are roll cages legal?

[choleboy]

to be more specific, in california.

like..say a cop pulls you over, can you get a ticket?

cause i plan on getting a bolt on cage :hahano:

[ALEXTHESUS*PECT]

street legal no. and you wouldn;t ever want to be in one without A helmet on at all times!

[Slammed Assassin]

agree. its not street legal.

[JDGrimReaper666]

Aren't some approved though?

[Kouki_monstr]

gayy...Ill have one anyways

[Sileighty_DRFT89]

I blelieve 4 points are ok. just as long as there are no bars next to your head

[randyjordan]

you can get a ticket for having a cage

[karl wasabi]

to be more specific, in california.

like..say a cop pulls you over, can you get a ticket?

cause i plan on getting a bolt on cage :hahano:

You can get a ticket for pretty much anything now days. Yes, cage included. I was given shit from a cop once when he saw my bolt in 6pt cage. He's all, "Are you a street racer? I know that cage isn't stock..." BS...

Aren't some approved though?

Yeah... FOR THE RACE TRACK. lol.

[DataXUnknown]

Jeeps come with cages :)

[JDM-Two_Forty]

i think they are legal, because its actually much safer to drive with, im just affraid to put one on becuase its an attraction to the piggies, and as soon as u get pulled over they just start goin thru ur whole enitire car...

[Slammed Assassin]

Jeeps come with cages :)

true, but i think thats that only thing that supports the roof. (correct me if im wrong)

[Slammed Assassin]

i think they are legal, because its actually much safer to drive with, im just affraid to put one on becuase its an attraction to the piggies, and as soon as u get pulled over they just start goin thru ur whole enitire car...


actually there not much safer at all if you were to get into a accident without wearing a helmet, your head will smash on the cage if you dont have padding.

[Fonix36]

padding is a must and what happen to limmo tint on the back windows

[karl wasabi]

i think they are legal, because its actually much safer to drive with, im just affraid to put one on becuase its an attraction to the piggies, and as soon as u get pulled over they just start goin thru ur whole enitire car...

LOL. You seriously think that man? Steel can cause major damage to your bare skull. You get T-boned and you're done son...

[mugendork]

Yes, they are dangerous, and you will die in some instances in car accidents if your head hits it. But honestly, so many of us do it. How many of you guys drive your car to the track? Do you wear your helmet on the way there? We know smoking will kill us inevitably, yet many of us still do it? If it gives you a hard-on to have a cage in the car, then just do it. Deal with whatever consequences you may get down the road. But for the sake of your life, put some decent FIA padding on to at least protect your bare head...

[Fries]

I could be wrong but iirc the main reasons they're illegal is because cages are dangerous to you in an accident [think watermelon v.s. steel pole] and because of the amount of damage they can cause the other vehicle in a collision.

[EDacIouSX]

actually there not much safer at all if you were to get into a accident without wearing a helmet, your head will smash on the cage if you dont have padding.

you'd need more than a few fluffy pillows to save your head...



yes they are illegal, but everything in the thread so far's pretty fail..........

[brndck]

your post are all retarded.
4 point behind drivers head = legal
anything ahead of the drivers head = illegal for street use.
*edit* for CALIFORNIA USE
other states, who knows......
maybe bother to check your local dmv......

[murda-c]

Yeah for stuff like this i usually just call the police or DMV.

[Future240]

Try looking in this.

2009 Vehicle Code General Provisions and Divisions 1 - 18 Table of Contents (http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/vc/vctoc.htm)

[scottie]

I am not sure in California but I am dating a girl here in OK whos father is a police officer of 15+ years. I asked him this very thing and he said they are NOT illegal. He said they cannot write you a ticket for having extra safety equipment in the car.

I think the thing you have to ask yourself is will the insurance provider still cover you with one. If they insurance provider deems it unsafe for public road use then they will most likely drop your coverage. They dont want to have to fork over the money for someone's hospital bills that may have occurred because of the roll cage. But other specialized insurance providers will carry your mods. It just depends on whether you are willing to shell out more a month to have it fully covered.

[svensko]

I wouldn't drive a car with a cage near my head without a helmet. I like to think my life is worth more than having my chassis be .00025% stiffer. :naw:

[scottie]

I wouldn't drive a car with a cage near my head without a helmet. I like to think my life is worth more than having my chassis be .00025% stiffer. :naw:


That is why

(1) You build your cage so it is as far away from your head as possible.
(2) You MUST wear a harness at all times so your body will not move from the seat.
(3) Place FIA approved padding on the bars. It will give unlike the cage but its not the spongy foam stuff that doesnt really work.
(4) At worse your arms and legs will hit the cage and possibly cause a broken bone but your head/body shouldnt move much if you are locked down.


Lets be honest here. If you roll your car I would almost rather have it than not. Im not knocking 20 year old chassis designs but its not as great as today's cars.

[Shaminii]

Yes, they are legal.

But seriously, future240 has the only valid reply here.

[proj240sx]

i have been pulled over countless times, and NOT ONCE have they said a single word about my 6pt cage. Yes I live in CA as well.

[g6civcx]

maybe bother to check your local dmv......

You can check with the DMV, but keep in mind that the DMV is an administrative agency; they file paperwork for the state. The DMV doesn't give tickets or take you to court.

You need to talk to a law enforcement branch.

My advice is to write your state police and ask them if there's a person they can refer you to for safety equipment questions.

If not, then write your state/Commonwealth attorney and ask for an advisory opinion.

[bmhossain]

I am beginning to feel bad for you CA guys. I would never put a full cage in my street car but some of the restrictions they have on you guys out there is getting ridiculous. I'm glad my state isn't that strict on things yet.

[R33E8]

I am beginning to feel bad for you CA guys. I would never put a full cage in my street car but some of the restrictions they have on you guys out there is getting ridiculous. I'm glad my state isn't that strict on things yet.

Yeah really.. I've always felt bad for them.. Alright state but some of the laws are retarded over there.. Just thinking about it makes me wonder why people like Cali so much... I don't know what the hype is about.. That's the one of the few reasons I'll never live in Cali..

And before anyone says NJ sucks, please back it up.. :fawk2:I like it here, but I would much rather live in Florida for the nice weather all year..

[S14DB]

Porsche GT3 RS is street legal.

[sidetrack9]

Yeah really.. I've always felt bad for them.. Alright state but some of the laws are retarded over there.. Just thinking about it makes me wonder why people like Cali so much... I don't know what the hype is about.. That's the one of the few reasons I'll never live in Cali..

And before anyone says NJ sucks, please back it up.. :fawk2:I like it here, but I would much rather live in Florida for the nice weather all year..

We like it because we pay high taxes, our governor is Arnold S. and we we have good roads...hahaha:naughty:

[RB240Mike]

I live in FL but got pulled over many times in my old hatch and never had a cop say anything about it except it was cool and they thought it was good I was being safe. Also crashed the car on the street really bad and neither of us were wearing helmets so blah ya and neither was injured because of the cage.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a185/DSMHowtness/102_1283.jpg

[GSXRJJordan]

There are a ton of domestic (drag race) guys that have sub-10-second street cars, and that requires a 4pt at least - and they still drive their cars on the street with swingout door bars. It's not even an issue to them, tbh, and they're pussies about staying street legal. I believe that as long as you have a harness and no halo (nothing around your head on the sides) you'll be safe on the street.

I think the thing you have to ask yourself is will the insurance provider still cover you with one. If they insurance provider deems it unsafe for public road use then they will most likely drop your coverage. They dont want to have to fork over the money for someone's hospital bills that may have occurred because of the roll cage. But other specialized insurance providers will carry your mods. It just depends on whether you are willing to shell out more a month to have it fully covered.

This is a great point ~ think if someone slams into you at 40mph or so, and causes some serious damage to the people in their car. Both insurance companies find out your car had a full cage. Your insurance company declines to cover you, since they deem that an 'illegal modification', and now you're responsible for their car and their medical bills.

Ouch.

[NeedCAforS13]

The people claiming that your head will explode with a cage are kinda being dumb.

What's the factory a-pillar made of? Metal... Covered by a thin piece of plastic. If you're over 6' in an S13 and you get t-boned your head is gonna whack some metal either way. I think I'd rather hit a cage with some FIA foam padding.

Plus most cars with cages also have racing buckets and harnesses. Lowered seating position + seat/harness keeping you in place most certainly ends up safer than stock seats and no cage.

Your insurance company declines to cover you, since they deem that an 'illegal modification', and now you're responsible for their car and their medical bills.

That sorta seems to hinge on whether it's legal or not to have a roll cage... if it's not illegal, how can they claim you have an illegal modification?

[fightinchunk]

what about for a convertible? I want a small roll bar that will protect me in case of a roll over god forbid. would cops consider that a cage?

[RB240Mike]

There are a ton of domestic (drag race) guys that have sub-10-second street cars, and that requires a 4pt at least - and they still drive their cars on the street with swingout door bars. It's not even an issue to them, tbh, and they're pussies about staying street legal. I believe that as long as you have a harness and no halo (nothing around your head on the sides) you'll be safe on the street.



This is a great point ~ think if someone slams into you at 40mph or so, and causes some serious damage to the people in their car. Both insurance companies find out your car had a full cage. Your insurance company declines to cover you, since they deem that an 'illegal modification', and now you're responsible for their car and their medical bills.

Ouch.

So how is it my car has a halo, door bars, etc and I just had a Bride Ergo with super low rails and I didn't get hurt crashing at like 70 with no helmet?

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a185/DSMHowtness/102_1287.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a185/DSMHowtness/102_1414.jpg

[ILoveMyRHS13]

I know it was said before, but as long as you have good pads on the bars near your head, it would be safer for daily driving.

[GSXRJJordan]

The people claiming that your head will explode with a cage are kinda being dumb.

What's the factory a-pillar made of? Metal... Covered by a thin piece of plastic. If you're over 6' in an S13 and you get t-boned your head is gonna whack some metal either way. I think I'd rather hit a cage with some FIA foam padding.

Plus most cars with cages also have racing buckets and harnesses. Lowered seating position + seat/harness keeping you in place most certainly ends up safer than stock seats and no cage.

That sorta seems to hinge on whether it's legal or not to have a roll cage... if it's not illegal, how can they claim you have an illegal modification?

The insurance company can deny coverage based on whatever they want ~ it's not illegal, for instance, for your roommate to drive your car without being explicitly covered on your insurance, but if they got in an accident they would not be covered under 99% of policies.

I'm just saying it's important to find out before you actually get a claim denied.

what about for a convertible? I want a small roll bar that will protect me in case of a roll over god forbid. would cops consider that a cage?

Roll bars (which are 4pt cages, with a main hoop and two down bars) are what most of us would think are legal, and the domestic guys that run them don't have any problems. Not to mention all these Miata guys that run them.

[GSXRJJordan]

So how is it my car has a halo, door bars, etc and I just had a Bride Ergo with super low rails and I didn't get hurt crashing at like 70 with no helmet?

I'm glad, that accident looks like hell.

What does that have to do with insurance liability? The injuries I was talking about would be to the other party ~ the ones that hit you could claim that your car did more damage to theirs because of the cage, and you would be responsible for their medical bills.

[KA-T_240]

I could be wrong but iirc the main reasons they're illegal is because cages are dangerous to you in an accident [think watermelon v.s. steel pole] and because of the amount of damage they can cause the other vehicle in a collision.

this comment made me laugh.... I don't even know what to say to it.

[RB240Mike]

I'm glad, that accident looks like hell.

What does that have to do with insurance liability? The injuries I was talking about would be to the other party ~ the ones that hit you could claim that your car did more damage to theirs because of the cage, and you would be responsible for their medical bills.

any lawyer could win that easy, that's like saying oh you drive a hummer and it kept you safe but inflicted more damage on the other car so ya we aren't gonna cover it because you weren't driving a Geo Metro

I know that's being dramatic but still with my insurance company if the car is over 10 years old you have to have detailed pictures of the car and a mechanics statement saying it's safe and the cage could be clearly seen in the pictures so once again not like they could say they didnt know about it.

[choleboy]

okay..so in conclusion
-4pt cages behind the head is legal. FER SURE?
-bars near the head need to have foam padding?
-all depends on the cop if he wants to ticket you for it?

:wtf:

Yeah really.. I've always felt bad for them.. Alright state but some of the laws are retarded over there.. Just thinking about it makes me wonder why people like Cali so much... I don't know what the hype is about.. That's the one of the few reasons I'll never live in Cali..

And before anyone says NJ sucks, please back it up.. :fawk2:I like it here, but I would much rather live in Florida for the nice weather all year..

1) NJ = never heard of anything entertaining over there
2) Florida = SHIT WEATHER
3) Cali = BOMB WEATHER
-We have tracks to drift every week at
-80% of zilvia

:Owned:

[svensko]

That is why

(1) You build your cage so it is as far away from your head as possible.
(2) You MUST wear a harness at all times so your body will not move from the seat.
(3) Place FIA approved padding on the bars. It will give unlike the cage but its not the spongy foam stuff that doesnt really work.
(4) At worse your arms and legs will hit the cage and possibly cause a broken bone but your head/body shouldnt move much if you are locked down.


Lets be honest here. If you roll your car I would almost rather have it than not. Im not knocking 20 year old chassis designs but its not as great as today's cars.

Even if your body is strapped down, your neck can still stretch in an accident. You made think your body is pretty well put together but you might as well be a wet noodle during sudden deceleration.

[KA-T_240]

Even if your body is strapped down, your neck can still stretch in an accident. You made think your body is pretty well put together but you might as well be a wet noodle during sudden deceleration.

A good Cage designer will place the bars in places where your head should not contact the cage, even in a accident. I do not remember the exacty rules from the NHRA book, but it went into how far the bars must be from the drivers helmet and shit like that.

[sevenstar]

Porsche GT3 RS is street legal.
yeah but this it the cage in a gt3 rs
http://image.eurotuner.com/f/29630325+w750+st0/eurp_0908_05_z+porsche_gt3_rs+interior_view.jpg

which doesn't have roof bars, thats nice cage though... after seeing this i want to buy one

[KA-T_240]

yeah but this it the cage in a gt3 rs
http://image.eurotuner.com/f/29630325+w750+st0/eurp_0908_05_z+porsche_gt3_rs+interior_view.jpg

which doesn't have roof bars, thats nice cage though... after seeing this i want to buy one

HAWT. only thin i can say

[johngriff]

street legal no. and you wouldn;t ever want to be in one without A helmet on at all times!

HOLY HELL, FIRST POST IN THIS THREAD ANSWERS QUESTION!!

Cage in Daily = Ricer/Death Trap

Drive a caged car w/o a helmet, it is more dangerous than w/o the cage.

[mattro]

what about for a convertible? I want a small roll bar that will protect me in case of a roll over god forbid. would cops consider that a cage?

dont the mazdaspeed miata's come with one of those? factory?


also if you want to wear a helmet, you can take out your windshield! YEY!

(in ny at least)


So how is it my car has a halo, door bars, etc and I just had a Bride Ergo with super low rails and I didn't get hurt crashing at like 70 with no helmet?

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a185/DSMHowtness/102_1287.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a185/DSMHowtness/102_1414.jpg


you dont have a halo. you have roof bars. and your lucky as shit.

[Genovese.Jr]

make the cage look sleeper dont paint it a bright ass color or throw racing stickers all over it just paint it flat black or wrap it in a fabric or something and get tinted windows

[g6civcx]

The insurance company can deny coverage based on whatever they want ~ it's not illegal, for instance, for your roommate to drive your car without being explicitly covered on your insurance, but if they got in an accident they would not be covered under 99% of policies.

The general practise by the insurance industry is to cover drivers not named on the policy, but the level of coverage may not be the same as that of a named insured.

They can also deny coverage for any claim at whim so we won't know until the claim is paid.

I'm just saying it's important to find out before you actually get a claim denied.

Roll bars (which are 4pt cages, with a main hoop and two down bars) are what most of us would think are legal, and the domestic guys that run them don't have any problems. Not to mention all these Miata guys that run them.

The problem is not that the cage is legal or illegal.

When you sign an insurance contract, the contract covers a stock 240. If you modify a 240, now it's a different car and the policy has to be re-rated to accurately reflect the actual car.

The car is now different and they may deny some coverage due to the difference.

[Matej]

Roll cages are ugly.

That is my argument against it.

[teamsprock]

okay..so in conclusion
Califonia is cool becasue...
-80% of zilvia lives here

:Owned:


That's great justification for liking a state... that is basically saying 80% of the assholes you get to deal with here on zilvia are my neighbors!! I am all in (sarcasm)!!

Sorry to be off topic, just seemed to funny not to point out.

[SILVIA_KIDs14.5]

I am beginning to feel bad for you CA guys. I would never put a full cage in my street car but some of the restrictions they have on you guys out there is getting ridiculous. I'm glad my state isn't that strict on things yet.
yeah not to mention good luck gettin 93 octane lol 91 tops i've heard shitty man

[AE_Racer]

Cali may have better weather, but my sr20 is daily'd and open dp, and I never had to see/pay off an emissions guy. Not having to worry about modding my car wins any day.

[SILVIA_KIDs14.5]

Roll cages are ugly.

That is my argument against it.
and my argument to you is no one on zilvia really cares if there car is pretty we want it safe Daily Drivable and Raceable i mean look at the ziptied all stars if you want pretty get a honda
:ghey:

[murda-c]

and my argument to you is no one on zilvia really cares if there car is pretty we want it safe Daily Drivable and Raceable i mean look at the ziptied all stars if you want pretty get a honda
:ghey:

hondas aren't really the prettiest cars...

[nieko]

laugh out loud this thread is fucking retarted.

[ronmcdon]

I've never had a cop hassle me for my 4-pt roll bar in my prior CRX & miata.
Full on cage I have no idea, and wouldn't want to daily in that anyways.

With the 240, I was really interested in getting a welded 4-pt.
However, if it's any excuse for police to pull you over & pop the hood,
maybe its not the safest choice.

[GSXRJJordan]

laugh out loud this thread is fucking retarted.

Started out so decent too. Oh well, hopefully we'll get some real legal answers eventually.

[Kamburrito]

drivin for about a year with two cars with BRIGHT blue cusco colored cages and havent gotten hastled once. no tint. been pulled over countless times for diff mods with the cage IN the car and they didnt say anything. i js tell them i track my car.. because it seems like if you have enough money for a cage .. you have enough money for track time .. and if you have money for track time .. then you dont street race .. hahaha. get a 4 point and call it a day.

[Taniguchi_Is_#1]

and my argument to you is no one on zilvia really cares if there car is pretty we want it safe Daily Drivable and Raceable i mean look at the ziptied all stars if you want pretty get a honda

http://www.inflationshock.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/serfs.jpg

[S14_Kouki]

Iv had my 6 point for 2 years now been pulled over alot and they dont seem to mind.

[RB240Mike]

Do whatever you want and who cares about the cops, having your car lowered is illegal, exhaust is illegal, technically swaps and stuff are illegal, HID's are illegal, Silvia fronts are illegal, ETC ETC ETC as long as you don't do stupid shit that would give a cop a reason to fuck with you I'm sure you'll be fine.

[tricky_ab]

laugh out loud this thread is fucking retarted.

Ah it's not as bad as the last time cages were brought up on this forum...

[WISH ONE]

as far as insurance is concerned...

Each insurance company handles vehicle modifications differently but its not for reasons that most people think. Underwriters look at risk and try to determine a rate that will cover the risk and allow the insurance company to make a profit. The claims side of the company generally tries to reduce the cost of claims.

Depending on the financial situation of the insurance company, there are often added pressures on the claims side to reduce claim costs. Claims management sometimes tries to spread the cost of a claim outside of the insurance company. When claim adjusters find vehicle modifications that can be argued as contributing to the injury or damage, insurance companies often hold the installer and the manufacturer of the modification responsible for some part of the claim cost. Its a way of reducing the cost of the claim to the insurance company while not upsetting the customer by reducing the total claim amount.


I have not found any section in the CA vehicle or highway code regarding rollbars/cages, but Im guessing any officer will have the "it didnt come with the car its not supposed to be there" mentality and may write you fix it but who knows..

IMO...if i had a cage= pulled over, pulled over in s13 with cage= referee= I hate my life... again

[g6civcx]

as far as insurance is concerned...

Each insurance company handles vehicle modifications differently but its not for reasons that most people think. Underwriters look at risk and try to determine a rate that will cover the risk and allow the insurance company to make a profit. The claims side of the company generally tries to reduce the cost of claims.

Depending on the financial situation of the insurance company, there are often added pressures on the claims side to reduce claim costs. Claims management sometimes tries to spread the cost of a claim outside of the insurance company. When claim adjusters find vehicle modifications that can be argued as contributing to the injury or damage, insurance companies often hold the installer and the manufacturer of the modification responsible for some part of the claim cost. Its a way of reducing the cost of the claim to the insurance company while not upsetting the customer by reducing the total claim amount.


Very valid point.

[MavericStephenc]

Yeah really.. I've always felt bad for them.. Alright state but some of the laws are retarded over there.. Just thinking about it makes me wonder why people like Cali so much... I don't know what the hype is about.. That's the one of the few reasons I'll never live in Cali..

And before anyone says NJ sucks, please back it up.. :fawk2:I like it here, but I would much rather live in Florida for the nice weather all year..



jersey is nice but the north side does have a funky smell.....

[jdm213]

i think they are legal, because its actually much safer to drive with, im just affraid to put one on becuase its an attraction to the piggies, and as soon as u get pulled over they just start goin thru ur whole enitire car...

:mepoke:its safer but only when going in to really wide turns and drifts, but not needed in the street yuor probably gonna harm yourself more with one if you get into an accident in the streets

[coww-cho!!!!!]

i wouldnt cage my car unless it were to be a strict track car or if i had a balli'n vert

also: iirc i think my sisters new bf is a cop here in cali ill ask his opinion

[zenki.life]

another one of those threads where we have a few people actually give sound advise and information, and where everyone else just chimes in with information that makes no sense.


cool

[Fish805]

if you have them wraped in foam for daily driving they dont seem to mind. Also half cages are usally saved by the tint in most cases.

[240sxxs]

roll cage is legal here..where i lived..ARIZONA FOR THE WIN.

[Slide~or~die]

i had a convo with a buddy who is a cop and have looked it up repeatedly for some of the ignorant ppl here in FL, and 6 point is legal for street use down here(just for other ppl who may be looking for this info) anything above a 6point is illegal, and if the design obstructs the drivers view then it is also illegal(who the hell would do that tho!)


but as everyone has said, the can be dangerous so be smart about it!!!