whether or not it was designed for a lowered vehicle, if it articulates too much, it'll make contact, either with the body or the upright.
I took the a-arms off the car a few weeks later and noticed that they were in fact a lot more messed up that I originally thought. They bent in multiple places which should definitely not happen. As you can see in the pictures below, they bent a good amount and it is clearly a failed piece of equipment for my car. I took the front a-arms/camber arms into K Sport and showed them how bad they bent and they still said they were not going to warranty them because they have never seen this issue before.
Prime example of misinterpretation of information. Again, you didn't have a warranty to begin with, and your car and parts chosen prior to the coilover installation caused this to happen.
The most logical reason they haven't seen any bad a-arms is because the average person would have never noticed that they were bent. The a-arms still functioned on the car and the car was still completely drivable with them. The average person would buy these arms, take them to a shop and have them installed and then aligned and never look under the car to see them. You can't really see them once they are on the car anyways.
Thats a pretty large assumption to make. If you noticed them, I'm sure others would too.
To me this is a big safety concern. If they failed and the metal bent that much in that short of time span, imagine how badly these would look after being on the car many more miles. 50K-100K miles they probably would have snapped off. What if they would have completely failed while I was driving or drifting at the race track? The damages would be horrific let alone my safety in jeopardy.
Again, your prior set up was to blame, not the quality of the arm.
While I was at K Sport comparing my defective camber arms to a new set that they had on the shelf. One of the BRAND NEW never installed a-arms was bent in the same place as mine before it was even installed! So this is clearly a weak spot in the design of this product.
Missing an important bit of information about said control arm. It was damaged during our move. We're running a sale on these arms affected with only finish blemishes. We had a cart with all of our suspension arms roll off the moving truck as we were backing down the loading dock. Near 1000lbs worth of arms came crashing down on each other. Some fared better than others.
This just goes to show how poor their customer service is. I have bought lots of K Sport products in the past. I have had their coilovers on my 1993 240sx, coilovers on my 1996 240sx as well as every suspension component offered by K Sport on my S14. Coilovers on my G35 as well as every other suspension component they make for my car. I have always had good things to say about them until now when their product failed on me. It appears as though they cut costs on the quality of the materials being used to make their suspension components because these a arms bent in almost every possible place that they could have. It really makes me angry knowing that I have owned so many of their products and have said so many good things about K Sport and how their quality has changed and they finally make a solid product but apparently I was wrong.
So you've owned every suspension component we make for the S13/14 and you had ZERO problems with them. This one product gets damaged due to your prior set up and all of the sudden we are a junk product? Odd how that works. I've personally helped you in more instances than one, like when your tire rubbed your coilover on your 14, I gave you new spring isolators and installed them myself at the shop, over looking the fact that your tire rubbing the coilover is not something thats covered under warranty. Sounds like our service isn't the problem here at all. It's your misunderstanding of policy. I'm trying to curb my personal opinion on this as much as possible, but it seems like you're upset because you aren't getting special treatment. You know our customer service isn't a problem. You've called me about Ksport products while I'm at home on my own time and I still helped you out.
This product that I purchased new retails for $570! I sure would like to think that a camber arm that costs that much is not going to fail on me. I bet Cusco, Tein, Spc, and other companies products do not fail on them like this.
Any one of those manufacturers arms would have bent under the same circumstances.
I can assure you that these did not bend due to my driving being careless or something along those lines. I am a very careful driver and am always on the lookout for potholes. If only 1 side was bent then I could see K Sport blaming the failure on me but since both arms are bent in the same places, this is clearly an issue.
You were the one who gave us the info on the lowering springs and excessive roll. You did however, fail to mention to me when we spoke yesterday the findings from your previous visit. You can consider any info given to you by me to be null and void as I didn't have the whole story. The first time I've seen those pics I posted above was this morning.
Cliff notes for those that don't like to read:
1) Bought K Sport front upper a arms/camber arms.
2) K Sports product failed on me
3) K Sport refuses to warranty their defective product
4) I am stuck with almost $600 paper weights
1) you bought them second hand from someone who got them for free, warranty is not transferrable. If you had gotten them from us, there would have been paperwork stating this.
2) Your previous suspension set up caused your Ksport product to fail
3)The product is not defective
4)You didn't pay 600 for those, they don't even MSRP that high.
Bottom line is this, Alex is unhappy that we wouldn't warrant his camber arms, understandable, but our product wasn't defective, it was improperly used. Instead of bringing this up to us (the content of our conversation during the hour plus he was here, was maybe 10% about the bent arm 90% BS'ing), you find it necessary to make a negative post about us on multiple forums while leaving out key factors. You even stated to me that you didn't' plan on using these again since your stock arm adjusted your camber back within factory spec.
Based off of that information, I can logically deduct that you're upset you can't make your money back by selling these after causing damage to them. No one here understood why you brought them back in after having accepted the fact that your previous set up caused this contact thus damaging the arms. When you and I spoke you failed to mention to me about the contact the upright made with the arm.
I'm sorry that you feel we left you out in the cold, but we are only adhering to the policies that we put in place to remain profitable and provide service to those few that have an actually defective product.
Brian
02-18-2010, 10:42 AM
I'm pretty sure you are not allowed to post in here.
SUPERSTAR
02-18-2010, 11:17 AM
The color of your dog's eyes match the color of your parts.
Sooooo cool.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b54/BrownDogg04/K%20Sports%20defective%20product/DSC02215.jpg
Drift N Dragg
02-18-2010, 11:27 AM
Even though This is a Product Review, I believe the Rules still applies.. I would contact a Mod to see if you can leave or have to remove your rebut to the OP's orignial Posting..
The reviewee SHOULD NOT be posting in their thread. We are having three major issues with this at the moment:
Reviewees bumping their review thread by replying to posts. Reviewees discussing particulars about a sale. And reviewees arguing the basis of a bad review.
So.. stop. DO_NOT post in any thread reviewing you or your business.
I've massively elaborated onto this post, and will LOCK any thread in which a reviewee has posted for this point on. If a second thread is made, and the reviewee's incompetance gets it locked too - I will DELETE both threads.
DALAZ_68
02-18-2010, 11:27 AM
still...its clarifies a shit load...
SUPERSTAR
02-18-2010, 11:31 AM
dudes, you clearly missed the most important part here. The dog.
S14DB
02-18-2010, 11:55 AM
Even though This is a Product Review, I believe the Rules still applies.. I would contact a Mod to see if you can leave or have to remove your rebut to the OP's orignial Posting..
Product reviews don't belong in the Business review section. Moving it to chat.
g-via
02-18-2010, 12:12 PM
1000 lbs of arms came crashing down upon one another? You're sure it's safe to sell those? Maybe you should NDT a few of the worst before something happens.
Pandapants
02-18-2010, 01:11 PM
What if the car is really low, would it not have the same clearance issue with the upright?
BrownDogg
02-18-2010, 01:18 PM
If you want to read what a few fellow G35 owners have to say about them, check this thread out
Negative feedback for K Sport USA - G35Driver (http://g35driver.com/forums/brakes-suspension/325747-negative-feedback-k-sport-usa.html)
OptionZero
02-18-2010, 01:18 PM
G35 owner cheaping out with K-sport
fail
BrownDogg
02-18-2010, 01:19 PM
What if the car is really low, would it not have the same clearance issue with the upright?
It shouldnt matter how low the car is. These two suspension arms should NEVER come into contact with each other ever. If the car isn't lowered, there is no point in having these.
OBEEWON
02-18-2010, 01:25 PM
That dog is pist.
K-Sport seems to have a point tho...
BTW all four of my shocks are blown, can I get new ones?
GripTerror
02-18-2010, 01:28 PM
what were you expecting from china/taiwan shit made products?
Everyone likes their pick your color coilovers because they look shiny and pretttyyyyy and dont give a shit about performance but just slamming cars.... so of course this kinda shit will happen. Nothing shocking, nothing surprising. You get what you pay for.
g-via
02-18-2010, 01:29 PM
If you want to read what a few fellow G35 owners have to say about them, check this thread out
Negative feedback for K Sport USA - G35Driver (http://g35driver.com/forums/brakes-suspension/325747-negative-feedback-k-sport-usa.html)
Alex - did you really think K-sport would validate the part's warranty if you didn't even buy it? Get real. :goyou:
BrownDogg
02-18-2010, 01:36 PM
G35 owner cheaping out with K-sport
fail
Didnt think K sport was a cheap product but I learned my lesson!
BrownDogg
02-18-2010, 01:40 PM
Alex - did you really think K-sport would validate the part's warranty if you didn't even buy it? Get real. :goyou:
Of course I paid for them! I paid a few hundred dollars for them. I did not get them for free
D.Adams
02-18-2010, 01:43 PM
Didnt think K sport was a cheap product but I learned my lesson!
what did you learn here.
1 give both sides of the story
2 Branden showed valid proof that it was your fault.
3 thats what you get for trying to scam the system
OBEEWON
02-18-2010, 01:47 PM
Do G35's have bump stops? What does the stock A-arm look like?
Taniguchi_Is_#1
02-18-2010, 01:49 PM
Of course I paid for them! I paid a few hundred dollars for them. I did not get them for free
uh....
First...our warranty IS NOT transferrable
yeah, you lost the game.
Edgar
02-18-2010, 01:50 PM
I will have to say that K-Sports customer service is actually pretty awesome! We have had no issues with them at all.
Has this even happened to anybody else with the same product? I cant seem to find anything.
OptionZero
02-18-2010, 01:52 PM
Didnt think K sport was a cheap product but I learned my lesson!
Fail for ignorance then.
Same as Z/STi/EVO owners who sell BBS, enkei or rays wheels to get sportmax/rota.
Slidin240Wayz
02-18-2010, 01:57 PM
I see this as a design flaw.
Those arms should be made to work with stock shock/springs - coilovers.
Taniguchi_Is_#1
02-18-2010, 02:08 PM
Do G35's have bump stops? What does the stock A-arm look like?
looks like dat:
Front Adjustable Upper Control Arm Installation – G35 Coupe : STILLEN (http://blog.stillen.com/installation-diy-articles/g35-coupe-front-adjustable-upper-control-arm-installation/)
you can see those little dealies at the top of the spindle. judging from the damage on the OP's arms, i would agree with Ksport saying that it was due to the body roll of the car, and not the part. if those little tabs on the top of the spindle were ground down, there would have been no contact there in the first place under full compression. however, because they were not ground down according to ksport's install instructions, you can see that the repeated contact under load and then turning the wheel has caused failure of the part. there is no metal on earth that can get beat on like that and be expected to retain its shape. while i would agree that ksport should have designed the part to be spaced differently so that it cannot contact in that area, it's still pretty obvious that the failure was mostly due to the incorrect installation. i dunno, it looks like ksport r&d doesn't exist. therefore:
ksport = fail
OP = fail
franklin93zx
02-18-2010, 02:15 PM
dudes, you clearly missed the most important part here. The dog.
Seriously, the talk clearly looks to be hungry now unless we get pictures to clarify that the dog was infact fed after the pics were taken then I think we have an animal abuser on our hands...
Drift N Dragg
02-18-2010, 02:17 PM
Product reviews don't belong in the Business review section. Moving it to chat.
Thanks.. I had a feeling that was coming back after 45 mins of posting it.. haha.. But why go back... haha
eds13
02-18-2010, 02:35 PM
Alex - did you really think K-sport would validate the part's warranty if you didn't even buy it? Get real. :goyou:
:werd:
When you buy anything the chances of the warranty carrying over are extremely slim. Extremely!
tsx1racer04
02-18-2010, 02:36 PM
looks like dat:
Front Adjustable Upper Control Arm Installation – G35 Coupe : STILLEN (http://blog.stillen.com/installation-diy-articles/g35-coupe-front-adjustable-upper-control-arm-installation/)
you can see those little dealies at the top of the spindle. judging from the damage on the OP's arms, i would agree with Ksport saying that it was due to the body roll of the car, and not the part. if those little tabs on the top of the spindle were ground down, there would have been no contact there in the first place under full compression. however, because they were not ground down according to ksport's install instructions, you can see that the repeated contact under load and then turning the wheel has caused failure of the part. there is no metal on earth that can get beat on like that and be expected to retain its shape. while i would agree that ksport should have designed the part to be spaced differently so that it cannot contact in that area, it's still pretty obvious that the failure was mostly due to the incorrect installation. i dunno, it looks like ksport r&d doesn't exist. therefore:
ksport = fail
OP = fail
Couldn't agree more with this statement. However, this is how they make their products "affordable". No R&D is needed when your trying to mass produce a cheaper product than everybody else.
CrimsonRockett
02-18-2010, 04:47 PM
Buddy of mine with the infamous "Ruined Z" went with SPL camber arms up front.
If I remember correctly, the instructions themselves stated to shave off those two little tabs your control arm rubbed on to avoid rubbing, possibly damaging the product in the process(which in your case, did).
http://ksportusa.com/images/browndogg/10.jpg
ManoNegra
02-18-2010, 05:45 PM
G35 owner cheaping out with K-sport
fail
Mechanic friend of ours does a lot of custom (rice) modifications to G35s
been to his shop a few times and seen more than a few of them riding on Megan suspension parts. :Ownedd:
S14DB
02-18-2010, 07:28 PM
Buddy of mine with the infamous "Ruined Z" went with SPL camber arms up front.
If I remember correctly, the instructions themselves stated to shave off those two little tabs your control arm rubbed on to avoid rubbing, possibly damaging the product in the process(which in your case, did).
Wow, I just looked at the SPL arms. I knew the Stillen arms were around $800 and Ksport at $399 is tempting for half the price. But, looking at the SPL arms for $499 I dunno why you wouldn't go with those over Stillen or ksport, ichiba, megan...
http://splparts.com/main4/parts/V35/Suspension/Multilink/SPLFUAZ33_4.jpg
Regardless of what product I like. The OP left out details of his interaction with Ksport. Then gets owned by them when they post the rest of the details.
I don't know of any suspension manufacture that would warranty bottoming out the suspension.
GripTerror
02-18-2010, 07:39 PM
lol ksport vs spl... its a no brainer cmon ppl. Anyways
timlush
02-18-2010, 07:39 PM
You get what you pay for. Don't cheap out on K-Sports and you won't have a problem.
CrimsonRockett
02-18-2010, 07:50 PM
Wow, I just looked at the SPL arms. I knew the Stillen arms were around $800 and Ksport at $399 is tempting for half the price. But, looking at the SPL arms for $499 I dunno why you wouldn't go with those over Stillen or ksport, ichiba, megan...
Regardless of what product I like. The OP left out details of his interaction with Ksport. Then gets owned by them when they post the rest of the details.
I don't know of any suspension manufacture that would warranty bottoming out the suspension.
It doesn't make any sense.
Some people seriously can't wait 1-2 months to save up a mere $2-300 dollars.
They can't seem to comprehend how big of a difference that would make when it comes to purchasing quality parts.
Stop supporting knock off companies and some(if not most) of these issues will go away.
Support real companies that put a lot of R&D into their shit.
SPL offers real quality parts for less than most.
Shadowhunter
02-18-2010, 08:11 PM
Pictures speak louder than words. I don't think it's the quality of the product that caused this problem. It looks like an improper install/alignment more than anything. Even if the product was garbage it is clear in the pictures it was installed wrong and the failure is obviously not the product itself. It actually seems like Ksport went above and beyond and I certainly see their point of view on this. I think you are in the wrong man. Ksport makes the product, but the product(any product) is only as good as the proper installation.
CrimsonRockett
02-18-2010, 08:18 PM
I still won't support a company that does nothing but replicates another product for the sole purpose of profit.
MavericStephenc
02-18-2010, 08:26 PM
How to fabricate multi-link arms:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j47Sgvj3Whw
Teddy
02-18-2010, 08:26 PM
i still won't support a company that does nothing but replicates another product for the sole purpose of profit.
+9999999999
ericcastro
02-19-2010, 12:16 AM
It shouldnt matter how low the car is. These two suspension arms should NEVER come into contact with each other ever. If the car isn't lowered, there is no point in having these.
untrue.
Everyone knows after a certain point of lowering a car,
Different arms and shit touch, bind, rub, bang into and put odd pressure in places they werent designed to do that at.
what were you expecting from china/taiwan shit made products?
ummm, I like my Nikes.
I see this as a design flaw.
Those arms should be made to work with stock shock/springs - coilovers.
not at all.
When you put aftermarket parts on, you need to make sure they work with all your other after market parts.
You get what you pay for. Don't cheap out on K-Sports and you won't have a problem.
not the issue at all here.
and i dont call it cheaping out.
Some people cheap out, some people are on a budget.
Now my thing is, budgeting a 240 or old honda makes sense.
But if you have a G35..............shouldn't you have money?
i love how Ksport owned this kid with pure logic.
When i saw the kids pics, the first thing i thought was.
WTF banged and gouged the shit out of those?
Wouldnt that put pressure at a place not made for it and bend those parts?
So I read more to see if it was a design flaw, but it was the ops setup flaw.
Otto347
02-19-2010, 05:27 AM
How to fabricate multi-link arms:
YouTube - Parts Shop MAX newest super low S-Chassis camber arm fabrication (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j47Sgvj3Whw)
Um yeah, just dont tack weld them together.
OP is a fuck tard but K sport sucks anyway lololol
OBEEWON
02-19-2010, 09:27 AM
G35 moderators deleted the thread. I guess K-Sport wins.
Ksport_Branden
02-19-2010, 09:53 AM
Thanks for the responses guys. We didn't want this turn into a flame war at all. Unfortunately it's exactly what it had turned into (not really on this forum but def on others).
We do quite a bit of R&D, both here and at our factory. With as much as we've changed our product over the past year and a half, we cut our margin down quite a bit to keep our pricing the same but improve our quality. Everyone has to start somewhere, we got our start and our early success is what allows us to further our products quality and function. Due to these changes, we've seen less than a .5% warranty rate and continued success on track with our sponsored cars and our own.
These camber arms have never had a single warranty claim on them due to a quality defect. One guy was covered under warranty (sheered off an adjustment bolt by using an impact gun on it) and then this case. Selling 10-30 of these monthly for the past 5+ years and only 2 warranty claims, I'd say they're quite successful.
Take care,
Branden @ Ksport
tricky_ab
02-19-2010, 10:31 AM
I still won't support a company that does nothing but replicates another product for the sole purpose of profit.
THIS *man speaks the truth!*
iwishiwas-all*
02-19-2010, 10:57 AM
yeah, still, k sport, like megan will stand for half ass and cutting corners in my book, not saying you cant buy them, I am sure there are non-intensive products you can buy that wont fail prematurely, BUT, if you can spend 35k + on a fucking g35, atleast spend the 6-800 it takes for a legit pair of arms. come on man.
SUPERSTAR
02-19-2010, 12:21 PM
How's the dog doing, just checking in.
g-via
02-19-2010, 12:38 PM
Of course I paid for them! I paid a few hundred dollars for them. I did not get them for free
hahaha
OBVIOUSLY YOU PAID FOR THEM.
If I buy TV's out a someones van, I can't bring it back to Sony for warranty.:rofl:
BrownDogg
02-19-2010, 09:53 PM
Pictures speak louder than words. I don't think it's the quality of the product that caused this problem. It looks like an improper install/alignment more than anything. Even if the product was garbage it is clear in the pictures it was installed wrong and the failure is obviously not the product itself. It actually seems like Ksport went above and beyond and I certainly see their point of view on this. I think you are in the wrong man. Ksport makes the product, but the product(any product) is only as good as the proper installation.
The arm was definitely not improperly installed in any way. How did you come up with that? The car was aligned to the stock camber specs. Nothing wrong with the install.
How's the dog doing, just checking in.
Sparco, my dog is doing fantastic! Unlike these $570 paper weights. lol
http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs367.snc3/23638_344397712672_566692672_4555698_6409832_n.jpg
OBEEWON
02-24-2010, 10:29 AM
Sick sketches. Are you a designer?
Chernobyl
02-24-2010, 03:36 PM
Those adjuster slots are machined mighty close to the edge of the plate. Not saying that's what caused any of the issues (it didn't in this case) but that's a pretty shitty design overall.
southerncross
02-26-2010, 08:05 PM
i side with Ksport.
if you don't like em, don't buy em, but if you aren't smart enough to look at the damn pictures and see that its the OPs fault for not checking the clearance on the upright, you are a moron, and that goes for anyone. i've been wrenching for 12 years now, and the first thought i had was "what the hell did he hit that arm with?" its CLEARLY obvious that contact caused the problem, and Ksport had no control over what he did or didn't do when installed his suspension.
if you don't like Ksport because they're a less expensive alternative than brand X, cool, don't buy em. if you don't like Ksport because they copied somebody elses design, don't buy em. i built my whole suspension with circuit sports parts because thats what i could afford, not because i'm cheap. you can call me a cheapskate or whatever, but i've got a wife and two kids, and i just didn't want to wait 5 years to save money for a play toy. there are a lot of people like me that want to have affordable parts on the market so we can actually enjoy our cars on the track, and not wish about it.
cheAP products to drift on a g35......massive fail.....side with k sport eventhough i dont support products....
ROIDMONKEY
02-26-2010, 09:07 PM
Ksport nailed
in a court of law, k sport will win, since its stated that they do not warranty products of second owners!
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