What Is A Easy Way To Gain Torque In A Ka24E Sohc Engine???

[LadyJdm]

Hi Everyone! I Have A Few Questions To Ask About ,"How To Gain Torque",
I'm Still New To The World Of Motors...

[So PLEASE BARE WITH ME!!!] [ >_<;]

I just bought a s13 coupe with a ka24e single cam engine, works good! but i'm planning on tuning the engine, for all motor.

I heard a couple easy ways to gain torque, but i wanted to ask for sure if it REALLY works, i see forums online, but they still don't give me a good example about the plus & negatives about it, and so here are my questions!

I heard you can gain EASY torque if you install a 350z clutch and also a rb20 flywheel?

Couple Of people online have seen it done and also have experiences with it also, so are they pretty easy to install? and is it really true about if you install these 2 things, its one of the easiest ways to gain easy torque???

:2f2f:

[ericcastro]

why do you need more torque?
just curious?
Might be easier for us to help you if we knew your end goal and reason.

From what I hear, all motor builds are extremely expensive and are only really for guys that are running certain racing classes where you need to have the stock engine.

[NismoDriverS13]

why would u even keep KA24E??? get engine swap, go for KA24DE, SR's, RB's.

KA24E's are crap imo. im rockin my KA24e for now till i get a G, then swap that shit out of there.

it's just not worth spending money on a ka24e......

[I LUV MY S13]

ka24e are good motors...

[Ben G]

install rb... torque complete

[LadyJdm]

well everyone has a ka dohc,rb20, or sr20, i want to be alittle different in my engine tuning, and also, right now im in the process of having a drift/daily car, my single cam is good, but i want alittle more punch when i hit higher revs, and i also canyon, so i do need more power to go up hill also.

i was thinking bout going dual cam, but i want to mess around with the single cam motor 1st so i can learn from my mistakes before i go for a bigger motor =)

but my question is does a 350z clutch & rb20 flywhell really help with that much torque???

[Katsumbhong]

Basic Bolt ons would be the easiest way to get a little more torque.

*4-2-1 headers vs 4-1 headers like BBP Headers
*Intake
*Exhaust system

The sure-fire way is turbocharge your car... but you'll be needing to upgrade the fuel system and you'll need to tune the ECU, along with needing to run oil feed and drain lines.

KA engines are torquey vs. NA SR engines from my experience


Instead of concentrating on power (if you are planning to autocross the car or take it to the track), concentrate on suspension, coilovers, adjustable arms, Wheels, and good tires.

[Touge Noob S13]

A nice exhaust or any other little bolt-on like that, you arent going to be making much but its something at least.

[Katsumbhong]

well everyone has a ka dohc,rb20, or sr20, i want to be alittle different in my engine tuning, and also, right now im in the process of having a drift/daily car, my single cam is good, but i want alittle more punch when i hit higher revs, and i also canyon, so i do need more power to go up hill also.

i was thinking bout going dual cam, but i want to mess around with the single cam motor 1st so i can learn from my mistakes before i go for a bigger motor =)

but my question is does a 350z clutch & rb20 flywhell really help with that much torque???

Don't know about the 350/rb combo, but you can always run a white bunny set up
Everday Tuning: The White Bunny Special (http://mainichituning.blogspot.com/2008/09/white-bunny-special.html)

Swapping out clutches don't up torque, but allow you to run higher torque numbers w/o torque slip


White bunny clutch swap gives you more tractable area on the clutch surface.

[LadyJdm]

well i have a apexi ws noir exhaust system,megan coilovers and a injen intake system also, but i will look for headers, ive been meaning to go buy some =)

and oo thanx bout the white bunny special!! i will read up on that! sounds intresting ^_^

[NismoDriverS13]

i think the KA24e's are a hard engine to work on, too much shit in the wrong or just can't reach most parts.

think about running itb's (individual throttle bodies) that's a nice bolt-on too.

i knew a guy with itb's on ka24e and it sounded, performed, and looked SICK!!!

[240sxrb25]

cant reach most part???!!
what ka24e's are you wokring on?

my ka24e 240 car is a dream to work on compared to my rb25 240

[LadyJdm]

oo ive seen a some nice throttle bodies on dual cams, and yeah single cam motors are hard, i had to replace my starter and alternator and its way harder on a single cam then a dual cam cause everything is so jam packed! >_<

but i will put that on my list as well about the throttle bodies, i totally forgot bout them!

[ericcastro]

The KA24e is actually the engine of choice for building all motor KA's.

The KA will be more torque than an SR, and street legal.

whats your suspension?

suspension will make you faster.
track time will make you faster.
5-10 more hp on a KA with no track time isnt gonna do anything for your ability to drive fast and beat people.

go to the track with your money and learn the right way.
I ran a SOHC with shocks, springs and a VLSD for 2 years.
I used to chase down WRX's, S2000's, and even a DB9 at the track.
Its driver and seat time over power and engine.

see you at the track, right??

[NismoDriverS13]

^^ yea if u find any and there are extras, hook it up then!!! hehe.

yea, my hands are big and there is just too many effin wires, cramped up parts...... everytime i work on the car i get some great yoga exercises. LOL!

good luck with ur single slammer....hehe

[LadyJdm]

i have megan coilover 32 adjustables, im thinking bout a new setup tho, cause i bought the car with the megans and i want a much more smoother ride but can also be agressive also, and for me, i want to learn how to drift, not for competion but to just drift, i feel like i need more power, and i like doing things different than others also, and a built ka24e will be a great start!

[LadyJdm]

^^ yea if u find any and there are extras, hook it up then!!! hehe.

yea, my hands are big and there is just too many effin wires, cramped up parts...... everytime i work on the car i get some great yoga exercises. LOL!

good luck with ur single slammer....hehe

and thanx for the support ^__^

[ericcastro]

i have megan coilover 32 adjustables, im thinking bout a new setup tho, cause i bought the car with the megans and i want a much more smoother ride but can also be agressive also, and for me, i want to learn how to drift, not for competion but to just drift, ive touge in the canyons, and chase down bmws,s2ks,240s,and the ocasional subarus/lancers but for me, i feel like i need more power, and i like doing things different than others also, and a built ka24e will be a great start!

Well, it sounds like its time to come out to the track and learn to drift.
Like you are now, and alot of members, I started in the canyon and industrial areas.
But i really didnt learn shit till i started going to the track.
i learned more in 2 events of drifting then i had in an entire year on the touge.

FYI, talking in depth about street drifting or canyons is pretty much a no-no here.
we all may have a spirited drive from time to time, but we try and keep people on the track and above the ground.

[ManoNegra]

but my question is does a 350z clutch & rb20 flywhell really help with that much torque???

Don't know about the 350/rb combo, but you can always run a white bunny set up
Everday Tuning: The White Bunny Special (http://mainichituning.blogspot.com/2008/09/white-bunny-special.html)

Swapping out clutches don't up torque, but allow you to run higher torque numbers w/o torque slip


White bunny clutch swap gives you more tractable area on the clutch surface.

a white bunny setup (aswell as the 350z set up) gives you a larger clamping
area on the clutch.
This allows you to hold more torque when doing a KA-T, for example, while retaining OEM feel and travel.


i have megan coilover 32 adjustables, im thinking bout a new setup tho, cause i bought the car with the megans and i want a much more smoother ride but can also be agressive also, and for me, i want to learn how to drift, not for competion but to just drift, ive touge in the canyons, and chase down bmws,s2ks,240s,and the ocasional subarus/lancers but for me, i feel like i need more power, and i like doing things different than others also, and a built ka24e will be a great start!

If you're looking to drift I would recommend to just do basic maintenance on your SOHC for now
since after a little while you're most likely going to want more power
and will probably swap your motor out.

and an aside, something I've heard:
the reason SOHC NA power was so well developed was because of restrictions imposed to 4 valve motors back then
from talking to people with experience, the DOHC when developed is actually more capable
but that takes $$$$$

[g6civcx]

A tuneup is the best thing you can do for a 20 year old motor short of a rebuild.

If you still insist on the single cam: Nissan KA24E SCCA GT3 Race Engine Spec Sheet (http://www.race-cars.com/engsales/other/1059606209/1059606209ss.htm)

Performance doesn't come cheaply.

[shiftdrift]

obx 4-2-1 header (better than hotshot), 3" test pipe and 3" exhaust, a real cold air intake, not just a filter. extra 25whp/idk how much torque right there. but as mentioned, a lot of people overlook suspension, it is crucial, as well as a differential.

[ericcastro]

obx 4-2-1 header (better than hotshot), 3" test pipe and 3" exhaust, a real cold air intake, not just a filter. extra 25whp...............
So basic exhaust and intake will put you just under a S13 SR HP ?
no way.

And imo, you will keep more lower end power and torque by NOT going with a 3" exhaust. you want the back pressure with a KA.



:lockd::lockd::lockd:

[redline racer510]

Even with full bolt ons you wont feel much of an improvement in torque. The only sure fire way of getting more torque is getting everything (headers,exhaust,intake,cams)tuned using something along the lines of an aem ems, but even then this is not a cost effective or efficient way of getting power.Save-up and go turbo IMHO, thats what I am planning on doing and trust me you will be more than satisfied with a KA-T.

[Katsumbhong]

obx 4-2-1 header (better than hotshot), 3" test pipe and 3" exhaust, a real cold air intake, not just a filter. extra 25whp/idk....

I think your butt dyno is broken.

Maybe... and that's a big MAYBE, 25hp at the crank

KA's are horrible at power gains when it comes to bolt-on NA performance. KA's shine when it comes to forced induction though:
Everday Tuning: KA24DE... the Red Headed Stepchild (http://mainichituning.blogspot.com/2008/09/ka24de-red-headed-stepchild.html)

[shiftdrift]

this isn't a dohc. it is a sohc for one, for two a 3" exhaust is PROVEN TO MAKE MORE POWER EVEN ON NA SETUPS. maybe you should do some research.

[shiftdrift]

but yes, just go turbo.

[Katsumbhong]

this isn't a dohc. it is a sohc for one, for two a 3" exhaust is PROVEN TO MAKE MORE POWER EVEN ON NA SETUPS. maybe you should do some research.

I know it's a SOHC numbnuts, information I posted is relative to both the single cam and dual cam KA. The only big difference is that one has a re-designed head that incorportates a dual cam set up. Any exhaust that flows more than an anemic stock exhaust will net power, but the KA sucks at making power with bolt on's compared to other engines. You should crawl back into your mother's womb for a few months, hopefully your brain can fully develop there.

[shiftdrift]

but we are talking about the ka, not other engines. i'm just saying, i/e will give you 25 extra ponies. my friend actually dynoed his sohc after doing what i mentioned and had 25whp more. don't ask forthe sheet,because this was 5 years ago....don't get all butthurt. it's just my opinion after all.

[ericcastro]

but we are talking about the ka, not other engines. i'm just saying, i/e will give you 25 extra ponies. my friend actually dynoed his sohc after doing what i mentioned and had 25whp more. don't ask forthe sheet,because this was 5 years ago....don't get all butthurt. it's just my opinion after all.

it is your opinion.
I have been running a SOHC for a few years now and owned my first S13 when you were about 6.

you will gain about 3 HP on the VERY top end running that 3" exhaust.
But you will loose that much on the bottom, where the torque is, where your canyon RPM's are, where your drift RPM's are.
You can feel a HUGE difference on the bottom end when you go back from shitty 3" exhaust with a N1 muffler, to stock.

[shiftdrift]

......i slide at 6-6500 in my sohc, my 3" exhaust does just fine

[ericcastro]

in second gear right?
but if your clutch kicking, your RPM's are much lower to make wheel spin.
I have been drifting my SOHC before you got your license ;)

[shiftdrift]

in second gear right?
but if your clutch kicking, your RPM's are much lower to make wheel spin.
I have been drifting my SOHC before you got your license ;)
yeah, 2nd gear, 3rd gear ka's just fall on their face and say fuck me. i clutch kick a bit, feint a bit. never e-brake. alright, your point?

[ericcastro]

........ alright, your point?
Your just talking.
Everything I say, you try and shoot down.
So I'm just letting you know you don't know it all.



To the OP, if you REALLY want to build a KA engine, talk to Mario (let5lide), he has a built KA and several in the garage.
And with all his building, cams,headers, exhaust,intake and a tune, he still hasn't gained 25HP.

[DALAZ_68]

To the OP, if you REALLY want to build a KA engine, talk to Mario (let5lide), he has a built KA and several in the garage.
And with all his building, cams,headers, exhaust,intake and a tune, he still hasn't gained 25HP.


still though, he does great work and has a pretty car :D

[shiftdrift]

nah, just discussing man, i'm not trying to shoot anyone down. you seem like a cool guy because for one, your still rocking the sohc. i know i don't know it all, i don't claim to, i stated that is my opinion/my friend did it. i have a LOT to learn and try to do that daily. i do all my own car work so i can teach myself shit. reading stuff only gets you so far afterall.

[ericcastro]

nah, just discussing man, i'm not trying to shoot anyone down. you seem like a cool guy because for one, your still rocking the sohc. i know i don't know it all, i don't claim to, i stated that is my opinion/my friend did it. i have a LOT to learn and try to do that daily. i do all my own car work so i can teach myself shit. reading stuff only gets you so far afterall.
Thats a great attitude, and its great your drifting a KA. at least for now. its a easier engine to learn grip and drift on because it doesnt have the turbo issues and takes more work.
But you will be better in the end because of it.

Your homies numbers are off though, trust us.
25 hp in a KA that easy?
that would put it at about 165hpish.
S13 SR's are 180 hp.

If it was that easy, everyone would do it.




To the OP,
there are small things you can do but the engine will no longer be smog legal.
I have an electric fan from a Ford Taurus.
I have no EGR crap at all.
Got rid of the water lines that heat the intake.
got rid of AC.
It all makes a feelable difference.

[sickstatus]

I was straight pipe with a 3inch tanabe exhaust/downpipr for a lil bit. Sold exhuast n put stock exhuast with the downpipe. It honestly felt fast n pulled harder. My friends drove it n noticed a difference also.


Hi Lilly!! Ur funny. Lolol. See u tomorow.

[s13 @ fullboost]

Come over let me adjust your timing for you. I will advance it a few degrees it will run cooler, more power, and better MPG. and if you find a header for it I will slap it on for you. I would look at some pacemakers. Just lmk you have my number see you tomorrow night at the meet.

[shiftdrift]

yeah, i'm sliding the ka till summertime or when it blows up and then doing a ca swap. just going small build, sr t25 @ 12lbs, front mount, manifold, downpipe, you know, small stuff. not enough to worry about tuning that much so i'll just use a safc and fpr should net me somewhere between 220-240whp and around the same tq. plenty to slide on. i had an na sr20de s13 and it was gimp. real gimp.

[sickstatus]

we can do that for her for free hasan. stop trying to hustle my cousin lolol

[LadyJdm]

we can do that for her for free hasan. stop trying to hustle my cousin lolol

haha thats funny! =) but sorry guys i cant come on wesenday! working till 11pm!! T_T

and wow thats alot of good ideas from everyone,but yes my question is
"HOW TO GAIN TORQUE IN A SOHC"

i would think twice about a dohc but i want to learn 1 step at a time, and money isnt my issue, because its a passion<3
but i will turbo my car, that is the easiest ideal way to gain that boost easy, but i do want to see if i can make a sohc engine a monster! but of course i want to see if i can gain as much power as i can on all motor, and if it doesnt cut out then ill turbo!<3

and yes! i do need to go to the tracks, ive been praticing, but i need to go on the track and learn more from other experienced drives now and find the right setup&style for drifting.

[joshchewuhh]

the sohc is a great motor to start out drifting with, you can squeeze out power by car control.

Daily/Drifted on a sohc for about a year drifted just fine.

[LadyJdm]

thats what im saying, i mean its a smaller motor then a dohc and sr / rb etc but it has alot of potenial, everytime i go out to meet in los angles everyone trips on my car cause i have a sohc and i drift just as fine as anyone else ive seen with a sr/rb/dohc<3

and plus i save more mpg then most hehe ^______________^

[foreverdark]

LadyJDM

Listen to advice ericCastro has to say. I started off with a KA24DE around June last year and have been drifting since then. It had some headers, intake, and 2.5"exhaust. I pretty much maxed out how far I could go with this motor NA. If you plan on tracking it I suggest you work on your suspension setup. It makes all the difference in the world. I had my last event with the motor about 3 weeks ago and am now moving on to a RB.

[Jacob'S13]

to the top. just get the simple stuff. iono why its always a battle field in every thread here in zilvia. but w/e it dont bother me. just takes longer to read the more important stuff.

anyways. there no cheap way to gain hp/torque. you gotta pay to play. but if your keeping your SOHC then just go with bolt-ons.

Intake
header
full cat back exhaust
delete your EGR and all that emission stuff= FREE unless you get busted lol
E-fan

then if you want more and need more
fuel injector
fuel rail
FPR
light flywheel
stage 1 clutch will work jst fine

then maybe a VLSD or a welded diff so you can put all that power to both rear wheels

goodluck

[Devens240]

this has to be fake

[I LUV MY S13]

it is your opinion.
I have been running a SOHC for a few years now and owned my first S13 when you were about 6.

you will gain about 3 HP on the VERY top end running that 3" exhaust.
But you will loose that much on the bottom, where the torque is, where your canyon RPM's are, where your drift RPM's are.
You can feel a HUGE difference on the bottom end when you go back from shitty 3" exhaust with a N1 muffler, to stock.


i can vouch for this...ran 3 inch piping with a 4 inch tip,k went back to stock for about a week and it felt better! i honestly thought i was tripping or something, but going back to stock made little to no difference..i have a fidanza aluminum flywheel, injen intake, exedy clutch, short shifter, no ac/pulley, wlabro fuel pump...my sohc whooped on my friends s14 dohc with 87k on it..im at 204k miles and still running strong

[redline racer510]

I say the best way to increase torque is to go with intake header and exhaust and get it tuned to squeeze a little bit more power out of it.

[hOngsterr]

but we are talking about the ka, not other engines. i'm just saying, i/e will give you 25 extra ponies. my friend actually dynoed his sohc after doing what i mentioned and had 25whp more. don't ask forthe sheet,because this was 5 years ago....don't get all butthurt. it's just my opinion after all.


lol 5 years ago was when you were 14,


To the OP, if you REALLY want to build a KA engine, talk to Mario (let5lide), he has a built KA and several in the garage.
And with all his building, cams,headers, exhaust,intake and a tune, he still hasn't gained 25HP.

i talked to mario about building my DE, i think he must of felt that
i was just a kid talking outta my ass about him
building me a KA-T
=/

[SochBAT]

Well, basics.

If you want peppy, 2.25" piping.
Drop the AC. Deadweight. Cooling is for bitches.
Crank Pulley. MUST HAVE.
Aluminum driveshaft!
Non-restrictive Intake (cone, dome, sock)
grippy tires.

[Rag]

My checklist/formula for drifting an n/a ka24e:

-before you even get knee deep do a compression test, ensure you have a worthwhile engine.

-plugs, wires, cap, rotor. basically any maintenance drive-ability crap

-a stock clutch is fine, ensure it's engaging and holding properly is all

-50-80psi in rear tires depending on surface

-PROPER ALIGNMENT!!!!!!! i run max negative camber front, zero camber rear, 8.5 degrees caster, zero toe front and rear

-solid/stiffer mounts in drivetrain. My way of explaining this is movement=use of kinetic energy. No slop in engine mounts, control arms, trans and subframe will transfer energy through the drivetrain will less loss

-coilovers help make the most of your power, or lack of in this case. I personally run the rear full stiff and front almost full soft.

-differential helps immensely (IMHO=2way>welded>shimed-VLSD>1.5way>VLSD)

-shed any unessential weight possible. I took it a bit far with my car but my goal was to learn as fast as i could and get the most out of my event fee.

-lighten the rotating mass. lightweight wheels, electric fan and consider an aluminum driveshaft

-personally i do not like lightweight flywheels on a n/a ka24e only because you will be clutch kicking and the inertia a stock flywheel carries can/will help you keep those revs higher when you drop the clutch. this is mere personal preference

-I striped the bay of ALL emissions for reliability. Last thing i want to do at the track is chase vacuum leaks or deal with crap int eh way while working in the engine bay.

-run small tire/wheel combo in the rear in most surfaces. i run 195/50r15 rear. 215/50r15 front.

-breathing easy= header, short ram intake, exhaust, test pipe, remove butterflies in intake manifold

-run premium and advance timing, proper care must be taken here to ensure drive-ability is not sacrificed

-my 4.36 final drive is BY FAR my favorite modification to my drift car. The ability to use 3rd gear is vastly improved, although 2nd gear suffers a bit i do my best to enter as fast as i can to carry as much momentum.

-track time

-track time

-track time

-TRACK TIME, i cannot stress this enough. You learn exponentially faster on the track compared to the street. Stay off the streets, by drifting anywhere but legal lots/tracks you are stabbing the entire community in the back.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/ireameri/240sx/4044287665_01e5c64de4_b.jpg?t=1260939328
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/ireameri/240sx/5609001.jpg?t=1260940256

I'm no prodigy, I have a lot to learn but i give you my advice. Hopefuly it helps others. BTW, sorry for the grammar, firefox spellcheck has been iffy hahaha

[usdm180sx]

Why even fuck around, turbo that bitch right charlie?

[essforteen]

Yea i wouldnt bother trying to get power NA its too expensive and difficult!
While turboing your SOHC you will get more power than a stock sr, with only 8lbs of boost.
You dont need built internals just MAKE SURE you have a GOOOD tune and injectors to compensate.
A buddy of mine has built a SOHC-T and has been running strong scince early summer!
Which ive helped.
But best advice is to learn with what you have and when you feal the power is really
limmiting your improvement then think about going turbo!! Best BAngg for your BUcK!!
Here is the build of my buddy's car!
http://zilvia.net/f/chat/252559-my-ka24e-t-build.html
which now has been sold to Charlie!!

[JaeTea]

Unless you're going to turbo it..get it the fuck out.

[Couped_up'd]

I got away to get alot of torque out of it.

Install a LS1

[ericcastro]

My checklist/formula for drifting an n/a ka24e:

-before you even get knee deep do a compression test, ensure you have a worthwhile engine.

-plugs, wires, cap, rotor. basically any maintenance drive-ability crap

-a stock clutch is fine, ensure it's engaging and holding properly is all

-50-80psi in rear tires depending on surface

-PROPER ALIGNMENT!!!!!!! i run max negative camber front, zero camber rear, 8.5 degrees caster, zero toe front and rear

-solid/stiffer mounts in drivetrain. My way of explaining this is movement=use of kinetic energy. No slop in engine mounts, control arms, trans and subframe will transfer energy through the drivetrain will less loss

-coilovers help make the most of your power, or lack of in this case. I personally run the rear full stiff and front almost full soft.

-differential helps immensely (IMHO=2way>welded>shimed-VLSD>1.5way>VLSD)

-shed any unessential weight possible. I took it a bit far with my car but my goal was to learn as fast as i could and get the most out of my event fee.

-lighten the rotating mass. lightweight wheels, electric fan and consider an aluminum driveshaft

-personally i do not like lightweight flywheels on a n/a ka24e only because you will be clutch kicking and the inertia a stock flywheel carries can/will help you keep those revs higher when you drop the clutch. this is mere personal preference

-I striped the bay of ALL emissions for reliability. Last thing i want to do at the track is chase vacuum leaks or deal with crap int eh way while working in the engine bay.

-run small tire/wheel combo in the rear in most surfaces. i run 195/50r15 rear. 215/50r15 front.

-breathing easy= header, short ram intake, exhaust, test pipe, remove butterflies in intake manifold

-run premium and advance timing, proper care must be taken here to ensure drive-ability is not sacrificed

-my 4.36 final drive is BY FAR my favorite modification to my drift car. The ability to use 3rd gear is vastly improved, although 2nd gear suffers a bit i do my best to enter as fast as i can to carry as much momentum.

-track time

-track time

-track time

-TRACK TIME, i cannot stress this enough. You learn exponentially faster on the track compared to the street. Stay off the streets, by drifting anywhere but legal lots/tracks you are stabbing the entire community in the back.

I'm no prodigy, I have a lot to learn but i give you my advice. Hopefuly it helps others. BTW, sorry for the grammar, firefox spellcheck has been iffy hahaha

Best post here.
a combination of all us with true SOHC track experinece combined and more.
you good sir, receive this.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f3/Green.PNG

[DALAZ_68]

My checklist/formula for drifting an n/a ka24e:

-before you even get knee deep do a compression test, ensure you have a worthwhile engine.

-plugs, wires, cap, rotor. basically any maintenance drive-ability crap

-a stock clutch is fine, ensure it's engaging and holding properly is all

-50-80psi in rear tires depending on surface

-PROPER ALIGNMENT!!!!!!! i run max negative camber front, zero camber rear, 8.5 degrees caster, zero toe front and rear

-solid/stiffer mounts in drivetrain. My way of explaining this is movement=use of kinetic energy. No slop in engine mounts, control arms, trans and subframe will transfer energy through the drivetrain will less loss

-coilovers help make the most of your power, or lack of in this case. I personally run the rear full stiff and front almost full soft.

-differential helps immensely (IMHO=2way>welded>shimed-VLSD>1.5way>VLSD)

-shed any unessential weight possible. I took it a bit far with my car but my goal was to learn as fast as i could and get the most out of my event fee.

-lighten the rotating mass. lightweight wheels, electric fan and consider an aluminum driveshaft

-personally i do not like lightweight flywheels on a n/a ka24e only because you will be clutch kicking and the inertia a stock flywheel carries can/will help you keep those revs higher when you drop the clutch. this is mere personal preference

-I striped the bay of ALL emissions for reliability. Last thing i want to do at the track is chase vacuum leaks or deal with crap int eh way while working in the engine bay.

-run small tire/wheel combo in the rear in most surfaces. i run 195/50r15 rear. 215/50r15 front.

-breathing easy= header, short ram intake, exhaust, test pipe, remove butterflies in intake manifold

-run premium and advance timing, proper care must be taken here to ensure drive-ability is not sacrificed

-my 4.36 final drive is BY FAR my favorite modification to my drift car. The ability to use 3rd gear is vastly improved, although 2nd gear suffers a bit i do my best to enter as fast as i can to carry as much momentum.

-track time

-track time

-track time

-TRACK TIME, i cannot stress this enough. You learn exponentially faster on the track compared to the street. Stay off the streets, by drifting anywhere but legal lots/tracks you are stabbing the entire community in the back.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/ireameri/240sx/4044287665_01e5c64de4_b.jpg?t=1260939328
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/ireameri/240sx/5609001.jpg?t=1260940256

I'm no prodigy, I have a lot to learn but i give you my advice. Hopefuly it helps others. BTW, sorry for the grammar, firefox spellcheck has been iffy hahaha


.../Thread

[LadyJdm]

thanx rag! thats alot of good info, and the info i want!

***PLEASE EVERYONE STOP TELLING ME TO SWAP MY MOTOR I'M ASKING TO TUNE A KA24E SOHC ENGINE, NOT TO FIND MORE POWER AND GO CRAZY, IF I DID, I WOULD OF DONE IT ALREADY AND ASKED ABOUT A FORUM TO DO A DOHC OR A RB20 Or OF GONE TURBO FORUM INSTEAD, IF YOU THINK IM WASTING MY TIME WITH THE MOTOR

***THEN THIS ISNT THE FORUM FOR YOU TO POST ON***

And I THINK YOU DONT CARE AS MUCH AS TO LEARN TO DRIVE THEN JUST GO CRAZY WITH POWER AND NOT LEARNING BOUT YOUR CAR***


and for my car i have a injen intake in the engine, and everything is stock besides coilovers,suspension,ghutted out,excedy stage 1 clutch,all the sway/strut/engine/trunk bars you can think of, and i have a 2way kazz lsd,I bought this car from a good friend of my cousins, hes REALLY good at drifting and the most unbelievealbe stunts! and i trust about hes quotes about how to really drive your car, then show it off and not know how to control it at all, ive seen people who have rb20s turbo and they cant handle a sohc engine while drifting, so that told me i had to learn step by step to gain the most experience then most people. and i want to learn to drift, not drag people........

[S13 curtis]

install rb... torque complete

I lol'd...

[Drift N Dragg]

thanx rag! thats alot of good info, and the info i want!

***PLEASE EVERYONE STOP TELLING ME TO SWAP MY MOTOR I'M ASKING TO TUNE A KA24E SOHC ENGINE, NOT TO FIND MORE POWER AND GO CRAZY, IF I DID, I WOULD OF DONE IT ALREADY AND ASKED ABOUT A FORUM TO DO A DOHC OR A RB20 FORUM INSTEAD, IF YOU THINK IM WASTING MY TIME WITH THE MOTOR I THINK YOU DONT CARE AS MUCH AS TO LEARN TO DRIVE THEN JUST GO CRAZY WITH POWER AND NOT LEARNING BOUT YOUR CAR***


and for my car i have a injen intake in the engine, and everything is stock besides coilovers,suspension,ghutted out,excedy stage 1 clutch,all the sway/strut/engine/trunk bars you can think of, and i have a 2way kazz lsd, i want to learn to drift, not drag......

I think I love you :wiggle: ....

And, glad you are sticking to your guns and doing the ENGINE YOU WANT... It all matters on you, not the Scene People.. If you can rock the Crap out of a KA24E, then by all means Go for it...

[S13 curtis]

The KA24e is actually the engine of choice for building all motor KA's.

The KA will be more torque than an SR, and street legal.


Sry.Hell no a N/A single cam slammer will not make more TQ than a SR!

and it will be a slug with only a stock exhaust.

After i steped outa my car and got into my buddys Sohc KA i couldnt even tell the difference between 1/4 throttle and wide open.

it needs some boost to make decent power. with it all stock im pretty sure you will have to constantly kick the clutch jus to keep the tires turning over due to lack of power.but since u wanna go all motor JWT sell a cam for that motor and get headers and find a bigger throttle body if they make one for it.

[LadyJdm]

yeah fo sho<3 i mean for me the ka24e is waaaaay stronger then my civic d16 non vtec lol, but i also had a few cars i messed with before, 350z & bmw m3 coupe 06 SMG <3<3<3

but from what ive seen and know, i dont like following with the crowd, cause by the end if i would drive there cars they would say ,

"whoa i didnt know my car could do that".

lolz <3

[usdm180sx]

Hi Lilly :)

Sorry I didn't realize it was you who started this thread.

1. Make sure the motor is running in tip top shape

2. Lots of track time to get a feel for the stock motor

3. Turbo that bitch through Jonathan after you get to know the car. By far the most bang for the buck for torque

[ericcastro]

Sry.Hell no a N/A single cam slammer will not make more TQ than a SR!

and it will be a slug with only a stock exhaust.

After i steped outa my car and got into my buddys Sohc KA i couldnt even tell the difference between 1/4 throttle and wide open.

it needs some boost to make decent power. with it all stock im pretty sure you will have to constantly kick the clutch jus to keep the tires turning over due to lack of power.but since u wanna go all motor JWT sell a cam for that motor and get headers and find a bigger throttle body if they make one for it.

oh gawd dude, just stop.
Several of us with experience here have stated what your saying isnt true.
just stop.



And to the OP.
I wouldnt get a lightened flywheel for drift.
with the lower HP engines you want to have all the momentum and weight of that flywheel spinning so your clutch kicks are more effective.

good choice on the KA as a learner engine.
see you on the track and ask us KA guys out there for some advice. Its a little different in a KA car then a SR and we have certain tricks (especially for tandem).

[sincity_sil80]

well everyone has a ka dohc,rb20, or sr20, i want to be alittle different

everyone on here also has a 240.. if you want to be different get an aveo lmao

[g6civcx]

well everyone has a ka dohc,rb20, or sr20, i want to be alittle different in my engine tuning

I know of only 1 other member on Zilvia that has a Chevy small block Gen 0/1.

Mine has been running for 2 years now and I don't know where he is on his.

Another option if you want to be different.

[g6civcx]

The KA24e is actually the engine of choice for building all motor KA's.

Are you saying that the single cam is better than the twin KA cam for going NA?

[Rag]

I forgot to add one more piece of advice. It was given to me by a good friend of mine.

Learn as much as you can with a stock ka, it doesn't matter if it has one or two cams. Do not fear 3rd gear entries. Do not fear bouncing off the rev limiter. Do not fear clutch kicking through your firewall. Do not fear embarrassment for sucking on the track. You need to learn to take full advantage of ALL ~120whp in order to drift, there is no room for error and no room for pussies. Once you learn to make the most out of every ounce of torque and are able to do it consistently you will be ready to begin to add more expensive parts in order to gain more power.


DO NOT listen to all these fanboys telling you to swap or spend hundred if not thousands of dollars to turbo the engine. If your goal is to learn and perfect the tecnique of drift then you need to look no further because you have the perfect beginers engine sitting in your car. If your goal is to impress posers are carmeets or be an internet tough guy with big $$$ dumped into a car that will never see real track use.... by all means waste your money and time.

It has been proven time and time again that a stock KA is a GREAT platform to start with and the cheapest drift car to fund PERIOD.

I'm MORE than willing to help anyone with what i know if they are motivated to drift. If you have questions feel free to contact me.

Eric Castro and Jorge Castro drifting n/a ka tandems. Someday it WILL happen and it WILL be sweet hahaha.

Examples:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2475/3873721538_053330e02b_o.jpg
http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo119/whatrwedoingnow/normal_IMG_9113.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/ireameri/EastCoastBash2/ECB2-3.jpg?t=1260995629
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/ireameri/EastCoastBash2/ECB2-5.jpg?t=1260995630

[s13 @ fullboost]

we can do that for her for free hasan. stop trying to hustle my cousin lolol


haha to late she is coming over on friday she rather pay and have it done right =P

[Jacob'S13]

I forgot to add one more piece of advice. It was given to me by a good friend of mine.

Learn as much as you can with a stock ka, it doesn't matter if it has one or two cams. Do not fear 3rd gear entries. Do not fear bouncing off the rev limiter. Do not fear clutch kicking through your firewall. Do not fear embarrassment for sucking on the track. You need to learn to take full advantage of ALL ~120whp in order to drift, there is no room for error and no room for pussies. Once you learn to make the most out of every ounce of torque and are able to do it consistently you will be ready to begin to add more expensive parts in order to gain more power.


DO NOT listen to all these fanboys telling you to swap or spend hundred if not thousands of dollars to turbo the engine. If your goal is to learn and perfect the tecnique of drift then you need to look no further because you have the perfect beginers engine sitting in your car. If your goal is to impress posers are carmeets or be an internet tough guy with big $$$ dumped into a car that will never see real track use.... by all means waste your money and time.

It has been proven time and time again that a stock KA is a GREAT platform to start with and the cheapest drift car to fund PERIOD.

I'm MORE than willing to help anyone with what i know if they are motivated to drift. If you have questions feel free to contact me.

Eric Castro and Jorge Castro drifting n/a ka tandems. Someday it WILL happen and it WILL be sweet hahaha.

hands down the best answer here.. i learned drifting in a AE85 SR5. got consistent with it then moved up to a GT-S. then moved up to a 240sx SR20

just all in your technique, and if you can drift a less hp car. imagine how easy it is to swing around a power drift car.

besides look at it this way... keiichi tsuchiya learn in a under power 86 corolla.

[Walperstyle]

......i slide at 6-6500 in my sohc, my 3" exhaust does just fine

This is possibly the funniest thing I have heard in a long time

[Jacob'S13]

This is possibly the funniest thing I have heard in a long time

his a gangsta leave him alone lol.:eek2:

[Rag]

I stay at 5-7k most of the time and i have a 3" exhaust, your null point is?

[LadyJdm]

Hi Lilly :)

Sorry I didn't realize it was you who started this thread.

1. Make sure the motor is running in tip top shape

2. Lots of track time to get a feel for the stock motor

3. Turbo that bitch through Jonathan after you get to know the car. By far the most bang for the buck for torque (http://zilvia.net/f/#)thanx norm for the advice! i will see to it i will have a feel on this car more and learn the rights and wrongs about it also ^__^

Originally Posted by Rag http://zilvia.net/f/images/zilvia/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://zilvia.net/f/295257-what-easy-way-gain-torque-ka24e-sohc-engine-3.html#post3189084)
I forgot to add one more piece of advice. It was given to me by a good friend of mine.

Learn as much as you can with a stock ka, it doesn't matter if it has one or two cams. Do not fear 3rd gear entries. Do not fear bouncing off the rev limiter. Do not fear clutch kicking through your firewall. Do not fear embarrassment for sucking on the track. You need to learn to take full advantage of ALL ~120whp in order to drift, there is no room for error and no room for pussies. Once you learn to make the most out of every ounce of torque and are able to do it consistently you will be ready to begin to add more expensive parts in order to gain more power.


DO NOT listen to all these fanboys telling you to swap or spend hundred if not thousands of dollars to turbo the engine. If your goal is to learn and perfect the tecnique of drift then you need to look no further because you have the perfect beginers engine sitting in your car. If your goal is to impress posers are carmeets or be an internet tough guy with big $$$ dumped into a car that will never see real track use.... by all means waste your money and time.

It has been proven time and time again that a stock KA is a GREAT platform to start with and the cheapest drift car to fund PERIOD.

I'm MORE than willing to help anyone with what i know if they are motivated to drift. If you have questions feel free to contact me.

Eric Castro and Jorge Castro drifting n/a ka tandems. Someday it WILL happen and it WILL be sweet hahaha.
and yet again rag u don't surpirse me and your elderly wisdom of drifting<3

and for sure i will learn about my car more, it is basiclly still stock and i love it! it gets me places and turns heads as well hehe<3

In my opinion i like the single cam better, couple of my friends have dual cam but i dont really feel the difference besides the rpms go higher of course

but i also have another question, my clutch is going out, and im wondering bout a new clutch? which is better for the buck?

i already have a excedy stage 1 clutch but of course its time to change it before i go on the track and mess around with it and blow it some how lol

[Rag]

I have a stock replacement exedy clutch and pressure plate, it does teh job quite well for the abuse i give it. In terms of cheap yet effective any reputable and tested/proven brand stock replacement clutch will do. The same goes for a stage 1 if you are looking for a bit more "bite" and/or pedal feel. I always recommend a sprung clutchplate over unsprung.


Research the "white bunny" clutch/flywheel/pressureplate setup. IIRC it is a decent improvement over stock clamping force by increasing the contact patch of the clutch. It's mainly composed of stock parts IIRC and will not break the bank. I have read it will also retain the stock pedal feel so daily driving will not be affected in the least. Hopefully someone with real word experience about this setup will chime in.

Consider doing the throwout bearing and pilot bushing while you're down there.

[S13 curtis]

oh gawd dude, just stop.
Several of us with experience here have stated what your saying isnt true.
just stop.

Ive worked on Ka-t's and rode in them so dont get my age confued with what i do. it is more wise for her to boost it after she gets a feel for it, and a NA ka dosent make more torque than a SR maybe u didnt see where i put that. it only makes more torque vs a na sr

[LadyJdm]

yeah i know someday i will turbo my ka, cause i want to see what a real monster can be, and just to see what my car goes tho it will be a fun experience with this s13<3

and yes! i hope someone on here that has experience with the "white bunny"
can give me a good idea how to start it as well put them in right and find the right combinations with the products.

AND THANK YOU GUYS FOR NOT TELLING ME TO GO ON FORUMS AND FIGURE OUT MYSELF, I LIKE ASKING PERSONAL QUESTIONS FOR ME, I LEARN BETTER THAT WAY, AND I DONT REALLY CARE IF I GET PUT ON THE SPOT FOR IT, CAUSE IT DOESNT HURT TO ASK A QUESTION, EXSPECIALLY IF ANOTHER PERSON IS ASKING THE SAME QUESTION, OR U CAN ALWAYS BURN SOMEONE THAT DOESNT KNOW WHAT THERE TALKING BOUT ^____________^ HEHE<3

THANK YOU ALL AGAIN!!!!!

http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/142/l_402e0754a81142ccba159b1261aec01a.jpg

[ManoNegra]

but i also have another question, my clutch is going out, and im wondering bout a new clutch? which is better for the buck?


if you're adamant on staying stock for a while
then I'd recommend the OEM Nissan, from the dealer, clutch
price is right and over many clutch jobs I've been involved in,
it still works the best.


Research the "white bunny" clutch/flywheel/pressureplate setup. IIRC it is a decent improvement over stock clamping force by increasing the contact patch of the clutch. It's mainly composed of stock parts IIRC and will not break the bank. I have read it will also retain the stock pedal feel so daily driving will not be affected in the least. Hopefully someone with real word experience about this setup will chime in.


I already chimmed in early in this thread.
I have the set up on my S14
D21 flywheel and Exedy OEM clutch
search my posts about it for the details

but again, its a set up that retains OEM feel and lets you hold more torque, ideal for KA-T
in your case you don't seem to need it
my advice, again, is to stay stock for the time being


Consider doing the throwout bearing and pilot bushing while you're down there.

This is a given on any clutch job.

[ericcastro]

I would just go with a stock clutch as well.
I put a autozone clutch in at the track 2 years ago and it is still holding up.
I do over 1 event everymonth as well.
And kick the shit out of the clutch and bounce the rev limiter.
So if you wanna save a few bucks, just get a regular clutch since the cars not getting any big HP numbers.


Are you saying that the single cam is better than the twin KA cam for going NA?
Yes, from everything I have heard and read.
It may have changed in the last couple years, idk.
So maybe i am wrong.
But from my understanding it has to do with having more real race parts for NA build.
(And that happened because alot of race series wouldnt let the DOHC version in.)
They have a higher compression.
(you can swap sohc's pistons into a dohc bottom but still dont match the sohc numbers)
SOHC engines breath much better.
(mainly the head)

If you pull up old drag race forum threads, you can get alot of really good knowledge on all motor KA builds.
Plus, back in the early 2000's, a lot more people were doing N/A KA builds.

[ManoNegra]

Yes, from everything I have heard and read.
It may have changed in the last couple years, idk.
So maybe i am wrong.
But from my understanding it has to do with having more real race parts for NA build.
(And that happened because alot of race series wouldnt let the DOHC version in.)

From what I have heard, due to the restrictions on 4 valve motors
it made more sense to develop the 3 valve SOHC KA


They have a higher compression.
(you can swap sohc's pistons into a dohc bottom but still dont match the sohc numbers)


I don't know about the numbers
but I've had SOHC KA and so have friends
I've ridden in a couple of DOHC KA with SOHC pistons and 248 intake/exhaust cams
and their is no comparison
for a cheap build, daily driver, cali smog nazi friendly, inconspicuous set up the latter is the way to go

we're not far from you Eric
when we get my friends car running again (spun bearing)
maybe you can come and take a ride in it and see for yourself?


SOHC engines breath much better.
(mainly the head)


I hear they're both very capable
and that head flow isn't a limiting factor in KA NA power



If you pull up old drag race forum threads, you can get alot of really good knowledge on all motor KA builds.
Plus, back in the early 2000's, a lot more people were doing N/A KA builds.

These are the sources I base my info on:
one has been a head builder going back to the 70s
and worked on various of the early Datsun racing ventures
worked for TRD
worked for Nismo during the GT3 KA development
his name is Rick Kemph and has his shop in San Pedro
B-Line Racing is across from him, Giancarlo - the development director of B-Line, owns a tube-framed SOHC KA powered GT3 240sx

you're correct in that it's easier to build a non-streetable SOHC KA than it is to build a DOHC
SOHC is legacy and has been fully optimized through the last 20 years
the parts/knowledge exists if you know where to look and got $$$$
but both Rick and Giancarlo agree that the DOHC is a much better platform to build from, you will need to the leg work though.

[SochBAT]

SOHCs are always frowned upon.

I hate that because everyone is so quick to judge and hate. Retards forget it was Nissan's flagship motor back when.

Beat the shit outta that motor. Go balls deep!

[LadyJdm]

hehe fo shure!<3

and yeah i drove my friends s13 and its all stock compared to mine, but i love the way his clutch feels, mine is hard and u have to be ruff with it, and the stock u just go how u want to go. and to like u all say, you can save money $$$!

And when i get my motor in tip-top shape again by next month and buying new tires im going to start learning more about my car and driving it ^_______^

i hope i get to see u guys on the road!!!!<3<3<3

[usdm180sx]

hehe fo shure!<3

and yeah i drove my friends s13 and its all stock compared to mine, but i love the way his clutch feels, mine is hard and u have to be ruff with it, and the stock u just go how u want to go. and to like u all say, you can save money $$$!

And when i get my motor in tip-top shape again by next month and buying new tires im going to start learning more about my car and driving it ^_______^

i hope i get to see u guys on the road!!!!<3<3<3

TRUST me, you don't wanna see some of these guys out there haha

[Black R]

Easy improvement in torque = roots blower

[shiftdrift]

talk shit all you want, it works fine for me.

[ericcastro]

TRUST me, you don't wanna see some of these guys out there haha
LMAO,


lol, thats great! lol


Hey ManoNegra,
I would love to check that out! just PM me and i will come out when its all together.
I need more power than a NA build is gonna get me at this point but talking about it reminds me of building NA 510's and I am getting all excited.
I absolutely love the sound and power of small NA cars. nothing like it.
Maybe imma have to buy a 510 to daily so i can build a peppy NA KA with ITBs and headers. (guessing thats a 8 HP gain total, lol)

[junn]

ls1=torque


easy as that

[Hashiriya415]

nitrous oxide system?

[ManoNegra]

LMAO,


lol, thats great! lol


Hey ManoNegra,
I would love to check that out! just PM me and i will come out when its all together.
I need more power than a NA build is gonna get me at this point but talking about it reminds me of building NA 510's and I am getting all excited.
I absolutely love the sound and power of small NA cars. nothing like it.
Maybe imma have to buy a 510 to daily so i can build a peppy NA KA with ITBs and headers. (guessing thats a 8 HP gain total, lol)

We'll do
we're in the process of putting it back together
should be done in a few days
so possible after the holidays break since my friend is going to drive it
to Arizona again (yeah, he doesn't learn)
Dave (drift freak) stopped by for a bit and he's also a an old school 510/Datsun guy
all this Datsun talk makes me want to get a 240z

[jamg]

torque = force x lever arm

[LadyJdm]

yeah 1st i need to get my timing right on my s13, i have a 89 coupe and i have a 92 pully >_< lol so i gotta fix that soon, and maybe my car will feel alittle different than now, and im getting new tires next week so i mite see u guys on the track! <3

[stinky_180]

yeah 1st i need to get my timing right on my s13.

i would highly recommend getting a factory service manual and start reading the EF&EC section. adjusting timing, idle, tps voltages is really simple with basic tools (but you'll need a timing gun light). as for the KA24E, just do all your necessary maintenance.

[dubtastic]

Have someone brake torque the engine at 2,500-3000 RPM while you advance(turn) your distributor until you start hearing an unpleasant noise. STOP. Now retard (turn opposite way) just a bit when no cylinder chatter (detonation) is heard. At this point of your ignition timing, you will have the maximum low end torque capable of being produced by your cute little SOHC KA in it's "as is" internal condition.

Awesome "tune up" the Hondas love it too.

[LadyJdm]

hey i gotta question for everyone!! where can i get performance parts for ka24e engines????? i wanna build already cause i got money =) any good websites that sell single cam parts???? i cant find any T____T

[ManoNegra]

The parts exist but aren't readily available
what parts in particular are you looking for?
Mind you they probably won't be cheap
honestly, you'd be better off re-building a DOHC KA imo

[ericcastro]

yeah, SOHC are used for high end racing, and thats about it.
They have super charger builds going over on KA-t.

Or get ahold of Mario/Letslide, he just opened a shop and builds KA engines.
He would be able to point you in the right direction.

[SoSideways]

The US Nissan Motorsports division had a bunch of cool parts for the KA-E, but they're pretty expensive from what I could remember.

[LadyJdm]

aww dang..oh well i already knew it was gonna take money to build a motor, but i wanna upgrade on headers,cams, & basiclly EVERYTHING lol, im planing on going KA-T with this motor in the future, its going to be mainly for drifting tho

but hey! remeber awhile bak into this forum ppl talking bout a "white bunny clutch?"
well i got it! so im going to install them sometime soon! and cant wait! ^___^

[undesiredshoe]

Stay with the sohc, its pretty awesome.

[LadyJdm]

oo fo shure i love it!! i mean dohc is nice also, but single cam is my fav! and to me a dohc feels the same to me but alittle bit more torguey<3

right now im looking for performance headers, but i dont know what to pick or if theres better options else where,

i want either bbp headers or pacesettlers (4-2-1) they look like good products, but i really want hotshot headers, but they dont sell/make them anymore T____T

[charlie321]

If your going to go KAE-T, i wouldn't bother getting headers for the motor, and just go ahead and start getting the turbo pieces.

If your do insist on staying NA, I do know someone with a Single Cam Pace header for sale, pm me if you are interested.

We just put a Nismo R4 Cam into my buddies single cam, and we were all very impressed, don't worry about a cam right now if your gonna go KAE-T

I love my KA-T, you should do it!

http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs125.snc3/17279_326761610298_834590298_4801938_4022929_n.jpg

[LadyJdm]

ooh hell yeah i love my single cam<3 and plus its different from everyone else cause they got dual or SR but its cool, im ok with the motor i have, now i just want to show it love<3

so if i do go KAE-T i dont need to build my motor 1st? if so then damn..save me alot of money! lol

but i might stay with NA built and see how it goes, and see the difference, i wanna have alot of experience with this motor before i go KA24DE or RB20 in the futrue<3

[SoSideways]

We just put a Nismo R4 Cam into my buddies single cam, and we were all very impressed, don't worry about a cam right now if your gonna go KAE-T



Please don't confuse the actual NISMO entity with the US Nissan Motorsports division.

Two separate entities.

I could be wrong, but I am not aware of NISMO actually had made a cam for the KA-E.

[charlie321]

ooh hell yeah i love my single cam<3 and plus its different from everyone else cause they got dual or SR but its cool, im ok with the motor i have, now i just want to show it love<3

so if i do go KAE-T i dont need to build my motor 1st? if so then damn..save me alot of money! lol

but i might stay with NA built and see how it goes, and see the difference, i wanna have alot of experience with this motor before i go KA24DE or RB20 in the futrue<3

Look around here, and you might find some insight.
www.ka-t.org :: View Forum - SOHC KA-T (http://www.ka-t.org/forums/viewforum.php?f=5)

There's plenty of people on KA-T.org that have gone turbo with stock internals. It all comes down to the tune in the end. Have the setup and tune done properly, no cut corners, and you should be good.

I have stock internals on my car on a stock rebuild. Runs great.

If I were to go RB, in my opinion, it'd have to be an RB25 or RB26. Believe it or not, my KA has more torque than a stock RB20.

I like single cams, sooo easy to come by, not even funny. Rebuilt ones cost cheaper than stock dual cams.

[keiglo]

well that kinda depends. if you're only looking to push 250 to MAYBE 300 with it turbo'd then you most likely wouldn't NEED to (its always smart if you have the money though). the area where most people start to say to replace with forged is over 300. but even with 250, your motor will blow without a good tune, or if your parts arent in good condition to begin with. If you plan to go over 300 though, i would replace with forged internals. I believe this is the level at which it will still be RELIABLE (correct me if im wrong). People have pushed it beyond that with stock parts, but its not very reliable.

another advantage of doing forged internals right off the bat, is that if you do decide to go larger turbo and more power later, you wouldnt have to tear down your motor to replace internals first.

[charlie321]

well that kinda depends. if you're only looking to push 250 to MAYBE 300 with it turbo'd then you most likely wouldn't NEED to (its always smart if you have the money though). the area where most people start to say to replace with forged is over 300. but even with 250, your motor will blow without a good tune, or if your parts arent in good condition to begin with. If you plan to go over 300 though, i would replace with forged internals. I believe this is the level at which it will still be RELIABLE (correct me if im wrong). People have pushed it beyond that with stock parts, but its not very reliable.

another advantage of doing forged internals right off the bat, is that if you do decide to go larger turbo and more power later, you wouldnt have to tear down your motor to replace internals first.

THIS, i completely forgot to mention haha. Power goals, however, anywhere 230-300 should be plenty for most motorsport purposes. At least for entry level. I started stock for drifting for 2 years. This is my first time with power. Mine's putting down about 240whp.

If you want more than 300 which i'm sure you don't need right now, I would rebuild it with forged components.

As far as superchargers go, I feel that the KA already has alot of torque to begin with.

[keiglo]

what setup are you running charlie? just to help put things into perspective as well as satisfy my curiosity :D

[charlie321]

what setup are you running charlie? just to help put things into perspective as well as satisfy my curiosity :D

T3 w/ 370cc's on a rom tune, and safc. Can check it out if you go to any of the local meets. I'm gonna be at Pipeline tonight. 10ish.

[keiglo]

i havent been to the pipeline meet yet. i've been meaning to go for a while, but its kinda far, and i have to study tonight, mid-terms tomorrow! Maybe ill swing by next week though.

[charlie321]

Please don't confuse the actual NISMO entity with the US Nissan Motorsports division.

Two separate entities.

I could be wrong, but I am not aware of NISMO actually had made a cam for the KA-E.

Nismo did infact make an aftermarket cam for sohc KA, I just installed an R4 into my buddies car.

Nismoparts.com - Your #1 Source for OEM Parts and Accessories (http://www.nismoparts.com/catalog/?section=324)

[GroundPerformance]

Ka24e-t ftw....

[SoSideways]

The R4 cam was indeed a NISSAN MOTORSPORTS item, not JDM NISMO.

Just because Nismoparts.com sells it doesn't mean it is a "NISMO item".

Courtesy Nissan used to have a huge catelog of all the NISSAN MOTORSPORTS items that they carried, but I guess they finally dropped it because people weren't buying KA-E parts anymore.

They used to have forged pistons, rods, cams, and webber carbs for the KA-E on there, and it was cool to browse through some of that stuff. They're gone now though.

[charlie321]

Oh really? Even when we looked at the camshaft itself, it hat "NISMO" engraved on one end of it.

[fckillerbee]

Oh really? Even when we looked at the camshaft itself, it hat "NISMO" engraved on one end of it.

hmmm....maybe that was the name of the guy that made the cam? he just put his name on it....must be a few nismo names out there.

[charlie321]

I just talked to the Nismo shop, and they said it was a genuine "Nismo" camshaft.

[SoSideways]

Alright, in that case, cool.

Just didn't want people to be confused with the two entities, as they don't exactly even sell the same stuff, nor have support for each others' products.

[Shift n Drift]

everyone on here also has a 240.. if you want to be different get an aveo lmao


ok engines and cars are two different things:smash:

[Shift n Drift]

and the best sounding single slammer ka that was na that i heard was at the track, i walked up and asked him... dude wtf you got in there, and he said... a single slammer ka with a jwt cam and tune. i almost shit a brick. so hearing that, i think you should get a jwt cam and tune. this guy had no problem with losing torque when he was drifting

[charlie321]

and the best sounding single slammer ka that was na that i heard was at the track, i walked up and asked him... dude wtf you got in there, and he said... a single slammer ka with a jwt cam and tune. i almost shit a brick. so hearing that, i think you should get a jwt cam and tune. this guy had no problem with losing torque when he was drifting

I never had a problem losing torque on a bone stock KAE drifting.

I haven't heard anything about the JWT cam, I only have experience with the Nismo R4, I would like to hear more though! Does BC make one for the sohc?

[LadyJdm]

hmmm nice! i wanna build my motor to about 300-350hp, ill be fine with that as daily and drifting car =) but hmm then i shall rebuild my motor then, it hasnt had a rebuilt in awhile, its probally time, but i am gonna get these bbps headers, they look intresting =)

[Shift n Drift]

i wouldnt really bother rebuilding a motor unless you dont have good compression or if your burning oil, but thats me, do all your upgrades you have in mind and check compression atleast once a month or something like that, ill see if i can find more on the jwt cam and tune, but if i cant, im sure ill see that awesomely sounding single slammer again and ill ask him for you.

[LadyJdm]

hehe thanx =)

but yeah i wanna rebuild the WHOLE THING, everything will be done, and i'm going to do alot of research with this motor. but i know if i build the single cam it would seem to other people wasting money and time, but i REALLY LOVE my single cam, and i think it can be the little monster people look twice on<3

so if someone tells me again im wasting time on this single cam, this isnt the forum u should be posting on.

i know alot of people here love single cams, so i just wanted to start alittle something with single cams and see really how far they can go, then someone telling me its weak.

[PoorMans180SX]

Have someone brake torque the engine at 2,500-3000 RPM while you advance(turn) your distributor until you start hearing an unpleasant noise. STOP. Now retard (turn opposite way) just a bit when no cylinder chatter (detonation) is heard. At this point of your ignition timing, you will have the maximum low end torque capable of being produced by your cute little SOHC KA in it's "as is" internal condition.

Awesome "tune up" the Hondas love it too.

That is dumb. A good way to damage your motor in the long run.

To be honest, why is this thread still alive? If this wasn't a girl and someone a few of you know, they would have been flamed into oblivion and told to search.

[charlie321]

hehe thanx =)

but yeah i wanna rebuild the WHOLE THING, everything will be done, and i'm going to do alot of research with this motor. but i know if i build the single cam it would seem to other people wasting money and time, but i REALLY LOVE my single cam, and i think it can be the little monster people look twice on<3

so if someone tells me again im wasting time on this single cam, this isnt the forum u should be posting on.

i know alot of people here love single cams, so i just wanted to start alittle something with single cams and see really how far they can go, then someone telling me its weak.

Do what you want, its your car, its your build, make it unique and your own. I've stayed single cam since 06 regardless of what everyone's told me. Its not a waste of money.

To be honest, why is this thread still alive? If this wasn't a girl and someone a few of you know, they would have been flamed into oblivion and told to search.

You answered your own question.

[keiglo]

just keep doing what you're doing. Like charlie said, its your car. Build it up however you want to, and keep rocking the single slammer! i know i will! :D

[stinky_180]

rebuilding it would be your best bet. and to the above comment about advancing/retarding the timing is the dumb and dated. dont advance/retard timing via distributor, run base timing and advance or retard via the ecu rom... probably an advance topic for you though.

[bones321]

quick question guys i just installed a cam in my car and wanted to know if you need to shim anything, like the vavles and such

[SoSideways]

...........

Most KA-Es are seen as "throw away motors" by all the fanbois and toolbags, so it shouldn't be more than like $50 to $100 to pick up a spare block to build up for turbo while you keep the motor in the car in NA form.

[LadyJdm]

oh well this forum hasnt been closed its a good place to ask random questions, because random questions can lead up to some smart ideas =)

but yeah timing is way off on my car also, because i have a 89 motor but i have a 93 pulley lol but im gonna install the 89 pulley i just bought and see how it goes.

[davirene]

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i77/davidjralvarez/ACE008.jpg

Heres a lil Motivation for u....build your suspension first....then finish off with your motor....

[CrazyRob]

i read the first page. this thread is stupid. figure out your end goal. repost your thread with a more logical and well thought out goal. get on the track to figure your car out. end fucking thread. everyone just stfu.

[GripTerror]

nistune there.. easily 20-25whp with a tune on boltons.

[LadyJdm]

davirene (http://zilvia.net/f/members/davirene.html)
damn clean motor! i hope ill end up being turbo by this year, if not atleast all motor will be fine, =)
but well its hard to pick where to start and end honestly =/ i mean everything changes and theres always different and better ideas as u go on. and i think even 2-10 years from now ill still probally be working on my single cam lol<3

but i already have suspension and etc on my car, my car has all the stuts,sway,tow, etc bars u can think of, but all i need now is to build my motor ^__^

but im going to try out the bbp headers and see whats up and info on u guys on them<3

[GroundPerformance]

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i77/davidjralvarez/ACE008.jpg

Heres a lil Motivation for u....build your suspension first....then finish off with your motor....

Nice motivation indeed. Although you may considering moving that maf further out of the turbo with a bend preferably. Better IC setup would compliment that Excessive IM. Check out my KA24E-T build (http://zilvia.net/f/chat/252559-my-ka24e-t-build.html)here in Zilvia now sold to Charlie321.

[Shift n Drift]

here is the jwt cam i was talkin bout Jim Wolf S1 Billet Camshaft KA24e 89-90 (http://www.cimotorsports.net/jim-wolf-s1-billet-camshaft-ka24e.html)

hope it helps somebody

[LadyJdm]

ooo thanx! i was looking for some camshafts also, thanx!!! =)

any little bit helps guys, its hard to find single cam performance parts =p

[LadyJdm]

oo i got a question? if u buy pistons what is a good compression ratio for pistons with either building a motor or turbo???

i dont know alot about pistons >_<

[SoSideways]

High compression for all motor build, low compression for turbo build.

Make sure you talk to the engine builders too while you're building these engines, because if the compression is too high for the all motor build, then you won't be able to run pump gas on that motor, which could pose a problem.

[stinky_180]

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i77/davidjralvarez/ACE008.jpg

Heres a lil Motivation for u....build your suspension first....then finish off with your motor....

is that the excessive intake plenum? if so, how do you like? what emissions equipment are you using? ease of install?

what are you running for engine management?

[stinky_180]

Make sure you talk to the engine builders too while you're building these engines, because if the compression is too high for the all motor build, then you won't be able to run pump gas on that motor, which could pose a problem.

or you can run the flat top pistons that came out of the VERY EARLY single cams, 9.1:1 compression ratio. it'll be just as reliable as stock with that little extra juice.

[Hashiriya415]

You can run high comp pistons, when you go turbo you will have to use race gas, but it doesn't always mean like everyone says you have to run low comp pistons for turbo, many race cars have around 11:1. But if you are trying to make the most power you can then you want to lower the compression down

[Antihero983]

Remove KA-E, Install LS1, Enjoy Torque and reliability.

[LadyJdm]

hmm wow that was different the way i was thinking bout pistons lol

so lower comp. rate for turbo for the most power?

and higher comp. rate for all motor? got'cha!

and nah i cant be able to do the higher comp. with all motor.. lol my car is a daily driver. i cant spend 10$ on a gallon everyday lolz =p

and do they still sell the higher comp. rate pistons for the earlier single cams, 9.1:1 compression ratio?
i cant find any T__T

[keiglo]

Lower comp rate for turbo for most power is basically right, but i just want to clear it up a bit. The reason you need low comp pistons if you're going turbo is because its forcing more air into each cylinder, so there is more pressure being compressed, which automatically raises compression. So running low comp pistons means that its going to compensate for an increase of compression from having the turbo. If you run high comp pistons on turbo, then you will throw a rod or put holes in pistons because there will be too much pressure/air that is trying to be compressed

The exact opposite is true when you want to run an all motor setup. High compression is wanted because you wont be forcing the air in. This will give a faster and cleaner burn, which will make more power.

As for the pistons, im not to sure. I know that if bore your cylinders, that raises compression. But only VERY slightly. if you bore all cylinders .040", it'll add maybe 0.2 to your compression. With that you'll also increase displacement, but that is also very little, around 2.5L instead of 2.4L. Every little bit counts though if you're going all motor build.

[keiglo]

Actually, boring cylinders does increase compression. Compression ratio is the ratio of the cylinder volume with the piston at BDC divided by the cylinder volume with the piston at TDC. Boring a cylinder increases volume. The volume increases more with the piston at BDC as opposed to being at TDC. When the piston is at deck height, then the volume with the piston at the top of the bore does not increase, but when the piston is at BDC, the volume is larger. This makes compression ratio higher.

again. not by very much.

[sparkyS13]

very good discussion

[SoSideways]

Actually, boring cylinders does increase compression. Compression ratio is the ratio of the cylinder volume with the piston at BDC divided by the cylinder volume with the piston at TDC. Boring a cylinder increases volume. The volume increases more with the piston at BDC as opposed to being at TDC. When the piston is at deck height, then the volume with the piston at the top of the bore does not increase, but when the piston is at BDC, the volume is larger. This makes compression ratio higher.

again. not by very much.

Alright.

I retract my previous statement and post.

You are correct indeed.

However, just like you said, compression gained through boring a cylinder bigger will be minuscule, especially on a relatively low displacement 4 cylinder.

Even on something like SBCs, the compression increased through boring a cylinder is pretty small, compared to using heads with smaller combustion chambers instead, like putting the 5.3L truck motors on LS1 motors or something.

[keiglo]

^

exactly, and it costs money to bore cylinders, so unless you have access to the machines to do the work yourself (or just have enough money to spend), the compression wont raise a great amount, so most people dont do this. Its all about how much you want to do, and if you want that little bit more.

[LadyJdm]

damn that makes much more scene about pistons then, thanx for clearing it up for me keiglo (http://zilvia.net/f/members/keiglo.html) ^__^ but hmm i might bore all cylinders and get that extra power, i mean at least ill be alittle ahead of the game lol

[Hashiriya415]

damn that makes much more scene about pistons then, thanx for clearing it up for me keiglo (http://zilvia.net/f/members/keiglo.html) ^__^ but hmm i might bore all cylinders and get that extra power, i mean at least ill be alittle ahead of the game lol

Extra power by boring 1mm? I would like to really see your dyno #s after.
Don't forget to calculate the extra weight of the piston, and the extra friction of the rings. And boring and honing is expensive?? I charge $60 for 4 cylinder $80 for 6 and $100 for 8.

[SoSideways]

i have a kae long block thats been sitting for about a year and a half. had plans to tear it down and rebuild. would still like to. so far, its been used to learn how to replace the water pump and thermostat on the sohc still in my car lol.

how much do you figure it would cost to get it "rebuilt?"
excluding the cost of forged pistons, what do you think it would run to have the head redone with all new valve springs and whatever else, the block decked and bored for the new pistons, polished and rebalanced crank with new bearings? guess i gotta add in ARP head studs and headgasket too.

can i do that myself for less than what HRT is selling a crate KAE for?
HRT Performance (http://www.handcraftedracing.com/engines.html)
they want $2900 before shipping for a built KAE.

what do you guys think?

Well, it depends on how "clean" the motor is, ie. the cylinder walls, the valves, the combustion chambers, the valve guides, etc.

If the motor was good, and it's just old, then you shouldn't have much of a problem rebuilding the head yourself. Just make sure after you're done dropping the new valves and stuff in (if you're doing them) to test them by blasting compressed air into the ports or the spark plug holes to make sure they aren't leaking and are seated right.

The bottom end is pretty much the same thing, really. I mean, make sure you follow the FSM so you can get the right sized bearings and stuff.

I'd recommend boring the cylinders out 0.50mm (standard practice from what a lot of reputable engine builders have told me) so you can have some fresh cylinder bore/hone to seat the new rings with.

That's about it man, I mean, following the procedures on the FSM is key, and finding a reputable machine shop that will perform the work for you that you cannot perform yourself is key. Make sure they have the proper instruments first before you even bring anything down there. Some machine shops don't have precise enough instruments to measure for clearances, and that could cause issues later on down the road.

But yeah, as with anything, as long as you're good at following instructions, putting together a motor is almost just like putting together a Lego set... except they aren't plastic (most parts aren't anyway, there are plastic parts here and there though...) and don't have the round nubby things on them. And they aren't all bright colors.

[SoSideways]

How will you undo the rod bolts without taking the oil pan off?

I don't see how you can lol

As for valves and stuff, I don't know how much they'd cost, as I've never priced out those items for the KA... but the good news is, if it's an KA-E, they have less valves and only 1 cam :D

[keiglo]

aftermarket valve springs for the KA-E are hard to find. im still looking around for possible solutions/fits. As for OEM being good enough, im not too sure. for a rebuilt motor with no turbo/supercharger, then i would think its okay, but after you add one of those two, an upgrade might be a good idea. CXracing has the "bolt on" turbo kit that uses stock parts. now i dont want to get into the quality of the turbo itself, but the point is, they are able to run it with stock springs. whether the engine blows or not is based off of other factors. but they run with stock springs. anyone run a ka-t with OEM springs?

*edit*

found some springs from Manley Sport Compact

http://thmotorsports.com/manley/manley_sport_compact_pro_series_valve_springs/2216516/i-217043.aspx?googlebase=22165-16-08-1989

if you get those and all the other new retainers and stuff, it really adds up

[SoSideways]

Can you use KA-DE valve springs?

Because if you can, I'm sure Brian Crower makes springs for the KA-DE.

[keiglo]

im beginning to think so. Only because on those manley sport ones are for 89-98 240's. I havent looked into KA-DE specs for valves/springs and such, so im not sure if it would work. it could just be that manley made them universal. but BC would make some more money if they said something about their DE springs being used in KA-E.

sent an email to BC asking about the fitment of DE springs in SOHC. ill let you know what happens

[keiglo]

got a reply back. the BC springs are not interchangeable between DE and KA-E. i guess the manley ones are the only ones right now. or at least that i know of

[LadyJdm]

Extra power by boring 1mm? I would like to really see your dyno #s after.
Don't forget to calculate the extra weight of the piston, and the extra friction of the rings. And boring and honing is expensive?? I charge $60 for 4 cylinder $80 for 6 and $100 for 8.

ooh fo shure ill shall show u the dyno #'s when i get my pistons. but it will take awhile, cause i got to do other things 1st,but when i do ill post up my dyno numbers. i'm going to do ALL- MOTOR Sohc. And KAE-T And See The Numbers On Between both fully tune.

[stinky_180]

ooh fo shure ill shall show u the dyno #'s when i get my pistons. but it will take awhile, cause i got to do other things 1st,but when i do ill post up my dyno numbers. i'm going to do ALL- MOTOR Sohc. And KAE-T And See The Numbers On Between both fully tune.

the turbo is obviously going to have higher numbers... just so you know...

[LadyJdm]

the turbo is obviously going to have higher numbers... just so you know...

oh yeah fo shure, but i wanna see and do it myself and see which is better for MY point of view, i mean u can go so fast, but i just want the perfect power for MY drifting Experience<3 =)

[LadyJdm]

mmmm i just saw a all motor single cam engine...and it was nice :)

[undesiredshoe]

I got stiffer springs for my sohc for like $30. They are awesome.

[keiglo]

where did you get those springs? or do you know what kind they are??

[stinky_180]

I got stiffer springs for my sohc for like $30. They are awesome.

what springs did you get and where did you get them?

[LadyJdm]

does anyone have a single cam modified??? i would love to talk to ppl who are tuning a single cam also =) right now i just installed a "white bunnie clutch conversion" and going to fix my head gasket and install a modified head and also install bbp headers and see how that turns out =)

[LadyJdm]

lol yeah but the info told me to leave it on and let it break in, but me and my friends said hell no, and just cut off the plate where the clutch and flywheel was, and it fit perfect! and now i can keep up with dual cams :) no lie<3

[Steve Lloyd]

Performance auto parts, turbochargers,Central Florida (http://www.oandjperformance.com/)


The only place you need to look for BAD A$$ KA24E's...........

[LadyJdm]

i bought everything for the white bunnie....$250 but it was well worth it, the power is amazing<3

[Steve Lloyd]

Also, if you want/need a BRAND NEW front cover, let me know, I have one from a previous build I started and never finished........

[LadyJdm]

you have pix??? ^_^

[BoostSlideWayz]

i dont think a 350z clutch would fit on a ka24e... or and rb20 flywheel.... both those things for for 6 cyls witch means itll never fit... I would try to get a flywheel and clutch kit.. i got mine on ebay for 289 its a stage 2 and the flywheel is about 11 lbs lighter than stock. the less weight the engine has to spin.. the easiar its gonna push the car. some people take the Ac compressor off aswell.

*EDIT* i have ka24e 4-2-1 headers in my shed for sale. 60 bucks. should help your torque alittle

[ericcastro]

^ I like to believe that the flywheel having extra weight makes for harder/better clutch kicks with my KA.

yes, it doesnt rev as fast, but once its up there, the weight spinning helps to keep the RPM's up.

imo.

[ZX88]

60 psi in the rear tires.

[BoostSlideWayz]

^ I like to believe that the flywheel having extra weight makes for harder/better clutch kicks with my KA.

yes, it doesnt rev as fast, but once its up there, the weight spinning helps to keep the RPM's up.

imo.

that makes sense too.. i just always imagine if you were riding a bicycle with really heavy wheels. itll be hard to get it up to speed and tire you out faster.. but im sure the heavier flywheel will keep the rpms up. i suppose its personal preference.

[ericcastro]

heavier flywheel for the clutch kicks and 15/16x8" rims with 195/205 45/50's at 40-45 psi.

Running 17's on a KA is for pretty advanced people only imo.

You will be faster off the line with smaller rims.
You will also be able to spin em easier.
then the heavier flywheel will give you great clutch kicks.

[PoorMans180SX]

^ I like to believe that the flywheel having extra weight makes for harder/better clutch kicks with my KA.


Probably six of one, half dozen of the other with that one. A lighter flywheel will make the engine rev faster, so when you clutch kick, the rpm difference will be greater than with a heavier flywheel, "shocking" the drivetrain more.

[ericcastro]

Probably six of one, half dozen of the other with that one. A lighter flywheel will make the engine rev faster, so when you clutch kick, the rpm difference will be greater than with a heavier flywheel, "shocking" the drivetrain more.

agreed.

I think flywheel should be last on the list though.
Unless you hit the junk yard and come across the bunny clutch parts for real cheap.

A one piece drive shaft would be better money spend imo.





and you got to remember, my clutch kicks are more like rolling burn outs, lol.
At least for initiation :)

[shiftdrift]

i just realized i argued with castro at the beginning of this thread lol. dumb. anyways, i have an aluminum 1 piece and i can notice a BIG difference over stock.

[LadyJdm]

well compare to my stock clutch the new white bunnie is perfect! but its not what they listed cause some minor things happened so its basiclly a WHOLE truck conversion clutch lol

D21 truck flywheel
&
Pathfinder truck clutch

and believe me it works!

and even people who drive ka24de's tell me it feels just like one lol but pulling up the hill its pretty fast also :)

but im not worrying bout weight issues, cause my car is ghutted out to the max. so im not to worried about weight issues
but i do got to reduce my front end, its way heavier then the rear =/



*EDIT* i have ka24e 4-2-1 headers in my shed for sale. 60 bucks. should help your torque alittle[/quote]

what kinda headers are they?? and where u located =)

[stinky_180]

a clutch really made your car faster? hrmm..>?

[BoostSlideWayz]

well compare to my stock clutch the new white bunnie is perfect! but its not what they listed cause some minor things happened so its basiclly a WHOLE truck conversion clutch lol

D21 truck flywheel
&
Pathfinder truck clutch

and believe me it works!

and even people who drive ka24de's tell me it feels just like one lol but pulling up the hill its pretty fast also :)

but im not worrying bout weight issues, cause my car is ghutted out to the max. so im not to worried about weight issues
but i do got to reduce my front end, its way heavier then the rear =/





what kinda headers are they?? and where u located =)


[/QUOTE]


uhmm.. i dont remember the company they have been sitting for awhile... im located in lebec ca

[LadyJdm]

a clutch really made your car faster? hrmm..>?

yes sir!

it is weird, but no lie, u can almost ask anyone that knows me personally or friends that helped me installed them or seen my car go lol, but yup this clutch is pretty damn awesome<3

[PoorMans180SX]

Is the flywheel/clutch cover lighter or smaller around? Because otherwise I'm calling bullcrap on your car being faster.

[ericcastro]

Is the flywheel/clutch cover lighter or smaller around? Because otherwise I'm calling bullcrap on your car being faster.

I bet it just feels faster and grips the gears better.

We all know the tiniest difference on a KA can be felt.
Otherwise we wouldnt waste so much time stripping cars out and putting efans and shit in em :)

[LadyJdm]

eh yeah u can say, i mean the flywheel is way bigger than stock cause its all truck parts. but for me i feel like it accelerates faster cause there more teeths on the clutch a flywheel, so it works faster than a stock clutch/flywheel. but thats what i think, but fo shure honestly it does feel way different with this clutch,hard to explain really how it works, but unless u try it out yourself :)

[ericcastro]

^ the teeth only matter with your starter,.........right?

Im drunk :)

[stinky_180]

yes, the teeth are meant for the starter.. the teeth are on the flywheel and not the clutch btw.

i guess her butt dyno is good? lol

[CrazyRob]

eh yeah u can say, i mean the flywheel is way bigger than stock cause its all truck parts. but for me i feel like it accelerates faster cause there more teeths on the clutch a flywheel, so it works faster than a stock clutch/flywheel. but thats what i think, but fo shure honestly it does feel way different with this clutch,hard to explain really how it works, but unless u try it out yourself :)
o fur shure. that makes a lot of sense. in that case, your next mod should be to have your driveshaft filled with concrete. i have become enlightened. end fkn thread.

[DALAZ_68]

eh yeah u can say, i mean the flywheel is way bigger than stock cause its all truck parts. but for me i feel like it accelerates faster cause there more teeths on the clutch a flywheel, so it works faster than a stock clutch/flywheel. but thats what i think, but fo shure honestly it does feel way different with this clutch,hard to explain really how it works, but unless u try it out yourself :)

^ the teeth only matter with your starter,.........right?

Im drunk :)


LOL omfg ...LOL
o fur shure. that makes a lot of sense. in that case, your next mod should be to have your driveshaft filled with concrete. i have become enlightened. end fkn thread.


ROFLMFAO, rob gets the award of costing me another keyboard...lol

id figure that the only difference she would feel is, if her clutch is heavier= it has more torque, I.E. higher torque curve...opposite to light flywheel faster revs, but less torque... fuck i dunno

im drunk...

or it could be ur old clutch/FW were shit and ur feelin the full effect of ur motor for the first time...

[dkwasherexd]

i iwsh my ka24e can passs smog.. :(



My ecu is throwing 3 codes, o2 sensor, airtemp sensor, engine temp sensor .. The damn check engine light wont turn off now, its always on..

I changed the oil, spark plugs, gapped it to.044, put a cat on, seafoamed it..

damn check engine light..

Im currently running 18x9.5 in the rear with 235/40/18s I think thats the limit a sohccan drift with lol

Yeah I definitely cannot spin 3rd.. I mean I can initiate third with feit/clutch kick, and clutck kick again itl hold for a few seconds before I have to downshift to 2nd Lol.

Maybe I should try some 16s or 15s lol

[dkwasherexd]

I did notice that when I first got my car, it had a test pipe and straight pipe exhaust. It was super slow on the low end. I put a cat in and a quiet muffler at the end and noticed a difference in torq!! So I guess these kas really need that back pressure.

Has anyone tried chipping their ecu? doesnt Danian BMw performance make a chipthat supposedly give like 16 whp/16ftlbs torq? I saw someone selling one in the fs section

[LadyJdm]

eh :) well 'im not very good at explaining lol but its cool u guys can say what u guys want to :p hehe if u guys try it then maybe it would be easier to explain but all i can say its better then stock! and i can give a stock ka24de a good run<3 :)

[DALAZ_68]

eh :) well 'im not very good at explaining lol but its cool u guys can say what u guys want to :p hehe if u guys try it then maybe it would be easier to explain but all i can say its better then stock! and i can give a stock ka24de a good run<3 :)

like i said, it could just be that the parts are new...:eek3:

[Slammed Assassin]

o fur shure. that makes a lot of sense. in that case, your next mod should be to have your driveshaft filled with concrete. i have become enlightened. end fkn thread.

Hey don't be rude!! if you don't like the thread don't click on it.

some good info is getting put in this thread, for single cam runners as myself.

[keiglo]

damn, havent been on here in a while. good to see this thread still going. unfortunately, i sold my s13, so no more all motor SOHC :(

im going to be porting and polishing the head though, and ill post it up here when im done. hopefully someone will buy it and put it to good use!

[ericcastro]

I think I will eventually, one day, go ITB's on my SOHC and put it in a 510 for a daily.

That should gain me some pep.
No true HP of course, but fun still :)

[DALAZ_68]

I think I will eventually, one day, go ITB's on my SOHC and put it in a 510 for a daily.

That should gain me some pep.
No true HP of course, but fun still :)

the lighter chassis will deff make it peppier...

[jdm_cameron]

Yea agree with shiftdrift. Boost the Ka. Just with a simple bolt on kit and simple tuning youd do fine.

[Walperstyle]

ka24e are good motors...

once you fix the head. tick tick tick tick

[LadyJdm]

like i said u guys can say whatever, but i know what i drive :)
i mean they have the thread on zilvia about white bunnie clutches so u guys check it out if its really matters. just trying to help out fellow sohc builders out there for a better performance car

but anyways!..

damn keiglo, but hey a new beginning :)

[doomviillain]

If your going to go KAE-T, i wouldn't bother getting headers for the motor, and just go ahead and start getting the turbo pieces.

If your do insist on staying NA, I do know someone with a Single Cam Pace header for sale, pm me if you are interested.

We just put a Nismo R4 Cam into my buddies single cam, and we were all very impressed, don't worry about a cam right now if your gonna go KAE-T

I love my KA-T, you should do it!


doing general maintenance to get the motor up to par but I plan on turboing my sohc KA. which exhaust manifold & turbo you using? and did you use the SR turbo elbow and downpipe or did you get it custom

[keiglo]

like i said u guys can say whatever, but i know what i drive :)
i mean they have the thread on zilvia about white bunnie clutches so u guys check it out if its really matters. just trying to help out fellow sohc builders out there for a better performance car

but anyways!..

damn keiglo, but hey a new beginning :)


yeah, different car, different motor, new learning experiences. well worth it!

[LadyJdm]

yeah, different car, different motor, new learning experiences. well worth it!

what u get? :)

[DALAZ_68]

like i said u guys can say whatever, but i know what i drive :)
i mean they have the thread on zilvia about white bunnie clutches so u guys check it out if its really matters. just trying to help out fellow sohc builders out there for a better performance car


they were making fun of ur hilarious statement just like they would have if anyone else said em...roll with the punches...

hey ladyjdm... you should do like me and put a supercharger on your SOHC. INSTANT TORQUE

but we gotta fix my idle problem........ there is so much air getting pushed into that motor that it idles at 2500 lol. someone told me to remove one of the springs from my BOV to make it stay open at idle.


anyway, no pictures of the complete setup.. i dont want to post pictures until its running correctly and tuned.. but ill give you guys a crude drawing lol. and a blurry cellphone pic of the initial mounting of the SC

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/8853/crudeillustration.png

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/9894/m90.jpg



btw, it looks like a tight fit without the piping... like how is all that shit gonna fit?
trust me, it fits and clears everything just fine. my only issue is venting that massive rush of air at idle.


do you have any sort of engine management (i havent been following ur post so i honestly dont know?

[DALAZ_68]

SAFC II, 550cc rx7 injectors, walbro, z32 maf


yeah...i wouldnt bother with an SAFC piggy back...since the volume of fuel pretty much double than stock...the ratio is to in accurate...well as far as im told...i would seriously consider getting Nistuneor better and getting proper tune...the reason ur idling so high is

Fuel ratio is to high to properly balance on SAFC
TPS sensor isnt properly placed...
TB is slightly open, Adding to the first issue i posted...

2nd...a Z32 maf is so unnecessary, you would be better off with an N60...but...just IMO...

[LadyJdm]

lol damn i was thinking bout a supercharger also lol but like u they told me that its going to be hard cause it pushes alot of air for a small motor, but tell me when u get it done! i would love to see a thread bout it :)

and eh..i really dont care bout what u guys say anyways, theres alot of ways to tune a car and there is more then 1 one to do things, and like i said this is fun for all KA24E lovers, if u got a something else then a KA then idk why ur here, but its cool, im happy u guys are laughing and getting drunk lol

but see u guys on the track soon!<3

[DALAZ_68]

pushing 10psi at 3000rpm, i think im going to need 550cc.

im pretty sure you dont know what you are talking about.
im not here to get advice, this is definitely the WRONG place to ask about superchargers lol.

wait...wtf!?...lol...no im not sayin you dont need 550cc's...nvm...lol :tardrim:

[DALAZ_68]

what i was tryin to say was...that the % system of the SAFC...might be inadicuate for your needs...you might need to upgrade ur EMS...but hey, waduiknow

[GroundPerformance]

550cc is only 47% larger than stock. i can lean it out up to 50% on safc. i should be fine. just need to get the bypass figured out.

I seriously think you are stupid enough to run just SAFC at close to max adjustment of 50%. Specially for a supercharger where boost is practically instant. Ask any legitimate tuner about it and I myself have seen it. Sure it will run now but how long will be the question when you start actually pushing it. When using SAFC you are practically tricking the MAF Signal that you have less load and your stock ECM will further advance your timing. Since KA24E does not have a knock sensor you don't have an extra means of protecting your motor where it will back out timing as it detect knocks. SAFC should only be used to do minor adjustment paired with a ROM Tune. All I can say is be open minded as you practically don't have that much of clue yet. But then again WadUiknow also...

[LadyJdm]

MOVED!!!! and new :)

sorry guys u where right i did my research and ready to start really learning! thanx for all the negative comments, really made me do research lol T___T


http://zilvia.net/f/s-chassis/367215-perfect-ka24e-build-info-learning-3-a.html

[h2v7]

ka24e-t with 3" isis straight pipes!!!!!!!!

[Simon1]

Just follow this one if this one is strongly recommended by the professionals.
So don't take it in a light way if you are willing to get the good results in efficient way.

[nissanfreak317]

Can we please just let this thread die?