300zx drift 2+0 vs 2+2 [Archive] - Zilvia.net Forums | Nissan 240SX (Silvia) and Z (Fairlady) Car Forum

brendan90zx

01-16-2010, 05:58 PM

thinking about buyinghttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif (http://zilvia.net/f/motorsports-skilled-driving/300727-300zx-drift-2-2-2-0-a.html#) another 300zx, it is missing some stuff but it is a 1990 n/a auto 300zx 2+2 and it is 150 bucks, my current is a 1990 n/a 300zx 5 spd. On either of them i am going to do a motor swap with rb. Havent decided which one. and i will have the other one as my daily. I will be drifting with them. And i have heard that the 2+2 have a longer wheel base and is better for drifting. Cant decide which one will be the drifter, thinking the cheap one cause i am told it is better? and i would not have to take apart my car i drive currently. any ideas?

nsany(atl)

01-16-2010, 06:35 PM

all of the race cars were 2+2 chassis b/c they wre not as tail happy. The Z is an awful chassis to turn into a drift car. They tend to like to swap ends.

Zachsta

01-16-2010, 06:49 PM

There have been plenty of successful Z32 drift cars. If I were you, and wanted a project, I would pick up the 2+2 and swap it, either to RB as you want, or VG30DETT. The 2+2 was 8.5 inches longer then the 2 seater, which will give you a longer platform, that would be more stable.

C. Anderson

01-16-2010, 06:54 PM

Yeah I imagine the 2+2, because of the longer wheel base, would be better.

nsany(atl)

01-16-2010, 07:03 PM

lazysk8er2

01-16-2010, 07:19 PM

i would stick with a vg motor because its cheaper and makes crazy hp like an rb. its just a bitch to work on them and i never recommend anyone getting this car.

everything involves dropping the motor.

Zachsta

01-16-2010, 07:40 PM

any pic's of ones that have won at a top level of drifting

Not sure if any have " won ". I'm saying that there have been successful Z32 drift cars.

HyperTek

01-16-2010, 07:56 PM

holla at edgar hes the resident z32 2+2 guy on this forum
CAR FEATURE>> EDGAR'S SLAMMED & FUNCTIONAL Z32 - Speedhunters (http://speedhunters.com/archive/2009/11/24/car-feature-gt-gt-edgar-s-slammed-amp-functional-z32.aspx)

For $150, why should it even be questioned? lol you cant pass that deal up.

brendan90zx

01-16-2010, 08:10 PM

nathanong87

01-16-2010, 08:11 PM

Not sure if any have " won ". I'm saying that there have been successful Z32 drift cars.

post them.

brendan90zx

01-16-2010, 08:33 PM

YouTube - Nissan 300zx Drift (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKcshOig2qI)

YouTube - D1 Z32 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPN0K4W17vU&feature=related)

tt300zxFREAK

01-16-2010, 08:53 PM

2+2!! I love my 2+2 tt. RB would be sweet though.

mattheripper

01-16-2010, 09:11 PM

The Z is an awful chassis to turn into a drift car. They tend to like to swap ends.

What is the reason here?

Zachsta

01-16-2010, 09:36 PM

YouTube - Nissan 300zx Drift (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKcshOig2qI)

YouTube - D1 Z32 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPN0K4W17vU&feature=related)

To add to these,

Alexi from NoriYaro riding in one,

YouTube - Satoru Koyama's Z32 Fairlady at D1 Grand Prix (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2CaFo7ilGo)

Random Fairlady Z in Japan,

YouTube - SPIRANT Z32 ãƒ‰ãƒªãƒ•ãƒˆ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALVlsuJ1RZQ)

S2k and Z32,

YouTube - Drifting - S2000 vs. Nissan 300ZX (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HM2IIcZl1k)

One more,

YouTube - 300ZX drift (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv-MV77k5w4)

Anyway, back to discussion.

Moral to this all, if you feel like dropping the cash to build a Z32 drift car, why not do so? It can be done, has been done, definitely damn cool. 2+2 would probably be the better choice as it has the longer wheel base. Not going to be ANYWHERE as cheap to drift compared to a S Chassis. But props to you if you actually do it, I know I wanted to when I had my 2+2.

IIIXziuR

01-16-2010, 10:24 PM

Z32 for 150$, get it.
Even if you drive it into a wall and part it out.

Z32 are cool when they are done proper.
I think any car can be decent for drifting with the proper set-up.
But it also depends on time, money, etc...

nsany(atl)

01-16-2010, 11:07 PM

no Z32 ever in the top 30 in points. That's how you determine success.

Category:D1 Grand Prix seasons - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:D1_Grand_Prix_seasons)

Zachsta

01-16-2010, 11:22 PM

no Z32 ever in the top 30 in points. That's how you determine success.

Category:D1 Grand Prix seasons - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:D1_Grand_Prix_seasons)

Because everyone drifts for competition.

HyperTek

01-16-2010, 11:25 PM

fuck drift lol
sorry those stats dont mean shit.. if they can make wrx and evo into drift cars, and scions lol

nsany(atl)

01-16-2010, 11:26 PM

Because everyone drifts for competition.

the question was "would it be a good drift car" If it was good then people would use it. Look at the list, they are almost S chassis cars.

HyperTek

01-16-2010, 11:33 PM

cuz S chassis cars are cheap to replace and get parts for.

Seems like the 2+2 chassis is the way to go , seems like more jdm tuners prefer the longer chassis huh?

Chernobyl

01-16-2010, 11:57 PM

I think more 2+2s were sold in Japan, since they were offered with turbos over there?

Damn this thread for getting me looking at Z32s again. I used to have one like 10 years ago.

IIIXziuR

01-17-2010, 12:08 AM

Yeah I really like Z32s but most of the modified/tuned ones in North America looks like garbage.

AE_Racer

01-17-2010, 07:45 AM

Yeah I really like Z32s but most of the modified/tuned ones in North America looks like garbage.

THISSS

other than a select few, the best looking Z32's are, slammed ones with decent wheels.

lazysk8er2

01-17-2010, 08:16 AM

i prefered my z31 over the z32. similar suspension set up to the s13 while same comfort ride in the cabin like the z32.

nsany(atl)

01-17-2010, 08:16 AM

cuz S chassis cars are cheap to replace and get parts for.

Seems like the 2+2 chassis is the way to go , seems like more jdm tuners prefer the longer chassis huh?

the s chassis is more balanced and forgiving, thats why

i prefered my z31 over the z32. similar suspension set up to the s13 while same comfort ride in the cabin like the z32.

the Z31 makes a great drag car, but they engineered too much anti-squat into the Z32 based on the complaints of z31 owners. The suspension geometry was completley changed by Lotus for all the "Stock" chassis race cars.

Katsumbhong

01-17-2010, 10:56 AM

Regardless if you are going to go all out with the car, $150 for a Z32, you are smoking mad amounts of crack if you don't pick that baby up!

Zachsta

01-17-2010, 11:07 AM

Regardless if you are going to go all out with the car, $150 for a Z32, you are smoking mad amounts of crack if you don't pick that baby up!

Yeah, it's true.

Even just clean it up and sell it for more then you paid, even if you sell it as a roller.

WangonwWarrior

01-17-2010, 11:13 AM

just buy it lol

simmode1

01-17-2010, 01:35 PM

Yeah I really like Z32s but most of the modified/tuned ones in North America looks like garbage.

:stupid: Just google "Best Looking Zs Ever" thread... It's pretty depressing.

articdragon192

01-17-2010, 08:55 PM

2+2 is the way to go. 2 seaters are twitchy. Suspension is almost identical to R32s. And those get drifted pretty commonly as well. NAs come without HICAS so that'll be a better choice as well. Swap in a more powerful motor once you have gotten accustomed to the chassis. The main thing holding the Z32 back is its lack of steering angle. But that's nothing some tie rod end spacers can't fix. Also angle kits are available to increase steering angle as well.
There is a ton of weight in a stock Z as well. If you're drifting it stock interioir and with no weight reduction, expect a TON of weight shift. People who have ridden with me or driven my car know this very well. However, if you do substantial weight reduction, you can put it under 3000 lbs. Most of the weight is in luxury items in the car.
With that said, for $150, ill pick it up, lol!

RB24_S14

01-17-2010, 09:34 PM

brendan90zx

01-17-2010, 11:37 PM

well yeah my main question was drift my 2+0 or the 2+2, because i have been drifting my 2+0 for about a year now, and am about to buy an rb26, and i just by chance came up on this 2+2. it was going to go into 2+0 before. And i currently have coilovers, tension rods and all those goodies, and also have the powered by max kit super angle kit about to go onto it. But now all of this will be going into my newly found 2+2 for 150 bucks which i will gut out and make it a purely drift car. Thanks for all the input

brendan90zx

01-17-2010, 11:50 PM

300zx's are sexy!. But when they are modded by TRUE JDM people. I hate it when I see ugly fish aero kits on the 300zx. If you get a 300zx 2+2. Replace that horrible manifold! Get the VG30DETT...Get 99' conversion, bumper, lights, sideskirts and the drop it! and camber in some Meisters...the result is a BALLER car.

i hate about every other 300zx out there lol HATE the stupid kits they have for them, they make nothing good for them, selective few items, i actually had to make my own roof spoiler, because they only make like 1 or 2 and i dont like them and they cost an arm and a leg, so i custom made one out of fiberglass

articdragon192

01-18-2010, 12:22 AM

There are a bunch of good parts for Z32s. You just haven't been looking hard enough.

brendan90zx

01-18-2010, 01:03 AM

There are a bunch of good parts for Z32s. You just haven't been looking hard enough.

not necessarily parts, but body parts, plenty of good performance options

articdragon192

01-18-2010, 02:27 AM

I was refering to body parts. Stillen, kouki aero, Greddy, WW, etc. Just gotta figure out hot to execute. That's the main point where Z owners fail. In their execution of the whole package.

brendan90zx

01-18-2010, 02:21 PM

yeah i agree, i only really like the greddy front which i have, and the jspec front, and couple others, im just putting it into perspective of all the options 240s have

IIIXziuR

01-18-2010, 02:34 PM

TBO has a few cool Zed aero parts too. Just expensive to get brought over here.

articdragon192

01-19-2010, 12:55 AM

Lots of places do, just most of the cheapie companies have made god awful replicas of them yet. And most of the bad replicas are of bad kits, lmao

Taniguchi_Is_#1

01-19-2010, 01:06 AM

as far as body parts go, oem kouki parts are a necessity for any 1990's nissan. nissan has a knack for figuring out how to make a car look better the second time around. lol.

RicerX

01-20-2010, 09:54 PM

i want a z32.

http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/6886/p2.jpg
http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/4754/pbestzevah3.jpg
http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/4048/pwow1sh9.jpg
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/5673/022xw5.jpg
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/3084/turbokun3002000img600x3ut2.jpg

HyperTek

01-20-2010, 10:09 PM

wow that white vert is gorgeous.. i wanted a vert b4.

nsany(atl)

01-21-2010, 04:27 AM

google "Pentroof Z32"

RB24_S14

01-23-2010, 11:16 AM

I really want a 1999 300zx TT! My dream car! I just hate that manifold! :cry: I wonder if one has ever been imported to the US..

RB24_S14

01-23-2010, 11:24 AM

i hate about every other 300zx out there lol HATE the stupid kits they have for them, they make nothing good for them, selective few items, i actually had to make my own roof spoiler, because they only make like 1 or 2 and i dont like them and they cost an arm and a leg, so i custom made one out of fiberglass

I know exactly what you mean! I owned a 300zx before and the parts are sooooo expensive. They were actually more expensive then the 350Z I had. The engine sucks to work with also. The wiring also sucks and you can never let it get wet!. But after everything, I would get one regardless. I would never buy a 1990-1994 thought! I recommend everyone to buy a 1996. Save yourself thousands!

FusionR240sx

01-23-2010, 04:09 PM

2+2
i just don't like the length.
too me it looks funny.
had one before.
gotta 2+0 now.
wont be movin for another 3 months.

articdragon192

01-23-2010, 10:53 PM

I know exactly what you mean! I owned a 300zx before and the parts are sooooo expensive. They were actually more expensive then the 350Z I had. The engine sucks to work with also. The wiring also sucks and you can never let it get wet!. But after everything, I would get one regardless. I would never buy a 1990-1994 thought! I recommend everyone to buy a 1996. Save yourself thousands!

96 is actually the worst year to get. OBD-II and lack of VTC. Made the least power out of all the Zs and is the heaviest.

2+2
i just don't like the length.
too me it looks funny.
had one before.
gotta 2+0 now.
wont be movin for another 3 months.

The 2+0 looks stubby IMO. But to each their own. I love the length of the 2+2 and have done everything to exaggerate it even more :)

FusionR240sx

01-24-2010, 01:32 PM

96 is actually the worst year to get. OBD-II and lack of VTC. Made the least power out of all the Zs and is the heaviest.

The 2+0 looks stubby IMO. But to each their own. I love the length of the 2+2 and have done everything to exaggerate it even more :)

yupp everyone has their own opinions.
bigger wheels on a 2+2 makes it look better as well.
i wouldn't ever think of putting 19's on a 2+0 it would look retarded.

your car is perfect.
i just want to put some jdm tails on there for you :bigok:

articdragon192

01-24-2010, 06:19 PM

Same here bud. But funds go elsewhere haha. Jspecs will come in time.

jay pee

02-09-2010, 01:02 PM

YouTube - Nissan 300zx Drift (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKcshOig2qI)

YouTube - D1 Z32 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPN0K4W17vU&feature=related)

nice man...nvr seen a z drift like that, only ones ive seen drifting are usually spinning out. good luck with ur ride

udon!

02-09-2010, 01:07 PM

my friends z32 2+0 is a fine platform for drifting. its all about skill level i think

brendan90zx

02-17-2010, 10:41 AM

i appreciate everyones input here is my current setuphttp://i974.photobucket.com/albums/ae230/brendan90zx/drifting/IMG_34401.jpg
http://i974.photobucket.com/albums/ae230/brendan90zx/drifting/IMG_37151.jpg

brendan90zx

02-17-2010, 10:45 AM

here is my new 2+2 project ;)
http://i974.photobucket.com/albums/ae230/brendan90zx/new%20project/HPIM0403.jpg
http://i974.photobucket.com/albums/ae230/brendan90zx/new%20project/rb25.jpg

s13dan

02-17-2010, 11:00 AM

Z32 is a very tunable chassis.I've seen more than a few drifting and looking good doing it. Fucking sweet deal and keep us posted on the build.

SportCompacts Z32 project. My fav of all time, and one bad mofo.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v304/S13Dan/300zx.jpg

midnight zenki

02-17-2010, 03:33 PM

Nice project please document a build in one form or another. I've always wanted to see a detailed build of an RB 300ZX

brendan90zx

02-17-2010, 05:18 PM

will do, the motor is currently completely apart, i will post pics soon

civilized_drifter

02-18-2010, 03:21 PM

brendan90zx

02-18-2010, 09:44 PM

in this video who makes this roof spoiler?
YouTube - D1 Z32 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPN0K4W17vU&feature=related)

i have a 92 2+0 na slicktop and it slides out easy
i would like to take it to an event in the future when i get coils and see how it realy does
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j91/STidragster/300zx/15747_364765075248_669825248_999471.jpg

i believe that is the dmax roof spoiler..i made my own lol
http://i974.photobucket.com/albums/ae230/brendan90zx/drifting/IMG_38941.jpg
and yeah you really should, they are better than people think, just not as easy as a 240, but if you daily drive your 300 as i do you know your car way better and can drift alot better than most would think, coilovers by far were the best investment i have bought for my car so far.