Urethane Kouki 180sx Lips - GROUP BUY CLOSED.

[CrimsonRockett]

After much interest from the Kouki 180sx crowd, I've finally come through with a Urethane replica of the highly sought after 180sx lip.

Rather than making another typical fiberglass replica that is prone to cracking on the first driveway you go up, we've decided to make a Urethane replica which will be able to take beatings for years to come.

Several people have already cracked/replaced their fiberglass versions. Not only is this annoying, but you'll end up spending more in the long run having it repaired/repainted/replaced.

Now, pricing.

Price is set at $400/each.

Shipping will be a flat rate of $70 to the lower 48 states.

Some may think this is costly, but finding a real OEM lip is next to impossible and dealing with weak fiberglass that LOVES to chip/crack/break gets old really fast.

Another reason is, we're having these lips made in the good ol' USA. No outsourcing here. Quality control and deadlines are our top priority. We didn't want to have shitty replicas made. So, "you get what you pay for" definitely comes into play.

The urethane will be thick and fitment will be spot on.

This is a Group Buy. So, we need 30 orders filled. Otherwise, we will not be having the lips made.

Seeing as to how a lot of people like to back out at the last minute, we will not be taking deposits.

Full payments need to be received. Otherwise, you will not be added to the list.

Again, 30 orders need to be filled. So, until that number is reached, the lips will not be made. If you're the type of person that wants their parts NOW and hate waiting, this group buy is not for you. This isn't something that will happen overnight. 30 orders will take weeks...even months. Patience is virtue.

ETA is 4-6 weeks for the lips to be completed. After that, they will be boxed up and shipped via Fed Ex.

If 30 orders are completed, another group buy will be set up, but same goes for that. 30 orders will need to be completed(which will nearly be impossible after this one). So, this may be your ONLY chance to have a Urethane version.

For all of you fiberglass guys, this is the perfect time to upgrade to something durable. Already own a real OEM Kouki lip? It doesn't hurt to have an extra. Hell, use the Urethane replica and save your rare OEM lip, which is what I plan on doing.

Payments - Paypal preferred. PM me for this info.

Cash is fine for the local guys, but like I mentioned earlier, you will not be getting a product until 30 orders are completed.

Bold blue = Paid.

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People interested:
1. brndck - 2 Lips
2. silviaguy240 - 1 lip
3. I LUV MY S13 - 1 lip
4. 180sxdrifter - 1 lip
5. Touge Monster - 1 lip
6. Satal95 - 1 lip
7. Souljahzs13 1 lip
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Here's the fiberglass copy(which was an exact copy of a real OEM lip) that will be used to make the Urethane version.

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii246/CrimsonRockett/Jspec/DSCF4303.jpg

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii246/CrimsonRockett/Jspec/DSCF4301.jpg

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii246/CrimsonRockett/Jspec/DSCF4295.jpg

[silviaguy240]

damn only a one time thing, dont even have kouki aero yet. but im gonna try to scrape together the cash for this.

[CrimsonRockett]

damn only a one time thing, dont even have kouki aero yet. but im gonna try to scrape together the cash for this.

I'll be setting up another group buy after 30 orders come in, but it'll be next to impossible to reach another 30 for that one to go through.

So, this may very well be your only chance.

[I LUV MY S13]

damn only a one time thing, dont even have kouki aero yet. but im gonna try to scrape together the cash for this.

same here, i wasnt planning on going kouki for a while, but like crimson said these lips are HARD TO FIND

hmm, give me 6 weeks

[Z33dori]

do they atleast plan on keeping a fiberglass version in production after the group buys?

[CrimsonRockett]

do they atleast plan on keeping a fiberglass version in production after the group buys?

Fiberglass version is already in production and readily available with tabs and all. So, you don't have to wait for the other group buy to finish.

But, this isn't the thread for that.

To the refback below (with retarded responses and all), this group buy wasn't set up to maximize profits.

I'm doing this to help out the community.

My profit margins are ridiculously small to the point that it's not even worth doing, but I'm going through with it anyway because money isn't everything to me.

So, if you wish to have a Urethane replica made, find your own sources and let me know how that goes.

[180sxdrifter]

do u need the $400 in full to be in the gb?

[CrimsonRockett]

do u need the $400 in full to be in the gb?

Yes.

I've dealt with deposits in the past and they're not my cup of tea.

People back out at the last minute and demand their deposits back (even though I specifically stated it was non-refundable).

With payments made in full, it will all go toward having the lips produced.

If 30 orders aren't reached, the lips will not be produced and people will be refunded.

[180sxdrifter]

Yes.

I've dealt with deposits in the past and they're not my cup of tea.

People back out at the last minute and demand their deposits back (even though I specifically stated it was non-refundable).

With payments made in full, it will all go toward having the lips produced.

If 30 orders aren't reached, the lips will not be produced and people will be refunded.

i'll put mine as soon i see progress

i'll be the 30th one to close the deal

[CrimsonRockett]

i'll put mine as soon i see progress

i'll be the 30th one to close the deal

No problem.

I'm already receiving inquiries about this.

So, we'll see how things go.

[Touge_Monster]

i'll put mine as soon i see progress

i'll be the 30th one to close the deal

same. I have money ready I just dont want it lingering untill I know this is going through

[obsolete]

same. I have money ready I just dont want it lingering untill I know this is going through

lol i could see this won't get very far. if you got the money, then why not start things off? If everyone waits and sees, then the list will remain at zero

[drift_maniac]

yea i dont see why crimsonrockett cant just special order these. i mean 30 people is ALOT to wait for.

just sayin, im not going to buy but yeah been reading through alot on the private sellers review.

but iono im a noob here.

crimsonrockett seems legit with 87 ++ reps.

just my 02. why not just special order per individual. im sure who ever is making and selling this are gonna make money from a person or 30 person.

[satal95]

Definitly in but like the rest I would like to see how many people do sign up before sending $470

I know this isn't the thread but where do we go for the fiberglass version because I would like the lip now lol

[brndck]

to anyone questioning johnnys legitness, stfu.
before you even try to say anything, go find a manufacturer and get a few quotes to see how much they charge for setup and production of something for a batch of only 30. most places would laugh your ass right out the door. most places won't even get out of their chair for anything less than an order of a few hundred. i know, i checked into getting s14 jdm aero lips made in urethane and every place i contacted wanted a minimum of 50 x 380 each.

even at 30 x 400 each, do any of you happen to have $12k lying around to front this operation? do you really thing johnny is going to get rich of this?

to johnny: i'm interested, local pickup tho? discount if i buy 2 or more?

[CrimsonRockett]

I'll be ordering one myself.

I do have two real OEM lips(one being brand new), but I wouldn't mind having a urethane replica to use. That way, I can leave my brand new lip alone.

to anyone questioning johnnys legitness, stfu.
before you even try to say anything, go find a manufacturer and get a few quotes to see how much they charge for setup and production of something for a batch of only 30. most places would laugh your ass right out the door. most places won't even get out of their chair for anything less than an order of a few hundred. i know, i checked into getting s14 jdm aero lips made in urethane and every place i contacted wanted a minimum of 50 x 380 each.

even at 30 x 400 each, do any of you happen to have $12k lying around to front this operation? do you really thing johnny is going to get rich of this?

to johnny: i'm interested, local pickup tho? discount if i buy 2 or more?

Thank you.

Like I said earlier, my profit margins are extremely small. I am NOT getting rich off of this. I'm doing everything I possibly can to keep cost as low as possible for the general public.

Tyler, local pick up is more than welcome. I'll be personally shipping these out.

Also, if there's someone local to you who also wants a lip, I can do combined shipping.

Again, I'll do whatever it takes to keep cost as low as possible to you guys.

[Brian]

are you making them with the studs that go through the bumper?

[CrimsonRockett]

are you making them with the studs that go through the bumper?

No, because they're actually pretty useless.

They're weak and love to break off with very little force.

OEM lip hugs the bumper very well.

So, bolts at both ends + bolts on the tabs and a strip of double sided tape from the lip to the bumper will be more than enough.

[drift_maniac]

to anyone questioning johnnys legitness, stfu.
before you even try to say anything, go find a manufacturer and get a few quotes to see how much they charge for setup and production of something for a batch of only 30. most places would laugh your ass right out the door. most places won't even get out of their chair for anything less than an order of a few hundred. i know, i checked into getting s14 jdm aero lips made in urethane and every place i contacted wanted a minimum of 50 x 380 each.

even at 30 x 400 each, do any of you happen to have $12k lying around to front this operation? do you really thing johnny is going to get rich of this?

to johnny: i'm interested, local pickup tho? discount if i buy 2 or more?

i dont think no is doubting him. just that people from what ive read, no one wants to front $470 then its gonna take a few weeks to fill the order of 30 then a few more weeks to even get the product.

no need to get all worked up about it. you got his back, we see that:love:

[Brian]

No, because they're actually pretty useless.

They're weak and love to break off with very little force.

OEM lip hugs the bumper very well.

So, bolts at both ends + bolts on the tabs and a strip of double sided tape from the lip to the bumper will be more than enough.

good.

The studs suck.

[FusionR240sx]

urethane is the way to go..
got a lip for my z32 made from it and it's awesome.
u can bend it all day.
doesn't crack/tear or anything.

awesome.
even better material then oem usdm s14 kouki front lips.

[Pandapants]

Is there a deadline you have to get 30 purchases?

[CrimsonRockett]

Is there a deadline you have to get 30 purchases?

No deadline.

Company making them for us is ready whenever we are.

If it seems like we can't reach 30 orders, I will simply call the whole thing off and refund people their money.

Today being the first day, I already have about 9 people interested.

We'll see how things look a week from now.

[silviaguy240]

ok this is set, should have my $400 on march 19th.

[Souljahzs13]

No deadline.

Company making them for us is ready whenever we are.

If it seems like we can't reach 30 orders, I will simply call the whole thing off and refund people their money.

Today being the first day, I already have about 9 people interested.

We'll see how things look a week from now.

10 including me, once I see the 9 names up I will send out my money :naughtyd:

[Nacho_240]

Urethane is definitely that way to go.

All you guys need to start sending payments.

Put me on the list. I sent mine already.

[CrimsonRockett]

List updated.

Two payments have been received.

:)

[Nacho_240]

Do you only want to offer this deal to Zilvians? Have you considered posting on other forums?

Just a thought.

[CrimsonRockett]

Do you only want to offer this deal to Zilvians? Have you considered posting on other forums?

Just a thought.

I may, but seeing as to how Zilvia is my main forum, I'd rather keep it here.

We'll see.

[AWDtoyota]

If I order more than one will shipping be $70 for the two lips? Or double? Can you fit three in a box?

[CrimsonRockett]

If I order more than one will shipping be $70 for the two lips? Or double? Can you fit three in a box?

I can do combined shipping, but it won't be $70 for two.

$105 for two.

$140 for three to the same address.

[4banger]

So how much would shipping be to Hawaii 96786?

[CrimsonRockett]

So how much would shipping be to Hawaii 96786?

Not sure.

I'll get a quote later today and let you know.

[CrimsonRockett]

All PM's replied.

Come on now. I've responded to over 20 people at this point that have said they were ready with cash in hand.

The faster these orders come in, the better for everyone.

[Nacho_240]

I just noticed you use "we" through out your first post. Who is included in the "we" anyways? Is it Jspec? Just curious...

[CrimsonRockett]

I just noticed you use "we" through out your first post. Who is included in the "we" anyways? Is it Jspec? Just curious...

Yes.

Sam @ Jspec is helping me with this.

[4banger]

So did u get a shipping quote to HI?

[CrimsonRockett]

So did u get a shipping quote to HI?


Shipping to HI is usually $2-300 due to size, but I think I can bring it down to around $140.

All PM's replied.

So, what happened to everybody?

I had so many people ready "with cash in hand".

So many people desperate to get a Urethane replica.

Now that I'm trying to make it happen, everybody decides to bail.

Sigh.

[satal95]

I want a fiberglass copy right now if it is available. Plus just to have close to $500 out in the air while waiting for 30 more people to sign up is kinda iffy with my significant other. Nothing against you but more we could be using that money now for other stuff. If you want I could send you half now and the rest when the order does happened. If not Like I mentioned before once you have close to the needed amount of pre-orders I'll be sending you the cash for the urethane version.

But like mentioned before I would like a FG copy also to just have for right now to complete the look

[VYKTR]

Wow, this thread feels like an empty room... Hope those peeps don't let you down Johnny. GLWS

[CrimsonRockett]

I want a fiberglass copy right now if it is available. Plus just to have close to $500 out in the air while waiting for 30 more people to sign up is kinda iffy with my significant other. Nothing against you but more we could be using that money now for other stuff. If you want I could send you half now and the rest when the order does happened. If not Like I mentioned before once you have close to the needed amount of pre-orders I'll be sending you the cash for the urethane version.

But like mentioned before I would like a FG copy also to just have for right now to complete the look

You could also slowly set money aside so it doesn't feel like you're "losing" $500.

I understand not everyone can just put down $500, but that's all I can do right now.

I wouldn't want to take half of what I'm asking, then after 30 orders are reached, go after the second half.

I've heard/read/seen a lot of this happen in the past and it just doesn't go down smoothly. People just LOVE to flake(especially when dealing with 240 owners since the vast majority of them are broke teens).

I do have fiberglass versions readily available(literally a phone call away), but then most(if not all) will turn to that version and be okay with it.

Most(if not all) will end up cracking/blowing it up somewhere. Then, we're right back where we started.

Put up the money for a good replica and you will not regret it.

[Brian]

The problem was that this was posted for the Zilvia (or 240sx in general) crowd.


I bet if you were listing a $20 bill for sale, you'd get a lot of $10, $13, $15 offers.
lol

[Def]

So, what happened to everybody?

I had so many people ready "with cash in hand".

So many people desperate to get a Urethane replica.

Now that I'm trying to make it happen, everybody decides to bail.

Sigh.

Welcome to selling quality parts to 240SX owners...

Still amazes me that someone will send PM after PM annoying someone for a product, then when it's available for a very fair price they are nowhere to be found.

[satal95]

The problem is he needs 30 people for it. Like I've mentioned before I have the money for this waiting but don't want to wait forever just to get 27 more people to come up with their end. Now if it was I pay him and them my part gets made then he would already have my payment for this quality part.

Crimson any chance of changing the group buy to require less people or does it have to be 30?

[CrimsonRockett]

Crimson any chance of changing the group buy to require less people or does it have to be 30?

I talked to Sam about this. He said the number could go down, but that would increase the price for everybody else.

More made = lower price.

I'll be posting up an "interested parties" list fairly soon to give everybody an idea as to how many are actually interested.

[Def]

The problem is he needs 30 people for it. Like I've mentioned before I have the money for this waiting but don't want to wait forever just to get 27 more people to come up with their end. Now if it was I pay him and them my part gets made then he would already have my payment for this quality part.

Crimson any chance of changing the group buy to require less people or does it have to be 30?

That's how Group Buys work. You get a discount for buying in bulk.

If you want your stuff now you've got to be prepared to pay, and in something like this that sounds like it's a custom made piece made in one run, the cost per unit is going to shoot way up to make it worth the time of the guy doing the molding.

[satal95]

I talked to Sam about this. He said the number could go down, but that would increase the price for everybody else.

More made = lower price.

I'll be posting up an "interested parties" list fairly soon to give everybody an idea as to how many are actually interested.

How much of an increase?

[JesusFreakDrifter]

nissan should be outsourcing orders to you, that should fill up the thirty quickly, did you try them?

[CrimsonRockett]

How much of an increase?

Not sure. I'd have to call and ask.

nissan should be outsourcing orders to you, that should fill up the thirty quickly, did you try them?

Nissan would want at least 100 orders made. I'm not paying for 100 and I highly doubt such a number would ever be reached.

Kouki 180sx taillights were discontinued at one point iirc. It took a massive order years ago to bring them back into production.

[JesusFreakDrifter]

wish i could help, i do want one, so when i start my typex build

[CrimsonRockett]

List updated!

I would have more names in the "people interested" list, but I have over 1,000 PM's at the moment and don't feel like going through each one of them.

Come on. 4 people already got the ball rolling. I myself will be purchasing one for personal use.

[silviaguy240]

like i said, should have my cash by march 19th!! if not then definately on april 2nd.

[satal95]

Did you find out how much of a price increase if less then 30 people?

[silviaguy240]

depends on how many people, but just for ease, only 15 people would mean the lip would probably double.

[Dunkz]

Any idea how much you'd be looking for to ship one of these to the uk or perhaps several If I can get other people wanting them?

[Dunkz]

Or would you even be willing to ship to the uk?

[CrimsonRockett]

like i said, should have my cash by march 19th!! if not then definately on april 2nd.

Sounds good.

Did you find out how much of a price increase if less then 30 people?

No, I haven't.

I've been really busy lately. Not a lot of free time on my hands.

depends on how many people, but just for ease, only 15 people would mean the lip would probably double.

More than likely, yes, but at that price, nobody would want it.

Any idea how much you'd be looking for to ship one of these to the uk or perhaps several If I can get other people wanting them?

Not a whole lot. I get a good discount when it comes to shipping by air. So, it shouldn't be THAT bad.

Or would you even be willing to ship to the uk?

Of course. As long as the buyer pays for shipping, I'm more than willing to ship around the world.

[silviaguy240]

Well, as much as interest as I've shown I feel kinda bad. But due to car and non car factors right now, I'm going to have to spend the money elsewhere. Don't think the type-x route is the right one to go with this car. So unfortunately I am backing out. Free bump for this and best of luck with the sale.

[Gizmo_S13]

Fuck I would be down to buy this but I got laid off last week and I can't be blowing my money right away FML!!! DAMN YOU BILLS!!!!

[Touge_Monster]

Can we set a dead line or something? I really do have the money just dont want it floating in outerspace while I wait for months for this to end.

I REALLY think that if you would take 200 now then set a date to pay the rest(or the person would get dropped with no refund) would speed things up. Then once the deadline comes place the order or something?

I know you said you didnt want to mess with that but I think that is the only way this will go threw

[satal95]

Can we set a dead line or something? I really do have the money just dont want it floating in outerspace while I wait for months for this to end.

I REALLY think that if you would take 200 now then set a date to pay the rest(or the person would get dropped with no refund) would speed things up. Then once the deadline comes place the order or something?

I know you said you didnt want to mess with that but I think that is the only way this will go threw

Thats what I was thinking also but I'm still waiting for the price on fiberglass version shipped to 78237

[sleepy180]

geeze, saw the thread and was like, fuck need to jump in on this quicklike but then saw only 4 people in on it? wtf? Is that really all there is?

any new updates?
Can I local pickup for $400 when its ready?

[satal95]

geeze, saw the thread and was like, fuck need to jump in on this quicklike but then saw only 4 people in on it? wtf? Is that really all there is?

any new updates?
Can I local pickup for $400 when its ready?

That's the problem with it. Lot of interest in this but the whole have to pay the full amount up front is what's keeping this from moving on I think.

Hey Crimson still waiting for the fiberglass replica shipped to 78237 lmk