Is it possible to drift well in totally stock 93 240sx SE coupe with no LSD??

[novaguy14]

Is it possible to drift well in totally stock 93 240sx SE coupe with no LSD?? I am buying a stock one an was wondering how well you could or if you could?

Also, can a 240sx do a second gear scratch?

What are your techniques for driftinG?

And if there is no LSD, is it toally impossible to get both rear wheels to spin, even if you are in water or something?

[Phlip]

*Breaks out the halon*
Drift is a touchy subject around here... Your question was "is it possible..." and the answer to that is a yes... My question to you is "Is it likely..." and the answer to that is a resounding no.

[Dousan_PG]

lots of qs
drift...YES
drift well..depends on the driver
yes you CAN drift a stockcar, i've seen it and know for a fact, i cant do it because i suck but it can be done!!!
driver driver driver

burnouts. open diff, you'll ALWAYS just burn one wheel/tire. water or not, you might hook up both but soon it'll go back to one (usuallyinside one burns up)


techniques? so many...learning constantly

[Yoshi]

okay, typically I agree with things Dousan says, but in this case I have to REALLY disagree.

See, Dousan is a track whore.
He races all the time, hence his skill level and general knowledge and feel of his car is predictable to him.

You just bought a new (to you) car.
It's a 10 year old car.
It's going to have lots of routine maintinience-type parts that needs repair/replacement.

Can it be drifted? sure it can, if you're a good and experienced drifter/racer.

Is it safe? Hell-focking-No!

Do you know what snap-oversteer is?
Trying to learn to drift it how it is would be dangerous to you, and everyone else around you. On this board we've actually see and heard from MULTIPLE people who've done what you're attempting and the result is always the same... new posts like, "where can I get cheap framework repair?" or "look at this pic... how bad do you think the damage is?"

From the questions you've asked, it's pretty apparent that you still have a lot to learn on the physics side, and it's VITAL that you learn that stuff before going out and trying things, and don't take that as an insult. That's just how it works, learn all you can before going out and trying things... learn the car first! Learn how it will react in a given situation before you find youself caught off guard and leave yourself open for physical harm (not to mention the poor car).

93's are pretty rare as s13's go. Take care of it! Too many 240's are being destroyed by people who see TFATF and 2F2F-type movies (again, not saying you're one of those, but know that there are PLENTY of people out there who are). Let's try and keep the car destruction limited to civics who try to a$$-drag. :D

[Dousan_PG]

haha yeah yoshi broke it down
safe? not if you are a newb drifter! hahaha

[574-240sx]

if you want a cheap lsd, weld up the rear end, posi all the time. HAHA. Believe me its hard to drift with a open diff. That brings up, does anyone have any VLSD output flanges? Nick

[DoriftoSlut]

I agree with everyone... You CAN drift a stock setup, infact I think everyone should learn how to. Makes you a better driver. but you need to learn how. And to do that the best way is go to Drift Days and track events and practice practice... Case in point: i do consider myself an advanced drifter. I got in Dousan's car recently, and could not hold a slide. It was too unpredictable for my style and not enough grip (yes... i needed MORE mechanical and tire grip). In the short period of time I drove his car I could not get the hang of it. He is also an advanced drifter. He does VERY well in his car. just because of preferences and styles, us 2 could not drive the same in 1 given car. Meanwhile, the first attempts of driving nicky's (nyjee) car, and I totally got the hang of it and was doing 3rd gear drifts off the bat. MORE PROOF that driver is everything. Do well in one car and suck in another.... both cars set up for drift...

As for techniques.. go to www.driftsession.com they have a techniques section. get used to sidebrake and clutch kick...:boink:

[s0ldats]

Originally posted by novaguy14
Is it possible to drift well in totally stock 93 240sx SE coupe with no LSD?? I am buying a stock one an was wondering how well you could or if you could?

Also, can a 240sx do a second gear scratch?

What are your techniques for driftinG?

And if there is no LSD, is it toally impossible to get both rear wheels to spin, even if you are in water or something?

possible? yes. should you try? no.

[Steeles]

Originally posted by Dorifto180sx
I agree with everyone... You CAN drift a stock setup, infact I think everyone should learn how to. Makes you a better driver. but you need to learn how. And to do that the best way is go to Drift Days and track events and practice practice... Case in point: i do consider myself an advanced drifter. I got in Dousan's car recently, and could not hold a slide. It was too unpredictable for my style and not enough grip (yes... i needed MORE mechanical and tire grip). In the short period of time I drove his car I could not get the hang of it. He is also an advanced drifter. He does VERY well in his car. just because of preferences and styles, us 2 could not drive the same in 1 given car. Meanwhile, the first attempts of driving nicky's (nyjee) car, and I totally got the hang of it and was doing 3rd gear drifts off the bat. MORE PROOF that driver is everything. Do well in one car and suck in another.... both cars set up for drift...

As for techniques.. go to www.driftsession.com they have a techniques section. get used to sidebrake and clutch kick...:boink:

out of pure curiosity michelle, what about Dousan's ride would you have changed? I goet the tire grip but how do you mean mechanical?

[Dousan_PG]

:p probably my setup. haha..so much suspension
i use FM901s on the back and ES100s on the front
nismo SSS lsd (2way)
coilovers, do luck parts...
my car is VERY solid and stiff.
most everyone who drives it (um...5 or so people ahve tried/driven it) say its very stiff. and end up snap oversteer hahaha..

what can i say..i got a big hard one. :eek: too bad it has no power..oh wait...damn :wtc:

[DoriftoSlut]

Yah by mechanical grip I mean softer damping setup, actually more camber for me... OR moe grippy tires, and keep the hard suspension. The car was just secretive about when it would step out. I could never tell if I was going to rotate or not, and would counter steer way late or too early... The runs were cut short by 105 degree vegas heat, liquified tires, and some unfortunate happenings with a friends car, so I only had about 3-4 runs, and I did not have time to mess with the settings and adjust them to my liking. It just so happened that Nicky and I have similar styles of drifting enough so that his car was nice for me to drive.

[Dousan_PG]

yeah tirse were MURDERED in that heat! :(
fm901s usually last 3 events.
killed a 70% one in 3 hours
theo ther was on the virge in about 2-3 hours!!! :(
so sad
too hot hot hot
next time for a drift day 2 day one, dorifto drives my car ALL day and sets up how he wants
that is unless his car is finaly here theni say go to hell dorifto, drive your own car :p


yes you can drift stock (100%) but its not recommmended..espeically on the street!!

[Steeles]

so he likes um limp and powerful.... intresting...... lol

[Steeles]

Originally posted by Dorifto180sx
Yah by mechanical grip I mean softer damping setup, actually more camber for me... OR moe grippy tires, and keep the hard suspension. The car was just secretive about when it would step out. I could never tell if I was going to rotate or not, and would counter steer way late or too early... The runs were cut short by 105 degree vegas heat, liquified tires, and some unfortunate happenings with a friends car, so I only had about 3-4 runs, and I did not have time to mess with the settings and adjust them to my liking. It just so happened that Nicky and I have similar styles of drifting enough so that his car was nice for me to drive.

kewl

[ny_jee]

On Topic: Yes, you can totally drift it stock if you choose to. I drifted my friend's G35 sedan(Auto) in a p-lot. It sucked, but it's doable. But if one's serious about drifting, I'd say just go out and do it(hopefully off the street, meaning track/events). Get use to the feel of the car, and get use to techniques that you'll be using. Then start mod'ing the car... To your taste. Understanding how your car handles will not only save you $$$, but also alot of time. You'll know whether to do sus mods before power upgrade, or vice versa, or if you have lots of cash on hand, then do both at the same time. But remember, w/ great power comes great responsibility. Know you car before it ownz you...

Off Topic: Dousan's car, as Dorifto mentioned was just too stiff for his/my taste. I felt the front can soften a bit, so I get more feedback of the way the car's acting. The rear was fine the way it was. The LSD was really nice to have, it made up for the lack of power for KA. Definately needs a short shift or solid shift of some kind... But that's just my peronal opinion, b/c I have B&M and am use to that. I was fortunate enough to got a chance to drive JDMRICE before the mishap(actually just rite before it..., ppl actually thought I totalled it...). All I have to say is that it was really nice ride and lots of fun. The car was predictable, and very responsive. Having no knowledge of how turb'ed cars would act, I got use to it after one run. The power was there when you needed it, and it griped when you wanted it to. I am glad to say that JDMRICE 2 will be coming to a track near you VERY SOON. Another thing that I learned from JDMRICE is that VLSD would not be totally useless if you had the power, it'd still be nice to have an LSD, but the car need juice to up the speed.

[Phlip]

Originally posted by Steeles
out of pure curiosity michelle, what about Dousan's ride would you have changed? I goet the tire grip but how do you mean mechanical?
Dammit, you got it wrong again, it's the OTHER woman's name, I believe it's Jessica.

[240silvia]

Depends on the driver man. If you can drive well, you won't have any problems. If you can't, be prepared to replace some parts.

[Rogue]

what happend to jdmrice (part one)? I must have missed it.

[hooter]

http://writtenword.adhost.com/vtec/SlipAngle/drifto.jpg

[Dousan_PG]

hey that's me (on right-back) of richard's car
i think im talking w/ richard or ernie i forget...heh..so sad :wtc: :cry:

[Rogue]

nnnnnnnooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

damn damn damn. did he spin out ouch...


nice to put a face with your name dousan36, "if the really is your name dousan"

=)0---------------:cry:

[Grant]

he kinda slid/plowed into it. but thats ok.. JDM rice 2 is on its way. Any open LSD drifting is possible. Alex Chang did it :-D.. its kind of about getting the concept of weight transfer and driving skill, both of which i lack

[mvaters]

wow, looking at whether a car can drift or not as a reason to buy. oh god, hang yourself

[SilviaDriver]

Originally posted by Grant
its kind of about getting the concept of weight transfer and driving skill, both of which i lack

its okay friend, ur not the only one.

man..thats sad wat happen to Richards car. i would of cried.

[wyldchyld7x]

Ok I've been out of town for almost a year and in the meantime my girlfriend has been driving my 91 fast back. Soon as I get back she starts in on how her mechanic says it's a deathtrap cuz it has 200,000 miles, the timing chain slaps like it's about to rip off, etc, etc. Mind you my 91 is bone stock and is the funnest car I have ever owned and no it has no lsd. So I live in S. Florida, it rains here all last week; and I can say with all honesty that given a lack of concern for personal well being or any mercy on your car yes you can drift it. Actually in the industrial area where I go to be alone with my baby while I abuse her I got her into a rather nice and scary four wheel sideways drift. But trust me If you take it upon yourself to be an *** like me someday something bad will happen to you or your car or both. In the meantime I don't care please let it rain tomorrow so I can have some fun.

[DRFT]

Originally posted by hooter
http://writtenword.adhost.com/vtec/SlipAngle/drifto.jpg

:cry: NO!!!! Not the dual beam projectors, the kouki style bumper and the hood. Man...i saw this car at drift showoff and it was nice...but i am sad to see how it went.. i hope jdmrice 2 is just as good..infact i hope to see it better! heh that was one heck of a ride..Sad to see it go though...

[DoriftoSlut]

JDMRice2 will blow your guys minds. Everything about it will leave you shocked... Basically: YOU AIN'T SEEN NOTHIN' YET. In fact, I bet JDMRice2 will put some D1 Cars to shame (if not just looks wise, comparable mechanically too).:bowdown:

[hotrodman]

Man that doesn't look that bad to me. Looks repairable to me. I wish I could have the funds to hook my car up like he did.

I have been eyeballing this red '90 240sx that was imacullate until I saw it today. The poor bast*rd must have sideswiped a deer or an angery light post. I wonder if he will sell it to me. I want that factory front lip of his.

[mav1178]

Is it possible to drift well in totally stock 93 240sx SE coupe with no LSD??

Yes, but it takes a lot of control and skill to do it. I can get/keep the car sliding pretty good, and I have a 92 with mostly suspension mods and open diff and stock engine.

I am buying a stock one an was wondering how well you could or if you could?

Two words: Driver skill.

Also, can a 240sx do a second gear scratch?

Probably. But I have no idea what that is.

What are your techniques for driftinG?

Who cares what techniques there are for drifting, get a car and LEARN HOW TO DRIVE FIRST. I find it amusing that guys that want to drift have no basic concepts of car control and just want to start by asking about technique. All the different forms of "technique" to start a drift all involve car control techniques that are derived from road racing, or some sort of "grip" racing. If you have no basic concept of how the car handles at 10/10ths racing then you shouldn't be asking about techniques for drifting.

And if there is no LSD, is it toally impossible to get both rear wheels to spin, even if you are in water or something?

If you are asking this in regards to drifting, it is impossible to have both wheels spinning. One will always spin and one will always drag.

-alex

[mav1178]

Originally posted by hotrodman
Man that doesn't look that bad to me. Looks repairable to me. I wish I could have the funds to hook my car up like he did.


Doesn't look bad, but 1) frame is totaled, 2) front suspension destroyed, 3) engine pushed back, 4) frame totaled.

Sure it doesn't "look" bad but you don't know HOW or WHAT happened... 40MPH + 1.5ft in air + lightpole = totaled frame.

-alex

[Steeles]

Originally posted by mav1178
Doesn't look bad, but 1) frame is totaled, 2) front suspension destroyed, 3) engine pushed back, 4) frame totaled.

Sure it doesn't "look" bad but you don't know HOW or WHAT happened... 40MPH + 1.5ft in air + lightpole = totaled frame.

-alex

OUCH... he caugh air? damn:bowdown:

[ET Fukuoka]

I feel sorry for the light pole!! Well kids know what happens when you start drifting?? Look at the picture of JDMrice!! :bash:
Even in a controlled area you can damage your car!! Before you start drifting, save up alot of money...Now lets go brake some $hit:D