Help Choosing Offset please

[nurspecsil]

I feel bad asking this question especially since it has been asked alot lately so my appologies in advance and please dont flame me to bad.

Here is my question:

I want a real fat lip on my new rims and I dont know what offset to choose or how to go about choosing a good offset.

So here is the deal:

The rims are either going to be Volk GT-C face 2 or Volk Gram Light 57Pro. I curretly have the JIC FLTA2 and am planning on doing a 300ZX brake swap. The wheel size I want is 18x9 in the front and 18x10 in the rear. Using 40/235 tires in front and 40/245 in the rear.

So please if you could give me any input to as a good offset that would be awesome. I will be honest it is more for the look then any function.

Thanks again,
Chad

This pick from another post sums it up pretty good.

[Dousan_PG]

18x10 wont fit without fender flares and/or negative camber (lots)

also s13 or s14?

i dont know about 10s. but for the 9" a mid +30s should do






hahhaha...that car is probably setup nutty
look at camber..at least -4 if not more
pulled fenders
VERY stretched tires
camber and ROLLEd fenders


are you ready for that?

let's do the math ok?

camber plates you can only get bout -3 to -3.5 out of...so you will need adjustable rear lower control arm: 700 dollars (US)
rear camber you need rear upper arms: 300 dollars (US)
rolled fenders all around @ 50 per fender: 200 dollars (US)
pulled fenders (pull and repaint): not sure on this, EASILY 1,000 USD

can you still afford? if so..go for it but be ready!

[uiuc240]

Yo Aaron...you forgot the $2500 for just the wheels :eek:

Talk about a lot of money for a "look"...do you have the rest of the suspension and engine mods to go with it? We woulnd't want to be a poseur, now would we?

Eric

[Dousan_PG]

oh yeah

and the wait time for the wheels to get here from japan
oh! and the wait time/down time when the body shop works on your car
then the paint shop
but you might need you WHOLE car repainted too after those mods..soo after another 2K for a high quality job to match your blingin' wheels


yet get ALL your suspension mods in line first. and make sure your engine wont go a week after you do all this :p

[nurspecsil]

sorry its an s14.

thanks for all the heads up. I am aware of all the down time and the cost. I want to order the wheels soon so they will be here around the same time as everything else.

Dont worry when the wheels go on there will be an engine to go with it.

:D

I have adjustable camber plates already. I dont want the exact same look as that car becasue i realize that it is extreme but the deep dish wheels i must have! hahaha

im sorry i thought 10s fit in the rear my bad i will only go with 9s then because like you illustrated fooling around with fenders is no fun! Just want the big dish's thats all.

The car is mainly a show/street/drag car. There is not anything out here for autox or drifting.

So anyways a mid 30 offset should give me the look and have no clearance issues?

Thanks for your time guys much appreciated,
Chad

[Dousan_PG]

think of this
17x9 +30 on a GTR R33 wheels is SUPER flush (with camber) on s14
also TIRE SIZE plays a HUGE roll. dont expect to run those tires you want...not sure on what is required but im 99% sure you CNAT run that huge of a tire. probably closer to a 225 in back

bigger isnt better

a low to mid 30s is ok

if you want BIG lip go +15 on a 9" but expect BIG camber too! and STRETCHED tires!

[nurspecsil]

holy dousan you were all over that post like white on rice!:D

Thanks for the info. I do however want to avoid stretched tires as i dont believe that it is a safe practice for daily driving. So how small is too small for tires??

My current setup is 18x9 all round with 245 in rear and 235 in front dropped at about 2 inches. The offset i cant remember but it is pretty close to stock a lilttle smaller i think like a 32

[Dousan_PG]

haha
im either flaming ricers or helping people

er..but cant help you
i have no clue on your two qs! haha
my thoughts: camber, spacers and rolled/pulled fenders fix all probablems
best bet, get the wheels in those offsets and put them on

lower offset=more suspension clearance and wider tires
but more camber needed and rolled/pulled fenders

high offset means less tire/suspension clearnace but less camber can be used


its finding that g spot between the above 2..i think a HIGH 20s to LOW 30s should do the trick


high 20s might work
what offsets are available for the sizes you are intersted in??

[NiteKids]

I'm currently running 17x9 all around. Plus 15

I have a 215/45/17 streched up front but I'm bought to pick up a set of 225/45/17 Falken Alzenies up front. yeah i know I spelled it wrong. I may also change out to 225/45/17 for the rear also.

Also with the 15 offset it clears coilovers by about 35 miles. :D

Same with My Z brakes.

Fn01R-C

Also for the rear with the 15 offset I'm currently running a 235/45/17 (9inch wide) And it barley clearly. I still need to roll my fenders.

[nurspecsil]

here are the available offsets:

18x9 57PRO: +12, +22, +38, +40
18x9 GT-C: +6, +13, +19, +25, +31

Those are my choices barring any custom offsets.

[Dousan_PG]

Azenis

is it Azenis?
or ST115s Azenis?

werd dawg. looking sharp.

[nurspecsil]

thanks Nitekids,

Azenis are actually one of my tire options so that is a great help.

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by nurspecsil
here are the available offsets:

18x9 57PRO: +12, +22, +38, +40
18x9 GT-C: +6, +13, +19, +25, +31

Those are my choices barring any custom offsets.

ok
not sure on what clears z brakes and all because dont know tilll really get the wheel on or someone who has them

18x9 i'd go +12 if you want camber and HUGE lip..but lots of camber or pull/roll fedners. nitekids has +15, ask him how much camber, but he's a 215/45 so its Stretched!
+22 is 'safest'
yes will need camber but no ridiculous. also can still run a wider tire, because of offset is pushing away from suspension
+38 is too high, but its bearable. small lip :(

GTC
+6 wide fenders.
+13...see +22 and more camber/stretched for sure..or go wide fenders for east
+19..not bad! see +22 and add more camber..etc..

+25 ooh quite nice. i like this a lot.
+31..very similar to GTR R33 wheels. might search Freshalloy.com to see people's setup with gtr wheels!

good luck!

[NiteKids]

http://members.aol.com/Ryoga35510/c1.jpg http://members.aol.com/Ryoga35510/c2.jpg

[nurspecsil]

Thanks for everything dousan, your advice is much appreciated. I now know at least what I am dealing with. Thanks a lot.

Chad

[Dousan_PG]

np nurspecsil
too bad dorifto180sx doesnt have time to hop on,he's a offset/tire nerd.

nitekids: how much camber for the 17x9 +15 w/ the 215s? cant really tell by the pic..

thx

[NiteKids]

beats me but with those tires I think I could fit it with 0 camber. But of course they will stick out more not that they aready arent right now

[xNotoriousGQx]

Originally posted by nurspecsil

im sorry i thought 10s fit in the rear my bad i will only go with 9s then because like you illustrated fooling around with fenders is no fun! Just want the big dish's thats all.


18x10 should fit in the rear with no problem. I'm running 18x10 in the rear of my s14 but not sure of the offset......it has 6" polish lip.
I just recently added another 5mm spacer to make it extremely flush. I'm thinking about changing the spacer to 8-10mm to get the look I wanted.

[uiuc240]

Originally posted by nurspecsil
here are the available offsets:

18x9 57PRO: +12, +22, +38, +40
18x9 GT-C: +6, +13, +19, +25, +31

Those are my choices barring any custom offsets.

check www.rayswheels.co.jp for information about what "disk" types clear Z brakes. it's all very clear

Eric

[Dousan_PG]

ya sorry
i said wont fit on my first post..i was thinking s13....s14 will fit! sorry about that!
notorious, find the offset next time you get the wheels off please! :D

[SilviaDriver]

i heard somewhere a 17x10 +22 would fit on a s14. but dammit i juss realize im off topic haha

[xNotoriousGQx]

Originally posted by dousan36
ya sorry
i said wont fit on my first post..i was thinking s13....s14 will fit! sorry about that!
notorious, find the offset next time you get the wheels off please! :D

I took the wheel off to put the spacers on but the offset and size of the wheel are not specified on the back or anywhere on the wheels. Does any know how to measure offset? I betta start searching....

[kandyflip445]

Measure the width of your rims in mm(?) and then find the middle. Then measure how far away from the middle of the rim the face where the rim mounts to the hub is at.:D

[nurspecsil]

notorious do you have any pics of your wheels on your car?? I would love to see what they look like.

[fiebru1119]

Originally posted by nurspecsil
notorious do you have any pics of your wheels on your car?? I would love to see what they look like.

I'd like to see as well... also, what are the advantages/disadvantages of "stretched" tires?

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by fiebru1119
I'd like to see as well... also, what are the advantages/disadvantages of "stretched" tires?


stretched tires (like a 215/45 on a 9") are primarily for drifting
no sidewall flex, quick response and smooth breaking. recommended to use tires w/ steel braided sidewalls (ex: Falken ST115). safer too that way. response is better as well.

advantage: see above info

disadvantage: more likely to pop off. if you break bead on lip you lose air, then the tire comes off (ive seen it on drift videos its funny and scary). harsher ride (no sidewall flex) and more $ to put on because most shops dont and/or know how to install a stretched tire (it takes more work then a normal tire install). also some people thnk it looks retarted and is going to pop.


its relatively common to do. its NOT new info or style. its been around for many many many years in many many different countries. its by no means a new thing or fad.


average joe: not worth.
daily driven: people do but i wouldnt. i would do it on a second set of wheels for the track
worth for most? probably not. if you drift, go for it, but then again.

other common ones besides 17x9 with a 215/45/17 is 205/60/15 on a 15x9.

[fiebru1119]

dousan36, thanks for the info. i can see what you are talking about from nitekids's picture.. that does look a little unsterdy for daily driving..

[Dousan_PG]

unsturdy
eh yes and no. depends how you driver. look at richard's (jdmrice) car:

http://www.jdmrice.com/events/driftshow/rice25.jpg


he drives all over. no problems and more/if not same stretched as nitekids'.

[robinlow88]

damn, those wheels ae badass..

deep dish rims are so cool!!

I wish I had those on ..

I only have a BR pro-n1 18x9 in the rear that does not even look as cool as those!!

[DoriftoSlut]

Someone dig up my post with the updates of my car. I have 56k right now, and hella slow pocessor, but I will tell you, especially with JIC FLT-A2's, a 9 inch wheel with anything less than a +25 will be toooooo close for comfort. I have R33 GTR wheels like Dousan said, and a 5mm spacer. My wheels barely clear (due to wheel weights). go with the +22's.

Anyway, such wide wheels are normally fitted along with wide fenders, since they DO go hand in hand (especially low offset wide wheels to get that big lip). I would say for the very least to at least pull the fenders slightly, which you will probably need to do with the fronts. I know the camber adjust for those JICs (pic in the post) and I have 17x9 +25 (due to spacer) and 215/45/17 and almost max camber...

[silvia14]

what about some 18X9.5 with 255 in the rear of S14. what offset will clear coilovers and stock fenders? i'm thinking +28 or +35. Any ideas?

[Pudula]

For an 18x9/18x8 setup, +30 in front and +36 in back is what volk recommended to me to have a flush appearance with a 1.7"/1.3"
drop, no camber correction. Based on all the info here, there is maaaad conflicting information. Here is a pic of a guy with that setup, yet he has +31/+37.
http://images.cardomain.com/member_img_a/229000-229999/229673_2_full.jpg
http://images.cardomain.com/member_img_a/229000-229999/229673_19_full.jpg
This looks nearly perfect in my opinion...the tires are 275/35 in back and 235/40 in front.

Ryan

[silvia14]

Originally posted by Pudula
For an 18x9/18x8 setup, +30 in front and +36 in back is what volk recommended to me to have a flush appearance with a 1.7"/1.3"
drop, no camber correction. Based on all the info here, there is maaaad conflicting information. Here is a pic of a guy with that setup, yet he has +31/+37.
Ryan

Thanks alot Pudula. But does this setting clear coilovers? If so I know what i need. Thanks again

[Pudula]

Those stats are with Eibach Sportlines...I can't see how having coil-overs would change the fitment...yet I've never had coil-overs. :confused: Sorry I can't help you out there.

Ryan

p.s. - I would think +28 on a 9.5 inch wheel would be a better fitment that +35, then again the whole offset thing might be the most confusing thing in the history of mankind.

[DoriftoSlut]

Originally posted by Pudula
For an 18x9/18x8 setup, +30 in front and +36 in back is what volk recommended to me to have a flush appearance with a 1.7"/1.3"
drop, no camber correction. Based on all the info here, there is maaaad conflicting information. Here is a pic of a guy with that setup, yet he has +31/+37.
http://images.cardomain.com/member_img_a/229000-229999/229673_2_full.jpg
http://images.cardomain.com/member_img_a/229000-229999/229673_19_full.jpg
This looks nearly perfect in my opinion...the tires are 275/35 in back and 235/40 in front.

Ryan
Ok, if that look is perfect to you, get those offsets, but that is no where near "flush" with the fenders. Maybe the TIRES look flush. But not the wheels. Thats why you need to detirmine what size tires you want to run and on what width wheel before you start talking about offsets and flushness. Point being, everyone will agree that the car in the pic you posted doesnt have flush wheels.

[Pudula]

From what I can see, the rim is flush (especially the back one, which is blatently flush)...the spokes aren't due to the lip but the actual wheel is.

Ryan

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by Pudula
From what I can see, the rim is flush (especially the back one, which is blatently flush)...the spokes aren't due to the lip but the actual wheel is.

Ryan


haha..you dont know what flush is!


example:
yesterday d1 driver search
i was exmaing tanaka's car w/ WIDE fenders (30mm over...)
the tire was 1mm away from fender
now remember, these tires are STRETCHED like a 215 on a 9" style..

that's FLUSH



if your fenders are NOT rolled, your wheel is NOT flush.

[sykikchimp]

I love it.. we should coin a new phase.. "Drifta Flush" lol.

Personally I think that black car looks good. Not outrageous, very smooth and low key. Wheels fit very nicely.

[fooddude]

That Ings.net blue s14 is in the march Battle Magazine. It has no wide body feners, just pulled fenders(not as much as yellow jspecs s13). It doesn't show the width of the wheel, but it is typed exactly like this: 57Pro(F18inch-10~R18inch+0). So I am guessing F is 18x? -10 offset and R is 18X? +0 offset. Those are some insane lipage! The tires are F225/40-18~R235/40-18.

[silvia14]

Can anyone tell me if i can fit 18X9 +22 with 245 tires in the REAR of an S14 without rolling fenders? Will it rub?

After all I think I'm either going with

18X8 +30 Front with 225 tires
18X9 +38 Rear with 245 tires

OR

18X8 +22 Front with 225 tires
18X9 +22 Rear with 245 tires

I prefer the +22 setting because it'll be flush and the lip is deeper. hehe. but definitely if i have to roll the fenders. doesnt worth it for me. and i don't want to run STRETCHED tires.

Any input would be appereciated!!