200 hp from a n/a ka

[YoungRookie]

how hard would it be to get around 200-250 hp out of the ka24de? would it be cheaper then going with the ka-t set up? what should be the first parts to buy if i were going to go n/a?

[YellwMonky]

soon, you will be receiving the "use the search button" replies...

this topic has been done before. I believe from what i've read in past threads, it will be cheaper to get 200hp @ the wheels with a forced induction setup. However, that's not to say it's a better setup. Good luck.

[DuffMan]

200 to the crank is very possible but above that $$$$$$$$$$$

[kalieaire]

to achieve 200 rwhp, you'll be spending iirc ~4000 dollars.

to push past the 200 rwhp mark, you'll be spending 10,000.

basically all the money goes into trial and error fields because no one has done it before with a KA24DE (not I'm not saying that KA24E).

the KA24DE has a crappy flowing head, so in response to that, you'll be required to destroke the motor, that means getting a custom crank from crower or chopping yours in pieces.

if it's not 10,000 dollars in parts, you'll be spending at least that much in your own labor(unless your labor is worthless).

basically what people are thinking about doing is increasing the bore to 90mm and decreasing the stroke to about 90mm for a perfectly square setup. then balancing the crank for it to be able to hit high rpms.

you'll also need to port and polish the head, make some sort of short ram intake and decrease the temp of the air by using a heatshield.

light driveshaft, lighter flywheel, underrdiven pulleys.

exhaust and headers, ecu tune by jwt and higher octane fuel for more advanced ignition timing. cams are important too. usually a good setup is by using two exhaust cams from a 91-94 ka24de.

some other things you might want to look into is custom rods and pistons to make your engine super high comp.

good luck, hope you're rich.

[Warwick5s]

i'd guess you'd be around there if you did:

header
exhaust
test pipe
intake
cams
ECU

[nrcooled]

Originally posted by Warwick5s
i'd guess you'd be around there if you did:

header
exhaust
test pipe
intake
cams
ECU

That will get you 175hp (est.) I have seen that setup on a s14 get dyno'd and he put out 178hp

[andrave]

I have a ka24E and I've heard there is a lot more support for NA builds but haven't bothered to check. I like small, high revving engines and I'm swapping a ca this fall.

anyway if thats true than maybe you could swap a built *** ka24E.

[95Blue240sx]

the ka24de is in now way, IMHO, a small engine. its a 2.4L. youll be spending too much money on parts for a not that much powered ka. just go with forced induction unless you just want around ~170hp. go with that setup recommended by war.

nrcooled what ecu do you run?

[Red]

I have seen a place on the web that sells a 200hp KA24DE for a bit over 4.5k If I can find it again I will post the site.

[andrave]

if you are referring to my post, maybe you should have read it first.
I was calling the ca a small engine. 1.8 liters is a small engine, compared to a 2.4 liter.

[kalieaire]

Originally posted by Red
I have seen a place on the web that sells a 200hp KA24DE for a bit over 4.5k If I can find it again I will post the site.

it's most likely near 200 hp, and if it does say rwhp, it's probably not SAE corrected power.

i saw a website, the claims they had were disputed on the freshalloy forums because there was no dyno to prove it.

[Red]

http://www.afterdark-tuning.com/engines.html

found it.

Edit: I was wrong on the price however.

[Red]

Why? Are they bad in some way?

[kalieaire]

Originally posted by Red
Why? Are they bad in some way?


haven't you heard?? it's "shady" afterdark.

[driftk2000]

They don't reply to my email like HeavyThrottle for example.
hmm.

[Warwick5s]

Originally posted by nrcooled
That will get you 175hp (est.) I have seen that setup on a s14 get dyno'd and he put out 178hp


is that RWHP or BHP? cos 178 rwhp would be about 200 at the crank....


anyways, if you really want to ROCK - get this:


44mm Mikuni Induction System

Designed for the KA24 SOHC 12-valve GT3/NASPORT engine. Intake manifold includes water outlet (13048-Y4005) and gasket (13050-07N00). All listed parts are required for complete installation. Requires fabricated throttle cable assembly. Main 160 / Air 180 / Pilot 55 / Choke 37mm. RACE APPLICATION ONLY!

anyone have any numbers on how much carbs do? i had carbs on a 2.0 16v rabbit once, and that thing was pushing about 200 hp with just the carbs, header, and catback.

[uuninja]

Originally posted by James
KA sucks as a basis for NA or turbo- you're screwed either way unless you really want to throw alot of money at it that could be spent on a better engine or different car with better engine.

Not to be rude but I think you are talking out of your ***. What experience do you have to back that statement up?

[turbo240sx]

i second that, i own and have seen another kaT make huge power. and they have a 11.8 time slip to prove it too. so make sure you do your research first. not everything is all SR.

[HachiMachi]

i second uuninja, kaT can get you power with the right parts and tuning. somtimes its a smarter to turbo a ka (assuming that your car will be your daily driver) because cops are busting lots of people with illegal mods on their car, especially in california. my point being is that if you install a sr, good luck taking it out and putting back your KA once your inspection day comes by. I rather take out a turbo kit from a kaT than taking out a whole SR. just my 2 cents
:cool:

[andrave]

then by your reasoning, an RB26dett, rb25det, rb20det, ca18det, or any other engine you could conceive of using, must not be any good, cause no one on this board runs one, or at least very few.

you, my friend, are a genius.
your certificate is in the mail.

[kalieaire]

Originally posted by James
Yeah, it was rude. And I don't need experience.
I'm making that statement based on the sheer number of guys who went NA or turbo. Meaning- nobody does it- FOR A REASON.
Ever wonder why there are ZERO topics covering going performance NA? Hmmmmn?
I never recommend guys to slap a turbo kit on stock NA blocks- there are TOO MANY horror stories out there- don't want to see it repeated.

So what if a SMALL FEW guys have slapped on turbo kit and make XXX amount of power. Look at all the overwhelming amount of threads and real life firsthand info on this board- about turbo KA- :rolleyes:
You get my point- I really wish more guys would explore other avenues of performance- I'm only asking you to think why our cars are 5-14 years old and this technical info is not RIGHT IN YOUR FACE. Notice I have not said KA-T sucks or NA sucks- it can be done.

{flamesuit on}:D


oh i get it, you're trying to make a funny.

hah. hah.

there i laughed.

[andrave]

you chose to edit your first post so that my post seemed irrelevant, then posted back like ju owns me.
why?
whatever dude.

ka24 is still a fine engine to make power with, especially turboed.

[YellwMonky]

this thread WAS interesting... :rolleyes: oh well...:o

[Tyler Durdan]

Originally posted by James
You get my point- I really wish more guys would explore other avenues of performance.
{flamesuit on}:D

Like a pure no2 engine, methanol, or blower engine. That's a great venue to go after for all these guys who use the 240 as an everyday driver.

There are tons of reasons why 240 owners go ka n/a or ka-t for performance...search if you haven't read enough first hand on these forums. To flat out say the ka sucks for tuning either way is ignorant as hell.

Flamesuit left off...don't need one when I'm right.
:rolleyes:

[uuninja]

Originally posted by James
Yeah, it was rude.

After reading your posts supporting you initial statement I feel no regret for being rude to you. Your argument is puerly based on anecdotal evidence and conjecture.

And I don't need experience. I'm making that statement based on the sheer number of guys who went NA or turbo. Meaning- nobody does it- FOR A REASON.

Wow, you are hanging your point on the fact that YOU have not found lots of information on Turbo or NA KA setups, there for and I quote "KA sucks as a basis for NA or turbo".

Ever wonder why there are ZERO topics covering going performance NA? Hmmmmn?


ZERO threads huh?
I found over 400 simply by searching zilvia for ka-t. http://www.zilvia.net/f/search.php?s=&action=showresults&searchid=39687&sortby=lastpost&sortorder=descending
Another 97 http://www.zilvia.net/f/search.php?s=&action=showresults&searchid=39693&sortby=lastpost&sortorder=descending for "Normally aspirated".
Here are several hundred more from Freshalloy. http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/dosearch.php?Cat=&Forum=UBB9&Words=KA%20turbo&Match=And&Searchpage=1&Limit=25&Old=allposts
And more still on NA KA's http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/dosearch.php?Cat=&Forum=UBB9&Words=normally%20aspirated&Match=And&Searchpage=1&Limit=25&Old=allposts
So is it that there aren't any posts or are you just to lazy to use the search function? I will assume that you meant to say KA turbo and NA since you seem to be bashing both.


I never recommend guys to slap a turbo kit on stock NA blocks-

I am still not sure why anyone would want your opinion. You seem to have no knowledge other than what you have read on the internet. Anyone whom you are giving advice to would be better off using the search function, than have you regurgitate misquoted information. Odds are they would be better at using the search function than you as well.


there are TOO MANY horror stories out there- don't want to see it repeated

So first there are ZERO posts now there are "TOO MANY horror stories"? Which is it? Make up your mind.

So what if a SMALL FEW guys have slapped on turbo kit and make XXX amount of power.

Right because any evidence that contradicts your argument should be ignored :rolleyes:.


Look at all the overwhelming amount of threads and real life firsthand info on this board- about turbo KA- :rolleyes:


Again, you previously said that there was a lack of info on either KA-T or NA setups. Now that void has become overwhelming?

You get my point-

No, as yet you have not backed up a single point of yours.

I really wish more guys would explore other avenues of performance-

As long as they are not KA-T or NA KA projects. Yeah I can really see that you are open to new and different ideas. Or in the case KA turbo and NA setups, old and proven ideas.

I'm only asking you to think why our cars are 5-14 years old and this technical info is not RIGHT IN YOUR FACE.

Again because YOU have not found lots of information about KA's dose not mean that everyone is as ignorant.

Notice I have not said KA-T sucks or NA sucks- it can be done.

Yeah actually you did.
Originally posted by James
KA sucks as a basis for NA or turbo- you're screwed either way


But you have already shown us that you are not keen on reading posts, even your own.

The fact remains that tuned NA KA's are still more numerous than SRs or KA-Ts by far. Bolt on NA combo's were discussed and sorted out back when few were going KA-T or SR. This stuff is well known documented and easy to find. Dare I draw a conclusion for a moment in your argument. Your dislike of NA KA's seems to boil down to the fact that they typically produce under 200hp. And that tuning a KA to produce over 200hp is quite costly. In that you fail to take in to account the following.

Not everyone wants the added hassle, expense or maintenance of a turbo car, KA or SR.
Some actually race their cars and are required by class rules to retain the OE motor.
HP is not the be all end all measure of success in a project.


Dose this mean that owners of NA KA's should be any less proud of their cars? No. Blanket statements like yours serve no purpose. Don't pretend for a second that you are being helpful to anyone.

You think that because you have you read a few posts and hung around the boards for a while you have a clue. Your inability to back your first statement with anything resembling evidence says otherwise.

You are right about one thing, you don't need any experience to spout off hearsay and conjecture. However don't for a second think that the fact that you ARE talking out of your *** is not obvious.

{flamesuit on}:D

You can take it off now, I'm through with you. :rolleyes: ...for now.

[HachiMachi]

wow, uuninja pretty much put it down with that post, uuninja
your rationale is rock solid. Lets just say this, whether you go ka, na, sr, or whatever it all depends on your application. Remeber all the motors have their bad and good sides.
;)

[YellwMonky]

haha i didn't want to contribute but....James, you got owned. :D

[West]

Master WeST cannot be logged out of the forum, so I, S13Grl must post on his log-in. I don't know why... the stupid forum just won't log him out when I want it to. Clearing cookies takes too much hand movement. In any case...

Anyone remember Fatman Racing? He topped out at 170rwhp N/A and spent lots of money on his car. Here's a site with some pics and the dyno run http://ffdet.com/members/rich/Nissan/Old_S14.htm.

P.S. Don't get yourself banned, certain someone who promised not to act like a prick and **** everyone off.


Sincerely Yours,


S13Grl

[whiteEFhatch]

Trigger happy S13Grl = this is James, lol http://www3.sympatico.ca/travischan/PUB/finger.gif
my replies in this thread -> hardly equal a ban- but oh well.

uuninja- you have proved nothing- except that:
1. you have alot of time on your hands
2. know how to make generalizations
3. like to read in between the lines.

Your reply is blown WAY out of proportion. It doesn't say anything- there is no substance to it = hardly worth replying to.

You feel the need to counter EVERY POINT- looks like someone has a small wee wee to go overboard like that :p
But you got me on saying the KA sucks (it does) - that was good!
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I would LOVE to discuss/explore options for the KA with you guys if you can stop acting like 3rd graders. (I'll admit to lowering myself to andraves level- he started it :p )
hehe, ok, final apology for everything- you want to discuss...we can make this a pretty good thread. You want to argue and call names and not learn anything.......just keep acting like you are.

[SilviaDriver]

Originally posted by YellwMonky
haha i didn't want to contribute but....James, you got owned. :D

im gonna have to agree.

uuninja: very Very nice post.

[YellwMonky]

Originally posted by whiteEFhatch
You want to argue and call names and not learn anything.......just keep acting like you are.

James, I would take a dose of your own medicine...

anyway, i would just like to know the reasoning behind your statement "KA sucks as a basis for NA or turbo" I've seen a few people on this forum putting up some pretty impressive numbers with a KA+T. Just saying, "the KA sucks," is pretty general. WHY does the KA+T suck as a basis for NA or turbo?

Also, you later say, "I never recommend guys to slap a turbo kit on stock NA blocks- there are TOO MANY horror stories out there." could you tell me WHAT the horror stories are? My friend used to have the FMAX Stage II turbo kit on his s14a. Not too much later, his turbo manifold cracked. Is this the kind of horror story you're talking about?

I'm not trying to be a smart *** so please don't get defensive. I'm one of those people who are still gathering information to make a decision between eventually going SR or going KA+T.

[whiteEFhatch]

Ok, cool- let's discuss. Maybe we'll all learn a little something- I am not a know-it-all.

Now to start things off- we all have our opinions and are entitled to them- alot of what we'll talk about is personal preference- it's really not cool to call someone an asshole for how they feel or what they think. Let's discuss and debate with our brains- no more name calling- and this thread should get pretty informative- try it- you'll be surprised.
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Y'know what I've got to get up extra early tomorrow- gotta cut this short- let's see if this username isn't banned by tomorrow. :p
But I look forward to actually having a good tech discussion on Zilvia for once, take it easy guys.

[Halz]

nasport GT3 folk are getting upwards of 260hp from a KA24E.. keeping away from very name brands, and being some-what resourceful, I don't think over 200 would cost a hell of a lot.. still, 'performance to the dollar' nowhere near a very well sorted out turbo setup.. but thats not this discussion

[uuninja]

Originally posted by whiteEFhatch

You feel the need to counter EVERY POINT- looks like someone has a small wee wee to go overboard like that :p
But you got me on saying the KA sucks (it does) - that was good!
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I would LOVE to discuss/explore options for the KA with you guys if you can stop acting like 3rd graders. (I'll admit to lowering myself to andraves level- he started it :p )
hehe, ok, final apology for everything- you want to discuss...we can make this a pretty good thread. You want to argue and call names and not learn anything.......just keep acting like you are. [/B]


So you want people to stop calling you names (which I never did).....but you come back with "some one has a small we we". Yeah I can see you are hear to have a real discussion. There is not much to explore or discuss in this topic.

A. The "what will bold ons get me in HP" question is a dead horse. There is plenty of info out there.
B. You clearly don't know when to shut up. I doubt this was your first run in with s13girl.
C. You have nothing of value to say in this topic. Everyone else seems to see it why don't you?
D. I don't think anyone cares what you think sucks, because you don't provide any useful info to back your claims.

Clearly you are not mature enough to have a conversation with out resorting to personal attacks. You are the one acting like a "3rd grader". Grow up!

Mods Please lock this mess.

[S13Grl]

James, just **** off now. Seriously dude. Thanks for the bull**** talk that you gave me some months ago when you ****ed TNord off. Trigger-happy? Get a clue, man. You're 10 years older then the majority of this forum, yet you act like the biggest idiot here. You can make as many new names as you want, but rest assured that I will personally see to the fact that every one of them is deleted. This one thread? Please!!!! Haha! That's the funniest crap I've heard in forever. I'm sick of your ****ing people off. Everyone's sick of it. So just do yourself a favor and don't post here anymore, you're too big of a jackass with no social skills, go watch TV or something. Go tell everyone how clueless and idiotic everyone here is for following a forum. Haha! **** off now. I feel like **** for not telling you to do that months ago when everyone else suggested it.

[DuffMan]

EVERYBODY SIMMMAH DON NAH!

[West]

Ok Topic Closed.

[uuninja]

lol what happeded the thread was locked? :D Something tells me that this is just going to go on and on...I am out of this. I made my point :o

[S13Grl]

Originally posted by WeST
Ok Topic Closed.

No, baby. I wanna see if the ex-member has anything to say...